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December 25, 2006 at 10:37:56
American Thinker says 9/11 skepticism "extremely dangerous" by David Caputo Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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AmericanThinker.com's Michael Lopez-Calderon thinks that people who don't buy the government's line about 9/11 are "extremely dangerous" because they might "undermine our democratic nation's war against the theocratic forces of radical, Jihadi-driven Islam".
Ouch.
And here I was thinking I was being patriotic trying to expose the bald-faced lies and brazen evasions that have constituted the "official story" of 9/11 up to this point. After all, if the Bush administration and/or its cronies DID perpetrate or facilitate the crimes of that day, the central justification for the ongoing war(s) against our officially designated enemies would be undermined indeed.
But, that must surely be because I find comfort in conspiracy theories. As Mr. Lopez-Calderon put it, "Conspiracy theories offer explanatory models of complex events to large audiences of the unsophisticated and under-educated."
Ouch again...
The weak "attack the messenger as delusional but avoid directly criticizing any of their specific claims" methodology used by his article is all too familiar, but Lopez-Calderon expands upon this with a sinister twist. The main thrust of this twist is that 9/11 skeptics are a dangerous pathogen in the American body politic, infecting otherwise warlike and patriotic citizens, particularly the young, with a paralytic cynicism that weakens their resolve to lash out with sufficient ruthlessness at those irredeemable A-rabs who just can't wait to kill us. Seems we just don't realize how much being force-fed Lee Greenberg can fill those boys with blood-lust. (Blowback from cultural imperialism indeed...)
This, it seems, is the real question at hand.
Should these petit-Benedict-Arnolds still be allowed to roam freely and brazenly challenge (on the scandalously unregulated internet) our great and noble nation's declared world-view?? Perhaps they should all be rounded up and held incommunicado in internment camps until the threat from "radical, Jihadi-driven Islam" has safely passed. That should only be a couple of months, right? Seems like the only sure strategy to keep them from doing things that "may lead more Americans, particularly the young, to withdraw their allegiance to their country."
Sounds like a national freaking emergency to me, neh?
And about that intarweb thing...Another culprit of course is the unregulated, often unaccountable Internet-blogosphere, where virtually unfettered free speech has produced a downside, namely, an opening for every conceivable crackpot writer. In the past, such writers and their theories often were relegated to coffeehouses, salons, and obscure, dilapidated radical bookstores commonly found in college towns and or near major university campuses. They were a fringe relegated to relative obscurity. Today, thanks to the Internet's incredible freedom as well as reach, no toiler is condemned to obscurity but on the contrary, with some talent, hard work, and catchy writing, he can reach audiences that may range in the millions. (links added)
Oh God I could only hope...
I've been getting so tired of those musty radical bookstores anyway. And millions you say... Sheesh... That'd be nice...
Used to be in the old days I'd spend all night spread out at the local Kinkos, pasting together the carefully typed-out articles from my ragged gaggle of scribes. Now it's just Type, Post, and watch the hit-counter spin like it's a slot machine in Atlantic City. To think I used to spend all my weekends dropping off copies at the local coffeehouses and bookstores...
But I digress...
In addition to Michael's denouncement of 9/11 skeptics as essentially traitors scheming to bare America's belly to the inevitable Scimitar of theological conquest, he links such scholars with Holocaust Deniers and Illuminati fans. He summarily dismisses ALL research, conclusions, and data that would suggest that A) the government's case is fatally flawed, and B) that many 9/11 skeptics have meticulously researched and vetted data and conclusions. He provides links to sites that support his claims, like this one, but never gives links to any of the 9/11 Truth web sites that he is supposedly criticizing.
Try digging a little deeper, Mike. You obviously don't have any problem with America's actions or agenda in the world so go ahead. It won't put you at risk of "cynicism", right? Watch a couple of David Ray Griffin videos and systematically debunk his points. Read Jim Hoffman's analysis on his WTC7 site. Show me exactly how their arguments are flawed.
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Good thinking. I admire you and like your writing. You have a really captivating way of putting things. This guy sounds like a Michael Savage clone. It' so easy claim that a premise is a lie if you don't have to offer proof. by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 574 comments) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 7:11:57 AM
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Reply: Why thank you Tim...
For your generous comment. I checked out your stuff and it looks pretty good too. I look forward to reading it. by David Caputo (5 articles, 32 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 25 comments) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 8:07:02 AM
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Your Article
Greetings David An excellent article you've written here. Pointing out the generalizations anti-consp theory types have to make to discredit is key to long range understandimg of the holes in the government's version of events. Here in Humboldt county CA we have a nationally known hard left writer, Alexander Cockburn, actually offering technical explanations of the collapse of building 7 on his web site. We want to take them head on. You mentioned you pasted together publication in the Kinko's, do you have a zine that you do? I'm having similar experience here, and lately have been saddened by the hight tech necessities, I miss exacto knives and glue sticks... I have a project on 9/11 in the works, hope to advance the ideas you present here in hard copy, distributed at coffee shops and grocery stores... Thanks for the links... Best, Joe Shermis by Joseph Shermis (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 1:04:56 PM
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Reply: Regarding Alex Cockburn
Thanks for the complement. You may be interested in a couple of letters I wrote to Counterpunch re: Alex and 9/11. Read this article... Enjoy, and let me know if I can be of additional service. David Caputo Totally Fixed and Rigged Magazine by David Caputo (5 articles, 32 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 25 comments) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 1:11:31 PM
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Reasonable doubt
Were Osama bin Laden to stand trial for the three thousand plus murders of ordinary Americans at their jobs on a peaceful fall day, his defense attorney would no doubt try to undermine the government's case with a conspiracy theory directed at the Bush Administration. Undoubtedly, in a court room this tactic would be rebutted by the prosecution as speculation unsupported by fact. There are many scenarios competing for public attention regarding the 9/11/01 attacks. It is most likely however, that al Qaada is solely and independently responsible for the attacks. They claimed they did it, they have committed scores of other attacks and there are operational similarities to al Qaada's other operations and the 9/11/01 attack. We also have a great deal of evidence from the conspirators themselves that all but disqualifies them as US government operatives. Even in the shady world of terrorism, people are tangible and their lives are documented. It seems clear from testimony in the trial of perpetrators of the first WTC bombing and from findings publicized by the 9/11 Commission that the Bush Administration was negligent in its efforts to fend off the attack. The French government offered definitive proof that at least six of the hijackers were terrorists with connections with groups known for hijacking aircraft when they were cleared for flight school. The President refused to demand actionable intelligence when he was officially briefed in August 01 that al Qaada was planning an attack. The FBI failed to connect the dots and discern a pattern of conspiracy when a hijacker was arrested in the summer of 01. It is a fatal flaw, a sign of American hubris, left and right that we concoct conspiracy theories when plain old incompetence is the reason for failure. By his own admission, repeated in dozens of speeches, GW Bush's view of the world changed after 9/11. Had the Administration displayed alertness and followed through with vigorous demands for actionable intelligence in the summer of 01, the tragedy may have been avoided. Instead, they behaved with their typical complacency and sluggishness. The facts lead inescapably to one conclusion. Bush was asleep at the switch then and is overcompensating now. The truth is bad enough, let's not compound the problem and encouage the right by making wild claims. Robert Chapman Lansing, NY by Robert Chapman (28 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 1:57:24 PM
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Reply: Robert, Take a Walk on the Wild Side
Hey Robert, About a year ago I thought a lot like you on 9/11, but then I slowly began listening to the arguments 9/11 alternative theorists were making. And you know what, I had to agree with them on many counts. There were just too many inconvenient truths (sorry Al Gore) staring me in the face. The epiphany for me was when I was watching the documentary, 911 Mysteries, Part 1: Demolitions, and there was a camera shot of the wreckage at ground zero in proximity to some of the remaining massive steel columns. There, right before my eyes, stood this core column with, not a distorted or badly melted top edge as you would expect, but rather with a very neat 45 degree shear all the way across it, with steel slag still prevalent below the cut line. Well, since I used to work in a shipyard as a shipfitter and burner, I immediately knew that only two things could theoretically produce a cut with residual slag like that: a burner with an acetylene torch or a shaped charge. Since steel that wide and thick is extremely hard to cut neatly with a torch (rather you have to gouge it out with a gouging tip) and a torch would take a long time to boot, that leaves only the other explanation for such a neat cut, practically speaking: a shaped charge. Either way, some prick cut that column. If you want to see a photo of one such column, go to: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.html and scroll down to the very bottom photo with the firemen in the foreground and the column in the background. Another good website is (there are many): click here by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1414 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 5:37:30 PM
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American Thinker Misnamed
The American Thinker is a blatant misnomer for the ideologues who ferment in this reactionary, toxic brew. A more apt name would be The American S**t for Brains, because their consciousnous is stuck somewhere around the first Chakra, constipated with "fight or flight" paranoia and fantasies. Yes, the full truth about 9/11 would be dangerous, dangerous to their delusions and sado-masochistic assaults on humanity. They would lose their prime instrument of demonization. by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1414 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 2:35:43 PM
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The Usual Suspects in the 9.11 "BS Movement"
I was handed the Counterpunch issue by someone who had come to my hood in CA, from NYC. Check out the writer's credentials. He apparently is employed by our wonderful Nuclear Mafia, hardly the kind of "scientific" authority you would want rebutting 9.11 Conspiracy Theories, if you were Alexander C., but perhaps no one else applied. Then, if that's not enough for a laugh and a scream, go to www.skeptic.com and read some of the embarrassing rigging of facts about BLDG. 7, et al, posing as a rebuttal argumentation there, from their recent cover story, in largest bold type, on 9.11. It's not unlike Gerald Posner, who's been churning out arrogant and insulting "rebuttals" of the JFK Assassination analyses for decades. It seems like there will always be these shills who will tarnish their already suspicious credentials, available at a moment's notice to defame all the serious work done on this issue. Note, please, that they rarely, if ever, address the more serious authors' work, such as David Ray Griffin, but create a whole army of straw men that they then proceed to knock off in summary execution. There's just too much bribe money in this country. by muservin (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 78 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 4:59:08 PM
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Newsletters to Legislators and Media Are Not Spam
{{{{ Below is a current sample of a compilation I send to media and legislators and other "opinion makers" etc. I'm placing it here and at other forums, comment places, etc. in the hope that some who have the time and inclination will do something similar. (Hopefully a lot of people are ALREADY doing something like this.) I recommend people consider sending their own unique compilations, on a regular, updated basis, to as many legislators (state and/or federal), and media as they can handle. I am able to send to a list of around 1500 approximately once a week. One of the easiest ways to accumulate such a list is by using congress.org . Their government lists are easy to find and use. Their media lists are also extensive, and can be found far down the left side index. One can concentrate on one's own state, or go nationwide. Once one gets one's list(s) into one's address book and one's message in draft, the mailing, while time-consuming (especially with dial-up), is "automatic pilot," allowing one to keep up on Air America or whatever, while visions of firing squads dance in one's head. Ha Ha Just kidding about "firing squads." Sort of.}}}} ======================================================= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================= Post proofs that brotherhood is not so wild a dream as those who profit by postponing it pretend.... ~~Norman Corwin S O M E O F T H E A B O V E N E W S ============================================================================================================== From YES!Magazine Winter 2007 Issue: Go Local! Local Energy, Local Power by Winona LaDuke Tribes lead the way to energy democracy with local control of renewable production http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=1553 ======================================================= Politically Correct or Factually Correct About 9/11 I have decided on a New Year resolution. I am going to stop beating around the bush (no pun intended) when it comes to the events of 9/11. I have seen enough to know for a fact that the official explanation about 9/11 is a crock and that most of the evidence indicates that it was an inside job. In the past I have refrained from openly discussing this in some circles because I wanted to avoid getting into uncomfortable social situations. But I have now decided that I am the one who is made to feel uncomfortable when 9/11 is referred to as defined by the official story. I have learned many things about the event. I have also learned that when I tell people about some of these facts more often than not they listen. I have learned that information is more powerful than personal opinion and I am armed with a lethal amount of information where it comes to 9/11. From now on, regardless of the venue, when the issue is raised I am going to speak my mind.... http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=529 ======================================================= Where Are The Bodies? DEAD PEOPLE DON'T TALK. And people say that 9/11 couldn't possibly be an inside job because "someone would talk." Not if they were rounded up in the big CIA disappearances in the DAYS after 9/11. They lost no time at all rounding up people. Anyone who could have provided information is dead now. Bank on it. click here ======================================================= "Progressive" Pundits: B O W L I N G I N S L O V A K I A [The writer of this review focuses on the lethal CAREERISM of the Neo-cons and Neo-liberals; but the craven careerist hacks embeded in some of the most influential "progressive" media are at least as dangerous to our democracy: David Corn of The Nation magazine, for instance, is currently RUNNING AN AD on Air America Radio frantically urging us to leave off questioning the Bush regime's account of 9/11 (even though scientific polls clearly show that only SIXTEEN PERCENT of Americans accept that account!), and to banish impeachment from our thoughts! Some of the others who are advancing their careers by helping the Neo-cons and the Neo-libs to squelch questioning and investigation of their crimes: Alexander Cockburn of counterpunch@counterpunch.com , Ed Schultz of ed@edschultzshow.com , The Young Turks of theyounturk@yahoo.com . Then there is the new "democratic" site http://www.buzzflash.net which with great fanfare advertises that its readers can vote on its articles for importance and relevance -- but anything having to do with 9/11 or anything the least bit critical of the Israeli government is instantly deleted from the site! Karl Rove could learn from these people. And we must not forget to include in this list of treachery the grand old man of Manufacturing Consent himself: Noam Chomsky, diligently manufacturing cover-up for the most dangerous regime in US history!] From: LONDON REVIEW OF BOOKS Vol. 29 No. 1 dated 4 January 2007 Dragon-Slayers by Corey Robin "....Many people believe that great crimes come from terrible ideas: Marxism, racism and Islamic fundamentalism gave us the Gulag, Auschwitz and 9/11. It was the singular achievement of [Hannah Arendt's book] EICHMANN IN JERUSALEM, however, to remind us that the worst atrocities often arise from the simplest of vices. And few vices, in Arendt's mind, were more vicious than careerism. 'The East is a career,' Disraeli wrote. And so was the Holocaust, according to Arendt. 'What for Eichmann was a job, with its daily routine, its ups and downs, was for the Jews quite literally the end of the world.' Genocide, she insisted, is work. If it is to be done, people must be hired and paid; if it is to be done well, they must be supervised and promoted. "Eichmann was a careerist of the first order. He had 'no motives at all', Arendt insisted, 'except for an extraordinary diligence in looking out for his personal advancement'. He joined the Nazis because he saw in them an opportunity to 'start from scratch and still make a career', and 'what he fervently believed in up to the end was success.' Late in the war, as Nazi leaders brooded in Berlin over their impending fate and that of Germany, Eichmann was fretting over superiors' refusing to invite him to lunch. Years later, he had no memory of the Wannsee ['final solution'] Conference, but clearly remembered bowling with senior officials in Slovakia. "....Most modern theorists, from Montesquieu to the American Framers to Hayek, have considered ambition and careerism to be checks against, rather than conduits of, oppression and tyranny.... "The main reason for the contemporary evasion of Arendt's critique of careerism, however, is that addressing it would force a confrontation with the dominant ethos of our time. In an era when capitalism is assumed to be not only efficient but also a source of freedom, the careerist seems like the agent of an easy-going tolerance and pluralism. Unlike the ideologue, whose great sin is to think too much and want too much from politics, the careerist is a genial caretaker of himself. He prefers the marketplace to the corridors of state power. He is realistic and pragmatic, not utopian or fanatic. That careerism may be as lethal as idealism, that ambition is an adjunct of barbarism, that some of the worst crimes are the result of ordinary vices rather than extraordinary ideas: these are the implications of EICHMANN IN JERUSALEM that neo-cons and neoliberals alike find too troubling to acknowledge." http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n01/print/robi02_.html ======================================================= Esteemed Professor and Law Expert Warns Of Police State Francis A Boyle says 9/11 was allowed to happen, war on terror is facilitating the downfall of The Republic, concentration camps are in place and US citizens are the targets click here ======================================================= Report rebukes FBI over Okla. City probe By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The FBI failed to fully investigate information suggesting other suspects may have helped Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols with the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, allowing questions to linger more than a decade after the deadly attack, a congressional inquiry concludes. click here ======================================================= From the current issue of THE WASHINGTON FREE PRESS: Does the World Trade Center Study Add Up? by Rodger Herbst [Numbered references appear at end of this article.] ....why did the building disintegrate into dust? ....The study does not attempt to explain why much of the mass of the building vaporized into fine dust.... ....The NIST investigation also omitted or distorted many important aspects of the collapses, including movement of the WTC1 antenna before the adjacent facade, the pyroclastic dust clouds, and pools of molten metal In the WTC basements weeks after the attacks.... ....The NIST study is a product of the Bush administration. An enumeration of the inconsistencies of the NIST study is consistent with a long standing and well documented pattern of Bush administration abuse of the scientific method. The House Committee on Government Reform found "numerous instances where this Administration has manipulated the scientific process and distorted or suppressed scientific findings." On February 18, 2004, over 60 leading scientists, including Nobel laureates, signed a statement that "The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease". Since then, over 9000 additional scientists and engineers have signed on. [7] A clear example of distortion of scientific knowledge was seen in the subsequent declaration by EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman that the "air is safe" in Manhattan a week after the attacks. In fact, according to top scientists, the air at Ground Zero was highly corrosive, and a "significant threat to health." The White House Council on Environmental Quality directed the EPA to edit the scientific findings "based on how it should be released publicly."[8].... [Rodger Herbst has a bachelor degree in Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering and a master degree in Mechanical Engineering.] click here ======================================================= DEAD ON ARRIVAL The NIST 911 Report On The World Trade Center Collapse By Mark H. Gaffney http://rense.com/general74/nist.htm ======================================================= 9/11 Signs of The 9/11 Times "I'm going to keep pushing WTC 7 until I have little kids saying: "'Mommy, what's WTC 7 mean?'... "If any of you have any ideas for signs, let me know. "I'm hoping that these signs will help me recruit for the local 9/11 study and activist groups that I will be starting in the new year...." http://911blogger.com/node/4968#comment ======================================================= Dam Breaks On 9/11 Truth Lynch and Brolin re-focus attention, will more Hollywood personalities follow in their footsteps? Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Thursday, December 7, 2006 Two more major influential Hollywood stars using their fame to attract attention to 9/11 truth proves the dam is breaking and.... click here ======================================================= [COUNTERPUNCH-DRUNK 9/11 COVER-UP] Michael Keefer on Alex Cockburn's anti-9/11 skeptic stance. Into the Ring with Counterpunch on 9/11: How Alexander Cockburn, Otherwise So Bright, Blanks Out on 9/11 Evidence click here ======================================================= William Rodriguez Featured in Devon Newspaper and Interviewed on BBC Bristol Hero of 9/11 Won't Stop Speaking Out Against Bush One minute he was going about his business, the next he was looking at a vision from the depths of hell. Still reeling from a blast which rocked the World Trade Center, William Rodriguez could hardly believe what he was seeing."A man came running into the office shouting 'explosion, explosion!'" Mr Rodriguez soon saw a third of his body had been badly burnt by the blast. "When I realised, I started screaming. I looked at his face and it was missing parts." It was the start of a day that transformed Mr Rodriguez from a maintenance man to the hero of 9/11... click here ======================================================= Barrett: Academic freedom is good policy By KEVIN BARRETT (Barrett is a part-time lecturer at UW- Madison.) Wisconsin State Journal In the former Soviet Union, the monopoly media acted as cheerleader for a brutal, repressive government. Dissident academics were silenced, fired, or institutionalized. For two or three years after 9/11, our media served as a megaphone for Bush administration lies, and academics were intimidated into silence.... ....The excuse that my position is marginal no longer holds, given that only 16 percent of the American people believe the government is telling the truth about 9/11 (New York Times poll) and 36 percent of Americans, and half of New Yorkers, believe top US officials conspired to commit mass murder and high treason on 9/11 (Scripps-Howard and Zogby polls). 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MAY THE WORLD SEE MANY MORE!] Read entire column: http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_4543650 ======================================================= GORE VIDAL http://www.911blogger.com/node/4017 Literary giant says 9/11 allowed to happen, slams Bush administration coup de'tat of American freedom ========================== B E W E T H E M E D I A ========================== ======================================================= HELP STOMP OUT HUMAN-ANIMAL HYBRID KLEPTOCRATS! 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UNREASONABLE DOUBT
Robert Chapman is grossly ignorant of the known facts of September 11th, and therefore has posited a sophomoric "incompetence theory" version, which doesn't stand up to scrutiny. "Were Osama bin Laden to stand trial..." The FBI has no "hard evidence" to connect Osama to 9-11, and his Most Wanted page does not mention this attack, at all. Put that through your mind again. "this tactic would be rebutted by the prosecution as speculation unsupported by fact." Except, there are numerous facts you have no knowledge of, which you are unable to think about due to your own ignorance. "It is most likely however, that al Qaada is solely and independently responsible for the attacks." Senator Bob Graham tells us that state sponsorship was involved, yet he will not name the state. The head of Pakistani intelligence ordered $100,000 to the "lead hijacker Atta, yet this is covered up and unmentioned in official "investigations." The ISI chief resigned immediately after exposure by Indian intelligence, yet he remains conspicuously missing from the FBI most wated list. "They claimed they did it, they have committed scores of other attacks and there are operational similarities to al Qaada's other operations and the 9/11/01 attack." This is a huge grey area which you don't know what you're getting into. For starters bin Laden denied any connection to 9-11 in two newspaper interviews right after 9-11. If this was his great success, as you perceive it, then that is inexplicable. Further, a fake tape of bin laden "confessing" was produced, where the actor does not resemble him at all. This is tell tale giveaway that intelligence services are manufacturing evidence, as they have done ever since. The Fake bin Laden Video Tape http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html "We also have a great deal of evidence from the conspirators themselves that all but disqualifies them as US government operatives." Nonsense, the CIA has used every sordid type of scumbag operative imaginable over its criminal history. They collude with drug dealers, mafia, murderers and rapists and whomever will give them what they want. "Even in the shady world of terrorism, people are tangible and their lives are documented." Yes and Mohamed Atta's "best friend" and "brother" was a German (now a US citizen) named Wolfgang Bohringer, who claims to work for the CIA. It got him out of jail recently, after trying to set up a covert flight school in Fanning Island in the South Pacific. "It seems clear from testimony in the trial of perpetrators of the first WTC bombing and from findings publicized by the 9/11 Commission that the Bush Administration was negligent in its efforts to fend off the attack." Criminal negligence is a crime. If you admit to criminal negligence, where 2974 people die, by more than one person, then we have by definition a conspiracy. Further, we have treason and the dereliction of duty to protect and defend the USA. There's not much more to say at this point, except remove the administration immediately and investigate every scrap of paper, every email they have ever produced. "The French government offered definitive proof that at least six of the hijackers were terrorists with connections with groups known for hijacking aircraft when they were cleared for flight school." This is a spin that doesn't seem to make sense, to me. Where is your documentation they were "cleared" for "the flight school?" Who specifically, For which flight school? The French government told Minneapolis FBI that Moussaoui was a terrorist after they had investigated him for learning to "steer" a 747. When Coleen Rowley made a FISA warrant application it was intercepted by FBI counterterrorism headquarters and REWRITTEN so that it would fail to be approved. The man who obstructed Rowley's investigation was promoted and given bonuses, rather than arrested. "The President refused to demand actionable intelligence when he was officially briefed in August 01 that al Qaada was planning an attack." You don't know the half of it. Ashcroft tells acting head of FBI he doesn't want to hear any more about terrorism. Period. This was around the time Ashcroft stopped flying commerical jet because of a "threat assessment" by FBI. It is also the same time that George Tenet's "hair was on fire" because of so many terrorism warnings coming in from around the world, including a dozen foreign intelligence services. It was also the same time the Bush was removed from his high rise hotel in Genoa Italy because of a "known Al Qaeda plot to assassinate Bush and other world leaders" by crashing a commercial, hijacked jet into the summit. The Coluumbus Airport in Genoa was ringed by anti aircraft missiles in case of that exact scenario. Your kind doesn't understand the significance of Genoa. This is not "incompetence", when you sit in a classroom in a highly public place after two hijacked airliners crash into high value targets. Not after the Secret Service was already made aware of perps, method of attack, target (assassination of Bush), and the current multi hijacking emergencey situatation at FAA. That's not incompetence. That's a plan. "The FBI failed to connect the dots and discern a pattern of conspiracy when a hijacker was arrested in the summer of 01." The FBI is compromised and squashed numerous investigations. That is why John Oneil resigned during that "hair on fire" timeframe. They were being thwarted, deliberately, from the headquarters. "It is a fatal flaw, a sign of American hubris, left and right that we concoct conspiracy theories when plain old incompetence is the reason for failure." Your own hubris know no limits. "By his own admission, repeated in dozens of speeches, GW Bush's view of the world changed after 9/11." That IS the official story. What point do you think you are making? Paul Oneill told us that attacking Iraq was "topic A" ten days after the inauguration. "Had the Administration displayed alertness and followed through with vigorous demands for actionable intelligence in the summer of 01, the tragedy may have been avoided." That is the point. Further, flight schools in America are a place where drug netorks operate, such as Huffman aviation, where Atta and four others allegedly "trained." Atta had pilot licenses from several countries during this training. These flight schools are protected. At Huffman, one of their planes was busted with 43 pounds of heroin the month Atta showed up. The pilot was never prosecuted. "Instead, they behaved with their typical complacency and sluggishness." And they sabotaged investigations. "Bush was asleep at the switch then and is overcompensating now." Bush was a pawn, and he takes orders, now as then. "The truth is bad enough, let's not compound the problem and encouage the right by making wild claims." The truly "wild claims" are made by the white house, and now by you. http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/ by johndoraemi (17 articles, 12 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 166 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Dec 27, 2006 at 1:22:26 AM
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Extremely dangerous, indeed
Conspiracy Theory: The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory By definition, the 911 Commission Report is a conspiracy theory, the conspiracy being that Osama Bin Laden masterminded and conspired with nineteen Islamic fundamentalists to: • Board four different commercial airliners without purchasing tickets or being listed on the passenger manifests of any of the flights; • To hijack these four planes • To skirt the most elaborate air defense system on the planet, and • To fly two of them into WTC 1 & 2, a third into The Pentagon and the forth into the White House. This elaborate plan succeeded in bringing down three WTC buildings (even though only two were hit by planes) by causing such intense heat that steel beams weakened resulting in the collapse of the buildings, one floor onto the next and doing it all at freefall speed. This heat was so intense and selective that, although the steel beams were compromised, a stash of gold bullion was recovered from WTC, even though gold has a lower melting point than structural steel. This plan succeeded in flying a Boeing jet into the Pentagon with such force as to cause the plane to essentially disintegrate, leaving only a 16-foot hole in the wall of the building. Yet, autopsy identifications of the passengers was successful, proving without doubt that human flesh & bone is more substantial than the framework used by Boeing in the construction of their aircraft. This plan was foiled to a degree by a band of heroic passengers who overtook the hijackers of Flight 93 resulting in a near-vertical dive into a field in Shanksville, PA, and an entire jet, luggage, and passengers vanishing into a 10x15 foot hole, not much bigger than one would expect by dropping one of those big Lincoln Navigators from 30,000 feet. On this one, I think I have to agree with Michael Lopez-Calderon that "Conspiracy theories offer explanatory models of complex events to large audiences of the unsophisticated and under-educated." It appears Lopez-Calderon describes himself quite well. by Angelo (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 209 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Dec 27, 2006 at 10:37:43 AM
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9/11 Skepticism
I can only wish that the editors of the Nation, the Skeptic, and others who continue to ridicule the 9/11 Truth Movement would invest the 90 minutes they need to view "9/11 Mysteries" (available on Google Videos, or at 911weknow.com). If, after viewing this superb piece of painstaking forensic analysis (which focuses exclusively on the collapse of the Twin Towers and Building 7, and examines prima facie evidence mostly, backed by expert testimony, and that avoids speculation or "conspiracy theories" altogether) you STILL believe the "official story" of 9/11, please explain yourself. The First Law of Thermodynamics admits no exceptions: Energy output MUST equal energy input, and steel-frame buildings don't simply and spontaneously crumble right through themselves--along the path of greatest resistance--at freefall rate, without a collateral energy source--that is, controlled and timed demolition charges. I challenge ANYONE at all to refute the evidence laid out meticulously and thoroughly in this film! by Tom Ellis (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments) on Friday, Feb 9, 2007 at 3:35:40 PM
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