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August 5, 2007 at 09:20:12

Removing A Failed President

by Joel S. Hirschhorn     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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We no longer can trust Congress to impeach and remove a terrible president.  The Washington Post has published an op-ed piece by Robert Dallek that proposes a constitutional amendment to allow “ouster by the people” for removing a president other than by impeachment or because of incapacity.  Considering the dismal performance of George W. Bush and his administration and the difficulty in obtaining impeachment, this is a fine idea.

 

Here are the main features of the amendment:  The recall procedure would begin by obtaining a 60 percent vote in the Senate and House.  Public pressure on Congress could help it shift decisionmaking to the electorate.  Congressional support would initiate a national referendum that would be open to all eligible voters in state elections.  Clearly, it should be done fairly quickly.  The ballot would simply offer the choice of voting “yes” or “no” to the option of removing the president and vice president from office immediately.  If the majority votes in favor of removal, then the Speaker of the House would become president and choose a vice president who would have to be confirmed by majorities in the House and Senate.

 

These are solid ideas that would add a much needed dose of direct democracy that would hold presidencies more accountable to Congress and the general public than any constitutional mechanism now available.

 

There must be limits in a functional and fair representative democracy to what a president can do.  Bush has more than demonstrated that the presidency has become much too powerful, able to undermine our Constitution and the rule of law, sell out our national sovereignty, put us in incredible debt, waste American lives, and walk all over Congress.

 

There are 18 states that have a recall process for sitting governors.  So this notion is not absurd.  Interestingly, in only two cases have governors been removed through citizen action: In North Dakota in 1921, and more recently in California in 2003.  Recall works, but has not been used frivolously.

 

As Dallek correctly concluded: “The nation should be able to remove by an orderly constitutional process any president with an unyielding commitment to failed policies and an inability to renew the country’s hope.”  Amen.

 

The removal process has the distinct advantage of not immobilizing Congress when it pursues impeachment.  More important, removing a president through a national referendum that involves many millions of citizens, rather than simply through members of Congress, makes incredible sense.  If we the people really are sovereign, then we should have the constitutional right to remove a president.

 

Sadly, Dallek did not also support using a mechanism already in our Constitution to propose amendments that are unlikely to come from Congress.  Our Founders placed in Article V the option of having a national convention for the purpose of proposing amendments.  Only one specific requirement is given and that has been met, but Congress has refused to call an Article V convention, though more than two-thirds of state legislatures have asked for one and even though Article V says that it “shall” do so.

 

If Congress has refused to honor Article V and give we the people what we have a constitutional right to – an amendment convention operating outside the control of Congress, the presidency and the Supreme Court, then it seems unlikely to propose a new amendment that would give the nation a national referendum to remove a president and vice-president.  Each of the two major parties will fear that someone of their party could be removed from office and that a Speaker from the other party might become president.

 

Pressure could be mounted now on Congress to obtain the new amendment for removing a president or it could be mounted on Congress to obey the current Constitution and give us an Article V convention.  Choosing the second option has the huge advantage that by obtaining the nation’s first Article V convention we would also have the opportunity to consider other sensible amendments.  Fears of an Article V convention have been nurtured over the decades by groups now wielding power over Congress through lobbying and campaign contributions.  Such fears are nonsense.  Whatever an Article V convention proposes must be ratified in exactly the same way that all proposals from Congress are ratified.

 

The second point, therefore, in favor of working in favor of an Article V convention is that Congress has also largely failed we the people.  Making it obey Article V and give the nation an alternative means of national discussion of possible constitutional amendments that a corrupt Congress will never propose makes all the sense in the world.  For example, there is serious attention being given to the idea of electing Supreme Court Justices, rather than continue allowing political considerations to choose them.  But neither major party would want to lose its power to shape the court, so that amendment will not be proposed by Congress.

 

Learn more about the Article V convention at www.foavc.org.  Friends of the Article V Convention has the sole mission of obtaining the nation’s first convention and will not support any specific amendment.  But every group that now advocates some type of political or government reform that could be obtained through a constitutional amendment should join and support this umbrella group.

 

[Joel S. Hirschhorn is a founder of Friends of the Article V Convention and the author of Delusional Democracy, www.delusionaldemocracy.com.]

 

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Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments.

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Chairman Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America. http://www.dmocrats.org
www.dmocrats.orgChairman Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America. http://www.dmocrats.org

I have your people's Impeachment, conviction of Bush Cheney

You will see in the first paragraph of this letter a demand to the GOP that they get Bush and Cheney to resign. The rest of the demands will give us needed progressive legislation in this country.

Since the beginning of the first term of Bush's regime, noone has successfully stopped this madman. We the consumers of products of companies that give money to Bush's RepubliKLAN party can organize a mass boycott of these contributors and demand Bush resign or their profits disappear. This makes this a people's referendum on Bush and Cheney with the demand he and Cheney resign. Who's with me? Pass the word. You can also call General Electric Corporation at 203 373 2211 as well and make the demand to the public relations department person that since they support the GOP they get their CEO to get Bush and Cheney to resign after they end the war, and until they do, you will no longer buy any GE products, except to watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann.

 

 


Send this letter to the Republican party today!

Copy and paste the letter below and email it directly to info@gop.com  the Republican Party and get 2 friends to send this letter and have those 2 friends get 2 friends to send it and so on. Thank you. Drop me a message to info@dmocrats.org with the subject Done after you have sent the email.

Hello

Get your Republican party to end the war in Iraq, with Bush and Cheney resigning, and until you do we stop buying televisions, refrigerators, stoves, ovens, dishwashers, dvd players, stereo equipment, light bulbs from one of your party's major contributors and War contractors General Electric Corporation ( 203 373 2211 ) who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.

Get your Republican party to  remove the FICA taxable income cap and tax all of a person's income for social security purposes and enact HR 676 Single payer universal health care into law and repeal Medicare Part D and place the prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B covering 80 percent of all medication with no extra premiums, no extra deductibles, no means tests, no coverage gaps, and completely remove the means test to Medicare Part B and until you do, we will not buy consumer products and prescription drugs from the biggest pharmacy chains and GOP contributors in the country Eckerd, CVS, Rite Aid and Walgreens and we will not buy health insurance from Blue Cross Blue Shield and Aetna, the 2 biggest health insurance companies that give money to the GOP as well, who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.

Get your Republican party to enact a $10 an hour minimum wage, and until you do, we will not go to the following restaurants and GOP contributors Wendy's, Outback Steakhouse, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, and Dominos Pizza who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.

Get your Republican party to enact into law Universal vote by mail with paper ballots counted by civil servants with civil servants registering voters and keeping track of registrations, and until you do, we will not buy any GOP contributor Dell computers or monitors or go to the following restaurants and GOP contributors Wendy's, Outback Steakhouse, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, and Dominos Pizza who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.

Get your Republican party to get congress to pass and enact a law legalizing abortions from conception to six months, and to nine months when the life of the mother appears threatened, and until you do we stop doing business with two of your biggest contributors Dominos Pizza and Curves for Women Health Clubs.

Signed,

by www.dmocrats.org (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, August 5, 2007 at 12:07:19 PM
 


I am a Vietnam Vet disabled by MS and other various diseases.  On average I am a Moderate with slight Conservative leanings although it truly depends on what issue I am concerned with at the time.
Hayesml47I am a Vietnam Vet disabled by MS and other various diseases.  On average I am a Moderate with slight Conservative leanings although it truly depends on what issue I am concerned with at the time.

Vote of no confidence!

At the very least we need to be able to have a "vote of no confidence".  In this way we can recall a Bad president or vice-president.  Many other governments have such abilities and we definitely need it also.  We need this at the Congressional level as well as the state level.  If our Congressperson fails to vote as their constituents wish then we can remove them at the state level and replace them with someone who will.  The more abilities the voters have at their disposal the more Democratic our Republic will be.  It is very obvious that as voters we have little or no control over our elected officials once they have been elected.  This needs to change and soon!

by Hayesml47 (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 248 comments) on Sunday, August 5, 2007 at 5:16:34 PM
 


Frank J. Ranelli is an editorial writer, a research author and critic. He is also a senior editor for OpEdNews. His erudite and chic style of writing has been lauded and extensively published in a variety of news outlets and across the Internet. These include the Naples Daily News, The Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Alternet, The Smirking Chimp, and the former progressive journal of thought, Wicked Philosophy. Frank is currently working on his upcoming book, Rise of the Authoritaria...

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Frank J. RanelliFrank J. Ranelli is an editorial writer, a research author and critic. He is also a senior editor for OpEdNews. His erudite and chic style of writing has been lauded and extensively published in a variety of news outlets and across the Internet. These include the Naples Daily News, The Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Alternet, The Smirking Chimp, and the former progressive journal of thought, Wicked Philosophy. Frank is currently working on his upcoming book, Rise of the Authoritaria...

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Right to abolish

Joel,

 

 An exceptional essay, report and an idea that has long since been germane to a truly functioning democracy that is sovereign and cedes to the will of the people. You and I both know – and have discussed at length through the many articles we have individually written – that the people we garner privilege to, in representation of us, in a republic form of government, ceased to doing so long ago.  

The Democrats latest capitulation (especially the ‘Dirty 41’) to Bush and expanding the power of FISA is simply the latest in a “long train of abuses and usurpations”, to quote a quaint, but highly appropriate phrase. We as a nation, as a people, have rights under the supreme laws of our land, to abolish and institute a new government, if the current government is destructive or corrupt and has failed the people it has garnered dispensation to. To that end, this is the most fraudulent and deceitful group of misanthropic, contemptuous inhabitants to every grace our Nation’s Capitol. 


Our elected body, Congress, simply no longer implements the will or the desire of the people of this country. Our irrevocable rights to self-government and our liberties are ignored or transgressed upon by the very people who swore to uphold those very ideals that can never be negotiated or compromised. To me, as is evident to you, and a vastly growing chorus of people, the current actions of our federal legislature are simply unacceptable and intolerable.

 

If a state of 50 million people, California, can successfully recall a governor, then in the true spirit of the Ancient Roman Plebeians, we too, as a country of incontestably free citizens of 300 million, must find a way to break this duopoly stranglehold. Moreover, return the preordained and just powers to the autonomy of the people to whom this government belongs to: Us, the electorate!



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by Frank J. Ranelli (59 articles, 141 quicklinks, 25 diaries, 324 comments) on Sunday, August 5, 2007 at 8:18:46 PM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Is there any way

to form a Committee  with Vincent Bugliosi  at the helm to  accuse Bush judiciously ( open a criminal case) of  wrongful death during Katrina? If only we have such an open case it would be enough to throw the media berserk and  the more turmoil we have, the better.  It has to be done.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3219 comments) on Monday, August 6, 2007 at 9:35:26 AM
 


Veteran, Political Conultant, writter. single, GWM. Escaped from Kentucky and student working on my Masters. Living in Indianapolis.
GareeceVeteran, Political Conultant, writter. single, GWM. Escaped from Kentucky and student working on my Masters. Living in Indianapolis.

Why Not the Courts outside the US

Why haven't we gone the Hauge and filed a lawsuit claiming the Bush , Chenney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and they corrupt bunch are war crimials. Also have committed cimes against Human Rights. Let people die.  They wen tafter Nazi's  for the same things

by Gareece (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 46 comments) on Monday, August 6, 2007 at 11:31:55 AM
 


I only want to comment on your articles as a citizen. If I decide to write an article for you (very dubious) I will do a short bio.
wilbaI only want to comment on your articles as a citizen. If I decide to write an article for you (very dubious) I will do a short bio.

Focusing our anger

Our pent up anger should be focused on changing the system to allow recall of Federal officers and term limits for all Federal officers. We can change this system from the “mendicant democracy” we have to a system that is far more responsive. Careful reading of the National Initiative for Democracy reveals a well crafted proposal that would allow us to take the control of government away from the military-industrial corporations. This is not a recipe for mob rule as the corporations would have us fear. The last 20 years of Pew polling of public opinion show people’s priorities to be quite progressive. The National Initiative is indeed a threat to the political control exercised by large corporation and they will spin it mightily. But every vote for the National Initiative is a vote away from military-industrial corporatist control of our government. Thanks to SoS Debra Bowen we have seen the beginning of the end of the Diebold, etc. empire of electoral fraud. Today could see the beginning of people starting to reclaim their power as the fourth branch of government. I urge you to vote.

by wilba (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 at 2:53:46 AM
 

 

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