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January 17, 2008 at 06:45:53

False Gods Create False Hope

by Joel S. Hirschhorn     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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The good news is the huge pent up public demand for political change.  The bad news is that presidential candidates have made a mockery of the concept of change while ignoring true political reforms.  Missing are details about fixing the corrupt, dysfunctional political system and restoring balance among the three branches of government and between the states and the federal government.

 

So what kind of change do people want?  The Wall Street Journal-NBC News survey last month of both Democrats and Republicans found 24 percent of voters favor “small adjustments” in America, 29 percent want “moderate corrections,” but 46 percent thankfully seek “major reforms” and a “brand-new” approach.

 

When people rally behind false change agents something worse than being disappointed and having their hopes killed happens: the national energy for real change is wasted.  In the end, false change agents protect the status quo political establishment.  Hope is replaced by despair for disaffected anti-establishment masses.  The worst false change agent is Ron Paul.

 

An early sign of trouble was that Paul supporters seemed to worship him as if he is the long-awaited savior for America, akin to one of our Founding Fathers.  In their writing and behavior they seem like members of a cult, not thoughtful political activists open to new information.  They don’t appreciate the need to have disagreements without being disagreeable.  Though their hero speaks of persuasion, his supporters express obnoxious in-your-face anger, disparagement, and intimidation.  They show disdain for others that want major political change but do not support Paul.

 

For years before he became a Republican presidential candidate I had admired Paul for his maverick behavior in Congress and had a very pleasant meeting with him.  But I had doubts about most of his policy goals, and his use of pork spending earmarks to get billions of dollars for his district was troubling.  Paul remains a change talker, not a change agent.

 

The more I examined what he wanted to do as president the more he looked like the emperor with no clothes.  He never produced detailed plans on how he would use new legislation, presidential actions or constitutional amendments.  This is especially important for his drastic changes, such as eliminating much of the federal government and putting the country’s currency back on the gold standard.  His supporters never seem to demand details.  Paul and his supporters exhibit therapeutic activism: activism that makes them feel good but lacks details necessary to convince others.

 

Yes, I have advocated a Second American Revolution and Paul’s supporters also want a revolution.  But a revolution requires leaders that can communicate so effectively with diverse Americans that massive public support results.  Paul and his supporters give freedom their highest priority, but do not welcome the exercise of freedom by Americans to reject their beliefs.  As Gary Wood, a Paul supporter correctly observed: “You will create more damage to our cause than good if you continue to spew hatred and poisonous venom rather than reason and kindness. Threats and nasty vile hatred will not spread our message; only detract from the importance of liberty and freedom.”

 

Paul, the professed champion of the Constitution, brings it up in virtually every public statement and claims to believe in a strict reading of it.  But he refuses to honor what is in Article V: the option the Founders gave us to have state delegates in a convention consider proposals for constitutional amendments.  The one and only numeric requirement in Article V has been more than satisfied, as explained at www.foavc.org.  Yet Paul has not demanded that members of Congress obey Article V and their oath of office to obey the Constitution.  This is no trivial matter.

 

You would think he would honor the purpose of the Article V convention option: a way to circumvent an ineffective federal government and restore balance between it and the states.  Paul should use his candidacy to make a public commitment to get the nation’s first Article V convention.  That would be revolutionary.

 

Nor has Paul not forcefully criticized the two-party stranglehold on the political system, despite once losing as a Libertarian Party presidential candidate pushing the same policy ideas.  Nor has he clamored for the impeachment of George W. Bush, whose foreign policies contradict Paul’s isolationist beliefs.  No reason for Paul to be concerned about Bush supporters, only 4 percent of Republicans support Paul.  And thankfully, citizens in Iowa, Wyoming, New Hampshire (a Libertarian stronghold), and now Michigan have not succumbed to Paul’s demonology. Despite having considerable money Paul has won no delegates.

 

Whether other candidates are true reformers remains doubtful.  Obama’s glib talk of more bipartisanship smacks of protecting the status quo political establishment.  Huckabee’s religiosity and Romney’s automaton personality are plain frightening, as are McCain’s and Giuliani’s bellicose beliefs.  Edwards looks like the real thing, but like Kucinich has been out spent by Obama and the ever phony Clinton whose change priority is moving back into the White House.

 

Like others, I want Mike Bloomberg to enter the race as an independent candidate, if only to mount a serious attack on the two-party stranglehold on our political system.

 

www.delusionaldemocracy.com

Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments. He is Chair of the Independent Party of Maryland.

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Rev. Robert VinciguerraFounder of "The Rev. Rob Times," (www.revrob.com) Rev. Robert A. Vinciguerra has been a longtime student of journalism. Currently, he holds a government job where is a technical writer, instructional designer, and an IT trainer. From Phoenix, Arizona.

Re: Article V

The Constitution is clear that two thirds of state legislatures are needed to call a convention.

If you think you want that to happen, you better think again, real fast. We're likely to end up with a whole new Constitution, no bill of rights, and an article commanding that the United States is a Christian state where poor church atendance is punishable by prision, or worse.

That's not something that you want to happen.

by Rev. Robert Vinciguerra (32 articles, 5 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 50 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 10:19:39 AM
 


Liberal (in favor of liberty) and one who understands that gov.org is not our freind. Former Republican who got sickened when Nixon imposed wage and price controls. Now I only vote for those who promise to make government smaller, not for those who say they want it to grow at a slower pace (GOP candidates)
Mark BennettLiberal (in favor of liberty) and one who understands that gov.org is not our freind. Former Republican who got sickened when Nixon imposed wage and price controls. Now I only vote for those who promise to make government smaller, not for those who say they want it to grow at a slower pace (GOP candidates)

No thank you sir.

I do not believe that Mr. Hirschhorn is much of a “big-picture” kind of fellow. I do not believe he understands human nature and strategy.

Despite the fact that the constitution does allow for constitutional conventions, I believe that having one at this time, when the USA has been so “democraticized” and the electorate so profoundly ignorant and so few of its citizens being descended from people who fought in the American Revolution, that the constitution as we know it, would cease to exist and we would become just another socialist nightmare country where we elect our oppressors.

No thank you Mr. Hirschhorn.

I do not know how hold Mr. Hirschhorn is. Perhaps he simply needs to have more life experiences in order to understand how the world works.

by Mark Bennett (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 47 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 10:59:20 AM
 


I am among a growing number of advocates of the work of he whos pen name is Joseph J. Adamson. I try to spread the word about it because I believe he has the most reasonable and practical solutions for our time, particularly to address religious and political conflicts. Whether or not he is divinely inspired and even called and chosen by God for this mission, as he claims, is not as important to me as the content and intent of his message. He truly seeks to establish a true family of religions t...

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Isaiah TrumanI am among a growing number of advocates of the work of he whos pen name is Joseph J. Adamson. I try to spread the word about it because I believe he has the most reasonable and practical solutions for our time, particularly to address religious and political conflicts. Whether or not he is divinely inspired and even called and chosen by God for this mission, as he claims, is not as important to me as the content and intent of his message. He truly seeks to establish a true family of religions t...

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If you want real change...

 Even though many people believe that any of the democratic candidates would be a great improvement over Republican rule, and even though that IS true, the fact of the matter is that Democrats are merely the "lesser of two evils."

Another fact is that 80 percent of the financial funding for the campaigns of presidential candidates from BOTH parties is provided by the wealthiest one percent of the population.

That is why I believe in and advocate the change and solution suggested by the author of this web site:

http://reformationcomingsoon.bravehost.com

 

by Isaiah Truman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 11:41:14 AM
 


I'm a 49 year old veteran of the USAF and owner of a national business & real estate development firm. While I consider myself a Constitutionist, I ran for Congress in 1996 on the Democratic ticket. I've been an "on again / off again" local and national grass-roots organizer for almost two decades. (I've tried to balance my business affairs with my duty to help preserve the Republic by trying to get the federal government back into its Constitutional box.
Dan DruckI'm a 49 year old veteran of the USAF and owner of a national business & real estate development firm. While I consider myself a Constitutionist, I ran for Congress in 1996 on the Democratic ticket. I've been an "on again / off again" local and national grass-roots organizer for almost two decades. (I've tried to balance my business affairs with my duty to help preserve the Republic by trying to get the federal government back into its Constitutional box.

Hirschhorn's personal agenda

Joel, I'll give you one thing... you certainly are persistent.  How many times does your assertion that Congress is ignoring more than 500 calls for a Con Con have to be exposed as erroneous?  How many negative responses do you have to get before you understand that people correctly see a Con Con as dangerous, unnecessary and ineffective at solving the problems our country faces? 

 

I bet if Ron Paul had embraced your pro Con Con position, you'd be sporting a Ron Paul T-shirt and canvassing like the Granny Warriors instead of writing goofy articles like this one.

If you chose to respond, try to keep your temper this time so the moderator won't have to censor you like they did the last time. 

by Dan Druck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 4:34:50 PM
 


I am a truck driver. I live in West Texas.
Joe AllenI am a truck driver. I live in West Texas.

me thinks he doth protest too much

Why Ron Paul is the only choice for me: 

Americans as a people are a group so diverse that it is hard to say what it is we have in common.

We don't all live near each other. We don't all have the same skin tones, we don't all share the same religion. So what is it exactly that makes us Americans? It's not where we are born or who our parents are, or even what language we speak. I believe that what makes us American is our mutual love, desire for, and defense of freedom.

There's not a whole lot of America left in the United Staes. There's not even much unity unless you call conformity "unity". In these times it has become controversial to say that, as long as we are not harming others, we should have the right to be left alone. The establishment thought police would have us believe that endless meddling in the lives of everybody everywhere is not only permissable by government, but obligatory. The state would also have us believe that the numerous and increasing encroachments on personal and national sovereignty visited upon us are in our best interest. I disagree.

I take the position that the jungle of Liberty, messy as it is, is preferable to guilded cage of the State. I agree with Thomas Paine when he said "government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one." History rightfully treats Paine as a hero and a patriot , but today those same sentiments get one labled a "radical" or a "kook." So be it. I will not surrender to the bovine conformity of the herd just to avoid the whips and cattle prods of those who think themselves our masters.

Ponder this: just a few years ago, a person could wakeup, turn on the light, use the john and go to work before ever even considering the government's role in his life. But now come back to the present and you are in a different world entirely. What if the stimulant you use to help you wake up is controlled or prohibited? What if the light you turn on is incandescent and not a compact flourescent? What if the toilet is five gallon flush? What if your job (such as nail painting or fortune telling) requires a licence that you don't have? You could be guilty of four crimes before ever punching the timeclock! God help you if you forgot your seatbelt or motorcycle helmet. So after you clock in, you work until about 11:00 to pay your income and social security taxes, buy a lunch and pay a sales tax on it, work until five or six to pay for your other obligations, get back in your car that you paid a registration tax on, burn gasoline you paid a fuel tax on, get to your house that you pay property tax on, go inside, turn on the TV and watch news coverage of the war your tax dollars pay for.

Yes, those people that we are bombing hate us for our freedom. :-(

by Joe Allen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 5:32:34 PM
 


I am a truck driver. I live in West Texas.
Joe AllenI am a truck driver. I live in West Texas.

Straw Man arguments all the way

Do you even know what Dr. Paul's platform really is?

Recipe for economic disaster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXIufIXPsYs

Do you want to know how to destroy the largest economy in the history of the world? it's easier that you might imagine. Here's the ingredients:

1. Fiat currency unbacked by a commodity

2. Fractional, not full reserve requirements of all banks

3. Intentional policy of constantly expanding money supply and therefor inflation

4. Deficit spending by government, corporations and individuals (debt)

Now that you have the ingredients, all you need is a catalyst to bring the whole thing down.

Such as:

1. Credit crunch caused by subprime mortgage market meltdown

2. Budget crunch caused by

a. babyboomers drawing social security/medicare/medicaid

b. a war on terrorism, drugs or poverty

 

It's a good thing we don't have conditions like that in America! Boy, that would be terrible. That would be just awful.

Can you imagine the misery that would bring?

by Joe Allen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 6:54:50 PM
 


"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord
Ingrid"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord

Joel

"In their writing and behavior they seem like members of a cult.... They don’t appreciate the need to have disagreements without being disagreeable."

Have you noticed that you are the one picking fights and slinging insults at Ron Paul's supporters every single time you write something?

It's ridiculous that you presume to teach anyone about decorum in political discussions.

by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 8:04:59 PM
 


As an MBA degreed populist and left libertarian, I foster what are genuine liberal or progressive views unlike what I find here from many authors and members presenting at best what are economic right views in NeoLiberalism [or NeoLibertarianism] on an alleged 'Liberal' web site...
AdnihiloAs an MBA degreed populist and left libertarian, I foster what are genuine liberal or progressive views unlike what I find here from many authors and members presenting at best what are economic right views in NeoLiberalism [or NeoLibertarianism] on an alleged 'Liberal' web site...

Calling the Kettle Black when our similar concerns be united

re. Ingrid responding to article author "they seem like members of a cult...." with: Have you noticed that you are the one picking fights and slinging insults at Ron Paul's supporters every single time you write something?

You appear to be calling the kettle black there Ingrid. The author's mention of the obvious cultish traits of Ron Paul supporters is not only the basis of his article but one found in many articles across the net. Mentioning empirical evidence he's noted on a personal level as have I, is hardly 'slinging insults' or picking fights'.

Joel has made some excellent points here that warns anyone who's concerned about the far right authoritarian Police State of our nation to beware of exactly what got us there to begin with. The Right Wing Authoritarian personality types [and disorder] found in all the religious right wingnuts offering cult-like support and worship of Bush as if he's some sort of Messiah.

Based on empirical evidence from reading so many comments by Paul's supporters, I've noticed a common thread to most all his constituency. First a very noticeable naivety about the political ideologies or orientation about yourselves as well as those of the very candidate you support. Secondly, absurd, literally buffoonish nonsense coming from so from Paulites like Kucinish is unfit because can't read, he's never read the constitution or "RON PAUL IS REALITY, DINNIS KUNCINICH IS A DREAMER"

To me at least, and it's not meant as an 'insult', but again based on empirical evidence from observation, the type of support given to Ron Paul by his constituency generally seems to be quite reminicent to lard ass Limbaugh's bobble-headed Dittoheads who supported Bush with similar idiotic fallacies in forum posts in days gone by...

However none of this matters in the least because the rigging of the elections has already begun to keep out anyone, Dem, Republican or otherwise who threatens the present day status quo. A status quo that any right leaning libertarian Paulite like any genuine left liberal libertarian such as myself needs to vehemently rally against. I just fine Ron Paul supporters to be misguided by a misunderstanding of their own political orientation and that of their right sided libertarian Paul - who in fact, based in voting records and statements, is much more of a right wing authoritarian. Which is exactly what all the rest of the candidates running are except for Kucinich and Gravel..

Surely Ron Paul supporters have similar interests in the Sole candidates not in Israel’s pocket represented by Kucinich, Paul & Gravel but there's a major problem with Ron his supporters fail to see or comprehend. It is their failure to comprehend political orientation or ideologies just like most Americans that isn't improved to a more proficient level by buffonish authors with a political agenda like this one seen on Daily Show last night. Liberal Fascism is written by right wing 'Zionist' author, Goldberg who is nothing other than a "loyal foot soldier in the Republican Noise Machine."

John Stewart identified this Liberal Fascism title last night as the oxymoron it is in fact and definition. Fascism is even defined as "right wing authoritarian" in American Heritage Dictionary. Fascism is defined as a system of government exercising authoritarianism by the extreme right, typically through merging state & business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.

For me as an atheist, the biggest problem is Paul's cult-like support from the evangelical community much like Huckster Huckabee. Ron Paul is a committed Evangelical Christian [who as a group all need to be commited] and is quite similar to other anti-secular right wing authoritarian [Christian] Fascists and religious 'social engineers'. Any candidate recieving such strong and wide support from so many looney toon evangelicals , their Christian Reconstructist [dominionists] counterparts, and Christian Identity hate groups [NeoNazis included], all calling for a theofascist Christian gov't and/or nation should be frightful to any sane 'rational' liberal and libertarian!

I strongly suggest all Ron Paul supporters see where their true political leanings reside by taking a few political orientation indicator surveys for a better understanding of their own political viewpoints and learn more about the combined social and economic dimensions of political ideologies in general. Here are 2 excellent political orientation indicators by clicking on "Pick Your Candidate" and "The Presidential Candidate Selector" found on Select Smart. Taking both should verify the results of each political indicator. I'd also advise you to take the Myers-Briggs and even the EPQ Personality Analysis personality indicator I put into easy auto scoring java script format on my anti-theofascist 'Veritas et Ratio' web site. Both personality type indicators will give you further indications to your genuine political orientations as they relate to other personality traits and variables.

by Adnihilo (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 74 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 9:25:41 AM
 


I'm a concerned American voter, and I believe the Republican party has been hijacked by people that are blind to the horrors of a one-world government. The ones that aren't blind are openly welcoming the New World Order - to be run by bankers & international corporations that have no loyalty to Americans.
James MooreI'm a concerned American voter, and I believe the Republican party has been hijacked by people that are blind to the horrors of a one-world government. The ones that aren't blind are openly welcoming the New World Order - to be run by bankers & international corporations that have no loyalty to Americans.

Candidate match quiz

I went here http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php and tried the candidate match quiz suggested above.  Ron Paul won for me, with 38 points, then Gravel 28, Richardson 16, Kucinich 13, Biden 11, then Edwards, Clinton, Thompson, Dodd, Obama, then starting with negative numbers, -8 on McCain, then Brownback, Huckabee, Tancredo, Giuliani, Hunter, Cox & finally Romney.

 I'm right where I should be - voting Ron Paul in the Ohio primary!

by James Moore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 6:50:32 PM
 


"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord
Ingrid"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord

Adnihilo

Learn some discernment.

This is NOT the pot calling the kettle black. I do NOT use derogatory terms against a WHOLE GROUP of people the way you and Mr. Hirschorn do. I would not generalize and say that another candidate's supporters (or most of them) are categorically naive, buffoonish, like lard ass, cultish, unable to think critically and for themselves. I can prove that...look at all my comments and get back to me. Then you might feel a little foolish for jumping to conclusions about me, or about mistaking me for another person, or for wildly assuming that because I support Ron Paul I am somehow accountable for the thougths and actions of every other Ron Paul's supporter.

Personally, I do not understand people who would vote for Hillary Clinton- I have an extremely low opinion of her. But I keep an open mind and listen to people who want to explain why they are voting for her. I do not REPEL them, INSULT them, STEREOTYPE them in the worst possible light before I hear what they have to say. If words like "Clintontard" or Clintonbot" existed, I would not jump on the vicious bandwagon and participate in the use of them. I react to people according to how they present themselves individually.

So should you. 

In this case, what I said about Joel, and Joel specifically, was correct. He DOES insult Ron Paul's supporters literally every time he writes. Check his articles and comments and tell me if I've exaggerated. Yet you've presumed I participate in the same kind of behavior as Joel, merely on the basis of which candidate you think I'm supporting. Not according to what I have actually done. Again...check the record.

You've spoken condescendingly to me, so here's a little of the same medicine: learn to differentiate. Disregard the "herd mentality" and see people for who they are.

by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Saturday, January 19, 2008 at 8:54:36 AM
 


"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord
Ingrid"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord

correction

I went back and tried to find some articles in which Mr. Hirschorn does NOT insult Ron Paul's supporters. Using the search engine, I learned that he does write about things other than Ron Paul. What I should have said was, every time I have read a comment by Mr. Hirschorn, he has insulted Ron Paul's supporters. 

by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Saturday, January 19, 2008 at 9:32:43 AM
 


As an MBA degreed populist and left libertarian, I foster what are genuine liberal or progressive views unlike what I find here from many authors and members presenting at best what are economic right views in NeoLiberalism [or NeoLibertarianism] on an alleged 'Liberal' web site...
AdnihiloAs an MBA degreed populist and left libertarian, I foster what are genuine liberal or progressive views unlike what I find here from many authors and members presenting at best what are economic right views in NeoLiberalism [or NeoLibertarianism] on an alleged 'Liberal' web site...

Why False Hope Creates False Fascist Gods

All of Ron Paul's supporters here sincerely need to take a look his public statements and voting record proving that not only is he not a right wing Libertarian with a NeoLibertarian platform you all claim to support, but based on this voting record of his, he's indeed a right wing authoritarian akin to Bush and yes, Hitler..

Ron Paul on the Issues from Statements and Voting Record

  • He’s ardently anti-choice, which should make anyone question whether he's a genuine Libertarian. He has managed to concoct a rationalization around the rights of fetuses, but it strikes me as labored (and his invocation of Terri Schiavo doesn’t help here, either)..
  • He’s earned a 76% rating from the Christian Coalition. I hate to get too ad hominem, but this is an organization that makes a point of opposing all things socially progressive.
  • He voted NO on allowing embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005) This doesn’t tell you all you need to know, but it tells you a lot that it’s helpful to know.
  • Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad.
  • Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007) Because, you know, he’s worried about corporatism.
  • Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002) Because he’s terribly concerned about politicians being in bed with the big money.
  • Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)
  • Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
  • Voted NO on increasing the minimum wage to $7.25. (Jan 2007) You can really begin to sense his rage at exploitative big business here, can’t you?
  • Voted NO on “network neutrality.” (Jun 2006)
  • Voted NO on allowing telephone monopolies to offer Internet access. (Feb 2002)
  • He supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. Because there’s nowhere left in America where you can go to pray, I guess.
  • YES on “protecting” the Pledge of Allegiance.
  • YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools.
  • He’s rated at 5% by the League of Conservation Voters, indicating a strongly anti-environment record.
  • NO on raising Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards and incentives for alternative fuels.
  • NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
  • (Source for ALL THE ABOVE)

by Adnihilo (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 74 comments) on Sunday, January 20, 2008 at 1:58:36 PM
 


"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord
Ingrid"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord

Freedom to Fascism

As part of your in-depth research of Ron Paul, please consider watching the movie freedom to fascism, available for your viewing pleasure at www.freedomtofascism.com.

Contrary to your habitually condescending advice, I don't "need to" look anything up. You didn't tell me anything significant that I didn't know. The votes you listed were consistent with the mission of restoring liberty to the republic and minimizing government interference. Nothing scandalous. Admittedly, I was surprised by Ron Paul's vote to prevent telephone monopolies from providing internet access, but, since I do trust the man NOT to be corrupt and cater to special interests, I'm confident he has a good, sound reason for his vote. The point is, the man has integrity. Doubt it all you want, the truth stands: he has integrity. He takes NO money from lobbyists. How many politicians can say the same thing? Almost NONE. Even Huckabee takes money from lobbyists.

Life, we are told, is an inalienable right. Ron Paul is pro-life. I agree that life begins at conception. I've never heard and cannot fathom the legitimacy of an argument that life begins at some other, arbitrary time. Even if you say life begins at birth, then legal abortion should cease at the gestation period in which a fetus could be born and survive. I know a little girl who was born at 21 weeks gestation...she is 13 now and healthy. Yet thousands and thousands of fetuses are aborted at 21 weeks and later. Maybe you would argue that life begins only when the mother decides it's begun? What do you do if the mother dies in childbirth, before making it explicitly clear whether she was giving birth to a fetus or baby? Then what do you do? There's no one left who has the power to decide if that human being is a REALLY a fetus or a person. Hmmmm....

Are you in agreement with the procedure called partial-birth abortion? With that kind of abortion, if you don't know, a woman can choose to have her third trimester "fetus" (which, if born, would most likely live, thus qualifying as a baby) killed in the following manner: the fetus's fully developed legs are drawn out of the birth canal. Without letting the head emerge from the womb, the doctor inserts forceps and crushes the "fetus's" highly developed (or fully developed) skull. At that point the body goes limp and the legs stop kicking. If that's not possible, they pull the head into the birth canal (so no one hears the baby screaming) and the doctor...again, without any anaesthesia...inserts a scalpal into the back of the "fetus's" neck and sucks his or her brains out. We're talking about a fetus that could weigh as much as any full-gestation baby...we're talking about a 7 or 8 pound infant. About 24,000 third trimester "fetuses" were killed per year during the Clinton era when this nightmarish procedure was legalized. Notice how morality hinges so critically on semantics in this argument. If you are talking about a 7 pound "fetus," it's not manslaughter. If it's a 7 pound "baby," it's horrific. Remember the college kids who went to jail for infanticide a few years ago? The "baby" they killed was no bigger than the thousands who were killed by partial-birth abortion. If this doesn't give you pause to think, if this doesn't clear the "pro-choice" mantra from your brain, then you are, my friend, brainwashed to the point of imbecility. I hate to be the one to break it to you.

It's ironic that you equate Dr. Paul with "HITLER" for trying to save these fetus-babies from torturous deaths.

Is it really so doubtful and suspect that Ron Paul came to be pro-life by way of obstetrics, as he claims? He has said that in the first abortion he witnessed, the fetus was removed from the womb intact, crying. Then he or she was placed in a bucket in a cold corner of the room where he or she cried and struggled to breate until finally succumbing to death. Would you have a stoical response to witnessing the same death? Would you argue that the ambivalence of the mother and doctor supercedes the validity of Dr. Paul's horrified reaction to the event? Is he not entitled to the impulse to protect small lives where he finds them?

And what do I care if Christians support Dr. Paul? What's wrong with Christians that you speak as though their mere approval of Dr. Paul is an indictment against his character? Your comments reveal bigotry against Christians. Bigotry is universally bad.

By the way, if you judge a man by his supporters, you should be consistent and judge him by his foes, too. Sean Hannity hates Ron Paul. The neocons...you saw them onstage in the GOP debates...ridicule, mock, and slander Ron Paul. The right wing rejects him as one of their own, evidenced by his losses in the primaries. Are you suggesting the right wing and their corporate cronies are entirely misled and should be embracing this paradigm of corporate favoritism? Are you suggesting that those opportunists would have ALL missed this great chance to use and exploit another great mercenary for their cause? That's so inconsistent with the nature of politics and self-serving humanity, it would require a strong belief in supernatural intervention to support your theory.

You blew your trumpet and acted like the prophet of truth with your last comment, but I doubt you yourself have ever taken the time to look at the whole Ron Paul story with an open mind. Practice what you preach and research more yourself.

by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 9:31:50 AM
 


I'm a concerned American voter, and I believe the Republican party has been hijacked by people that are blind to the horrors of a one-world government. The ones that aren't blind are openly welcoming the New World Order - to be run by bankers & international corporations that have no loyalty to Americans.
James MooreI'm a concerned American voter, and I believe the Republican party has been hijacked by people that are blind to the horrors of a one-world government. The ones that aren't blind are openly welcoming the New World Order - to be run by bankers & international corporations that have no loyalty to Americans.

Oh brother.

How many times is Mr. Hirschhorn going to repost this garbage?  Will this article keep popping up until Joel gets the comments that he's looking for?  At least one favorable comment?

I got news for ya dude, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

I've seen this opinion-attack disappear along with all the negative comments blasting Joel's ignorance three times now!  Each time it comes back, it gets SLAMMED!

I think he's just trolling for hits - again - by trying to defame Ron Paul.  Either that, or he's just had too many hits of something mind-altering.

by James Moore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 6:44:02 PM
 


I'm a concerned American voter, and I believe the Republican party has been hijacked by people that are blind to the horrors of a one-world government. The ones that aren't blind are openly welcoming the New World Order - to be run by bankers & international corporations that have no loyalty to Americans.
James MooreI'm a concerned American voter, and I believe the Republican party has been hijacked by people that are blind to the horrors of a one-world government. The ones that aren't blind are openly welcoming the New World Order - to be run by bankers & international corporations that have no loyalty to Americans.

Not a god, but certainly not false

I'm going to be as nice as I can, this is NOT meant to be a hate-mail! I
can respect someone else's opinion as well as anyone, and I'm about as
open minded as they come, according to my family & friends.

Just some notes on your facts:
- PORK? Paul asks for part of the budget to be distrubuted to his district
because he's part of a corrupt system that will not re-elect him if he
lets his taxpayer's money go into that system without a fight. If they
don't get it, the Executive branch spends it at it's discretion. To top
it off, to express his belief that system shouldn't even exist, he votes
against it. If all his cohorts followed suit, the whole corrupt Pork
Barrel Spending situation would cease. But, since he's the most honest
among them - John McCain said so himself - he stands alone.

- CHANGE? It's staring us all in the face, but the CFR-approved
candidates, and journalists like yourself don't want Americans to see it.
It's simple logic. We're just about broke, and it's because of our
empire, our nation-building exploits & resulting blowback, and the FED
devaluing the dollar to pay for it all. It's plain, simple, madness to
continue. Unless we want to be another developing serfdom in the kingdom
of the world, we need direction from someone outide the globalist CFR.
The guy with the best shot at it is Ron Paul.

- DETAILS?Paul's plans do have details. You just can't compress them into
short conversations, let alone 30-second sound bites that are made to look
good but in the end mean little or nothing. Dig deeper, answers are
there, mostly in existing laws either in the Federal or State level.
Everyone says "cut the fat, cut the fat!" Now they scream bloody murder
when someone actually is bold enough to say "let's get it on!" and it's
not the person they hoped it would be.

- ANGER? You paint all supporters with the same broad brush. We Americans
ALL have plenty to be angry about, and people that don't get their facts
straight piss us off even more when they push their flawed opinon, because
people too easily buy those OPINIONS without further research. How's this
for a rebuttal: Journalists that make a living pushing opinion pieces to
mold the public mindset are the worst sort of yellow. Does this apply to
you? If not, then you should not be offended by my saying so, right?

It's just MY opinion of course, but you're about as far out as you accuse
us of being. Paul should call for a Article 5 convention? Yeah, like the
media hasn't already gone overboard trying to make him sound bonkers. You
REALLY want to lock-in that "crazy" buzzword, don't you! Of course, if
Rudy or McCain said it, well, Fox News would call them pure genius!

Good luck with that Bloomberg run. He should have started by now if he
wanted to have a chance to be something other than the gadfly this season.
What's he stand for by the way, direct me to some links. I only know
he's rich, which offhand puts him in company with Romney as another guy
that might think he can buy Americans votes.


Oh, and GO RON PAUL! lol

by James Moore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, January 19, 2008 at 6:46:04 PM
 

 

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