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Americans Unready to Revolt, Despite Revolting Conditions by Joel S. Hirschhorn Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal national poll results vividly show a population incredibly dissatisfied with their nation’s political system. In other countries in other times such a depressing level of confidence in government would send a signal to those running the government that a major upheaval is imminent. But not here in the USA. Why? First, here are the highlights of the poll that surveyed 1,008 adults from June 8-11, with a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points. A whopping 68 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Just 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction - the lowest number on that question in nearly 15 years. And most of those with the positive view are probably in the Upper Class. Bush’s approval rating is at just 29 percent, his lowest mark ever in the survey. Only 62 percent of Republicans approve, versus 32 percent who disapprove. Take Republicans out of the picture and a fifth or less of Americans have a positive view of Bush.
Even worse, only 23 percent approve of the job that Congress is doing. So much for that wonderful new Democratic control of Congress. Bipartisan incompetence is alive and well.
On the economic front, nearly twice as many people think the U.S. is more hurt than helped by the global economy (48 to 25 percent). Globalization does not spread wealth; it channels it to the wealthy, making billionaires out of millionaires.I have long asserted that Americans live in a delusional democracy with delusional prosperity and these and loads of other data support this view. There is a super wealthy and politically powerful Upper Class that is literally raping the nation. Meanwhile, the huge Lower Class continues to lose economic ground while their elected representatives sell them out to benefit the Upper Class. Yet no rational person thinks that a large fraction of the population is ready to rise up in revolt against the evil status quo political-economic system that so clearly is not serving the interests of the overwhelming majority of Americans. Why not?
For a nation that was built on a revolt against oppressive governance by the British, something has been lost from our political DNA. We apparently no longer have the gene for political rebellion. It has been bred out of most of us. And those of us that urge a Second American Revolution are seen as fringe, nutty subversives.
Part of the genius of our contemporary ruling class elites is that they have engineering a state of political and economic oppression that paradoxically is still embraced by the Lower Class. The rational way to understand this is that ordinary, oppressed Americans are in a deep psychological state of self-delusion. Despite all the empirical, objective evidence of a failed government, they fail to see rebellion opportunities. Many still believe they live in the world’s best democracy. But across all elections considerably less than half the citizens even bother to vote anymore. Yet, as the new NBC/Journal poll results show, people are cognitively aware of just how awful the political-economic system is. Yet they are not feeling enough pain to seriously consider rebellion. And it is visceral pain that must drive people to the daring act of rebellion.
Why is there insufficient pain for revolution? This is a deadly serious issue. What is historically unique about America is that even the most oppressed and unfairly treated people are distracted by affordable materialism, entertainment, sports, gambling, and myriad other aspects of our frivolous, self-absorbed culture. Even failed school and health care systems do not drive people, paying enormous sums to fill up their SUVs, to rebellion. So, Americans are aware of their oppression, but the power elites have successfully drugged them with a plethora of pleasure-producing distractions sufficient to keep them under control. We are free to bitch, but too weak to revolt. The Internet has provided a release valve for some pent up anger and frustration. But it too has mostly become another source of distraction, rather than an effective tool for rebellion.
Though these new poll statistics make news, those in control of the political-economic system are not afraid that the population is on the verge of retaking their constitutionally guaranteed sovereign power and take back their nation. Thousands of people like me keep writing books and articles and creating protest groups and events. Those in power just find new, ingenious ways to keep the population distracted – if not through pleasure, then certainly through fear of terrorism. Growing economic insecurity also contributes to self-paralysis, as do never-ending political lies.
What a system.
Even as the population has growing awareness of the dire condition of their nation, the move by the politically powerful on the right and left continues to seek a new immigration law that will solidify the selling out of America. Business interests want more of those fleeing Mexico and other nations to keep wages low. Instead of Mexicans rising up in rebellion against their oppressive government and economic system they escape to the USA. But Americans have no such viable escape solution. Though global warming will certainly make Canada increasingly attractive.
So what do Americans have – other than a terribly bleak future? Where is hope in our dismal world?
In a bizarre twist of history that further illustrates just how impotent Americans have become, virtually all citizens are either unaware of or unreceptive to the ultimate escape route that the Framers of our Constitution gave us. They anticipated that Americans could become quite dissatisfied with the federal government. They feared that the political system could become incredibly corrupted by moneyed interests. They were right.
So here we sit over 200 years after our nation was created unwilling to use what is explicitly given to us in Article V of the Constitution – the option to have a convention outside the control of Congress, the President and the Supreme Court to make proposals for constitutional amendments. Do we really believe in the rule of law? If so, then we should understand that the supreme law of the land – what is in our Constitution – is the ultimate way to obtain the deep political and government reforms to restore true democracy and economic fairness to our society.
Make no mistake: an Article V convention has been stubbornly opposed by virtually all groups with political and economic power. This is most evidenced by the blatant refusal of Congress to obey the Constitution and give us an Article V convention, even though the single explicit requirement for a convention has been met. This fact alone should tell rational people that they are being screwed and oppressed. The rule of law is trumped by the rule of delusion. Our lawmakers are lawbreakers.
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unitary executive/bipartisan criminality
legitimacy ceases, at the point the social contract is breached. therefore, we are nolonger bound by the rule of law to respond within that law. "give" a convention V????????? my ass. by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 8:53:44 AM  (0+)
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Reply: Focus...
If you're going to make a comment about an article... READ THE ARTICLE. An Article V Convention DOES NOT ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION. It's the legal way of regaining our civil liberties and defending freedom. With an Article V Convention, we could REPEAL the 16th Amendment that has enslaved every American citizen. With an Article V Convention, we might be able to legalize marijuana - emptying our jails on non-violent offenders, saving tax payers money and ridding the current prohibition of a plant. An Article V Convention is the only way WE THE PEOPLE can go on the aggresive side without resorting to violence. WAKE UP! by JL Wallace (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 4:23:02 PM (0+)
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Wrong about Article V
Mr. Hirschhorn needs to go back and re-read Article V, as his claim that the requirements for calling a Constitutional Convention have been met is completely wrong. Article V very clearly states that the applications for the Congress to call a Convention must be made by the State Legislatures, not ordinary citizens. As far as I know, there hasn't been an application for a Convention adopted by any of the States' legislatures; certainly there hasn't been such a demand from 34 legislatures. The constitutions of most of the States do provide for citizens to pass laws themselves by initiatives on the general ballot, and I imagine that any such laws would also count as an official State call for a convention (since the legislatures derive their powers from the people in the first place.) Either way, Mr. Hirschhorn's group will need to focus on the actual constitutional requirements if they expect to get anywhere. by Robert Davidson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:02:35 AM (0+)
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Reply: My God, you are so completely wrong
What can I do to help educate people who seem to refuse the FACTS. There have been over 500 official requests from state legislatures to Congress for an Article V convention. This has been thoroughly documented. Is it so hard to understand that Congress has refused to obey the Constitution - that clearly specifies just one SINGLE requirement for a convention -- and the 2/3 of states requirement has more than been satisfied!!!!! Go to www.foavc.org and really spend some time reading and learning the FACTS. Or are you purposefully trying to mislead others??? by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 5:23:16 PM (0+)
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revolution
It's time to dismantle the current 2-party system. There is no opposition party anymore. As far as "And those of us that urge a Second American Revolution are seen as fringe, nutty subversives," we should remember that a revolution always begins with a few. It reminds me of the words of Mark Twain, yes, Mark Twain as much a patriot as he was a writer: "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." by Cheryl Biren-Wright (30 articles, 41 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 485 comments [8 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:03:33 AM (0+)
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Revocation of Charter
In 1946 it was understood that to go ahead with a full scale nuclear build up, in one way or another, the mass of human race would be destroyed. The elite of that time made the decision then to do just that: Destroy the mass human race in an all out nuclear war. The decision to immolate humanity did not go un-noticed by the high level powers, who apparently own this planet. The Extraterrestrial craft that was dropped near the 509th atomic bombing airbase, at Roswell, New Mexixo in July of 1947, was the beginning of the demonstration of a method of how a high level power can and will dislodge an assortment of nuclear armed low grueling brutal simpletons; "The good Americans." 'ET' sent us a message in 1947 at Roswell that may be understood as describing to us the "Magnitude of the Deception." We need not discuss ending the current form of government to install a new form, for the fact is; the current government is no longer viable. It does not exist. By making The decision to exterminate the human race in an unnecesary all out nuclear war, it condemned and ended itself. The owners of the planet-'ET-' have issued a termination of government order to our nuclear war fighting class. The "ET" have issued a "Revocation of Charter." Our fiend class is finished, and they know that they are finished and this is why there is so much pressure at the moment to go ahead with a full scale nuclear war. Our fiend class intends to finish us all of with nuclear weapons first, before "They" go into retirement. The high level members of the military are aware of this, and some such as General Pace, apparently do not want to participate in an all out nuclear war. Bush and Cheney both, along with Blair, have ordered a nuclear war to begin. 'ET' seems to continue to disagree with that plan, and maintains the Power, to prevent an all out nuclear war from beginning. The 'ET' have ended forever our human fiends plans to exterminate us. "Fiend power," is no more. The "Revocation of Charter" is clear to all who have the Mind to understand it. It is long since past time to end the threat of instantaneous nuclear extermination of the human race, at the hands of our nuclear war fighting elite. This old Crown Colony and its experiment in force and fraud is ended. The "Gods" themselves have revoked the Charter of government of the nuclear war fighting fiend elite, by the nuclear war fighting fiend elite and of the nuclear war fighting fiend elite. Our fiend elite considered that they had the 'Right' to destroy humanity based upon the concept of "Natural law," or what some refer to as the "True law." The "ET" have ended the powers of our fiend elite by demonstrating a higher form of law that is embodied within the concept of the "Right of Power." The "ET" have used their Power in a just manner. Our nuclear war fighting elite have used their power in an unjust, malign and abusive fashion. Our fiend elite recognize no other law than that which allows them to committ whatever crimes they feel up to at the moment. "They" recognize no law, and as such, they have no authority. We are the Living Dead.. . by Patrick (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 519 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 11:29:26 AM (0+)
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FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
I keep reading articles calling for a national constitutional convention to address some unexplained problems with some unexplained solutions. Just why do we need such a convention? It is apparent to me that we do not understand the Constitution we have now, and that misunderstanding extends to much of the Supreme Court and to all of the media. So to call for a new constitutional convention of people who don't understand the present Constitution is dangerous. Let's learn the existing Constitution first. Our present Constitution was created by men who had just finished writing state constitutions, so they knew what they were doing. We don't have many such people today. Just what issues are to be addressed? I would hope it would create public financing for all political races and the prohibition of "swiftboating" by anyone. Let's hope it would create health care as a right of all. Let's hope it would create more-honest business practices so that more Enrons don't come calling. Let's hope it would eliminate war-making by treaty (or at least involve the entire Congress in the process). Until I hear specific problems to be addressed and specific solutions to be considered, a new constitutional convention isn't practical, or welcome. by tabonsell (33 articles, 0 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 318 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 4:25:34 PM (0+)
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Reply: Hard for me to imagine
How anyone reading this site's materials can raise the question of what problems we face and need major solutions for. I hardly know where to begin. How about a representative form of government that no longer works for the good of the public because of the corrupting influences of money on politicians? How about having a citizenry that is so turned off and distracted that over all elections less than half of eligible voters bother to vote? How about school and health care systems that are dysfunctional? How about a government that through globalization has sold out the public? And a government that has refused to protect our borders? And a government that enacts public policies to promote economic inequality? And a government that repeatedly violates various provisions of our Constitution? And a Congress that no longer takes seriously its constitutional power to declare war? You really need to read my book Delusional Democracy: go to www.delusionaldemocracy.com and buy at on Amazon at a low price; it will really educate you, IF you actually care to open your mind and be educated and better informed. by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 5:31:13 PM (0+)
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Reply: i understand...
your efforts to effect positive change through the rule of law, and applaud them, but even if there were a const. convention called, resolutions/amendments passed/ratified... what makes you think that the current power structure, blatantly operating clearly outside the guidelines and laws of this country, will abide anything benefiting their loss of power or influence? this cabal is not some misquided bunch of idiots, they have an agenda, and our freedoms and laws are not part of the equation. shrub and co. have wiped their asses with the founding docs, why would they respect their intent now? some fairy dust on the head going to bring them round? power relinquishes power only by force...and if you don't understand that i've wasted my breath. by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 9:33:09 PM (0+)
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Reply: I KNOW
I know what problems exist in this nation. What I don't know is how your constitutional convention is to fix them because you refuse to say. You refuse to provide specific amendments and specific solutions. I repeat myself. Learn to use the present Constitution before you try to form a new one. What we have is not perfect, just the best ever written. I suggest you read my book "The Un-Americans; Trashing of the United States Constitution in the American Press"; it tries to tell you why Americans don't understand our Constitution. In a future article, I will present some specific amendments to be considered; something you have yet to do. Incidentally, leaving the union by a state is unconstitutional in several ways. Not knowing that renders you incapable of improving on the present Constitution. by tabonsell (33 articles, 0 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 318 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 1:19:39 PM (0+)
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Reply: Do more research.
An Article V Convention DOES NOT ABOLISH OUR CURRENT CONSTITUTION. It gives WE THE PEOPLE a Constitutional basis for preserving our civil liberties and either repealing or adding certain amendments that are agreed upon by three-fourths of the states. For starters, an Article V Convention would be used to REPEAL THE 16TH AMENDMENT that has enslaved the entirety of the United States. With an Article V Convention, we could also ABOLISH THE TYRANNICAL AND FASCIST FEDERAL RESERVE. An Article V Convention does to erase the entirety of our US Constitution - please do research before you start attacking the best non-violent legal choice we have for preserving liberty and saving the Republic. by JL Wallace (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 4:32:11 PM (0+)
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Reply: Homework
Do your homework. An Article V Convention is the only way to "attack" those in power, without resorting to violence. Our "elected" officials are owned and controlled by the tyrannical fascists within the Federal Reserve. Our country was sold to Big Oil and Bankers in 1913 - with the abolishment of the Federal Reserve, we could regain our country and rid ourselves of the enslaving 16th Amendment... And the only way to do that is with an Article V Convention. by JL Wallace (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 4:25:56 PM (0+)
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I was asking for it
all along, only I called it Emergency Convention. But as for revolution- it will not happen because we do not have a signiificant group of people, a class, really who will benefit from this change. Or at least those who might benefit do not understand that. What we do understand that any revolution can lead to a bloody skirmish. It is nice to read now about George Washington and his feats but then thousands of young people died and I bet no mother had ever been happy with it. If Congress bluntly violates the Constitution can there be a ' lawsuit' to the Supreme Court on behalf of the Constitution? Can a Constitution ' hire a lawyer'.? Maybe that has to be included - let there be a Convention Committee which demand from Congress to open a Convention and if not- threaten to sue. I have to expalin that the ruling ' iron heel' is as iron as we assume it is. They do not really have any support and their foundation is illusory. It is us who keep them, no one else. by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 6:28:43 PM (0+)
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Reply: article5.org
if you go to this site: http://www.article5.org you will find the federal suit which went to the supreme court in the form of a writ of certiaori last year. the evidence in the suit was/is the congressional record. it shows all the states have applied, and the congress has refused to carry out its constitutional obligation. since the ruling was that politicians will decide if we'll have an article v convention, it's now simply a matter of of marshalling together a tipping point majority of americans calling for a convention. it is a non-partisan issue, and that is agood thing. please join us: http://www.foavc.org by john de herrera (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 165 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:58:38 PM (0+)
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Work toward passage of the FairTax
There are many groups who are trying to enact legislation that will bring us closer to what the founders intended. One such group is Americans for Fair Taxation. Much of the power the current crop of leaders has comes in the form of being able to sell tax favors for campaign contributions. The system is completely unchecked. If passed as written, the FairTax will end that system. It isn't a perfect proposal, but many of us in the fight are there specifically because when passed, the FairTax will be the single largest transfer of power from politicians and lobbyists to the people in more than a century. Please take a look at http://FairTax.org and see if it is a proposal you can support. by David N-V (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 8:50:11 PM (0+)
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Reply: We welcome you
Though our group Friends of the Article V Convention will not support any specific constitutional amendment, we do welcome groups like yours to become Affiliate Members, because you can appreciate the possibility of achieving your aims (a better tax system) through a constitutional amendment -- so come on over to www.foavc.org and join us. by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:27:39 AM (0+)
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Struggle. Enlightment. Delusion. (Puff!) Crisis.
Is America delusional? Is Bush and his neocon in power delusional? Is the Pope German? But you can't call the Bush gang cowards. Just stupid and cheap. Is the Dems delusional? More than that. They're true cowards. Is Americans politically delusional? 50% yes because half voted for Bush, twice. Once can be a mistake, twice confirms mass delusion of the first order. Is the American nation delusional? This requires a more complicated answer which can be better illustrated by a real live event. During the Cold War, the Soviet citizens truely believe they're a great power. They have the unquestioned superiority of the communist system, they're world class in science and technology, runs a powerful efficient economy, backed by deep culture and history. In a few short years after the Berlin wall came down, all that belief went puff. Historians call it The Great Soviet Delusion. With the USSR gone, America rejoiced and proceeded enjoy life as the sole superpower. The political culture of Clinton and Bush2 examplifies that. Americans believe they are always the good, their nation is the 'essential' nation because the world simply can't function without the wisdom and power of the USA. The elite believe the "American Is Great" foreign policy is embraced by the world, ready to follow and admire the 'Essential' nation. Here's the answer: America has been living the Great American Delusion of the post-Soviet era. Because it will go puff. Wise historians have already predicted when the puff will go. 2015, give or take a few. It will be an event worthy of the last puff - the Great Depression and WW2. That's why there's no revolt, despite the signs. True to the above prediction, everybody is somehow waiting for the Great Delusion to hit the wall. It will be an upheaval, followed by crisis, as events take the lead and people just get drag along. No revolt and certainly no revolution. Today, American revolutions are reserved for 10 second TV commericals to hype a stupid, useless product function. by TomK (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 330 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 at 9:15:28 PM (0+)
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Reply: Trying to find hope in a dismal world
It is very difficult and challenging to retain some optimism about obtaining the profoundly needed changes in our government and political system, especially by using our constitutional/legal system - not violence. Part of me sees the USA in the toilet waiting for the Final Flush. But another part of me still sees some possibility of enough Americans banding together to truly fix our nation - it is that joining together in common purpose that is so challenging. I am happy to report that yesterday our new group Friends of the Article V Convention got a huge (for us) increase in membership - 14 new members in just one day!!! And we had over 10,000 hits at www.foavc.org ---- so maybe, just maybe we can succeed. Rather than despair - come join our effort.... by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:24:44 AM (0+)
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You People
Dear American People Always you think that what ever your understanding is about yourself , about others but never bother to re consider the views of other nations about you and about your policies. If you murder thousands of eople in Afghanistan and Iraq its ok but if some body Kill few american you shout slogans like war on terror. Is this justice. If millions of people over all world belives that Your respected President Mr. Bush is Killer of Humanity but you people say he is your hero and doing all right . Is this justice? By Hameedullah Anthropologist Pakistan by Hameed (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:05:03 AM (0+)
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Let's help Lee Iacocca overcome passivity
<http://www.blaserco.com/blogs/?p=72> Are you as exercised as Lee Iacocca? Hear him roar: "I’ll go a step further. You can’t call yourself a patriot if you’re not outraged. This is a fight I’m ready and willing to have. "My friends tell me to calm down. They say, “Lee, you’re eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people.” I’d love to—as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I’m going to speak up because it’s my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I’ll tell you how I see it, and it’s not pretty, but at least it’s real. I’m hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don’t vote because they don’t trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us." __________________________________________ As detailed in the link above, I'm handing an envelope to Lee Iacocca next Tuesday with real letters, on real paper, from our side of the digital divide. Our message is that his natural allies over here are ready to support his effort. The above post is an appeal for you to reply with a PDF of a thoughtful letter - on electronic letterhead - to demonstrate that there are thoughtful, qualified, disciplined and articulate people out here ready to work with him to make a difference. I'll print them out and also put them online to start the ball rolling. Obviously, your influential friends are welcome to chime in. All the details are at the above link. Also, there will be an announcement next Tuesday at the Take Back America Conference describing a broadly inclusive project to advance American governance as much as possible during the year between the next two Independence Days. It's called Independence Year and you'll find it after 7/4/07 at <http://www.independenceyear.com>. by brittb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 9:34:16 AM (0+)
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Reply: a request
if you meet with mr. iaccoca, could you please let him know about the small but growing movement for an article v convention? simply hand him at least one piece of paper/letter with the link to Friends of the Article V Convention. thank you. by john de herrera (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 165 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:52:36 PM (0+)
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Snake Oil Salesman
It seems that this article is all about selling books for Joel S. Hirschhhorn and getting people to visit his site where they can, undoubtedly, DONATE to Joel S. Hirschhorn. Can Joel S. Hirschhorn imagine how many people in this country will DIE if there is a revolt or a revolution in this country? Does Joel S. Hirschhorn CARE how many people will die just so long as there is money left to buy his book? And, of course, the poor will die first, as they always do. by George C. Sievers (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 9:55:45 AM (0+)
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Reply: You are more than an Old Fart
You are a dumb, moronic old fart; I have made NO money whatsoever from all my writings; just the opposite - I spend money to advance the interests I believe in. You may be too old and dumb to become better informed and educated, but I hope (as a 67 year old) that you find some time and energy to open your mind and find some hope in a dismal world and devote yourself, as I have, to making our nation better through peaceful revolution, using our constitutional/legal system. by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:18:31 AM (0+)
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Reply: Dumb
Best look up the definition of "dumb". If this is any indication of your literacy your book would be a hopeless mess of misused words. No one has EVER accused me of being dumb. Ignorant and stubborn and mean, yes - dumb, no. Oh yes - no where do you mention a peaceful revolt except in answer to my comment? by George C. Sievers (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 10:17:10 AM (0+)
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Constitutional Convention
As for a Constitutional Convention, be careful what you wish for. You may end up with worse than you have. As for delusion, capitalism feeds delusion. Marx predicted capitalist nations would be first to adopt communism. He was wrong. McGovern, I think it was in 1972, proposed a near confiscatory estate tax. He reasoned that since less than one percent have estates worth talking about, most voters would find his proposed large estate tax attractive. He lost in a landslide. People want the dream of making it, thereby proving themselves different from the mass. They're not ready for the classless alternative. By the same token, individual Americans derive a large part of their self image from nationality. I don't know why "My country right or wrong" appeals to the point of pursuing "wrong" to the bitter end. If you want a revolution, as I do, I believe it will come through the internet. We must devise ways for large numbers to meet and reach decisions about concerted actions like say, a general strike. I don't know how it can be done. Blogs are fine, but with each of us spinning our wheels individually, "we" can never be in a position to meaningfully oppose those in authority. by Ed Kunin (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:18:45 AM (0+)
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Reply: Can we get much worse?
Probably, but things are bad enough to take a chance with an Article V convention; as to using the Internet, I agree that it must be used to bring people together for true revolutionary efforts; and that's exactly what we are attempting to do with our site www.foavc.org; so come join us by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:51:09 AM (0+)
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Revolt DNA ?
It seems it is thought that the REVOLT DNA, has been lost in Americans. I hate to say it, that it may be lost in many, but not all. With all the petitions for Impeachment signed, all the phone calls made to Congress to back such actions, all the e-mails, post cards, letters, all it seems we keep seeing, is the White House and it's staff, thumbing it's nose at the American People and their Representatives, and our Representatives telling US they will do it, then we only see on these wonderful, Truthful sites, how they backed up on US again. And it seems the Article V convention will only be subsided as well. It seems the next inevitable situation, since it's been said, "when the government becomes un-governable and lawless, so will it's people." As in the beginning when Americans HAD to take arms and action against the oppression that was going on in our country, and I'm sure they did not want to leave their farms and business' to do so, once again, it only seems inevitable. What other choice are they leaving US with? I recently heard a suggestion about a Million Man March around the White House to show our anger and disgust. Look what happened on May 1st in L.A. With the current "Tyranny" in office now, it seems the only logical solution left is a Million Man Long Rifle March ON the White House Lawn, with some good old fashioned tarring & feathering. I was recently told, and are waiting for the newspaper article for proof, that Vermont, Texas, S. Carolina and Kansas, was preparing to take the appropriate action to succeed from the Union, maybe that's an idea. Shut off the Federal Tax dollars, (that's illegal in the 1st place) to Washington, and if they want to WAR so bad, get their Corporate sponsors to sponsor their WAR efforts. (Oil theiving efforts to me) When we have our President, (and I hate to give him that courtesy) tell the American People that he will appoint whomever he sees fit in "HIS GOVERNMENT"... I'm done signing petitions and making phone calls to our Representatives that go no where! I'm not so sure the "Decider Guy" ever passed high school. Isn't our government, "OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE?! So for whatever it's worth... the "Revolt DNA" may be gone in a few, but not all. What a surprise it will be when the "Silent Majority" take the appropriate action needed in this situation. To a Better Day... by Danl Wiz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 11 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:07:48 AM (0+)
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Reply: Appreciate your feelings
However, objective reality tells me that any attempt at violent revolution would surely fail; with all the local, state and federal government's armed resource (police and military) no violent revolution would stand a chance. I truly believe that the peaceful approach of Friends of the Article V Convention has a better chance of succeeding - IF more people like you come and join us at www.foavc.org. A major part of our strategy is building state organizations to apply pressure to state legislatures. As to states withdrawing from the union -- that is just plain delusional thinking; if you believe that is going to happen then you are takeing some serious drugs or are in a state of deep psychotic self-delusion. by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:56:50 AM (0+)
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No new constitution
I would hate to see a revolution when the only serious problem this country has is that of being dominated by paper money banksters. The problem could be corrected by repealing the Federal Reserve and going back to debt-free money such as Lincoln greenbacks. Of course, the Council on Foreign Relations and similar agents are treasonous criminals who should be rounded up and shot but we do not need a new constitution. by wraft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 54 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:14:34 PM (0+)
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Reply: a convention
is not about creating a new constitution. it's about using the one we have. a national convention is the legal mechanism in our constitution to turn on the lights when the lies of politicians and msm make it too dark to see. please do check the site: http://www.foavc.org utilizing the convention clause does not mean the ratification of any proposed idea. simply calling time out to a buch of globalists intent on destroying the republic. by john de herrera (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 165 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 1:01:06 PM (0+)
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Reply: debt free for banks, greenbacks are fiat currency
The bluntest way for government to foster inflation . . . is to grant the banks the special privilege of refusing to pay their obligations, while yet continuing in their operation. While everyone else must pay their debts or go bankrupt, the banks are permitted to refuse redemption of their receipts, at the same time forcing their own debtors to pay when their loans fall due. The usual name for this is a "suspension of specie payments." A more accurate name would be "license for theft," for what else can we call a government permission to continue in business without fulfilling one’s contract? M. Rothbard go try to cash some in for gold or silver, you'll figure it out... all you'll get is more paper greenbacks. greenbacks & central bank info by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 4:35:02 PM (0+)
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Nations, Like Individuals, Must Eventually Pay The Piper
Today mainstream America can be described as a people, living in the most abject ignorance, in all matters political, and historical. Unfortunately, this has been accomplished by longterm exposure, to a stupefying combination of corrupt education, and mass media. For the most part, the general public has been unwilling, or unable, to do much about it. Decade after decade, the U.S. mainstream, has gotten progressively dumber, in vital political and historical knowledge. Today, we're looking at the devastating results, of our inexorable march, toward today's "dumbed down" America! Once a nation of Thomas Paines, and Thomas Jeffersons, we're now a nation of Homer Simpsons, and Hank Hills! The contemporary mainstream American is so far removed, from any real understanding, of how things in our system are supposed to work, they haven't the slightest clue, what politics is about, nor how to do it correctly! Behaving more like trained seals, than sovereign citizens, they've nearly wrecked the U.S. political system by allowing Dem and GOP traitors to run the "oppositionless, two party" scam to perfection, and thereby gain control of the government! This has proven nearly fatal, to civil liberties, the rule of law, and a system, initially based upon government for, and by, the people! Today the people are perpetually divided, reduced to useful idiots, of the media, GOP, and Dems, merely going through the motions of "politics". While the U.S. political system has always looked great on paper, it has never been that great, in actual practice! The major reason for this, is that Americans have never managed to actually commit themselves as a nation, to great political ideals, such as liberty and justice, for all. Due to a tremendous capacity for going off on the most debased, and divisive, political tangents, the U.S. has pretty much, been a nation of hypocrits. Never actually practicing, what one preaches, sooner or later, comes back to haunt you! We've finally arrived, at that point in our history, today. Over two centuries of hypocrisy by mainstream America, is the true source of all the problems, confronting the nation today. Many great Americans have struggled against this fundamental hypocrisy, to no avail. The nation even fought, a great civil war, but still managed to avoid, cleaning up it's act. A people can't get away with this type of behavior, forever! The history of mankind is replete, with the sad stories of great nations, and peoples, whose luck finally ran out! Nations like individuals, must ultimately reap, what they collectively sow! In spite of how bad the current situation is, the U.S. has indeed, attained a government, that merely preys upon, the abysmally low political I.Q. of mainstream America! People get the government they deserve, rather than the one they say, they want! It should therefore be clearly understood, that political skill can't be faked, a people either have it, or they don't. The current lawless, conspiratorial, Bush administration, and Congress exists, simply because mainstream Americans, are so politically inept, they've failed to effectively manage, and safegard, the nation's political system! Most appear incapable of even understanding, the most basic rules of politics, actually fixing any of the nation's serious political problems however, appears way over their heads! Mainstream America, has even fallen into the idiotic habit of laughing, at the everpresent threat, of conspiracies, by GOP and Dem traitors, in government. In the current crime spree, of the despotic Bush Whitehouse, and Congress, all Americans are paying the very high price, of mainstream ignorance! by Rasoul Acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 122 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:36:28 PM (0+)
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a convention
is not about creating a new constitution. it's about using the one we have. a national convention is the legal mechanism in our constitution to turn on the lights when the lies of politicians and msm make it too dark to see. please do check the site: http://www.foavc.org utilizing the convention clause does not mean the ratification of any proposed idea. simply calling time out to a buch of globalists intent on destroying the republic. by john de herrera (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 165 comments) on Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:46:24 PM (0+)
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Nelson from Asymmetric
I replied to your article. I hope I didn't get too personal. click here by nguirado (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 2:25:20 PM (0+)
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Interview on ArticleV
Joel will be my guest on my radio show wednesday morning 10-11am eastern time to talk about "ArticleV". I am looking forward to it. Please join us. Catch the stream here: http://headonradionetwork.com/ We call what we do "Conversation Radio" since we are net only, we are not held to affiliate breaks. If a discussion is rockin along. We will blow out breaks. No cramming it into 6 (or less) minutes with us. We have a great chatroom. requires a quick registration. If you drop in, let our chat mods know you came from OpEdNews! Love to see you there. Archives available free at whiterosesociety.org by Jon Fox (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 1:55:08 AM (0+)
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Ummm, no
Your article makes several completely irrational assumptions - such as how political elites have somehow conspired to brainwash us to watch television and use the internet in order to consolidate political power. Also, the reason why we're not in a state of rebellion is apathy and dissatisfaction with our political system, not, as you suggest, because we are simply distracted by TV and the internet. I posted a blog with my full counter-argument here." target="_blank">click here by Rob Domanski (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 2:55:17 PM (0+)
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Truth
When you, Sir, starting talking sense with facts and truth, rather than just terrorist retorical name-calling and scare terms, people might accidently listen to you. Until then, you are just another radical screaming at the storm to "stop raining on me!" Instead of getting out of the storm, and doing something constructive like building a shelter, or constructively helping this country. Lee Taylor by Lee Taylor (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 6:42:27 PM (0+)
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