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February 29, 2008 at 16:17:09

Headlined on 2/29/08:
Is It Too Late to Drive Out Bush?

by Cheryl Abraham     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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By November 2008 America will have chosen her next president and if all the hype and promises prove true we are all in for a huge change. Many people have diverted their attention from the anti-war movement and are actively supporting and putting all their energies into the Obama or Clinton campaigns believing that the upcoming election will be the cure-all for what ails the country.  Just try to email or talk to some of these candidate’s more fervent supporters about the fact that Obama and Clinton are not addressing and not actively repudiating the Bush agenda and you will usually get a vehemently defensive reply. It’s as if some these supporters are so infatuated with these candidates and the hoped for changes they are promising that they can’t or won’t look at the weaknesses of these candidates. A common opinion is that there’s only a few months left in Bush’s term and then he and his administration will be gone and the Bush era will be over and what’s important now is to concentrate on electing a new president who promises change, and to do otherwise at this point is a waste of time. Is it a waste of time to continue to drive out the Bush regime? What is at stake in the next several months if Bush is not driven from office?

While Americans concentrate on the ’08 elections American soldiers and Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians will continue to die, thousands will continue to be injured and permanently maimed, detainees will continue to be tortured, human rights will continue to be obliterated, and Bush will continue his warmongering after Iran. In five years over a million Iraqis have died, and over 4,048 American soldiers have died in Iraq, over 70,000 people had been detained in deplorable conditions, and hundreds have been tortured in this “War on Terror”. The daily life of women and children who still survive in these affected countries continues to deteriorate. (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=2282)  With these statistics it is reasonable to assume that over the next eleven months that another 200,000 Iraqis will die, another 800 American soldiers will also die, and perhaps another 14,000 detainees will be subjected to the deplorable treatment that Bush has codified and made into law. Are these deaths acceptable? Can we ignore this horror to concentrate on an election?

Just as sinister is the possibility that there will be no election at all. A terrorist attack, natural disaster, or perceived civil unrest could launch the U.S. into a state of martial law. The possibility of the suspension of an election is not unheard of, it was widely publicized that Mayor Rudy Giuliani attempted to suspend the elections in NYC in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2008/01/an-oral-history.html  What would stop Bush from doing likewise in the event of martial law being declared?

Bush has long since laid the groundwork for unprecedented power and control over the citizens of the US in the event of any perceived danger, real, imagined, or purposely manufactured. Bush has also signed an executive order giving himself the power to seize the assets of anyone impeding the Iraq war, anyone, that would include any US citizen, peace activist, clergy, anyone working to stop the Iraq war. http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html 

Even more frightening, with the passing of the John Warner Defense Act of 2006 Bush obliterated Posse Comitatus and gave himself the power to suspend the Constitution. As James Bovard writes in his article “The Martial Law Act of 2006”, “Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from "Insurrection Act" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act." The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only "to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy." The new law expands the list of pretexts to include "natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition" -- and such a "condition" is not defined or limited.” http://www.counterpunch.org/bovard01092008.html 

In a February 2008 San Francisco Chronicle article entitled, “Rule by fear or rule by law?” Lewis Seiler and Dan Hamburg wrote:

“Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.”

The article goes on to say:  “Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51” http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

Another frightening development is the power the FBI has given to corporations in the event of martial law. Mathew Rothschild, editor of The Progressive, wrote in a February 2008 article, “Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does -- and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to "shoot to kill" in the event of martial law. InfraGard is "a child of the FBI," says Michael Hershman, the chairman of the advisory board of the InfraGard National Members Alliance and CEO of the Fairfax Group, an international consulting firm.http://www.alternet.org/story/76388/

With these facts in mind it is obvious that each one of us needs to be focused not on what they have to gain by a newly elected president but instead should focus on preventing the Bush agenda from continuing. We cannot allow ourselves to be distracted by unsubstantiated promises from presidential candidates. While millions are showing up to vote for the democratic primaries, there is no guarantee that the democratic candidate will win the election. Look at what happened in the 2000 and 2004 elections, the circumstances surrounding those elections prove that it’s possible that McCain could win. If McCain wins it is absolutely guaranteed that not only will the Bush agenda continue it will be expanded. And because neither Clinton nor Obama are actively calling for a complete repudiation of the fascistic policies of the Bush regime the changes they promise should they win the election will be superficial at best, and most if not all of the Bush agenda will continue unchallenged.

Many supporters of the democratic candidates will argue that their candidate has promised to close Guantanamo, to end the war, to repeal the Military Commissions Act and so forth, but why have these candidates not done so already? Neither candidate has put forth legislation to do this now, in fact they have voted to fund the war, and neither have filibustered or fought long, hard, and loudly to pass legislation to restore habeas corpus rights, or to stop the illegal spying on Americans, in fact they have not filibustered or fought long, hard, and loudly to stop any of the policies that power the Bush agenda. What does this say about the abilities and passion of these candidates to promote and create change in the future?

It is said that the very definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results, but Americans continue to do the same thing over and over by investing time, effort, beliefs and hope into a system that continues to exploit and wreak murderous havoc over the face of the earth. It is not that the democratic process of elections and voting is so wrong, it is that is has proven powerless to put a halt to the Bush agenda. And while the policies of the Bush regime are arguably the actions of a criminally insane government, the Bush agenda, indeed the agenda of the United States has wrought and wielded unprecedented power by aggressively changing, codifying and ignoring the rule of law and will continue to do so as long as those who are on board with this agenda remain in power, whether under the rule of George W. Bush or the next elected president. In light of the continual propensity of the Bush regime to thirst for more power, more resources, and more horror it is the responsibility of every citizen and every soldier to do much more than simply cast a vote.  It is the responsibility of every person with a conscience, to the best of their ability to do so, to Stop the Business as Usual, to end the wars for empire, to proclaim to the world that We Won’t Live in a Torture State, and to Drive Out the Bush Regime now.

 

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Cheryl AbrahamArtist, Activist, Wife, Mother, Human Being

Thanks

Keep up the good work!

by Cheryl Abraham (13 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 92 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 2:08:30 PM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee.
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee.

Gee ... I wish I would have said this

Thank you. I can't express how much your words resonated.

I've watched in awe as pragmatism turned to giddy optimism and rationality was abandoned for false hope. How could it be that when one knows of the horrors perpetrated by these cretins they believe they would suddenly relinquish all their power to someone they haven't already decided was the best shill to forester their agenda?

How far removed is Obama, Clinton or McCain from Kucinich, Paul, Gravel and McKinney? Light years. Yet, here we have masses of people, again like they have before, lining up to have their hearts broken one more time.

What makes people think that a government - if one can even call it that any more - that has murdered 3,000 of its people in broad daylight, and as many if not more in its aftermath, lied us into an illegal war that has cost 1,000,000+ lives, tortured, raped, murdered, looted a nations treasury, blatantly stolen elections, wouldn't project through their means of controlling the media a false prophet?

And of course that's even if there should be an election. For any criminal organization that has gotten away with what these cretins have already, are capable of anything. And considering the times we're in, with all that's sliding away, we don't have any time to waste. For it may already be too late.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 1059 comments) on Friday, February 29, 2008 at 11:55:54 PM
 


a concerned citizen and supporter of a new Coalition 3rd Party; as well as the Open Source Energy Movement!
Steve Windisch (jibbguy)a concerned citizen and supporter of a new Coalition 3rd Party; as well as the Open Source Energy Movement!

Not too late... but too hard for most to bother?

Great article.

What is most sad is our inability to make it happen despite the clear and present danger that Bush so obviously poses to the world. The Senate has become powerless; Rove must be holding photos of them all with latex-coated hookers... Or perhaps they only care about re-election? The same affliction holds the majority of the House in thrawl; only a brave few such as Dennis Kucinich or Robert Wexler dare take on the machine (...and are punished for it).

The out-and-out craven cowardice of Congress aside, we struggle with a corrupt and controlled mainsream media that refuses to EVEN mention the "I" word... As if it stood for "incest" or something else equally taboo. There is not enough information getting out there for the sheaple without any clue beyond what Brittany's latest boyfriend is saying, to have any comprehension of just how bad its actually gotten. Imagine, if we woke up out of a 7-year coma, and someone tried to tell us that our beloved America has become Germany in 1932..... It just doesn't compute to them yet.... In fact it's almost too horrible for many of us to be willing to grasp; even if when we know the score.

The Obama religion does not help: It is as if a panacea has decended to solve all out problems and usher in the "Age of Aquarius".... People with little understanding of political events over the last years are suddenly "energized", but to what end? To that of cult of personality, not of reason. If Obama has not called for Impeachment... Then it must not be needed, right? 

Eh, no.... It means that Obama has neglected his duty to America and  has refused to take a moral stance (..one of many) that could endanger his election prospects. But since he's only 1 out of 100, then its ok? Wrong again. Leadership means taking tough stances. Of taking the lead before it is popular, to popularlize it. But seeing how he is a mainstream candidate, it is silly for us to expect that. And it would seem, silly to try to explain this to his acolytes.

A breakthough in the media is needed. Until that happens we are wearing robes and long white beards, carrying signs that say: "The End is Near!" on city corners, ignored by those who hurry by as they head for lunch. But how do we do that?

I believe the best way is for the brave few in Congress to unite and announce a new Caucus for Impeachment. If they can get enough souls with the cajones, perhaps 30, to call a press conference, it should force MSM to cover it; breaking the taboo and jump starting the wider public debate; and even more importantly, making it an important campaign issue all across the nation.

Because there is more at stake than the November elections. Our very souls are at stake. And if there are not enough willing to take a dangerous stance, risk their careers in the name of Rule of Law, of civilization... Then we have proven that as a people, we do not deserve these things. We have become collaborators with that which we despise.  

by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 131 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 12:46:34 AM
 


A political junky from childhood cut my teeth on vietnam era protests.Have lived in Bucks county all my life.My favaorite saying" Good ani't cheap and cheap ain't good,never has been never will be"
tjbA political junky from childhood cut my teeth on vietnam era protests.Have lived in Bucks county all my life.My favaorite saying" Good ani't cheap and cheap ain't good,never has been never will be"

incriminating evidence

What happened to the DC madame case and the phone ties to Chaney's phone. You wouldn't think those girls would use web cams or other hidden cams as they satisfied every kinky desire of our lonely congress critters and then throw in tapes of the pretty boy news persons and there you have some leverage. He does have a man sized safe on our government property, filled on our time. He may have some rather interesting videos some people would rather not be posted on the web,no?

by tjb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 179 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 7:14:08 AM
 


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beccyI am a social worker who works with chronically mentally ill people.  Like enjoy reading, quilting and visiting with people

Not to late.

I find that the media is trying to report everything but the news.  I am sick to death of their 24/7 pushing Obama and Clinton down our throats.  They picked the cadidate for us.  I feel like I should be excited about the election but I am not.  No one is going to hold the king accountable.  I want my real president not some rock star.  Anyone can learn to give a good speech. 

by beccy (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 87 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 4:39:07 PM
 


This quote summarizes the nature of my concerns and the content of personal experiences which stir my activism:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves". --Paul Revere, House of Commons

Kathryn SmithThis quote summarizes the nature of my concerns and the content of personal experiences which stir my activism:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves". --Paul Revere, House of Commons

The more time goes on, the more convinced I become that...

Congress is deliberate, not powerless.

Too many laws have been broken too many times, not only by Bush, but by Congress too. They continue to pass unconstitutional laws, one after the next. They treat signing statements as the rule of the land. They refuse to raise a peep or a hand to oust two violent criminals from public office. Obviously they are in support of....

War without end. The Great Depression Revisited. Warrantless wiretapping. Warrantless arrests without probable cause. Torture. etc.... you name it.

FYI Obama and Clinton both voted for the Patriot Act, ie warrantless arrests without probable cause for ALL (including AMericans), wiretapping without warrant, capitol punishment without Congressional oversight for immigrants, etc.

McCain as POW voted for torture and specifically voted against Habeas Corpus. And of course, for the Patriot Act.

So is it too late to drive out the Bush clan? With the people we have in Congress, yes.

Is it too late to reclaim our Democracy? Will it recover after the Bushites leave? Alas no way. Things will not magically change in Congress after they have worked hand-and-glove to trash and scrap the Constitution. No way.

The only solution is to get 90% of them out of office.

And the only way to do that is to campaign to challenge their seats in office. See Clean Sweep. com and Pruning Shears if you are interested. God times are desparate and we need *anyone* and *everyone* to run for public office right now. We need about 5 challengers for each Congressional seat to get them the hell out of there. And good riddance.

If Old Abe was a self-made man, why can't you or the next person do it?
Please pass word along. Terribly important. Thank you.

by Kathryn Smith (83 articles, 1 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 303 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 1:13:49 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

It will take more than...

a housecleaning. No one in the GOP can be trusted and only half (if that many) Democrats have a clue. The 'field' is tainted with the corporate money it takes to run a campaign of either stripe. And where does it say in the Constitution that we must be limited to either GOP or Demo? Why can't the people have a real voice?

Obviously --it's going to take much more than a single election to turn things around. Bush represents the nation going far off course. His mere exit won't change much. Fundamental changes in attutide and lots of work are called for. There is no quick fix. 

by Len Hart (119 articles, 153 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 454 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 11:02:49 AM
 


A concerned citizen who wishes to WAKE UP AMERICA to how we are being brainwashed every day by the Powers That Be and that we must use our COMMON SENSE to evaluate what is going on in our country without believing the government who is in charge right now and who has been in charge for over 20 years.
b2008A concerned citizen who wishes to WAKE UP AMERICA to how we are being brainwashed every day by the Powers That Be and that we must use our COMMON SENSE to evaluate what is going on in our country without believing the government who is in charge right now and who has been in charge for over 20 years.

DO SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE!

Maybe we should try something new like DEMANDING CONGRESS TO IMPEACH BEFORE THEY LEAVE OFFICE!

If we ever decide to get smart, maybe we can do that! I'm on every impeachment list I've seen. We need to ask ourselves, individually, have I done my part here?

It seems like people are scared, brainwashed, or totally DUPED when it comes to this administration.

by b2008 (4 articles, 2 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 43 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 8:13:23 AM
 


I'm a 61year old white guy, Veteran of 66-68, operate my own business with my wife and love to travel. Built a big sailboat in the 70's and went sailing for a few years, which ruined me for real work. Now, I fly hot air balloons for a living. Have been initiated as an Andean Paq'o. Yes, I am a liberal.
RogerI'm a 61year old white guy, Veteran of 66-68, operate my own business with my wife and love to travel. Built a big sailboat in the 70's and went sailing for a few years, which ruined me for real work. Now, I fly hot air balloons for a living. Have been initiated as an Andean Paq'o. Yes, I am a liberal.

Congress taking action?

I am at a loss as to why our (our?) Congress is so ineffective.  Just what is the root cause of their actions is difficult to put a finger on but money has got to be at the bottom of it.  The 'bribery' system of campaign contributions coupled with the cushy job perks seems to put 'Keep this Job' at the top of their to do lists.  We the People seem pretty much powerless to effect any positive change to the way things are arranged.  While Republicans can seize a single idea, no matter how inappropriate and unite to bring it to reality, democrats seem not able to work for any idea but their own version of anything and thus devided usually fail.  Which does not seem to prevent them from crowing about what they are 'fighting' for, however ineffectively.

by Roger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 303 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 10:16:42 AM
 


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Rick TheileI have been working as an Architectural Designer for about 25 years. Because of a life tranformation and an awareness of things going on in our world, I found myself disinchanted with what most of us strives for and that is being successful (making a lot of money and having a lot of stuff).I am now focusing on starting a foundation for the preservation of tribal people and the environment. In the early 90's I developed an appreciation and respect for tribal cutlures and I hope I ca...

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What is the point?

Good article Cheryl.

Many Americans would say what is the point of impeachment, his term is almost over. So we let Bush and his administration go scott free for their crimes. So much for the rule of law.

As I have mentioned many times, Americans need to wake up to what is going on. The possibility is very real that Bush would declare martial law. What would most Americans do? Nothing!

by Rick Theile (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 49 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 10:58:09 AM
 


Conservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.
Mad JayhawkConservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.

Questions

You wrote:  " With these statistics it is reasonable to assume that over the next eleven months that another 200,000 Iraqis will die, another 800 American soldiers will also die, and perhaps another 14,000 detainees will be subjected to the deplorable treatment that Bush has codified and made into law."

Let's see  200,000/11 = 181,181 per month or 6,000 per day.  According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ the civilian and defense force casuality rate is around 600 a month for the past 6 months or 20 per day.  6,000 verus 20 per day.  Can you explain your math or is it that you do not know what a trend line is or are you confident in your reader's ignorance of basic googling skills?

Also 800 American soldiers?  72 a month verus 35 per month for the past sux months as shown by icasualties.   

And who knows where you got the 14,000 detainees being brutally tortured and held in terrible conditions?   And isn't it better that handling detainees is codified into law so that our representative have some input on how it is done?  If it isn't being done to your personal satisfaction call your representative and complain using a specific list of actions you think will work better to solve the problem detaining people we think are trying to kill us is hopefully solving.

Credibility goes out the window when you gin up numbers.   I understand that a lot of people actually believe that the surge is not working somehow ignore the fact that casualty rates have plummeted in the past 6 months but that is not a good reason to put your head in the statistical sand and misrepresent the situation.

Everyone will be happy when troops start coming home and that things are stabilized in Iraq to the point a bunch of murderous sectarian and Al Queda thugs aren't randomly killing innocent men, women, children and our troops.  

by Mad Jayhawk (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 205 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 11:12:42 AM
 


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Cheryl AbrahamArtist, Activist, Wife, Mother, Human Being

my numbers

My numbers were a supposition. Does your comment reflect your belief that 35 soldier deaths a month for the next eleven months is acceptable? My calculator says that equals 385 soldier deaths at the end of eleven months but my HEART says THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE!

It is unacceptable to have ONE death for this illegal, immoral, and unjustified war. 

by Cheryl Abraham (13 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 92 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 2:26:33 PM
 


Conservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.
Mad JayhawkConservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.

Impeach McCain or Obama

Start working on impeaching McCain or Obama now.  You waited too late on Bush.  If you had started before he had gotten in office it would be a done deal by now, 7 years later.  To start  impeach someone when they have 10 months left in office is almost insane.  It would take 10 months just get a vote on it and to print up the paper work. 

If you started on Obama and McCain now you could have everything in place by the end of their first year.  By that time they will have committed enough crimes to justify it.  I'll even print up the first poster and leave the name blank for now  - IMPEACH  ___________.   Has a nice ring to it doesn't it?  Count me in.

by Mad Jayhawk (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 205 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 11:28:54 AM
 


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Machinations to start another war are already underway.

As I see it, the recent assassination of Imed Mugniyeh, apparently by Israeli agents, is obviously another attempt to start the big war that the neocons and their colleagues in Israel are demanding. (And if that ultimately doesn't work, the next step may be to simply accelerate the genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians or start murdering people in Lebanon again).

Anyway, this reinforces my belief that the PNAC terrorists presently in power in the U.S. have no intention of leaving the choice of more war up to an "Obama administration" (or some other administration).

Let's face it, not only have the PNACers failed to accomplish their bloody stated goals in the Mideast, but they've actually placed the Empire in a politically, economically and militarily worse situation than it was before. Lastly, many Bush administration operatives (including Bush and Cheney themselves, obviously) may have set themselves up for both civil and criminal prosecution, not the least of which for their complicity in the 911 false-flag attack.

In light of all this, I'm sorry to say I'm rather pessimistic about the future...I can't see the PNACers handing over power to anyone else at the risk of such total failure and criminal liability.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 384 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 12:55:16 PM
 


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Great comments!

I'm so glad to have struck a nerve and to have people really critically thinking about this issue. Most of these comments are very intelligent and well thought out.

What we face as a country is so dire and so immediate, that we cannot let ourselves be distracted by false hope.

I encourage everyone to link to this statement from World Can't Wait - Drive Out the Bush Regime:

click here   This call to action could never be more urgent!

by Cheryl Abraham (13 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 92 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 2:07:49 PM
 


First I am an artist and a teacher. And I am an activist in researching and rectifying the fraud of 9/11. I am a founding member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and a grassroots contact at www.911truth.org. I designed the logo for the Journal of 9/11 Studies.

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Carl WeisFirst I am an artist and a teacher. And I am an activist in researching and rectifying the fraud of 9/11. I am a founding member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and a grassroots contact at www.911truth.org. I designed the logo for the Journal of 9/11 Studies.

My current pledge is to force by persuading key members of the congress, especially members of the Judiciary Committee in the House, addition of a fourth article to the impeach Cheney H.R. 333/799. This is the best ...

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I want to reply to several points

I agree with the point made above that inflating stats is not a good tactic.  There is much debate on the real number of Iraqi civilian casualties.  A million Vietnamese were undoubtedly killed in that war, but that was a fifteen year war in which almost 60,000 American soldiers also died.  Iraq has close to 4000 Americans killed and probably the real toll of civilians is in the 150,000 range (which, were we similarly invaded, would be 1.7 million Americans killed in five years!) with a million displaced from their dwellings.  These estimates are horrific enough without adding a helium generator to them.

Impeachment is not a ten month process, it only seems that way from the past two instances.  The Nixon one was longer than it should have been, but the world was slower then.  The Cheney impeachment can happen as fast as Whittington was shot in the face two years ago.

What is needed is some smarts on the part of those who call for impeachment.  Forget Bush, since Cheney is next in line and has greater vulnerabilities, so MUST be impeached FIRST.  Forget the articles in the Kucinich bill, which are decent enough, but not power-packed.

We have evidence on Cheney in re 9/11 that is powderkeg material. That together with the Plame material can come together real fast, IF the motivation is there.  I would argue to Dems who, if polls are believable, have no cakewalk to the WH next November, that the SURER WAY to an electoral landslide this fall is to impeach Cheney NOW!  And do it by exposing the 9/11 fraud he has committed, exposing the lies HE told the 9/11 Commission about his acts that day.

Anybody who thinks we can change dink without exposing the 9/11 fraud needs to look into the facts of that false flag operation.

by Carl Weis (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 22 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 2:25:21 PM
 


Mail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.
ScottMail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.

Not so fast

Check the recent polls before you start proclaiming Obama will win in a landlide. The most recent I have seen show a statistical dead heat. Am I predicting McCain will beat Obama? Nope. I make no predictions about who will win in November.

If Barack Obama wins in November, then it will be so. The peaceful transfer of power will take place once again next January. There will be no coup. And nobody will be driven out.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 394 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 3:11:41 PM
 


C. R. Touby is a retired music teacher and motel manager. He is now retired, but works as a church treasurer, and choir director. Retirement allows him time to campaign for the causes he supports.
Toby ToubyC. R. Touby is a retired music teacher and motel manager. He is now retired, but works as a church treasurer, and choir director. Retirement allows him time to campaign for the causes he supports.

Couch Potato Progressives

Ms. Abraham,   Thank you for a concise and complete evaluation.

I am so enraged by the "progressives" in our country that say all the right things, but are too comfortable in their niche of Bush America to really fight for the common man.  They have been "bought" by comfort. 

Our government is being stolen from us by the Cheney/Bush cabal.  These TRAITORS must be IMPEACHED!  Then they can be charged with treason, and convicted.
I fear that the present election will yield another insider who will continue aborting of the Constitution of the United States, and its Bill of Rights;  big money owns almost all of Washington, DC.  Or, the next President could prove real patriotism, and turn Bush, Cheney, and the other TRAITORS over to the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.


That would be a true miracle; proof of a just God.

by Toby Touby (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 6:51:25 PM
 


Mail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.
ScottMail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.

Nope

They will not be impeached. They will not be arrested. They will not be turned over to anybody. They are not traitors.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 394 comments) on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 7:52:43 PM
 

 

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