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9-11 Cover-Up, Treason and The Bomb by Dave Lindorff Page 1 of 1 page(s) |
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The story also casts a chilling light on the so-called “accidental” flight of six nuclear-armed cruise missiles aboard an errant B-52 that flew last Aug. 30 from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Shreveport, Louisiana.
The Sunday Times reports that Edmonds, whose whistleblowing efforts have been studiously ignored by what passes for the news media in American news media, approached the Rupert Murdoch-owned British paper a month ago after reading a report there that an Al-Qaeda leader had been training some of the 9-11 hijackers at a base in Turkey, a US NATO alley, under the noses of the Turkish military.
Edmonds, who was recruited by the FBI after 9-11 because of her Turkish and Farsi language skills, has long been claiming that in her FBI job of covertly monitoring conversations between Turkish, Israeli, Persian and other foreign agents and US contacts, including a backlog of untranslated tapes dating back to 1997, she had heard evidence of “money laundering, drug imports and attempts to acquire nuclear and conventional weapons technology.” But the Turkish training for 9-11 rang more alarm bells and made her decide that talking behind closed doors to Congress or the FBI was not enough. She had to go public.
Edmonds claims in the Times that even as she was providing evidence of moles within the US State Department, the Pentagon, and the nuclear weapons establishment, who were providing nuclear secrets for cash, through Turkey, to Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, agencies within the Bush administration were actively working to block investigation and to shield those who were committing the acts of treason.
Pakistan’s ISI is known to have had, and to still maintain close contacts with Al-Qaeda. Indeed, the Times notes that Pakistan’s nuclear god-father, General Mahmoud Ahmad, was accused of sanctioning a $100,000 wire payment to Mohammed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, immediately before the attacks.
Edmonds claims, in the Times article, that following the 9-11 attacks, FBI investigators took a number of Turkish and Pakistani operatives into custody for questioning about foreknowledge of the attacks, but that a high-ranking US State Department official repeatedly acted to spirit them out of the country.
Edmonds was fired from her FBI translating job in 2002 after she accused a colleague of having illicit contact with Turkish officials. She has claimed that she was fired for being outspoken, and in 2005 her position was reportedly vindicated by the Office of Inspector General of the FBI, which concluded that she had been sacked for making valid complaints.
One of those whom Edmonds claims in the Times report was being investigated in connection with the nuclear information transfers was Pentagon analyst Lawrence Franklin. Franklin was convicted and jailed in 2006 for passing US defense information to American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbyists and sharing classified information with an Israeli diplomat. Franklin, in 2001, was part of the Pentagon Office of Special Plans, a kind of shadow intelligence unit set up by the Bush administration inside the Pentagon whose job it was to gin up “evidence” to justify a war against Iraq. In that capacity, he (along with several other OSP members and arch neocon schemer Michael Ledeen) was also identified by Italian investigative journalists working for the newspaper La Republican, as having been at a crucial meeting in December 2001 in Rome with the Italian defense and intelligence service ministers. La Republicca reports that at that meeting a plan was hatched to fob off forged Niger embassy documents as evidence that Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium ore from Niger.
If Edmonds’ story is correct, and Al-Qaeda, with the aid of Turkish government agents and Pakistani intelligence, with the help of US government officials, has been attempting to obtain nuclear materials and nuclear information from the U.S., it casts an even darker shadow over the mysterious and still unexplained incident last August 30, when a B-52 Stratofortress, based at the Minot strategic air base in Minot, ND, against all rules and regulations of 40 years’ standing, loaded and flew off with six unrecorded and unaccounted for nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.
That incident only came to public attention because three as yet unidentified Air Force whistleblowers contacted a reporter at the Military Times newspaper, which ran a series of stories about it, some of which were picked up by other US news organizations.
An Air Force investigation into that incident, ordered by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, claimed improbably that the whole thing had been an “accident,” but many veterans of the US Air Force and Navy with experience in handling nuclear weapons say that such an explanation is impossible, and argue that there had to have been a chain or orders from above the level of the base commander for such a flight to have occurred.
Incredibly, almost five months after that bizarre incident (which included several as yet unexplained deaths of B-52 pilots and base personnel occurring in the weeks shortly before and after the flight), in which six 150-kiloton warheads went missing for 36 hours, there has been no Congressional investigation and no FBI investigation into what happened.
Yet in view of Edmonds’ story to the London Times, alleging that there has been an ongoing, active effort for some years by both Al Qaeda and by agents of two US allies, Turkey and Pakistan, to get US nuclear weapons secrets and even weapons, and that there are treasonous moles at work within the American government and nuclear bureaucracy aiding and abetting those efforts, surely at a minimum, a major public inquiry is called for.
Meanwhile, there is enough in just this one London Times story to keep an army of investigative reporters busy for years. So why, one has to ask, is this story appearing in a highly respected British newspaper, but not anywhere in the corporate US media?
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DAVE LINDORFF is a Philadelphia-based investigative journalist and columnist. His latest book, co-authored by Barbara Olshansky, is “The Case for Impeachment” (St. Martin’s Press, 2006 and now available in paperback). His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net
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I Dugg this article.
I think Dave Lindorff's summary of Sibel Edmonds' story is a very important one. by George Washington (188 articles, 27 quicklinks, 189 diaries, 219 comments [17 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 12:08:50 PM  (0+)
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Reply: me 2
" go Dave ! by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 12:44:28 PM (0+)
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911 Before and After
The 911 tragedy and subsequent cover-up is the defining issue of our times. We must not allow our Congress and MSM to continue to avoid this. We do so at great peril to our country and our role as human beings on this planet. The JFK assasination records have been sealed for a hundred years; we can't wait 100 years to have a truthful-new 911 investigation. by ronheri (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 256 comments [45 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 3:32:51 PM (0+)
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Brainwashing Updated and Upgraded
Times of London is as reliable as NYT or WP, which means very little. The only reliable source of information in England, and in Europe in general, is The Independent, and to a much lesser extent The Guardian and Der Spiegel. That's about it. On the other hand the COUNTERPUCH ( where Dave Lindorff is schooled) is very much discredited in the eyes of 911 Truthers because of Alexader Cockburn's unconditional adherence to the official version of 9/11 events, which is, of course, nothing but lies and misinformation. So, The Conclusion : you naive gullible suckers beware! we are telling you in advance that the next 9/11 fearmongerin false flag operation is going to be nucliar, Rice's promised Mushroom Cloud. And, like the original one it is going to be the work of Al Qaida as the 'terrorists' now have nukes at their disposal. So, you are going to believe us when in due time we will scare you to hell that Iran has to be nuked in retaliation. Get ready to be comlicit, you brainless sheeple. This is called Preemptive Brainwashing Propaganda. by ramsheyi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 793 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 3:34:14 PM (0+)
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Reply: What a nincompoop
The reason 9-11 Truthers, as they like to call themselves, don't like Counterpunch, is because Alex and Jeff don't just swallow all the malarky about the planes not having been planes. The fact that CP will run a good piece raising questions about what really happened on 9-11 and about who may have known about it before it happened, or about what is being covered up, means that they are being careful and good journalists, and not mythmongers. As for the London Times, I daresay it is a damned sight better of a paper than the NY Times. It's the publication that disclosed the Downing Street memo--not the Independent. The commenter doesn't know what he's talking about. by Dave Lindorff (438 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 193 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 3:42:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: A truther who likes CP
I consider myself a truther and I like CP. Probably the best article I ever saw on the so called Dancing Israelis was on Counterpunch by a reporter I think his name was Christopher Ketchin? I also think planes flew into the WTC and a big plane flew into the pentagon, as opposed to an invisible missle that no one saw. The so called 911truth movement is in danger of turning into the 911BS movement, from where I see it. I haven't been sure what to think of Sibel Edmonds. She only worked at the FBI a few months. But who knows? I'm still trying to figure out what to make of her. Good Article. Our MSM in America is clearly controlled, and I think even non thinking people have become aware of it by jimd3100 (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 33 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 5:39:19 PM (0+)
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Reply: Hold on a sec...
I consider myself a *Truther*, I believe planes flew into the buildings. I do not believe in pod theories or space beams or a multitude of other theories...that being said, has it not occured to anyone that MAYBE *Truthers* like you and Dave describe and abhor are NOT the majority of the Truth Movement and that you too have fallen prey to the MSM mumbo jumbo? The MSM paints *Truthers* as crazies and only shows the wildest ones they can find, same with how they do with the anti-war/peace movement. Just some food for thought... by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 8:01:42 PM (0+)
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Reply: There is a reverse problem
Some "truthers" who are really out there think everyone who doesn't "see" their truth is either dim, "sucked in" by the MSM, or in denial. My approach is to move cautiously in adopting any complex theories requiring large numbers of conspirators and high degrees of coordination and secrecy for success, unless the proof is overwhelming. And it ain't usually. by Dave Lindorff (438 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 193 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 10:12:01 PM (0+)
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Reply: brainwashing update and upgraded
I CAN NOT ADD ANYTHING, YOU UNDER STAND EVERY THING THAT THE GLOBALIST ARE UP TO. AND ITS NOT MADER OF IF THIS GOING TO HAPPEN, ITS WHEN IS THE UNKNOWN. I'M GLAD SOMBODY HAS SOME COMMON SCENCE LEFT. by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 8, 2008 at 6:59:48 AM (0+)
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I too dug this article
Dave, if the MSM does not start letting us peons know what is going on, how can we keep from completely falling into CFR's One World Gov't. Now that FoxNews has been exposed as Neocon propaganda, what can we watch and read except the internet? by Harvey Shepherd (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 5:31:49 PM (0+)
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Does Ms Edmonds Know...
I wonder if Ms Edmonds is aware that the 9/11 "truth movement" is controlled by people with affiliations to directed energy weapons. by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 465 comments [18 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 5:57:20 PM (0+)
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Reply: HUH?
The 911 truth movement isn't "controlled" by anybody. WTF? by jimd3100 (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 33 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 8:29:55 PM (0+)
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Reply: Oh yes it is
Take a look through the link I gave. Lenin, the first Communist dictator after the takeover of Russia in 1917, is widely credited with the following quotation, "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 465 comments [18 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 8:38:00 PM (0+)
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Reply: uh uh
I believe you are giving people like Fetzer and Wood and other disnformatonists more credit than they are worth which only propells your theory further vs staunch it. by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 8:50:17 PM (0+)
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Reply: Why do you...
...call them disinformation artists? Where is the evidence? (Certainly you're not going to blindly believe what others say without looking at evidence for yourself, are you??) The reason you call them disinformation artists is because you've been conditioned into doing so. This conditioning comes from plants within the truth movement. How about exercising some brain cells and looking at information for yourself instead of believing what you're told? Start here: 9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 465 comments [18 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:12:03 PM (0+)
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Reply: CD up to your old tricks?
Still trolling along eh, Brook? How's the weather in Florida? by Joann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 45 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:53:34 PM (0+)
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Reply: I had no Idea
Well as a truther I must admit that I really had no Idea I was controlled by people I don't even listen to. Thanks for the dis info by jimd3100 (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 33 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 10:31:34 PM (0+)
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Fearmongering Redux
Dear Mr Dave Lindorff, I have nothing against The Times's article which is indeed an eye opener. But, it leads us nowhere. In order to understand the implications behind it I suggest that you click to Justin Raymondo's insightful and excellent article published today ( january 7th 2008 ) on Antiwar.com and read it thoroughly, all references included especially the one by Chicago Tribune. You will inevitably come to the conclusion that another fearmongering 9/11 scenario may be in preparation courtesy of the dishonest government bent on launching other wars of agression in the Mid-East, be it nuking Iran or invading Pakistan or both as we may see. It has to be denounced and laid bare. As for 9/11 truth, no honest person disputes the fact that there were real planes. But they were triggers for the demolitions that instantly followed. I am not as eloquent as some experts on the subject are but I give you some of my references so as you may understand that talking truth is different from 'malarky' disseminated by dishonest Truth debunkers . Here are some for beginners : 'Hidden History of 9-11-2001' by New York University, David Griffin's precious works ( 'Debunking 9/11 Debunking, 'New Pearl Harbor', '9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distorsions), Journalof911.com, Patriotsfor911truth.com, just to mention a few. I am just a curious ordinary concerned individual driven by a profound sense of civic duty and a desire to be an honest free thinking citizen. I refute and reject and discard the govenrment's and the MSM's account of 9/11 and everything surrounding it. And I honestly believe that the majority of what has been termed as 'Truthers' are lonely individuals who refuse to submit blindly to brainwashing blather coming out of TV screen. We communicate through the Net, we read books, we cutivate critical thinking and pass it on to each other. That's true citizenship for a better future for our children as far as I am concerned. by ramsheyi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 793 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:51:33 PM (0+)
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Counterpunch's anti-911skepticism /5 nonviolent action ideas
The DEW and no plane factions are minority factions. No knowledgeable person would claim they control the movement. I don't think they are correct, but not being comfortable with technical issues, I'm not sure. They certainly make it harder to make the basic case that 911 was an inside job. I do believe they have a right to a place at the table in the event of a real investigation. I have stated many times that the vast majority of "truthers" are misguided in their lack of strategic thinking. The most important issue is not planes/different planes/no planes. It is not DEW/thermate. It is not what hit the pentagon. It is courage/cowardice. Those who refuse to ask the hardest questions about 911 do so out of lack of courage. Those who attack 911skeptics personally without addressing evidence are lacking in courage. The regime is readying themselves for roundup and most "truthers" are focused on what exactly happened rather than taking action to save the constitution and the lives of everyone on both sides of this controversy. With this in mind, I propose the following 5 nonviolent action proposals: 1) Whistleblower bannering and leafleting as regards 9/11. I prefer ae911truth.org with fuller explanation OR patriotsquestion911.com standing alone. The content of the banner or leaflet would be a URL, or more detailed encouragement to well placed citizens to put saving the constitution before professional security. Targets of this would be federal civil servants and assemblages of significant professions and vocations as regards 911. These jobs include construction in all its levels, firefighting, airlines, security and police. That's right. Go leaflet the police. For a 10 minute video of a recent such vigil at NIST, see this link http://www.911blogger.com/node/13239 2) Whistleblower leafleting and bannering WITHOUT reference to 9/11 truth. Excellent statements warning of the coming police state have been issued by Dan Ellsburg, Naomi Wolf, Steve Lendman, Paul Craig Roberts, and Ray McGovern. This is something that can be done with mainstream peace activists. The focus would be federal civil servants and any security personnel who might be called in to work roundup. Everyone against roundup should work together!! 3) Assistance is needed for a specially designed website delineating both praiseworthy and suspicious activity of the FBI as regards the war on terror. I am not a researcher. I’m an organizer. Once we have a decent website, I have a catchy URL in mind, and I’ll go hold the banner at the Hoover Building. Contributions in research and funds to hire researchers should be sent to Dan Nalven PO Box 1132 , Ossining , NY 10562 Here is a link an account of our action at the FBI from 2006. For a recounting of our first foray at the FBI, see 911courage.org posted 9/23/06 under the title, “Leafletting for Whistleblowers 9/21/06” linked here by David Slesinger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 10:15:03 PM (0+)
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Reply: continued comment/same title
For a recounting of our first foray at the FBI, see 911courage.org posted 9/23/06 under the title, “Leafletting for Whistleblowers 9/21/06” linked here by David Slesinger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 10:26:49 PM (0+)
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9/11 & ET
On the night of July 14, 2001 a small fleet of unknown brightly lighted aircraft flew over Carteret and the nearby town of Cresskill, New Jersey. Cresskill was the embarkation point for soldiers of World War 1, and still has a large and active loading facility facing the Hudson River. The urban renewal project carried out on 9/11 at the World Trade center was a basic arson mass murder insurance collection scheme, with the side benefit of engaging us in an unending war. This “inside job” needed coordination and help from many of the local political operators. “ET” clearly knows who all of our nuclear war fighting elite are, and also knows where they are at. It seems that “ET” is showing us where to find them. This would be the over flight with "ET" spacecraft to "Mark" something we should look at. “ET” wants humanity to survive these perilous times; our nuclear war fighting elite do not want us to survive. In fact; our nuclear war fighting elite decided long ago that we all should be turned into nuclear waste. Here’s a clue: “We are the Living Dead.” Today those naughty Iranians were out provoking the US navy, and nearly were shot at, which could have triggered a widespread war. The unspoken truth is That that was and continues to be the plan; a well planned all out nuclear holocaust beginning with a small provocation. First; we must understand that Ahmadinejad and his camp followers are all in the employ of our nuclear war fighting elite, who are mainly found in the Bank of England. This is where you will find the folks who decided to turn us into nuclear waste over a half Century ago. They-our nuclear war fighting elite- have not given up hope, and are doing their very best every day; to kill us all. Posted: 04:33 PM ET WASHINGTON (CNN) — Two U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornets — flying off the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman — crashed in mid-air Monday night in the northern Persian Gulf, a U.S. Navy spokesman said. This snippet from CNN is interesting from the vantage point of any one who is aware of the presence and power of the “ET.” If “ET” wants to end a hazard such as a couple of fighter planes doing a ‘Mission’ that is not approved by “ET,” and that "ET" wants' removed; instead of shooting the planes out of the air, “ET” sometimes will send input signals to their electronics, and allow them to crash into one another. For an example of that; go to ufobc.com and read the story of the late Lt. Lamar J. Barlow, who had the bad judgment to actually fire 3 missiles at “ET.” “ET” is clearly the dominator on this planet, not our nuclear armed elite. The Bush and Dick show have now started a nuclear war several times since they have occupied high office. Minot was merely another attempt to get a full blown nuclear war underway. Again. Today the Iranians did their part, in trying to get a full-blown nuclear holocaust underway. The plans are still in play to exterminate us all. We are the Living Dead. by Patrick (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 519 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 10:15:25 PM (0+)
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Only Solution to 911
We could debate 911 till the end of time...or we can demand our leaders give us what the truth and victims demand...A new, open, unbiased, and TRUTHFUL Investigation. It must happen! by ronheri (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 256 comments [45 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 11:13:01 PM (0+)
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When good minds go mushy
You Truthers truly are a creative and imaginative lot! Fom ET to Star Wars and all points in between, this is better than a re-run of the "Beverly Hillbillies" when Ellie-Mae throws Jethro into the cement pond! by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 7, 2008 at 11:20:54 PM (0+)
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Reply: So what's your bottom line?
The U.S. government is not lying about 911, and had no complicity in it? The U.S. govenment is lying, the U.S. government has some complicity, e.g., "let it happen", but the buildings were not brought down by any type of "controlled demolition"? 911 was merely another Israeli false-flag job with assistance from Bush/Cheney? Please spell out precisely what your view is. by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 8, 2008 at 6:52:44 AM (0+)
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9-11 Cover-Up, Treason and The Bomb
Good article Dave, however I fear the readers have missed the message therein entirely, and go off on a tangent avoiding dealing with the issue at it's heart. This is a point I see many Americans making everyday these days on these issues, everyone seems to ignore the evidance that's practically shoved down their throats that their own Govt is waging war upon them Very few are prepared to admit this to themselves, as even in their worst nightmares, they are unable to comprehend that such a thing could happen, and therefore simply reject the notion out of hand and pretend to continue with their alternate lifestyles in parallel with reality, the majority of the responces here reflect that. The question has been asked; "Why doesn't Congress do something about this ?" However, when the answer is given, eyes glaze over and people turn away in disgust, flatly refusing to even contemplate the FACT that their members of Congress are just as much victims of the perpetrators as the average American is. IMHO, that was the sole purpose of the anthrax attacks against them, a clear demonstration what would happen to ANYONE who opposed the Administrations agenda. May I remind everyone here, people actually DIED as a direct result of this attack, and if memory serves me correctly, TWO of the deaths were Congress members, the FACT that immediately following this event, NOT ONE CONGRESS MEMBER OPPOSED THE PATRIOT ACT, or even READ the flamin thing before passing it. So you gotta ask the question, "WHO STOOD TO BENEFIT FROM THIS ATTACK ?" Clearly, IMHO it was the current Administartion hands down ! This speaks volumes of the calibre of the members of Congress,( cowards the lot of them,) as if by standing together they could'nt oppose the criminal Administration, they believe implicitly, each and every one of them,families ,friends or relatives, could be victims and the blame laid directly at the feet of the mysterious Islamic terrorists holed up in their caves a thousand miles away., thus again allowing the true perpetrators walk free to wage further war upon them. FEAR,TERRORISED OUT OF THEIR EVERLOVIN MINDS,, that is the U.S. population right now, terrorised by their own Govt. IMHO you folks had better wake up before it's far too late. by Eddy Schmid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 234 comments [17 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 8, 2008 at 8:17:24 AM (0+)
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Upsetting the apple cart?
When you store apples, when there is a glut harvest, you put them in the barn, on boards, separating them from each other, so as not to infect nearby apples when one of them 'goes off'. When you put a load of apples into a cart, pulled by a donkey, any one apple going bad will rapidly infect all the apples that it touches, and the entire load will quickly become bad. That is an analogy to the administration infiltrated by a 'few bad apples'. So those who are cowardly or reason that it is better not to upset the apple cart, should think a little about the eventual outcome of not upsetting the applecart - the whole load of apples will become rotten. Bring sibel's information to the public, upset the apple cart, before the donkey pulls it into the swamp, from which it will not only be impossible to extract it, but other apple carts will pass it by without a second look. The meltdown of the dollar is being ignored by everyone. What is the use of debating 9/11 truthers for or against, when your way of life is going to become untenable in the very near future? Jobs going overseas, dollar plumetting, corrupt adminsitration and congress, war with Iran, none of that will wake up the Americans, but gas pices going through the roof and food prices and hunger might, but by then it will be too late to talk about changing the government. It will be a de facto dictatorship and you will be in the same situation as the Russians (as only one example) where dissidents will be hauled off never to be heard of again. Welcome to the age of 1984, although a bit late. by ibrahim turner (26 articles, 32 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 184 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 8, 2008 at 12:19:01 PM (0+)
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Reply: ibrahim
That was a damn good analogy. Thx by Joann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 45 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 8, 2008 at 2:21:42 PM (0+)
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