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February 12, 2008 at 17:44:27

Debunking the Controlled Demolition Theory

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This article is from my book "Fire in the Skyscraper"

Reports of Controlled Demolition, Bombs, Thermite, Electromagnetic Rays, etc..Many reports interpreted the loud sounds and debris being projected out sideways during the Tower collapses as an indication that explosives were used to demolish the buildings. Most of these ‘explosive’ sounds, heard during the collapses were heard after the collapses began. The exterior walls can be seen bending and buckling inward in the videos of both Towers long before any sounds or ground vibrations occurred. In Tower 2, the exterior columns in the east wall were photographed bowing inward up to 10 inches, 18 minutes after the plane’s impact. That’s 38 minutes before the global collapse began. To be technical, you could say that Tower 2’s collapse began slowly, with possibly some noise or impact sounds from falling floors, about 38 minutes earlier than the official collapse time. The explosive sounds and expanding dust clouds occurred just after the east wall buckled inward and started the collapse, and not before the buckling, as would have happened with controlled demolition.

 When the south wall of Tower 1 was photographed it was bowing inward up to 55 inches on floors 95 to 101, about six minutes before these columns were seen buckling inward.  In the North Tower “thunder” sounds were heard when floors collapsed on the south side 12 to 14 seconds before the top of the building was seen to tilt southward and begin falling as a unit starting the global collapse. Since each section of floor on the long-span side weighed about 500 tons, I would explore these ‘explosive’ sounds in Tower 1 as evidence of a floor or floors detaching and impacting the floors below on the south side which most probably accelerated south wall failure.  I believe all the supposed ‘explosive’ sounds can be explained by the impacts made by the collapsing buildings after the columns were pulled in and buckled by the bowing and buckling floors and when the floors themselves began impacting the floors below. The boom, boom, boom, boom, boom repetitive ‘explosive’ sounds reported by firefighters running as Tower 2 was coming down were most likely caused by the sequential collision of impacting floors (pan caking).

The great quantity of air on each floor being compressed in a fraction of a second by great weight and momentum would propel air, smoke, and any concrete dust and debris outward at great velocity. It is also clear from the computer studies that the heat from the fires caused differential expansion of the steel parts in the long span, floor trusses with the resulting thermal bowing in some floors directly exerting pull-in forces on the exterior columns or this thermal bowing could have detached a floor which would have impacted the floor below destroying composite action by separating the concrete slab from the trusses and inducing strong tensile (suspension) forces in the double weighted floor. In other floors thermal expansion of the floor against the columns compressed the trusses which along with shear forces within the trusses buckled the diagonal struts collapsing the trusses which went into suspension (catenary action) and helped pull-in and eventually buckle the exterior column walls. All these adverse floor truss effects were caused by steel expansion which begins immediately as the steel is heated. Bowing and buckling can happen at low temperatures (400 C to 600 C) even before the steel would have weakened excessively from higher temperatures.

Once the exterior columns buckling spread,- assisted by the spandrels,- along an entire wall on one face, the towers began to tilt and the buckling spread around the towers exterior and into the core and with all the columns buckled the leaning top sections of the tower began to fall straight down. Although the North tower antenna appeared from some northern angles to have fallen straight down it actually tilted to the south because the south wall buckled first and the cantilevered top building section pulled the core over to the south. 

 The South Tower’s top tilted to the east because its east wall buckled first. Once the core columns got out of plumb, there would have been little resistance to their buckling at the weak splices. With the incredible weight of the top of the buildings gaining momentum, like a heavy wedge or sledge all it had to do was break the welded, and single bolted connections holding the floors to the columns. This coupled with the fact that the falling top sections momentum increases as the square of the number of floors impacted as the floors were detached and added to the weight of the descending top. There would have been little resistance to slow the top section’s acceleration to the ground. Because this acceleration due to gravity increased the speed and momentum of the collapsing floors and building top, the impacts would have been increasingly violent as shown on the seismic graphs increasing amplitude until maximum when the mass of accumulated floors hit bedrock seven stories into the cellar. 

In order for the columns to support the weight they have to be plumb and in line with the columns above and below. If they get out of plumb by 10 to 20 degrees they buckle and can no longer support the weight. The buildings collapsed because the floors first buckled from restrained thermal expansion and thermal bowing affecting floor truss stability. The sagging floor trusses pulled in the 59 columns in one exterior wall and they eventually buckled. Once the buildings started to tip over from loss of column support on one side the tremendous excess eccentric weight began buckling all the columns across the building. Once the tilted building’s tops began descending they hit the floors or columns at eccentric angles which easily detached the floors and buckled the columns.

In order for the lower building section to offer any meaningful resistance to the falling building top the columns would have to hit each other exactly in line and in plumb and this was impossible with the top leaning causing eccentric angles of impact. The fact is that columns have to be axially (in line and centered) aligned to support the weight of the building above. Once the top building section began tilting the columns on the side that originally buckled did not line up at all. These columns would have been hitting the floors and would have easily detached or buckled them.

After the south wall  buckled in Tower 2 the adjacent exterior wall columns buckled from overloads and the columns on the opposite west side of the building, which acted as a hinge would still be bearing on each other but at an eccentric angle which means they also would have also eventually buckled as the top tilted. These columns along with some of the core columns as they buckled are probably what kicked the bottom of the top building section to the west as reported by NIST.

 With all the columns across the building buckled the top section began descending at an angle to the building section below. None of the columns would have been axially lined up. As the columns collided they would have hit each other at eccentric angles and easily dislodged, disconnected or buckled each other. Adding the accumulating collapsing floors and you have a release of incredible potential energy changing to kinetic energy and building momentum as the accumulating chaotic mass of debris accelerated to bedrock 7 stories into the cellars. 

There have been some engineering analyses about the impacting floors slowing down the collapse so that the time to collapse should have been longer than ‘free fall’ times of an object dropped from the towers tops.  I have a theory that may explain this. Since the Tower’s outer wall columns, especially in Tower 1, pealed out like a banana, they may have been able to break the connections to the floors ahead of the floors being impacted? In other words, with the weight of the wall columns pealing outward from the vertical along with the added horizontal forces of impacting floors projecting debris outwards onto these columns; would these columns, while leaning out, be able to break the wall-to-floor connections ahead of the level of impacting floors? If this is possible than I believe that the connection failures could could have traveled down the sides of the buildings at a speed faster than free fall times. This might help explain the rapid collapses especially in Tower 1. The wall-to-floor connection failures could have traveled down the building sides faster than ‘free fall’ times and in effect started the floors falling before they were impacted by the accumulating mass of impacted floors above. The heavy exterior wall columns in the 1500 foot high builddings while pealing off could project the column sections outwards a great distance. This distance (500 feet) was proposed as only being made possible by explosive forces. I disagree.

Much has been made of the fact that NIST only analyzed the events up to the point where the Towers were poised to collapse before runaway collapse began and failed to pursue the remaining collapse. This was largely because after collapse began the chaotic impacts of the floors, walls and columns colliding could not possibly be analyzed accurately with even the strongest computers. It was hard enough for NIST to analyse the collapse mechanism up to the point of the initiation of collapse.

  In addition, the compression of air in the elevator and air-conditioning shafts by the collapsing upper building section and floors, would project air, smoke, and dust down these shafts and out of any air intake or discharge openings on the exterior walls on the lower mechanical equipment floors. This accounts for the plumes of smoke seen projecting outwards from the buildings well below the collapsing floors. There were quite extensive vertical HVAC shafts built into the building. These shafts are connected to air conditioning exhaust and intake ducts open to the exterior on the mechanical floors. Collapse of these shafts would force the dust and smoke out these HVAC exhaust and intake openings in the side of the building.  

The lightweight aluminum cladding’s breaking free from the buckling columns also would have been propelled outward a great distance by this expanding cloud of air and dust. This would account for huge dust clouds and pieces of aluminum seen projected outwards from the upper sections of the collapsing buildings. The light reflected off these aluminum pieces at the north wall of Tower 2 would be interpreted as flashes from explosive ‘squibs’. The flashes below the buckling east wall may have been from the aluminum cladding breaking free from the lower columns as they expanded after being unloaded of axial weight by the buckling of the wall above and their expansion breaking the connections to the cladding. Also explosives leave characteristic tears and fractures in steel, and such indications were not found in the debris pile. 

 Much has been made of the presence of molten metal in the debris pile after the collapse. Presumably this molten metal was somehow connected to explosions or thermite charges, but there were Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) battery rooms on some floors of the Towers and Building 7. These battery rooms supplied continuous battery power to computers if the electricity failed for any reason. These batteries contained tons of lead which melts at low temperatures [327 C (621 F)].  The heat form the fires in the debris pile could easily have melted this lead or the aluminum from the plane which were probably the molten metals that were seen flowing through the pile. NIST reported UPS in the 13th floor of Building 7 and the 81st floor of Tower 2.

Batteries also contain Sulfuric acid which could have corroded the steel accounting for the half consumed steel beam found in the debris pile. Additionally the EPA reported over 400 different chemicals in the dust and debris. These chemicals could easily be assembled conceptually to propose any type of chemical reaction imaginable including thermite reactions. In addition thermite reactions are rapid and wouldn’t last the hours or days at which times the molten metal was observed. 

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Former apathetic anarchist who's directly responsible for the sorry state of affairs in our great country, by virtue of doing nothing. Until now. Screenwriter, author, poet and poker player.
Bob TraceyFormer apathetic anarchist who's directly responsible for the sorry state of affairs in our great country, by virtue of doing nothing. Until now. Screenwriter, author, poet and poker player.

Entertaining Fiction

When I want to read some, Tom Clancy novels are great.  This?  Not entertaining, but most definitely fiction.  

I am intrigued by the need for a hypothesis as to why WTC 7 fell down.  We have the owner on tape saying he pulled it, the phrase used in the trade for a controlled demolition, which by the way takes WEEKS to plan and rig. 

Hypothesize away sir, but it's a waste.  Everyone who can see saw what happened that morning, and it wasn't two big buildings falling down from planes or fires.

by Bob Tracey (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 41 comments) on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 at 7:09:48 PM
 


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Physics shows how collapse impossible without demolition

The WTC towers collapsed at very near free-fall speeds.   You remember the material ejected into the air around the tower as it fell.  That material fell through the air as fast as the bulk of the tower fell through the massively reinforced steel and concrete core of the interior of the tower. 

A picture neatly illustrates why reasonable people know that the sustaining core of the tower was sliced out from under the falling mass: http://www.911blimp.net/graphics/suspendedWTCtop1.gif

The caption of the graphic reads: "If dropped at the same time, which would reach the ground?"  It is from the following website which goes into the phsysics of the free fall caused by demolition: http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml

Here is another excellent page that completely refutes the bunk of Mr. Scheuerman's supposed debunking: http://911blogger.com/node/7774

by Tim Riley (7 articles, 4 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 126 comments) on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 at 8:12:16 PM
 


Kent State, Graduate work in philosophy of logic, of science, Ph.D. SIU neuroscientist, forensic neuropsychologist, PostDoc Medical College of Ohio, Preferred activities: Restoring British motorcycles, cars, Matchless, Austin Healey, Triumph, Jaguar, building an engine, programming a computer. Other stuff: SDS 1968, antiwar,911 truth advocate, anticorporatist, anti-classist, anti-neocon, pissed off. Best thing: Father. Blessed.
richardKent State, Graduate work in philosophy of logic, of science, Ph.D. SIU neuroscientist, forensic neuropsychologist, PostDoc Medical College of Ohio, Preferred activities: Restoring British motorcycles, cars, Matchless, Austin Healey, Triumph, Jaguar, building an engine, programming a computer. Other stuff: SDS 1968, antiwar,911 truth advocate, anticorporatist, anti-classist, anti-neocon, pissed off. Best thing: Father. Blessed.

Oh heavens, another hit job... how long

You been around.....?

 

Mr. Shermer (who was trounced in debate with Kevin Ryan on the Thom Hartmann show), The Popular Mechanics’ - yellow journalism Hearst trash and 'screwlooschange' and the JREF positions embodied in Arthur’s tomes have been debunked so many times and so effectively I wonder that any thinking person still refers to them.

 

NIST's 10,000 page report has also been thoroughly studied and, interestingly, it's conclusions ignore the data derived from its own empirical studies as well as reams of testimony and data from other sources that did not fit into the official government conspiracy theory.... and not only does NIST not make the case for collapse initiation, it purposefully avoids discussing the mechanism of the collapse itself.

 

However, others have looked at it. For example,

Perhaps you should read: 

 

Collapse Time Calculations for WTC 1 (May 9, 2007)
Dr. Kenneth Kuttler, Professor of Mathematics, in which he considers two models of collapse. The most interesting is the:

 

“The floating floor model: 

The towers had columns which supported the floors. These were on the outside and on the core. The idealized problem I will consider is to remove all the columns and consider only the floors, pretending they are floating in the air and do not move till struck. I will consider the collapse of this idealized tower of floating floors under the assumption that all collisions are inelastic. If only gravity is involved in collapse and if both the real tower and the idealized tower fall in the same manner, this idealized tower of floating floors should fall faster than the actual tower because in the idealized tower there is no vertical support whatever, and in the real tower, there were many columns. It is assumed the floors fell in such a way that they encountered a succession of lower stationary floors as described in the above quote from the NIST report.”

 

…..and finds that even when one ignores all of the structural steel framework and merely imagines all those floors just hanging there in the air without any structural support whatsoever, calculated collapse times far exceed actual measured collapse times (both low and high estimates). In other words, structural supports, concrete and all the rest had to be blown out of the way to achieve the actual recorded collapse times. And indeed, that is precisely what you see when you watch recordings of the events. Huge beams blown out laterally. Other material being blown upward. Hundreds of millimeter-long human bone fragments blown on to the top of the Deutche Bank roof. (Gee, just how does that happen in a gravity driven collapse?) Thick pulverized concrete dust deposited all over Manhattan. 

 

One might also consider that well over 200 architects and engineers at Richard Gage’s (architect) site agree that the government’s ‘official conspiracy theory’ doesn’t hold water and are calling for a new investigation.

 

The apologists for the government's 'official conspiracy theory' can't account for these phenomena nor can they show where the requisite energy came from. Even NIST ignored the conservation of momentum (and of the conservation of angular momentum) just as some folks posting here ignore conservation of momentum and energy requirements. Those arguing in support of the ‘official government conspiracy theory’ choose to ignore the laws of physics so I’m not sure what reality they're operating in. I guess it's 'Their Own Little World'.... devoid of the laws of physics but replete with their own silly imaginings and delusions.

 

However, focusing on the WTC demolitions ignores the huge mass of other data, other events (such as FOUR successful hijackings occurred - in each of which establish protocols had to be violated and which seasoned pilots state is an absolute impossibility) - occurred on that date that all point to complicity of some elements of the government and perhaps forces from other nations as well.

And the issues of simultaneous war games going on, exactly mimicking the real events... I wonder at the odds.….. a few trillion to one? Hey, I’ll go right out and buy the lotto ticket.… And Dick Cheney’s lies about his actions during the attacks.….

And there was that lack of plane debris at the Shanksville crash... of course there was debris   ---  within a miles’ long radius  - beyond - the crash scene... I wonder, when planes crash, do they leave debris fields miles’ away? …. OH.… I thought not...

Hey, again, is it of curious note that the highjackers obtained some training from the U.S. military? Or that Al qaeda was created by the CIA and the ISI? And always thereafter, kept ‘in touch’. Oh.… I thought you would ignore that. (btw way, in Persian Al Qaeda means ‘the base’ [a CIA name] or, alternatively, the toilet …. in slang.…  more fitting I think.

 

9/11 was simply another in that long long list of false flag -- 'psyop' operations (see the 'wannabe' Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, the Gulf of Tonkin deception, FDR and Pearl Harbor, the Reichstag fire, etc., etc. )that governments have used to terrorize their own populations into supporting increased militarization, wars against other nations and, in most cases, increased fascism within their own borders. 

 

That last, for example, has certainly been the case in the U.S. with the treasonous destruction of Constitutional rights via the obscene Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Warner Defense Authorization Act, Presidential Directives (esp. #51), creation of FEMA detention camps and now the new 'thought crimes' bill sitting in the senate.

 

Remember, as well, that military and logistical forces had already been put in place to invade Afghanistan -prior - to 9/11. The plans for the invasion were on Bush's desk - prior - to 9/11, other countries were aware (such as Australia) months - prior - to 9/11 that the U.S. intended to invade Afghanistan in Oct. '01. 

 

U.S. interests met with the Taliban several times before 9/11 to make their 'offerings'. But the Taliban refused to allow Cheney, Enron and the oil companies to build the pipeline across Afghanistan to carry the recently discovered 500 billion barrels of oil and natural gas out of the Caspian Sea basin... too bad for the Taliban, eh? What we can't buy, we'll invade, murder and steal to obtain. Ironically, that amount of oil and natural gas was downsized to 50 billion barrels.…..later on.… ‘chuckle’

 

While peaking oil (and other natural) resources were certainly driving the desire to fabricate an excuse for invasion and war, it must be noted as that the CIA certainly did not like the Taliban's curtailing the opium crops... profits from which had supported CIA black ops for years (also well-documented). 

 

The government also wished to move the bases that had been in Saudi Arabia into Iraq (and thus avoid the ire of the Wahabists) in order to set the stage for the next big international war crime - aggressive war to steal Iran's and Central Asia’s resources. Unfortunately for the neocon/neolib middle managers, Russia, China and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization now stand firmly against Imperial America’s goals of conquest. But war with Russia and China were always the Neocon's endgame.

 

Oh, and also regarding 9/11, the Patriot Act was written before 9/11 as well. And the 2 senators' offices to receive mail containing U.S. military grade anthrax were those of Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy.... both objecting to the Patriot Act and standing in the way of its passage. Go Figure.

 

All of this information is well referenced and available for perusal. You might begin with Paul Thompson's timeline and/or many other journals (e.g. journalof911studies dot com, ae911truth dot org (architects and engineers for 911 truth), Jim Hoffman's excellent site, 911research dot com, etc.) There is so much well-documented information available that it is no surprise that many, including Shermer and Arthur Scheuerman, avoid addressing that data and the physics. And purposefully mislead.

 

There will always be those who hesitate to look because they are afraid to see. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful psychological force supporting denial. But interestingly, millions upon millions of people in the U.S. and even more world wide are beginning to open their eyes and actually look around themselves.... and what they are seeing about the U.S. and it's allied transnational corporate and financial powers and the military industrial media complex ain't a pretty sight.

 

Mostly Mockingbirds (remember the CIA's Operation Mockingbird - it hasn't gone away you know) and Pentagon operatives (see Mike Whitney's and BBC FOIA obtained data in - 'The Pentagon's War on the Internet') are always available to argue in support of the government's 'official' conspiracy theory.

 

For those of you who do not know, from ‘The Pentagon’s War on the Internet’: 

[Information Operations Roadmap (IOR) recommends that psychological operations (Psyops) “should consider a range of technologies to disseminate propaganda in enemy territory: unmanned aerial vehicles, "miniaturized, scatterable public address systems", wireless devices, cellular phones and the internet.” “No idea is too costly or too far-fetched that it escapes the serious consideration of the Pentagon chieftains.

The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial commentary. The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative; the fairytale of benign American intervention to promote democracy and human rights across the planet. "]

 

And finally, about 9/11. Always ask, cui bono? There is only one answer...it don’t include Al Qaeda. (and it don't include you or me).

 

The folks who get so upset when anybody challenges their pleasant little consensus trance world just strike me as terribly naive and woefully uninformed. And worse.

 

m.

by richard (0 articles, 4 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 747 comments) on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 at 9:05:42 PM
 


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Excellent!

Why do I read OpEd News every day, without fail? To see really well- researched, well-written articles like this. Thank you for the excellent response. JP

by JonmarkP (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 64 comments) on Thursday, February 14, 2008 at 11:42:21 PM
 


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The Towers were demolished

THe towers have been mathematecally proven to have fallen at free fall speeds.  This means no resistance but air.  This is God's laws, or natures laws if you will.  The nature of the Earth's gravitational pull is not in dispute as far as I am concerned.  You cant have free fall speeds unless material on the bottom got out of the way for the material on top.  THe destruction of the WtC was not something that could happen all at once, as certain key lelements of the buildings core would have to be "prepped" for the final pull (thermate/incendiaries at certain outer core columns but the end result is the same, and it is non sequitor to use this as a resaon to discount explosives   Thousands of tons of concrete were converted into dust the consistency of Talcum powder.  THis could not happen from the force of gravity considering that this was happening simultaneously as the core and outer frame disentergrated and fell (reaching the maximum speed allowed by nature; ie "freefall"  Unfortunately for all the journalists who skipped science and math class it is hard to comprehend that all this can be demonstrated mathematecally.  Know what that means? It means the WTC was demolished. End of story.  Learn to deal with it like the rest of us living in the world who paid attention in school.  If you want to live in dream world that's fine by me but dont tell me that you can demonstrate Newton Laws of motion to be untrue.  

by Heath Widdowson (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 1:24:53 AM
 


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meremarkdigital programmer turned thought specialist, sorta: rocket surgeon.

The 3 skyscrapers were blown to dust

When fact is fact, as in this case of powdered dust clouds, then state the fact hard and knock this "former blahblah Battalion Chief- yadda-yadda somewhere sometime in the New York City Metropolitan Millions of People yabba-dabba-do SuperDuper Fire Department blahblahblah" blockhead all the way into Ohio, do not pull any punches.

As stated: "Thousands of tons of concrete were converted into dust the consistency of Talcum powder. THis could not happen from the force of gravity considering that this was happening simultaneously as ..."

'Considering' NOTHING!!!.

The FORCE of Gravity was less than 150,000 units*. That is ALL the FORCE (we have been told) pushing down one Tower, calculated as the Mass of the Tower multiplied times How Long gravity worked on it, (the higher you drop something, the faster it's going when it hits ground). We know the Mass, we know how tall the Tower is, that is ALL there is: Gravity had 150,000 units to push the Tower down, and it DOES NOT MATTER whether the Tower is on fire or not, what's weakened, what's broken, whether the bottom crushed first or the top, whether it bowed out or in, or any of that blankety blank BULL PUCKY, sir battlion chief blahblahblah. ALL that GRAVITY COULD DO is 150,000 units of TOTAL FORCE. (If the Tower was taller ... it it weighed more, then ... BUT IT WASN'T. It was what it was, ALL IT HAD was 150,000 units.)

Then, 10,000,000 units of FORCE came out in the dust cloud.

So, sir battalion chief blahblahblah -- WHERE DID THE 10,000,000 ENERGY units COME FROM ????????????

As stated: "This could not happen from the FORCE of GRAVITY." PERIOD.

Considering NOTHING !!! It don't matter whether the steel was hard or soft, molten or cold, on fire or out, NONE OF THAT bull pucky. THIS. COULD. NOT. HAPPEN.  from the Force of Gravity.

Gravity can put 150,000 units FORCE pushing the building down. LIAR BUSH and LIAR BATTALION CHIEF FIRE FIGHTER say "Gravity is all there was. No explosives."

10,000,000 units FORCE CAME OUT in the energy it takes to make THAT Dust powdered, THAT Much, THAT Fast. It don't matter if the Tower fell over sideways one floor at a time day-by-day for a hundred days, or if it fell straight down at free fall speed, when it all was all over and done and laying on the ground levelled, 150,000 units of FORCE was the MOST that was used, piece by piece or all at once.

That Action causes an EQUAL and opposite REACTION. A little dust, maybe. NOT 10,000,000 units of Energy in pulverized Dust in a Massive cloud, in :30 seconds ... degree of REACTION.

WHERE DID THE EXTRA 9,850,000 units of ENERGY REACTION come from, LIARS ? ? ? ?

I don't need any fancy-dancy LIAR explanation how the collapse started and proceeded yadda yadda yadda. TEN MILLION UNITS of ENERGY CAME OUT of one Tower MORE THAN GRAVITY FORCE COULD PUSH DOWN.

How do we know how much energy came out? Because the Dust Cloud is RECORDED and MEASURED. Here is an example of how the Energy is calculated.

The example figures in the widest possible allowance (unlimited water vapor sink), AT LEAST 1,000,000 units of Energy FORCED out in the Dust cloud. But a better estimate, above 90% confidence of accuracy, is in the range of 10,000,000 to 20,000,000 units of Energy FORCED out in the Dust cloud, and it could be as much as double or triple 20,000,000 units of Energy FORCED out in the Dust cloud.

[* UNIT of energy used throughout is 1 KiloWatt Hour = 3,600,000 joules ]

But just take the least least lowest calculation for impossible theoretical conditions: 1,000,000 units of FORCE came out. No more than 150,000 units of GRAVITY could FORCE down on the Tower. So, LIAR Battalion Chief Commander LIAR -- WHERE DID 1,000,000 EXTRA FORCE units COME OUT FROM?

Or maybe you want to argue over dust size, cloud volume, or speed of expansion ... as if you know what the hell you are talking about, LIAR. Go ask LIAR BUSH, he can give you the LIE answer he uses.

 

 

by meremark (1 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 483 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 3:23:53 AM
 


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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

Please let us know when you begin the "debunking" process.

And if you don't mind, please start with the anomalous collapse of WTC7. Thanks.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 450 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 8:38:55 AM
 


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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

LOL!

Well, maybe this, and maybe that, and if this and if that, too, then maybe this or something else, blah blah blah...

That about sums it up, doesn't it?

Unfortunately there's no shortage of unfounded, wild-ass speculation from you "debunkers"; rather, there's a shortage of plausibility.

The fundamental problem that both FEMA and NIST (and anyone else) would seem to have, is that, based on the massive size of the important structural members, the amount of fireproofing involved, and the estimated fuel loads available in various areas of the bldg., fire-mediated collapse theories aren't even remotely plausible.

Sorry but your handwaving doesn't "debunk" anything. Nice try though.

 

 

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 450 comments) on Monday, February 18, 2008 at 8:38:48 PM
 


We will either survive until the sun envelopes the Earth in millions of years or we will prematurely expire having carelessly and needlessly forfeited the future of the unborn for the mere accumulation of things man-made. An unemotional, instinctive creature would never have done this.
NfamousWe will either survive until the sun envelopes the Earth in millions of years or we will prematurely expire having carelessly and needlessly forfeited the future of the unborn for the mere accumulation of things man-made. An unemotional, instinctive creature would never have done this.

Scheuerman the Shiller

The series of unlikely events proposed by this wanna-be-a-debunker are specious and fantastic. Even if one of these supposed explanations is true it is statistically impossible, not just improbably, that they all are. For that reason alone he has debunked himself and proven that a new and independent investigation is required.

The article also leaves huge questions unanswered like why was all the debris secretly and quickly shipped overseas, (to China I believe), before anyone could analyze it. That's obviously someone attempting to cover their tracks and everyone knows it. There is no mention of WTC7 in this article and that in itself relegates it to obscurantism. The explanation for molten metal is ridiculous. Are we to believe there were so many batteries and so many chemical reactions that they melted columns at perfect 45 degree angles. Laughable stuff here folks.

And what about the collapse of the internal core structure? No mention of how laws of physics would have to be violated to accomplish that. There's no serious explanation of the freefall speed either. If columns pancaked it would be much slower and the boom-boom-booms would have been spaced much further apart than what we have heard and what has been reported by hundreds of onsite witnesses. 

I don't know who's paying Mr. Scheuerman's salary but they are definitely not getting their money's worth.

by Nfamous (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 40 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 11:22:09 AM
 


I am a retired Battalion Chief from the New York City Fire Department. I have written a book on the WTC Collapses called "Fire in the Skyscraper". It is an analysis of how and why the Towers collapsed and a hypothesis of why and how building 7 collapsed.
Arthur ScheuermanI am a retired Battalion Chief from the New York City Fire Department. I have written a book on the WTC Collapses called "Fire in the Skyscraper". It is an analysis of how and why the Towers collapsed and a hypothesis of why and how building 7 collapsed.

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The columns were cut by aceteline torches to clear the debry pile during the rescue and removal process. The angle cuts were used to control the direction of fall of the columns which were sticking up out of the pile. I am just as disgusted by the removal of the debris to 'China. Apparently someone,- possibly the buiders,- did not want the steel examined.

by Arthur Scheuerman (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Friday, February 15, 2008 at 5:44:02 PM
 


SW Texas ultra-liberal
john riggsSW Texas ultra-liberal

Is Scheuerman one of dubya's fascist cousins ?

I cant say the real word for the 1930's National Socialist group or I get flagged. May I recommend "911 Octopus" to any doubters. The blooper was recorded from a TV feed. It shows the plane hitting the building then emerging unscathed out the other side. Another good video is "911 flatliner" on Vlogging the apocalypse.  I know nothing in the way of evidence will convince the author or the multitudes that refuse to believe our owners capable of murdering 3000 of us for a 3 trillion profit. They wont believe that concentration camps have been constructed and boxcars with shackles inside are being built. They cant believe in REX 84 or Garden Plot.

Yes freinds we are all just a bunch of un-american conspiracy theorists. I never had much of a stake in this country anyway. Marx says I am alienated from the earth by the system, and I think he hit that one on the head. I own no real-estate and I only exist to provide revenues to the corporate machine. He also said that industry would be moved to another geographic region every 50 years, right again Karl. When I see the palestinians herded into walled camps it brings to mind the marxist policy of distributing the population out evenly in rural communities.

No Mr. Sheuerman You cant begin to admit we are under attack by our own government. If You did You would have to think for yourself and admit everything You ever believed was a lie.  I hope You are a billionaire Mr. Sheuerman, if You arent You are a real sucker.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 395 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 1:36:27 PM
 


I am a retired Battalion Chief from the New York City Fire Department. I have written a book on the WTC Collapses called "Fire in the Skyscraper". It is an analysis of how and why the Towers collapsed and a hypothesis of why and how building 7 collapsed.
Arthur ScheuermanI am a retired Battalion Chief from the New York City Fire Department. I have written a book on the WTC Collapses called "Fire in the Skyscraper". It is an analysis of how and why the Towers collapsed and a hypothesis of why and how building 7 collapsed.

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No one is paying me for this. I wrote my book "Fire in the Skyscraper" to analyze how and why the towers collapsed. Its funny that practically no one is reading it. It shows that there was a design defect in the Towers allowing the trusses to collapse into catenaries and/or bow downward and pull-in the exterior columns on the long span sides of both towers.

I gave a copy of my book to Richard Gage and he must be an idiot not to be able to understand it or else he is part of the real estate, corporate coverup that's trying to prevent any new codes that would cost builders for the extra safeguards to improve safety for both first responders and the public. I would ask who is paying Mr. Gage to go all over the country to espouse his rediculous demolition theories.

by Arthur Scheuerman (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Sunday, February 17, 2008 at 11:12:36 PM
 


Concerned American Citizen
Mark WattersonConcerned American Citizen

America is in stage three fascism...

When truth is "debunked", the "debunking" contains hidden fallacies. Take Scott Peterson for example. He explained away all 41 items of circumstantial evidence against him. But when you add it all up, it doesn't equal...truth...and Mr. Peterson has a death sentence.

by Mark Watterson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 73 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 2:22:53 PM
 


Well-traveled, middle-aged, mechanical engineer.
M. BennettWell-traveled, middle-aged, mechanical engineer.

Apology needed

You sir, are profoundly ignorant and are doing a disservice to humanity by publishing such rubbish.

For example you wrote: “Batteries also contain Sulfuric acid which could have corroded the steel accounting for the half consumed steel beam found in the debris pile.”

You have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of the chemistry involved in any of this but pretend that you do. The sulfuric acid in lead acid batteries is actually very diluted and it would take a great deal of time for any substantive corrosion to take place.

Now do the world a favor and rescind all those unfounded statements and apologize to the world.

by M. Bennett (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 66 comments) on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 2:29:16 PM