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December 20, 2005 at 11:16:28

FBI Lied--the WTC black boxes were found

by Dave Lindorff (Posted by Rob Kall)     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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This article appeared first as a special report in the December 20 issue of Counterpunch magazine

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.




Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.


Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two--a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane's speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane's cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane's tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.


All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.


But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.


There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes' data, says, "It's very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it's also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings."


Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites--including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI--says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.


"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."


The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. "No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center," says the NTSB's Lopatkiewicz. "At least none were delivered to us by the FBI." He adds that the agency has "always had a good relationship" with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.


For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. "To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them," says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.


What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.


If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.


Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation's "War on Terror" and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.


Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.


Dave Lindorff publishes thiscantbehappening.net

 

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Charlie Levenson is a writer and activist in Portland, Oregon. In addition to serving as the Manager of Electronic Communications for a social/athletic club in Portland, he instructs in Digital Media at Portland State University, consults on communications strategy, and occasionally writes/directs videos.
Charlie LCharlie Levenson is a writer and activist in Portland, Oregon. In addition to serving as the Manager of Electronic Communications for a social/athletic club in Portland, he instructs in Digital Media at Portland State University, consults on communications strategy, and occasionally writes/directs videos.

Don't waste the energy -- 9/11 truth will NEVER come out

While I know that there are a few stray decent human beings in this Republican Administration who can't believe what has been done since December 12, 2000 (the day that Democracy died in the USA), it is still impossible to imagine that ANY configuration of progressive, independent and/or truth-seeking forces could bring this story to light.

Think about it. Virtually EVERYTHING that this Republican administration has done has been based on the "public story" of what happened on 9/11/01. Even today, four years later, the Republicans use 9/11 as a bludgeon against those few Democrats in office who won't roll over and play dead for whatever they want, whether it be illegal wiretaps of U.S. Citizens, suspension of Habeas Corpus, or an illegal and ill-founded war in Iraq. They just shout out "9/11" and the people cower and the politicians bend over, and they get what they want.

If it was proven to be a lie that they participated in creating, then EVERYTHING that followed is a lie and all of their actions suspect and their entire regime illegitimate. The Republicans (just about ANY avowed Republican who didn't recant) would be subject to being shot in the street or beaten to death with a brick, and how could ANYBODY not consider it justified. Forget impeachment, it would be REVOLUTION! Remember Denny Smith, the truck driver pulled from his car and beaten during the L.A. Riots? It would be like that for every Republican Senator, Congressman, Mayor, Governor, City Council member, school-board member, election board member (especially), and probably even SUV-driver with a "W" sticker on their car. It would be OPEN SEASON on Republicans and the entire structure of our government would collapse into military dictatorship and OPEN fascism (as opposed to the more subtle, media-controlled, corporate mandated kind we have now).

At the very least, if 9/11 were revealed to be other than as it has been presented, the Republican Party would cease to exist, having about as much stature as the Nazi party has today. This is actually as big a threat to the Democrats as it is to the Republicans, for without the Republicans to challenge them, the Democrats would have to battle PROGRESSIVE forces such as the Greens, Citizens, Progressives and Libertarians who have REAL ideas to present against the corporate control of our government and nation. That is a battle they would not want, and are much more prepared to be the "minority party" that gets 49% of the vote (and some limited power and money).

So, the truth about 9/11/01 can NEVER come to light. EVER. It's not even like the JFK assassination, where after 40 years, the truth can begin to dribble out, and in another 20 (after Sen. Specter is dead), we might actually here that "the government" (now all dead) lied to us.

No, we will never get the truth on this one -- there's just a little too much at stake for people with way too much power. Sorry.

Charlie L
Portland, OR

by Charlie L (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 715 comments) on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 1:01:34 PM
 


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Dom JermanoAmerican against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.

Thanks; Charlie in the Box

Thanks Charlie you gave us more reason to not trust anyone and added more weight to the Republican lies.

Good republicans should be supporting investigations, those who do not are the conspirators.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 7:13:47 PM
 



Bambic

"Pilotless Military Aircraft"?

If this was the case, how do these folks explain what happened to the innocent people who boarded commercial flights on 9/11?
I'm extremely open-minded about the whole thing, but this theory is really far-out...unless the Bermuda Triangle expanded that day over Manhattan...

by Bambic (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments) on Saturday, December 31, 2005 at 2:04:12 PM
 

 

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