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Why is Hirschhorn siding with Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, an organization that pushes hoaxes?

Quote from AE911Truth:

"Tons of molten Metal found by FDNY under all 3 high-rise"

The above is a completely unfounded statement. If there were "tons of molten metal" at Ground Zero, there would have been multiple steam explosions with all that firehose and rain water. Firefighters do not spray water anywhere near molten metal, because they know water contacting molten metal causes steam explosions. There was no molten metal at Ground Zero. All the molten metal evidence, in fact, has been shown to be fabricated.

Hirschhorn quote from article:

"“analyses by many experts reveal the collapse of the three WTC buildings was not caused by the two airplanes exploding into the twin towers.” He noted “the general view is that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition.” "

A very interesting quote indeed, filled with deceptions:

1. The towers did not "collapse", they were pulverized.

2. The towers and WTC 7 were NOT the only buildings destroyed. There was also WTC 3, WTC 4, WTC 5, and WTC 6.

3. Planes did not hit the towers. Every video shows an aluminum airplane with a plastic nosecone gliding into a steel/concrete building. Since this shows a physical impossibility, the videos are therefore fake. Aluminum won't make a cartoon cutout of itself in steel and concrete. The plane-shaped holes were not made by planes. There is no verified plane wreckage at Ground Zero. There were no planes crashes at the WTC.

The "truth movement" needs to start questioning the motives of these so-called "scientific" organizations that promote such unscientific thinking.

For the real deal on 9/11, see Dr Judy Wood's directed energy weapon evidence, and Dr Morgan Reynolds recently unsealed court case about no-planes.

Quote from trial attorney Jerry Leaphart, from recent interview with Kevin Barrett:

"What I can tell you and the listeners, Kevin, is this. There is more admissible evidence associated with the theory that the World Trade Center was destroyed by directed energy weapons than there is admissible evidence for any single other theory out there that has been promulgated."

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Friday, September 7, 2007 at 6:24:05 AM
 

CB Brooklyn is Nuts

CB Brooklyn is nuts.

Let's listen to what the scientist says.

WTC 7 couldn't be more obvious.

www.wtc7.net

by Rolf Lindgren (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Friday, September 7, 2007 at 10:46:44 AM
 

I concur.

Although insanity may be the least of it.  In my article The 9/11 B.S. Movement, I show how these ridiculous nonsense theories marginalise, distract and discredit our movement.

These people appear to be actively working for the "other side."

Crimes of the State Blog 

by johndoraemi (17 articles, 12 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 170 comments) on Friday, September 7, 2007 at 3:52:35 PM
 

Does Not Refute The Data

johndoraemi's link does not refute the data. People should, of course, look at his article themselves. When they do, they'll see that it is pure nonsense. One can tell the "scientific" nature of that article by the "B.S" title. What science!

Anyone wanting the real truth of 9/11 to come out needs to acknowledge that they've been had and are the victim of a 9/11 perp-planted PSYOPS.

The only "9/11 truths" are the ones that will stand up in Court:

1. WTC TV-FAKERY / NO WTC PLANE CRASHES: Violation of basic, high school-level physics. Aluminum airplanes with plastic nosecones don't glide through steel/concrete buildings. It violates Issac Newton's 3rd Law of Motion, which any 15-year-old with basic high school physics knowledge can tell you. The public must know the media was broadcasting cartoons!

2. WTC DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS: It has more admissible evidence in a Court of Law than any other theory. See my first comment above for a quote by trial attorney Jerry Leaphart. The public must know these weapons exist, and are being used against us!

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Friday, September 7, 2007 at 6:17:36 PM
 

FLAGGED FOR AD HOMINEM

The above message has been flagged for ad hominems. The poster attacks the messenger instead of refuting the data. This behavior is common to OPeratives and has no business on OpEdNews.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Friday, September 7, 2007 at 5:47:35 PM
 

Thank you Dr. Hirschhorn and Alan Miller (for your website)

Alan, thanks for posting the article about Joel Hirschhorn, and thank you Dr. Hirschhorn for speaking up with the perfect suggestion for a real unbiased investigation of 911.

Brook, regarding your statement "For the real deal on 9/11, see" (moon beams or whatever you were talking about, and fake video).

The wording of "real deal" is as crude as the theories you projected  of beams and fake video, they are smoke and mirror *DISINFO*.

by Joann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments) on Friday, September 7, 2007 at 11:55:04 PM
 

Joann, what is your objective?

Your use of the term "disinfo" does not refute any of the data.

You want to know who the real disinfo artists are? Head over to the AE911Truth site and you'll find many of them.

Anyone who pushes WTC molten metal is helping the 9/11 perpetrators. This is equally true for anyone promoting a site (such as AE911Truth) that promotes WTC molten metal.

I wonder what your objective is, Joann?

Are you trying to help the 9/11 perps?

WTC TV-Fakery is definitively proven via the Laws of Physics. It can stand up in a Court of Law and cannot be refuted.

WTC Directed Energy Weapons has more admissible evidence in a Court of Law than any other WTC destruction theory.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 12:44:53 AM
 

DEW theory has too many holes

Although no definitive theory of what happened to the World Trade Center has been confirmed, the DEW and particularly the "no-planes" theories simply lack credibility. Probably on the order of thousands of witnesses present in Manhattan physically saw a plane hit the second tower, if not the first. Your website calls into question the credibility of any government agency, such as USGS, yet you blindly ignore the fact that Morgan Reynolds was screened and hand-picked by the Bush gang to be part of their cabinet. Is it not possible that he is a mole intended to advance disinformation? The "no-planes" theory is laughable and has been the most detrimental to the truth movement.

by Steve Azbill (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 4:32:11 AM
 

You're the Victim of a PSYOPS

The only reason you think no-planes is "laughable" is because you've been conditioned to think that way. You've been conditioned by the 9/11 perps.

There is no evidence that thousands of New Yorkers saw planes hit the towers. It's really amazing that so many in the truth movement itself blindly make this assumption with no evidence.

Dr Reynolds is speaking up for the Laws of Physics. It does not matter who his former employer was.

The only "holes" in the directed energy weapon theory are these round cylindrical holes in WTC 5 and WTC 6. (No wonder AE911Truth ignores these buildings!) 

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 5:51:59 AM
 

You are the victim of ignorance

But don't feel bad--you're not alone by any stretch. I am talking about ignorance of laws of physics that do say that an object of lesser density can penetrate a higher-density object with increased velocity. Here is an example how a plastic straw can go through a potato. The planes were mostly aluminum, but as you point out, tubes, which exhibit great strength. Many parts of the planes were steel and titanium, mostly engine parts which were found in the vicinity. There are pictures, you just haven't seen them yet. What I haven't yet seen is what the back side of tower 1 looked like. It's likely that the plane was mostly shredded by the internal columns with the back windows (and more) being blown out by the kinetic energy and rapid expansion of the burning fuel.

I once thought Morgan Reynolds to be a great American (I told him so in person), but in subsequent communications he told me that he was giving up on the no-planes theory. Some months later he was given a long interview on Fox News, an anomaly in itself, spouting the no-planes theory! That's when it began to sink on that he might be a mole.

I admire your spirit, but check your physics. Tornadoes prove over and over that high-velocity objects can embed in high density objects. I read about a pine needle embedded in a plate glass window, without cracking the glass! Amazing world...

by Steve Azbill (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 5:54:20 PM
 

A little more

about the "road-runner" gash in tower 1...

If you get a good look at the picture of the gash in the side of the building (you may have to do a little processing in Photoshop to sharpen the image and adjust the levels) you can see that the wings didn't penetrate through the most of the steel lattice of the building, but only knocked the aluminum cladding off. Most of the damage was caused by the rigid tube of the fuselage (along with great kinetic energy) and the much higher density of the engines.

This is something that Dr Reynolds and Prof Woods could have easily done, but insist on promoting this false idea that the plane made a perfect cut-out of itself. It didn't.

And they need to stop promoting the ludicrous notion that steel turned into dust. They use a few frames of video to "prove" this.

Do you remember how the police got away with the beating of Rodney King? Reynolds and Wood (and sadly, Fetzer) use the same technique. It's deceptive, to say the least.

by Steve Azbill (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 6:28:19 PM
 

Steel Turning to Dust is NOT a "ludicrous notion"

These three videos clearly show the steel turning to dust: One, two, three.

Yes, the technology to do this exists, as explained in this 10 minute video, an excerpt from "Race to Zero Point" available on Google Video. 

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 9:14:37 PM
 

You need to check your own physics knowledge

If you think increased velocity will allow an aluminum airplane with a plastic nosecone to glide through steel and concrete, you should read this new article: I Had a Car Crash.

After reading the article, note the comment at the bottom from one of Morgan Reynolds' papers:

What about the belief that fragile objects with sufficient speed penetrate massive, hard objects, e.g., tornadoes allegedly driving straws into trees? This can happen because "intense winds can bend a tree or other objects, creating cracks in which debris (e.g., hay straw) becomes lodged before the tree straightens and the crack tightens shut again."

Have you seen the pictures of the engines? I don't think you have. See here and here. Pretty convenient for them to wind up underneath scaffolding, huh?

An aluminum tube with a plastic nosecone, wings, and a tail, is not the same as a hollow straw. And a potato is not the same as steel girders and concrete slabs.

This video clip reveals the steel girders.

This picture reveals the concrete slabs.

This picture shows the building to self heal itself.

See these videos of real plane crashes for comparison.

Technology Review Magazine Discusses How the Military and TV Networks
Can Insert Prerecorded Images Into Live News Feed to Alter World Politics
in their July/August 2000 Article "Lying With Pixels".

As retired Aerospace Engineer Joseph Kieth says: "The video is phony because airliners don’t meld into steel and concrete buildings, they crash against them!"

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 9:05:46 PM
 

The crash video examples

were all slow-moving aircraft, decelerating for landing. Not the same thing at all.

From that webpage, it is clear that others have tried to bring up all of the same points with you. There's no point in me going over it again.

Good luck with that theory, but pay attention to the laughter it generates. I believe that it is detrimental to achieving our goal, that is convincing enough people that the truth has been withheld and taking action to bring those responsible to justice.

by Steve Azbill (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Sunday, September 9, 2007 at 4:37:42 AM
 

I understand your concerns, Steve

But WTC TV-FAKERY / WTC NO-PLANE-CRASHES / WTC DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS are only laughable to those in the truth movement who have fallen for this well planned PSYOPS. I've been posting the information around the internet and most 9/11 newbies have little trouble understanding it. (See these forums posts. Although they're geared more toward DEW than TV-FAKERY, they're helpful in understanding the PSYOPS.)

There are specific reasons why WTC TV-FAKERY / WTC NO-PLANE-CRASHES is so vitally important to expose. The public must learn that the corporate media orchestrated the attacks by broadcasting cartoons, and that they cannot be trusted for anything.

I'm not a scientist, but do know that velocity does not matter for an airplane at 500MPH. It violates Newton's 3rd Law of Motion. Perhaps at 500 million miles per hour, it might?? Who knows. Still, its plastic nosecone is not going to pop out the other side of the building. (See film September Clues for info.)

The "straw in potato" video you linked to is not a proper analogy:

A potato is soft, steel beams and concrete slabs are not.

The hollow straw was not capped with a nosecone, and did not have wings or tail sections.

The straw hit head on, not on an angle.

But there's more evidence for TV-FAKERY /NO-PLANE-CRASHES anyway:

People reported missiles

19 Rector Street building should NOT be there

The Frozen Fireball

Bridge-Fakery

Demon Head in the Smoke (their calling card?)

The perpetrators of 9/11 are pure evil and highly dangerous.
They must be removed from power.

If planes really did crash at the WTC and TV-Fakery / No-Plane Crashes was so laughable, why didn't the History Channel use it to discredit the "truth movmment" in that documentary last month??? Take a look at these forum posts.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Sunday, September 9, 2007 at 8:51:41 PM
 

To avoid confusion...

Regarding the information in the first paragraph of my last post:

I, myself, am not the author of the forum posts I linked to.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Sunday, September 9, 2007 at 9:00:07 PM
 

I added the content in the parentheses...

in the first paragraph at the last minute before clicking "submit" !

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Sunday, September 9, 2007 at 9:05:27 PM
 

9/11 TRUTH OR DARE!! I DARE TO STOP!!!!

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by (8 articles, 4 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 143 comments) on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 5:28:53 PM