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March 28, 2007 at 21:50:23

Breaking my silence on 9/11 Truth

by John Kusumi     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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Initially I preferred to keep silent about the 9/11 Truth Movement, to not be diverted from my issue. I've been associated with the China Support Network, being its founder, and in recent years, I give my speeches in that vein exclusively. That means, I have a cause and I don't need a spare cause, nor a soapbox, nor a reason to be known in the public discourse, where I've contributed since 1980. My 9/11 article is written, not oral; in any public appearance, I remain on the China issue. The article is volunteered and not sponsored; I simply think it fair to have the question, "What happened on 9/11?", and to have the indicated investigation that is genuine and impartial, rather than a whitewash. Read on, to where I suggest a role for Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Recently, Rosie O'Donnell raised the issue of 9/11 Truth, questioning how one or more of the buildings fell in New York City on September 11, 2001. Also, actor Charlie Sheen has come out with his own questions and concerns about what happened that day, and we've learned that he will narrate an updated version of Loose Change, a documentary that questions the official story of 9/11. This led to mentions on television by Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck, top conservative commentators who seem to have replaced George Will and Bob Novak. (Note to youngsters: The latter were leading conservative commentators in the post-Watergate period. What's Watergate? Check Wikipedia.)

I cannot be counted a fanatic on the issue of 9/11 truth. I do my share of writing, publishing, and speaking; and, but for one related blog post, this is my first article on the subject. The standard that I would like to uphold is truth, period -- something that all should care about, and that journalists in particular should be finicky to discern and record accurately. The field of journalism at least bills itself to be concerned about non-fiction and a first draft of history. I believe that non-fiction and truth are synonyms, and that to sweat these details ought to be right up the alley of U.S. journalists.

Imagine if you will a bumper sticker that says: "Pearl Harbor: Roosevelt Knew." In the 1940s, there were many very staunch, patriotic citizens, who likely had full faith in their President Roosevelt (FDR) and for whom our hypothetical bumper sticker may hurt, or sting deeply. The sticker could be rejected on the simple basis that it is alien to the world view, held by those observers, of FDR as an upright and above-board U.S. President. More recent research, however, has convinced many historians that the sticker is indeed accurate. I believe that even our mainstream commentators have allowed the same, so that we now have an accepted view of history, to wit that Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor. If so, then the truth behind Pearl Harbor becomes LIHOP -- Let It Happen On Purpose.

The above paragraph does NOT prove anything about 9/11. If people make bumper stickers saying, "9/11: Bush Knew," then they still must make their case. For those who assert provocatively, there is an onus or a burden of proof. Words are not "more true" on a bumper sticker, and "less true" elsewhere. The standard of proof is not in the placement of the words. However, I believe and would stand behind a bumper sticker that said: "Tiananmen Square: Bush Knew." (That refers to the elder President Bush, who gave a nod and a wink to Chinese leaders before their troops went to Tiananmen Square. Chinese leaders MIHOP -- Made It Happen On Purpose.)

For those who are toying with the possibilities, alternate explanations for 9/11 include (a.) "we were surprised -- they got one by us (totally innocent);" (b.) "we were warned, but we failed to connect the dots (totally incompetent);" (c.) LIHOP (partial inside job, partially sinister); and (d.) MIHOP (an inside job, totally sinister). The official explanation has already migrated, since the early days, from (a.) to (b.). Perhaps one reason why I've avoided 9/11 Truth as a topic is due to its parallel with rejecting the "Roosevelt knew of Pearl Harbor" thought, as above. Explanations (c.) and (d.) for 9/11 entail the culpability of someone in our own government. It is alien to the world view that the U.S. Government protects Americans. In this case, Americans were harmed by perpetrators who were clearly evil, and it is harsh -- indeed anguishing -- to contemplate the case if it were that the hand of evil was partly domestic. Culpability within our own government would make 9/11 the crime of the century.

I will not take up the job of re-iterating the case that's been made by the 9/11 Truth Movement. But, increasing numbers of questions have been uncovered, and the awareness of prior warnings, given to the U.S. government in advance, has increased. The number of warnings reported has risen since the early days -- the immediate aftermath of 9/11. This means that we know more now, than previously. For brevity, I'd care to focus on three points that I'll call, "Tip-off #1, Tip-off #2, and The Nub Of The Matter."

To me, Tip-off #1 is a point that I earlier blogged: "It seems ridiculously implausible that the FBI tracked down 19 mug shots of 19 hijackers, and got that to the news media the same day as the attacks! Again, without inside knowledge, but with general awareness of the working world, how it goes, and what's plausible -- I look at that, and I say to myself, 'prepared slide.'" Each airplane had more than five passengers. Full investigation took less than a day, and the FBI knew precisely who among the passengers was "in" and "out" of the conspiracy. This was reported with certitude the same day, and the official slide with the 19 men remains an enduring memory, seared in there without additions or deletions. (Where we might have expected a developing story, the slide did not change, although some of the hijackers were reported to be alive and well, still living in the Middle East.) The mere fact that the FBI had those 19 mug shots "tips off" their prior familiarity with these men.

Tip-off #2 is a recent point. In late February, 2007, the 9/11 Truth Movement released BBC video from 9/11, in which the BBC reported that building seven had collapsed IN ADVANCE. That is to say that the building was still standing while the BBC reported the demise of the building. The timing of their story was off. Half an hour later, the building came down and "got on the page." It seems that Aaron Brown over at CNN made a similar report, that the building was toast before it was in fact toast. 9/11 was certainly a day of "on the ground" events happening. But Tip-offs #1 and #2 each strongly suggest that 9/11 was also a day of news being spoonfed by the media. The early report of building seven collapsing (at BBC and CNN) was not from eyewitnesses on the ground. The faulty information had to come from somewhere (A prepared plan? A press release?) other than eyeballs on the scene. Where did the media get this information, and who was spoonfeeding it to them?

Let's move to the nub of the matter. Many in the 9/11 Truth Movement are screaming that controlled demolition brought the buildings down. The original designs and plans for the World Trade Center were meant to withstand a jetliner impact, although we can admit that the designs probably contemplated earlier planes and less jet fuel. Hence, I believe that the towers natively would have withstood impact from a circa 1970 Boeing 737, and that the real difference in the case of 9/11 was "all that jet fuel." The official explanation of 9/11 hinges on the idea that "all that jet fuel" brought the towers down. (And, in my view, the official explanation cannot explain the fall of building seven, which did not even have an airplane impact.)

What's true is this: jet fuel has a particular temperature at which it burns, and steel has a particular temperature at which it melts. These are empirically measurable, so there need not be different melting points for liberals, conservatives, mainstreamers, and "loony wack job internet conspiracy theorists." It is America's chronically-lame news media that is so quick to be so judgmental -- or at least, it was Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck who, on their shows, seemed to circle the wagons for "mainstream thinking" -- at the expense of others, who were the recipients for name-calling and ad hominem attacks. (Note to youngsters: Ad hominem or "to the man" attacks never prove anything. If person A says that "X is true," and then person B says "Yah well, A is a Communist," that does not prove that X is false. X will be true or false, independently of whether A is a Communist. Even Communists can say true things --so really, personal details about A are irrelevant to X.)

In their recent televised statements, O'Reilly and Beck "took sides," fulfilling their (God-given? Bush-given?) roles as defenders of "official truth." And, it seems to me, this taking of sides was in the absence of kicking the tires or full investigation. (An entire separate article could be made with the reservations about the 9/11 Commission.) If we actually cared to get to the bottom of 9/11, I believe that we would measure the temperature of burning jet fuel, and the melting point of structural steel. I've never done it personally, so perhaps I could still join Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck -- I do not know the outcome of the test that I propose. (Are there published specifications that state these two temperatures? Yes, but the 9/11 Truth Movement is where arguments have broken out over empirical data. One side or the other might warn me against trusting a high school chemistry book, so I am now too skeptical for any approach that cannot "show me." It remains true, for me, that seeing is believing.)

I want to see a test in which they try to melt steel with jet fuel. While I personally lack a handy supply of either, there are 50 State Governors who could order their National Guard to undertake this test (and, if Fox and CNN want to save their credibility, they could fund this test). A vat of jet fuel should be prepared, perhaps sunken into the ground as in a foundation or a back yard swimming pool. A steel girder meeting the same specifications as WTC columns should be placed across this vat. I don't require a re-creation of the towers; just one girder. For good measure, one could place a heavy weight like a wrecking ball atop the girder. Then simply ignite the vat and let the jet fuel burn. Show me that jet fuel can melt steel. Here, I have devolved the case to a test of an empirical nature with a boolean outcome: the test either will, or will not, melt the steel. If it will, then I will be more ready to believe the official story. If it will not, then "Houston, we have a problem," and a full explanation of 9/11 must then involve more effort to bring down the towers; more than merely the thought of letting the jet fuel burn to do its thing.

What's notable about America's news media has been its LACK of inquiry, curiosity, and skepticism. As one of the biggest atrocities against Americans on our own soil, 9/11 should logically be the MOST deserving of investigation, skepticism, and critical inquiry. O'Reilly and Beck share that "oh so certain" quality of the suave, sophisticated media announcers who read the news from Easy Street, while truth-seekers are derided for being "out of the mainstream." How sure are they, really? How will they react to my proposal of this test? Are they just smoothies who are putting one past the public? This test could tell us the answer, and for one more requirement: --I want it to be Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck who presses the button to ignite the jet fuel. Either the girder, or their credibility, will become toast.

 

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John Kusumi ran independently for U.S. President in 1984, as the teenager going up against Ronald Reagan and Walter Mondale. He was the first Generation X politician in U.S. federal elections, and Ronald Reagan's youngest political opponent ever. In 1989 Kusumi launched the China Support Network, a grassroots organization of Americans supporting the Chinese democracy movement - amid outpouring of response to the massacre of college students and other civilians in and around Tiananmen Square. In 1994 Kusumi launched Xcalibur Development Co., incorporated in 1995 as XDC, Inc. The firm creates software and technical services, generally in the B2B (business-to-business) space of contracting and specialized consulting, with a Fortune 500 clientele.

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Design Engineer - 19 years
Simon HoltDesign Engineer - 19 years

Your recent posting on WTC 7

I've been a follower of events since around 2004 when I visited NY to see the WTC site for myself. I consider myself balanced in my opinions and reasonably well versed in the available information regarding the events of and since that day. I would just like to say that I enjoyed reading your article very much, you have articulated the core issue surrounding 9/11 and I long for an official response. Please keep up the good work.

Regards
Simon

by Simon Holt (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 at 10:30:07 PM
 


American against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.
Dom JermanoAmerican against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.

WTC

Thanks for your article. I was hoping this was an article from someone who had knowledge of 911 and was working for the Bush people at the time. I personally think it was the Biggest Bank robbery in US History. Over 30 billion is still missing. I really think they made an error because they were planning to hit the S. Tower 1st, then hit the N. Tower. However the evidence recordings show the N. Tower being hit first, but actually appearing like it could have been a mistake; because it did not go into the building at its center. The reason I bring this up is because the N. Tower was burning more than 30 minutes before the 2nd plane hit the S. Tower. Yet the S. Tower collapsed first, even though the N. Tower later to follow.

This in my opinion proves the jet fuel did not cause the collapse. Preset explosives caused it, and when the 2nd Tower was hit; I believe the crew behind it, were inside building WTC7. They detonated the S. Tower. The S. Tower is key because that is where the money vaults were located.  Actually Building 5 sits right next to the S. Tower where tunnels connect to Building 4 . They needed to bring down the S. Tower sooner to make sure exits where clear. If they were clear they would go on with the heist. In fact I think this whole operation was a look and see what happens event. Whatever happened they would benefit from it, except they needed to be ready for the gravy train. They wanted the money, they wanted to use 911 as an excuse to wage war, and they wanted to destroy court evidence of impending trials. They did not care about the people. When they saw the exits were clear, they had a tractor trailer in the tunnel load up the money, drive it from building 5 up to building 7 where they unloaded into cars or fake ambulances whatever; coveringup gold on a stretcher to make it seem like a dead person, and made the get away. Unfortunately they didn't get all of the money. According to Guiliani they recovered about 250 million, probably because the cars they used could not hold anymore. Then WTC7 was pulled by Larry Silverstein, whom I also believe is a paramount suspect along with Rudy. 

These boys accomplished the impossible if you think about it. I only wonder why Democrats in charge do not offer some type of rewards for people who saw anything such as witnesses, or even people who were involved with the security of the buildings? Maybe the getaway drivers did not get more than they thought. Democrats could offer awards of up to 100 billion dollars for the arrest and conviction of George Bush's syndicate operation, for testimonies against them.  We all know they are bringing forth phoney suspects whom are now admiting it for them. All I know is if they are part of the CIA, then we need our own secret intelligence , that will counter check them on a wide scale of crimes.  Certainly they have no right to stop us; and now that 911 has happened is more the reason to setup a counter CIA intelligence department.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 7:00:34 AM
 


Christian tired of republican lies and smear campaigns.
lucydavisChristian tired of republican lies and smear campaigns.

9/11 Cover-Up

9/11 cover-up

Wouldn't it blow this administration apart if the actual truth came out about their 9/11 production??? Just think, Rudy G. would go up in smoke, rather than being a front runner for his presidential aspirations. I hate to think what Bush and Co. will do to put an end to this website. It is already fascinating to listen to the media ridicule Rosie. Too bad the media isn't interested (or allowed) to participate in the revealing of what this administration actually did, in order to get the American people to back the attack on a country that had absolutely nothing to do with the 3,000 deaths. Handing out the millions of dollars to everyone who had lost family members, was an extremely clever way of stopping what should have been an extensive investigation of what had actually happened. Interesting how few people are aware of the third building that collapsed eight hours after the first two, even though it hadn't been touched by a plane. It was the one that contained Rudy G.'s command center. Also, how few know of the doctrine written years before Bush was actually placed in the White House, planning the attacks on the oil-producing nations, and figuring how to implement either "Option one, or Option two" - depending on what excuse came up to attack these countries. They say ignorance is bliss, but in this case - ignorance is criminal.

by lucydavis

by lucydavis (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 88 comments) on Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 8:39:41 AM
 


Bill Cain is a professional travel photo-journalist who writes primarily for the Concord Monitor in Concord, New Hampshire. He's visited all seven continents, countless countries and his travel experiences have contributed to and are reflected in his world views.
Bill CainBill Cain is a professional travel photo-journalist who writes primarily for the Concord Monitor in Concord, New Hampshire. He's visited all seven continents, countless countries and his travel experiences have contributed to and are reflected in his world views.

9-11 Cover-up

The 9-11 crime is going to stand until someone figures out a way to blow it through the roof of the controlled corporate mainstream media.

For those still looking for "proof" of the 9-11 crime being perpetrated by the US government, stop kidding yourselves. Beyond one's own personal experience in life, there is no such thing thing as "proof" of anything - only evidence. We accept or reject evidence based on trust of the messenger. There is a mountain of overwhelming evidence that 9-11 was an inside job. It comes down to who you trust - the government which has shown repeatedly to lie, or countless others who have exposed this evidence and are asking for it to be critically examined, and conclusions drawn?

by Bill Cain (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 287 comments) on Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 10:43:18 AM
 


The author lives in a small village in central Europe and has been active in the local workers movement for nearly 3 decades.

Globalism knows no borders, why should we ?

Tony ForestThe author lives in a small village in central Europe and has been active in the local workers movement for nearly 3 decades.

Globalism knows no borders, why should we ?

British Steel

Not that this test proves or disproves anything :

click here the one who uploaded the video : "the conclusion was that office fires could NOT melt steel, only soften or "sag". and kerosene (jet fuel) fires do the same."

Didn't most of the kerosene go up in flames within the first minute following impact ? As for the collapsings, a professional demolition team couldn't have done it any better....more likely not as good. As tall as the towers were, one could expect them to fall quite a bit to the side. But wait a sec.....that would have damaged the bath tub. Not good for Manhatten.  

Thanks for breaking your silence, John.  

 

 

by Tony Forest (6 articles, 15 quicklinks, 153 diaries, 1354 comments) on Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 12:22:04 PM
 


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Families Of 9/11 Bombings Accuse New York City Of Losing Remains

Saturday, March 24, 2007; Posted: 02:47 AM

(RTTNews) - Family lawyers of those killed in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in September 2001, alleged in court documents the New York city forced workers cleaning up the site to use shortcuts that may have caused human remains to be lost forever.

Affidavits from four people who participated in the recovery efforts at the Fresh Kills Refuse Site have been relied in part in the documents filed Friday in US District Court.

Among the plaintiffs who filed the case against the city in 2005 include World Trade Center Families for Proper Burial, a group of about 1,000 families who believe their relatives' remains are at Fresh Kills.

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http://vdare.com/roberts/070326_evidence.htm
March 26, 2007
9/11 and the Evidence
By Paul Craig Roberts

Professor David Ray Griffin is the nemesis of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. In his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Griffin destroys the credibility of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics reports, annihilates his critics, and proves himself to be a better scientist and engineer than the defenders of the official story.

Griffin’s book is 385 pages divided into four chapters and containing 1,209 footnotes. Without question, the book is the most thorough presentation and examination of all known facts about the 9/11 attacks. Griffin is a person who is sensitive to evidence, logic, and scientific reasoning. There is no counterpart on the official side of the story who is as fully informed on all aspects of the attacks as Griffin.

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Protest 911 on April 15th: Great Idea
All like minded individuals,

No matter what your cause, I think that all of us can agree that we want our voices heard. It is time to get creative! I propose the following and encourage all of you to post this on your websites and spread the word. With mass participation We the People can send a message that cannot be denied or ignored.

Here is what I propose....

1) Start saving all of your junk mail (credit card applications, insurance applications, mass flyers etc.)

2) Write or stamp "Return to Sender" on all the envelopes. Write a message somewhere on the junk mail like "911 was an inside job" or "I demand a new 911 investigation" etc.

3) On April 15th, mail ALL of the junk mail back to the senders.

Since most people wait till the last minute to send out their taxes, the post offices will be flooded....

So I urge you, PLEASE be a part of this and spread the word. Regardless of your cause, WE need to be heard!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!

Lindsey

Q U E S T I O N :  doesn't "return to sender" only work on 1st class mail?
i.e. not junk mail, which is pre-sorted bulk crap...

A N S W E R :  One could ask the post office.
     But any enclosed "reply envelopes" could be simply mailed. The postage would come off of the business's bulk mail postage account at the post office. (This would be especially nice for in-denial and left-gatekeeper organizations such as the DNC, The Nation, In These Times, The Progressive; as well as any MSM subscription ads, cable ads, etc.,etc.)

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     Jumping on The 9/11 Smoking Gun Bandwagon

"....email response to my concerned friend:
Whereas you may believe my long hauling email
campaign, my website, the videos and protests are simply a lost cause, a waxing, waning and hollow search for love and generosity in my sad, lonely, and spiritless world; I feel just the opposite.

"If I didn't pursue 911 Truth and spread the Truth to as many people as possible, I wouldn't be pursuing justice when I have a clear opportunity to do so. For me, that would be the far worst thing I could do for my soul. But perhaps as important as my soul, I'm also seriously motivated for 911 Truth in order to preserve my butt, my life, and the life of those around me who I care about.

"911 is a dead serious issue. Allowing whoever carried
out the murder of nearly 3000 people to get away with
it is an invitation for them to do it again and again,
and likely worse and worse. I simply cannot tolerate
that. But in that regard, I guess I'm not that
special, in fact, pretty typical. There is a popular
and fast growing 911 Truth Movement. Everyone
involved is interested in the same thing - Justice.
It's made up from loads of people from all walks of
life and from all around the globe. It's already
pretty large and getting larger by the day. There are also many government and military officials already involved with the struggle of getting the message out over the monopolized mainstream media outlets...."

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It did. Her name was Sibel Edmonds. This is her story, as she told it to me. Edmonds discusses what she knows, whom it implicates, and what she's been through and what hope there is in the new Congress to start an investigation:    http://www.democrats.com/node/12260

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   I'm a hillbilly from Arkansas who might know a thing or two...then again, I might be crazy. You be the judge.     
Jeremias X   I'm a hillbilly from Arkansas who might know a thing or two...then again, I might be crazy. You be the judge.     

We Should Take Another LOOK

I have a few thoughts on this...and I enjoyed YOUR post thoroughly.

click here that "whole seperate post on 9/11 commission omissions/screwups you alluded too...I reposted this from another site but it's SO GOOD.

click here

by Jeremias X (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 10:52:11 PM
 


Student of the humanities and writer.
MEO SullivanStudent of the humanities and writer.

st911.org

The steel did not need to melt to comprimise its integrity. It did not even get hot enough for long enough to do that. The planes were not fully fueled nor were they at their maximum weight nor were they travelling their maximum speed. You should visit st911.org. There are a lot of papers written by scientists that explain thier case.

by MEO Sullivan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, April 5, 2007 at 11:38:59 AM
 

 

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