Add faked photos to the list of lies told by the Bush–Cheney Administration before its invasion of Iraq.
In a town hall meeting in Bloomsburg, Pa., this week, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, a 12-term congressman, said that shortly before Congress was scheduled to vote on authorizing military force against Iraq, top officials of the CIA showed select members of Congress three photographs it alleged were Iraqi Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), better known as drones. Kanjorski said he was told that the drones were capable of carrying nuclear, biological, or chemical agents, and could strike 1,000 miles inland of east coast or west coast cities.
Kanjorski said he and four or five other congressmen in the room were told there may be drones on freighters headed to the U.S. Both secretary of state Condoleezza Rice and President Bush wandered into and out of the briefing room, Kanjorski said.
Kanjorski said it was the second time he was called to the White House for a briefing. He had opposed giving the President the powers to go to war, and said that he hadn’t changed his mind after a first meeting. Until he saw the pictures, Kanjorski said, “I hadn’t thought that Iraq was a threat.” That second meeting changed everything. After he left that meeting, said Kanjorski, he was willing to give the President the authorization he wanted since the drones “represented an imminent danger.”
Kanjorski said he went to see Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a retired Marine colonel. Murtha, said Kanjorski, “turned white” when told about the drones; Murtha, a former intelligence officer, believed that such information was classified.
Several years later, Kanjorski said he learned that the pictures were “a god-damned lie,” apparently taken by CIA photographers in the desert in the southwest of the U.S. The drone story itself had already been disproved, although not many major media carried that story.
In October 2002, President Bush said in Cincinnati that “Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological; weapons across broad areas.” He said that he was concerned “that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States.” In that same speech, he claimed, “Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles—far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and other nations—in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work.” Bush further claimed, “Surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons.” Those claims were later proven false.
Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) said that at the time the President made his speech, intelligence analysts had already discounted that threat. Nelson had told Florida Today in December 2003 that no analysts had “found anything that resembles an UAV that has that capability.” Any drones that Iraq did have, John Pike, director of Global Security, a major military and intelligence “think tank,” told Florida Today, had limited range, and would not be able to target Tel Aviv, let alone the U.S.
Nelson, on the floor of the Senate in January 2004, said that the information presented by the Administration was crucial in getting him and others to authorize a pre-emptive strike.
[Assisting on this story were Bill Frost, and John and Sandie Walker. In a four-day period after that meeting in northeast Pennsylvania, Rep. Kanjorski did not return phone calls to follow up on his statements. The Department of Defense and the CIA did not comment. Certain representatives who could confirm the meeting were unavailable. Dr. Brasch, an award-winning journalist and journalism professor, is author of America’s Unpatriotic Acts: The Federal Government’s Violation of Constitutional and Civil Rights and ‘Unaccepted’: The Federal Response to Hurricane Katrina. Forthcoming is Sinking the Ship of State: The Presidency of George W. Bush]
Walter Brasch is an award-winning journalist and university professor. His current books are America's Unpatriotic Acts: The Federal Government's Violation of Constitutional and Civil Rights, and 'Unacceptable': The Federal response to Hurricane Katrina, both available at amazon.com, borders.com and most major on-line bookstores.
the only WMD's Saddam ever had were sold to him by Rumsfeld and Cheney-- possibly to set him up for attack. Halliburton also sold Iran nuclear technology.
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martinweiss (9 articles, 3 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 186 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 7:08:09 AM
So, who's really being lied to here? Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) obviously knows NOTHING about what we found in 2003 a mere seven miles north of Fallujah in a well camouflaged bunker - UAVs!! Now, I won't assert that they could or could not carry WMD anywhere since none of them were armed at the time, but they DO exist and publicly try to falsely convince the public otherwise is wreckless and selfish. I have photos of my team and me when we found the site that I'm willing to share to prove what a load of bull Kanjorski is full of.
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 8:51:48 AM
I feel for your sheltered, imprisoned life that of the multiple definitions or descriptions for chickenhawk, you chose the one with which you most identify. When do you get parole?
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 11:19:06 AM
I used my definition of chickenhawk from my experience working on the vice squad in a major metropolitan area for six years. The chickenhawks we took into custody usually attempted to use a false name. After completing my education I worked as a psychologist I worked at a state prison that housed forty-six of these lovely human beings for four years.
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walley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 109 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 12:37:36 PM
It is true, as Chickenhawk claims, that a drone was found in the Iraqi desert. But, as the AP reported in August 2003, that drone had glass viewing ports; it had a bracket for a camera. There was no room on the drone to carry any chemical or biological spraying devices.
Even IF this chickenhawk had been in Iraq and seen a drone (and, as Rob clearly states hiding behind anonymity puts the question to his "evidence," and what he claims as true) he may not have had the knowledge to know what he saw--or didn't see.
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Brasch (55 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 41 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 10:22:08 AM
My team found THREE drones. I've never seen the "drone" that you speak of here. The ones I'm talking about were found outside Fallujah. I'm not talking about the buried MiG jets that were uncovered which is what you allude to.
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 11:22:57 AM
It's no secret who I am. My name is CJ Grisham. I don't hide that fact. The reason you don't see me on my blog is because I don't blog there currently. I haven't blogged there in quite some time actually. And when I DO blog, the post is clearly labelled as belonging to ME, CJ. But, keep watching because I'll be back soon enough to start writing again. You see, I have a job to do ensuring you're safety and security. My life is an open book, and part of it has been published. But, nice try trying to discount me even though you KNOW we've conversed through email a few times. Gotta make sure your fellow lemmings don't take my experiences into account, so I understand why you'd try to discount me.
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 11:16:55 AM
CJ Chicknhuk, why is your tone -- that's the total confabulation of words, unseen sneers, inuendos, and outright insults -- so utterly obnoxious? Why can you not make some point or other without flying into a spitting rant? You sound as if you're on the brink of a catastrophic apoplectic fit.
If you want to convince me and possibly other open-minded folk of anything, chill out; get a life, and improve your spelling and grammar while you're at it. God's Bodkins, dude.
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Jami (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 25 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 1:14:47 PM
If you think I remember all of them, and then, somehow know your handle as well.. you give me more credit than I deserve. But please, include the links substantiating the claims you're making .
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Rob Kall (728 articles, 3775 quicklinks, 311 diaries, 1521 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 2:43:42 PM
I'm talking about personal experience here, not something I read on the internet. Not everything we did was covered in the media. We're not quite up to the technology that makes tapping into my recollection possible.
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 8:14:03 PM
thanks for getting that straight. I'd think, since Bush spent about a $billion on searching for WMDs, that if your find was anything meaningful at all, it would have been reported and would show up on the web. The fact that they weren't used as evidence probably means they were insignificant in supporting the WMD lie.
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Rob Kall (728 articles, 3775 quicklinks, 311 diaries, 1521 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 10:33:15 PM
Just so I don't need to waste my time looking it up. is this old fool up for re election. Doesn't this just prove the fact that a lot of our elected members of congress have been at the job to long. I remember watching Powell showing his family albumn at the U.N. and as far away as I was I knew his little show was fake. I mean, how many people bought into that Pop Truck deal.
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drasile (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 77 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 2:50:49 PM
3 Drones in Desert a Big Stretch to an Armada Headed for US
I don't dispute that chcknhwk found three drones in the desert, but he also notes that he knows nothing about their capability. Meanwhile, the White House was jerking us around that Saddam had a fleet of them ready to be launched from freighters (ever try to launch anything from a freighter other than the garbage?) that would lace the East Coast with toxic agents.
I can just imagine the ship's bridge filled up with Iraqis clutching laptops and joysticks trying to direct their drones up and down the streets of Boston and New York (since I seriously doubt that any feighter would have a central control room packed full of the latest long range radar and communications. (The US Navy consigns vast areas of its Carrier Gallery Deck and other spaces to this kind of airwar capability.)
"A little more to the left there, Ali! Oh, good Allah, watch out for the telephone pole. You idiot. Saddam will kill us!
Pull up, pull up Mohamed. Too late! You hit the Macy's sign! We are doomed now! What, Saddam is on the radio?"
Only the DC Comic Book version could have been more implausible. Yet millions of grown men and women were swallowing this bull. As long as the White House thinks we are little children who can be freightened by Bogey Men, we are going to be fed this stuff.
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Mac McKinney (41 articles, 56 quicklinks, 127 diaries, 902 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 3:33:32 PM
I have no knowledge of this flotilla of UAVs coming here one way or another from Iraq. I speak only of the UAVs that were located in this underground bunker we found. I find it hard to believe that Iraq had the capabilities to launch a massive UAV assault on US soil. My purpose in responding here is dispute the claim that were never any UAVs in Iraq. The three we found appeared operational. However, I didn't get to fly them or turn them on. I don't know what their maximum capacity for payload is.
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 8:12:08 PM
During all the propaganda and fear-mongering in 2003, the government floated the fright scenario that Saddam could stow his drones on freighters, launch them at sea and attack American cities via remote control.
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Mac McKinney (41 articles, 56 quicklinks, 127 diaries, 902 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 9:31:44 PM
Well, I feel for you that your only definition of a chickenhawk comes from that segment of society and that you naturally think the worst in people. I got my name from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons - Henery the Chickenhawk. He was a bird that picked on others bigger than him and didn't back down from a fight.
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CJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 10:07:01 PM
was obviously bogus. You could tell by watching Powell closely. He was obviously nervous and uncomfortable with what he was doing and saying. He was mumbling and stumbling over his words and was not looking up at the cameras. I'm referring to when he was talking about the mobile weapons labs to the press. I knew then the whole thing was trumped-up and the administration had made up it's mind about invading Iraq. That and also when I watched bu$h give us a lecture about "Don't you see??? Sadaam has weapons of mass destruction!" with a big smile on his face, like he was thinking, "Don't you morons get it?! We are going to have this war and there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. " It was pretty obvious to me, anyway, having lived thru and having observed politicians speeches about Vietnam, Haiti, Panama, Grenada and the First Gulf War. The only difference now is that we have a dictator instead of a president.
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nikolai (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 3:48:34 PM
The drone Chickenhawk is referring to , were probably ours. We used them to spy on the on Iragi's. They would run out fuel and land. It was reported in every major newpaper around the world. Doesn't anyone check the facts before they post anything
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Gareece (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 46 comments)
on Sunday, September 2, 2007 at 6:59:24 PM