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June 17, 2007 at 08:32:05

Weather is Not God's Judgement... It's Weather

by Dennis Diehl

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Christian Fundamentalists just know whenever there are major hurricanes, volcanoes, a day of tornadoes, earthquakes, storms, hail, drought, fire and frogs upon the land....it is God trying (does God have to try?) to tell us all something. We don't think that the God that can verbalize....

"I blasted you with blight and mildew [from too much rain]. When your gardens increased, your vineyards, your fig trees, and your olive trees, the locust devoured them; yet you have not returned to Me,’ says the Lord" (Amos 4:9)

 could also say:

"Hi...God here.  I'm here in person because it's really important we have a talk. I want you to be happier than this so let's have a chat. I have no need to smite you with bad weather because I'm here in person so you don't have to guess if I am using weather to get your attention, or if it's just weather.

But alas, God only threatens humans, and always does it through the minds, voices in the heads of, and observations of mortal humans who think they know. All that a Bible literalist can say is that God "could" do it that way, but he chooses not to. I say that something that important deserves clear and concise communication with humans and to definitely not leave us with so much doubt and confusion.

Weather, especially as observed by the superstitious and uneducated, either by choice or circumstances has always been the tool of the angry God of history who is "trying" to get mankind's attention before He simply has to destroy him once and for all. So much for the idea that after man's creation, "behold it was very good." The Deity needs to make up his mind about us or rethink His original design. It's not our fault! Perhaps we are the one proof of Unintelligent Design....

Listen very carefully. Weather is weather. One more time - Weather is weather. It's normal and natural. It is NOT a Deity doing its BEST to get in touch. That idea is simply leftover from a time when men did not understand the forces that governed their world and assigned them meaning that worked at that time, but is NOT the way to motivate sincere humans who have enough on their plate learning to coexist with what is.

Hurricanes always happen where they are prone to happen based on natural cycles and conditions generated by the planet. The SE United States has a coastal profile that shows how many millions of years this erosion has been going on - quite naturally and I dare say before humans ever spent a night in the SE United States. Back then, I suppose Cat. 5 Hurricanes were not tools the gods had thought of using to get the wildlife to come to their senses.

The SE United States has a coastal profile that shows how many millions of years this erosion has been going on - quite naturally and I dare say before humans ever spent a night in the SE United States. Back then, I suppose Cat. 5 Hurricanes were not tools the gods had thought of using to get the wildlife to come to their senses.

Volcanoes are very natural and are not tools of the gods. They just are the natural result of plate tectonics as are earthquakes. Unfortunately, when humans live on their slopes, or where plates shift, or where tornadoes form, or droughts are wont to occur, we have to find a reason other than the simple fact that we are living in harms way that for the most part does not visit us. I feel deeply for the suffering that all must be going through in New Orleans after this recent hurricane Katrina. But we also have to know that EVERYONE knew that if this ever happened... then this would happen!

When a city or house sits on the sand or in a bowl 20 feet below sea level, next to the sea, someday it will find itself in deep trouble as the normal forces on this planet play out their dance.

The citizens of Herculaneum at the foot of Vesuvius learned this the hard way as well. Today one can see the casts left of where humans died, in detail, covered by the ash that so quickly ended their lives. It's nice to live on the coast with beautiful beaches. It's nice to live at the foot of cone shaped mountains with incredibly fertile soil. It's nice to live in the Midwest United States and grow corn. It's nice to live in Southern California....ok, it used to be nice, or Hawaii, or in the Ring of Fire. But when the earth, which has it's own maintenance system does what it does, there is a chance humans might somewhere find themselves in harms way.

We know this and I suspect you know this too, but our superstitious natures combined with believing the Bible speakers must be really really speaking for a real God who does such things, gets in the way of our common sense and vastly improved understanding of such things. We still can't let the facts of what humans know in 2005 AD override the sacred texts of thousands of years gone by. In our heads we know that science has shown us a better way to view things, but in our hearts we just can't let go of the Act of God attitude.

The assigning of a wrong theological meaning to a natural event for the way the planet works, is a serious mistake in our fundamentalist society. It misleads and frightens people into behaviors that are not helpful and beliefs that are not true.

I'm reminded of some of the biting humor of Sam Kineston who noted that people in the Sudan, starving and standing in nothing but blowing sand did not need food and water...they needed luggage....they needed to mooooooooooooove! as he would yell.

I would also be more impressed with the "Ten Plagues" of the Exodus story were they not common phenomenon to the region. If you have ever been to the Middle East, plagues of flies, frogs, lice, cattle diseases and such are part of normal daily life at times. Water to blood, not so much, but that's another story. And of course killing firstborn was a way of life in one sacrificial form or another in that day and time. Nothing really all that special.

Now if one is to be really impressive let them be:

1. The plague of Polar Bears

2. The plague of Eastern Diamondback Rattle Snakes

3. The plague of angry Kangaroos and Dingoes

4. The plague of LA Smog

5. The plague of biting Chimps

6. The plague of South American Capybara

7. The plague of South Carolina Humidity

8. The plague of being forced to listen to a sermon in LCG, PCG, RCG, okay even WCG, but I suspect that sermon would be very nicey nicey!

9. The plague of a Buffalo, NY Blizzard

10. The plague of ..... ummmm, well you make one up...

Making religious plagues out of common local phenomenon is not very plaguey. It's just more dramatic every day stuff and the things the locals are aware of in their small world.

Through the pages of the Bible we are told that God will bless those who obey Him, with rain in due season and abundant harvests and peace in the land (Lev. 26:3-6, Deut. 28:12). In fact, we’re told that because of obedience to God, our blessings will actually “overtake” us (Deut. 28:1-2). Conversely, we are told that if we disobey God, he will negatively affect the weather; withholding rain (Zech. 14:16-17) and even His “tender mercies” – which can include his protection (Ps. 40:11). God promises to punish the world and the wicked for their evil -- even shaking the heavens (Isa. 13:13). From the writings of King David, we understand that God will chasten or correct those that He loves. David requested that God “remove” His plague (or punishment) from him (Ps. 39:10). Ibid

Yes, this is true, the Bible does say these things. But they are not really true just because the bible says so and this is where the fighting starts in the minds of most. We simply have a terrible time getting past the idea that ideas about why things are as they are, or have occurred as they have occurred as seen through the eyes of people from past ages, uneducated in how things really work on the planet and long dead, are wrong.

We forget that the same book calls a bat a bird (Lev. 11:13-19,  and tells us the sun functions from "it's rising in the East until it's setting in the West," is simply wrong.

Of course these things appear to be so, but the authors had no clue that a bat was a mammal and not a bird and I guess he never looked. I suspect had they ever seen one, a flying squirrel, or snakes that glide from tree to tree, might also have made the bird list. And, of course, they had no clue the earth rotated, or the planet was not the center of the solar system. This little scientific correction would cost some their lives.

So here we have the "God loves us so much he has to spank us when we go astray" mind virus. It is a mantra we simply say when we aren't thinking. A repeat of a meme that has been pumped into our being when bad things happen to people.

So from the Bible we learn weather is ....

A. Not natural but attention getters from the Deity.

B. Inflicted upon mankind because God loves us so much yet can't take the time to personally chat with us without all the drama. God has few counseling tools at his disposal so simply throws tantrums to get our attention.

C. Just going to get worse and worse.

D. Proof positive that, once again, Jesus is almost ready to return in YOUR lifetime.

You'll learn that it's mostly God, but sometimes Satan who controls the weather though the little stuff is just weather. Oh no, how do we tell the difference? I also have wondered if a Cat. 3 storm is from God to teach us a lesson, or does He only speak through Cat 4 and 5? Or if a volcano erupts in a remote area, is that just for fun, or is it considered a near miss? How many have to die in a natural cycle drought before it's not just a drought but a warning. When it rains again and life goes on as before, is it because the Deity gave up on trying to change their evil ways and said "oh heck, let it rain, I've go to go bash some Europeans into obedience because I love them."?

Ok, what's the point? I fully understand those who adopt the idea that "God said it, I believe it, that does it for me." That is how we have been so deeply programmed. We shudder to even think that anything in the Bible might simply not be accurate or true or relevant. We can't wrap our minds around the idea that Ezekiel or the prophets were just humans, perhaps fairly normal, perhaps traumatized by the collapse of their temple worship cult, perhaps a bit daft or clinically unbalanced or not really inspired by some Deity of the day.

It feels blasphemous to even consider the idea that prophecy is not really prophecy and or that what might be has no relevance to us today. I fully understand the reaction to taking a different view and challenging the mind virus that is such a part of our theological mindset. I simply believe that humans, who struggle to give meaning to every event in life on this planet, often assign it the wrong meaning and do as much harm to the human spirit and mind as natural phenomenon can do to us when we get in the way.

I also have grown to take exception with those who fill their coffers, pad their nests and boast their own egos with fear tactics that they have long since stopped realizing they are doing. It becomes such a habit to motivate the faithful with the "signs of the times" that one gets locked into doing it every time bad things happen to basically good people. Within HOURS of a natural disaster, meaning from the gods is assigned to the event and the conclusions are sent out post haste to motivate the faithful. After all, timing is everything in religious motivation techniques.

So... Who Controls the Weather? I guess it depends on what one needs to believe to better bring order to their world. That has always been the case in all of human history. No rain=God is mad at us. Rain=God is happy with us. Sunshine and cool breezes=God is happy with us. Cat 4 or better hurricane=Uh oh, God is mad at us and this is a spanking, you ain't seen nothing yet, Jesus is coming soon, write for our free booklets, join our church, now your are protected and see it all works out nicely.

And I know it bites at our core sometimes with all the background we have had in Bible prophecy, the tribulation, vials, plagues, trumpets and the scenarios of the Second Coming, but in fact, and whether or not we understand it...weather is just weather. We live on a planet with natural meteorological and geological process that sometimes put our puny selves in harms way.

 

Dennis Diehl is a former pastor of 26 years,  who outgrew the Literalism of Fundamentalism.  He writes about Pastoral and Church abuse and is available to speak on such topics or be helpful to any church suffering under abusive religion or pastors. 

 

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just a concerned citizen.
k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

stupidity not limited to

xtianity...  iv'e had personal experience w/a family of ismaili shia muslim, that consider the xmas day tsunami, a couple of yrs back, divine retribution.  <eyeroll.........

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 9:35:15 AM
 


electronic technician, truth seeker
Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

We Get the Point

Dennis,

     I think we get the point on how religion can distort things and maybe

we take things to literally sometimes.

     But..... with all your negativity to the Bible did you find anything good

about it? Maybe you should focus on it's positive aspects also.

     Like praise God for giving you life and all the good things in it.

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 914 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 10:14:13 AM
 


just a concerned citizen.
k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

mornin gormley

gormley?  did you happen to see the comments i posted to you ystrdy? you expressed that you had experienced "spiritual quandry" inre aspects of organized religion and orthodoxy..  i directed you to explore/research deism as a possible avenue for introspection.  :)  just google it :)

happy reading! 

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 10:48:33 AM
 


just a concerned citizen.
k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

gormley

found your "denial".  i'm sorry you feel this way.

pardon my inelqouence... 

deism espouses eternal lessons from immutable natural laws that govern the universe.  if you so choose to prefer contradictory stories written by men long ago and rewritten by others to suit their purposes over the eternal truths of natural law, you have severely limited your perceptual capacity for rational understanding.

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 11:41:01 AM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Natural Laws

I don't deny natural immutable laws.

But.... I don't see deism holding the belief in a personal God.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

     Whether the Bible is a mish mash of stories or not. My belief in a personal God stays the same.

      In a nutshell: love God, love one another, and hate actions that separate us from God or cause us to decay (sin).

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 914 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 2:00:20 PM
 


just a concerned citizen.
k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

personal god?

JC did say, "Love one another, that is the whole of the law."

This personally... is the only thing i concur with in the entirety of the KJV, the rest is dust in the wind.

I'm not sure what you mean by a "personal god"? would you clarify the term pls?

if one subscribes to an omnipresent omniscient omnipotent architect/creator, one could logically assume that the creator was "personally" involved in manifesting one's entire physical/mental presence in this plane of dimensional existence... i can't imagine anything being more personal?? :)

 

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 7:47:13 PM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Personal God

By personal I mean able to relate to, like a person to person

dialogue. I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God.

He related to people while on earth in a personal way.

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 914 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 7:28:47 AM
 


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k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

Ah......................

omnipresent defined is... within ALL.

you, me, JC, everybody, everything.  :)

 

 

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 11:21:50 AM
 


Dennis Diehl is a former pastor of 26 years,  who outgrew the Literalism of Fundamentalism.  He writes about Pastoral and Church abuse and is available to speak on such topics or be helpful to any church suffering under abusive religion or pastors.   
Dennis DiehlDennis Diehl is a former pastor of 26 years,  who outgrew the Literalism of Fundamentalism.  He writes about Pastoral and Church abuse and is available to speak on such topics or be helpful to any church suffering under abusive religion or pastors.   

Getting the Point

It's not negativity so much as noting and simply pointing out that which many literalists use to control people and deprive them of things they don't need to give up or give to.  I soaked in how Church Organizations work. I am all for a personal and deeply held spirituality that is not fear, shame and guilt based.  It's been a long trip.  Thanks for your comment

by Dennis Diehl (68 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 55 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 10:52:54 AM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

I Agree

I agree ....

    Church organizations can control through fear, guilt, etc.

Mandatory tithing is a classic control issue. Official "church membership"

for voting rights is another. Speaking in tongues as evidence one has

the Holy Spirit, etc. My big beef was "the submission to government"

line and the support of the Iraq war. They chose to follow Paul's advice

instead of Jesus'. I wonder if they would have submitted to Hitler? I

understand that many Christians did support Hitler.

    I'm all for submitting to government when it concerns speeding tickets,

drunk driving, etc. But.... when it come to killing innocent people God's law

takes precedence (thou shall not kill).

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 914 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 2:06:35 PM
 


Do as I say, not as I do! GOP-Congress
chil420Do as I say, not as I do! GOP-Congress

GOD's PUNISHMENT with WEATHER

THIS IS WHY THE MEDIA COVER ALL WEATHER REPORTS as if they have never happened before. In Topeka KS in 63' I think it was we had a Tornado that wiped out half of Topeka and all the small townships that surrounded it. NO BIG DEAL.. we know we have Tornados and we have basements. WE ARE PREPARED! These news media reports constantly are to promote the last days. To give reason for the followers of BUSH/JESUS the son of GOD. ALl I know is I do not want to spend eternity with BUSH CHRISTIANS.. I would rather spend my time visiting with Mark Twain & those like him... laughing & speaking about why we exist in the first place.

by chil420 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 10:53:06 AM
 


Do as I say, not as I do! GOP-Congress
chil420Do as I say, not as I do! GOP-Congress

more on JESUS WEATHER REPORTS

Can you imagine spending eternity with the entire GOP from the beginning of its existence?  Jerry Falwell is waiting for us.. Billy Graham is waiting soon.  Tom Delay will be there.  O my all the Bush family will be there.  So do you all want to go to their heaven?

   I am a non-believer of any religion.  I think it is so funny to hear them talk about tax reform by lowering taxes when it was the church who started taxes via the tithing sp?  the giving of 10% and it was a crime if you did not have your 10%, you would be put in debtors prison and sent to new unexplored countries to settle & murder the indigenous peoples making way for the Europeans to come and steal the land as so America was born out of murder & theft.  Using WMD's & trickery.

   What goes around comes around and perhaps the ghosts from the past has returned to reclaim what was once theirs...

   For even in this book called the Bible, it says the meek shall inherit the world.......................................

by chil420 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 11:10:33 AM
 


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larry boothI've been a musician for 40 years.married with 5 kids.

Mr. Diehl...............

You can mock fudamentalists all you want, but I don't think you know what's from God anymore than they do. The weather may or may not be from God. Any proof to the contrary? Your article's headline sounds as silly to me as one claiming that every tornado is sent by God. We really don't know, right Amigo?

by larry booth (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 268 comments) on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 at 10:20:46 PM
 

 

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