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September 18, 2008 at 10:08:01

Headlined on 9/18/08:
Why Scientists Succumb to Political Correctness

by Frosty Wooldridge     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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Dr. Albert A. Bartlett, University of Colorado at Boulder, addresses America’s love affair with self-delusion. Dr. Bartlett remains the premiere voice in America concerning the greatest predicament facing our civilization in the 21st century.

While everyone in America suffers from its symptoms from gridlock, air pollution, crowding and higher energy prices--no politicians from governors to senators address it. Most Americans avoid demonstrating any awareness or they dismiss it out of hand. Yet, it accelerates as THE single greatest problem facing America and the world in the 21st century.

I’ve known Dr. Bartlett for over 25 years. He hosted the Gamow Lectures at CU for years.  Last month, he lectured in Boulder, Colorado as to the consequences of continued population growth in the USA and the world.  I spoke with him after the presentation at Chautauqua Park to a packed house.

“Throughout the world, scientists are prominently involved in seeking solutions to the major global problems such as global climate change and the growing inadequacy of energy supplies,” Dr. Bartlett said. “They present their writings in publications ranging from newspapers to scientific journals, but with a few rare exceptions, on one point they all replace objectivity with “political correctness.”

”In their writings the scientists identify the cause of the problems as being growing populations. But their recommendations for solving the problems caused by population growth almost never include the recommendation that we advocate stabilizing our population. Political Correctness dictates that we do not address the current problem of overpopulation in the U.S. and the world.

“We can demonstrate that the Earth is overpopulated by noting the following: “A SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH”

“If any fraction of the observed global warming can be attributed to the actions of humans, then this, by itself, constitutes clear and compelling evidence that the human population, living as we do, has exceeded the Carrying Capacity of the Earth, a situation that is clearly not sustainable.

“As a consequence it is “AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH” that all proposals or efforts at the local, national or global levels to solve the problems of global warming are serious intellectual frauds if they fail to advocate that we address the fundamental cause of global warming--namely overpopulation.

“We can demonstrate that the U.S. is overpopulated by noting that we now (2008) import 60 percent of the petroleum that we consume, 15 percent of the natural gas that we consume and 20 percent of the food we eat. Because the U.S. population increases by over three million per year, all of these fractions are increasing. Natural gas production in North America has peaked in spite of the drilling of hundreds of new gas wells annually. In a nutshell, the U.S. in 2008 is unsustainable.

“Let’s look at two prominent examples of this political correctness. The book, “An Inconvenient Truth” (1) was published to accompany Al Gore’s film by the same name. On page 216 Gore writes; “The fundamental relationship between our civilization and the ecological system of the Earth has been utterly and radically transformed by the powerful convergence of three factors. The first is the population explosion…”

“It’s clear that Gore understands the role of overpopulation in the genesis of global climate change. The last chapter in the book has the title, “So here’s what you personally can do to help solve the climate crisis.” The list of 36 things starts with “Choose energy-efficient lighting” and runs through an inventory of all of the usual suspects without ever calling for us to address overpopulation!

“As a second example, in the Clearinghouse Newsletter (2) we read the statement, “Human Impacts on Climate” from the Council of the American Geophysical Union. The title recognizes the human component of climate change which we note is roughly proportional to the product of the number of people and their average per capita annual resource consumption. The last paragraph of the A.G.U. statement starts with the sentence, “With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent.”

“The rest of the paragraph suggests what must be done, and it’s all the standard boilerplate. “Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government.” Etc., Etc., Etc… There is no mention of addressing the overpopulation which the statement recognizes is the cause of the problems.

“A few years ago I wrote an article calling the attention of the physics community to this shortcoming. (3) To my amazement, most of the letters to the editor responding to my article supported the politically correct unscientific point of view. (4), (5)

“Many journalists look to the scientists for advice. The scientists won’t talk about overpopulation, so the journalists and the reading public can easily conclude that overpopulation is not a problem. As a result, we have things such as the cover story in Time Magazine, April 9, 2007, “The Global Warming Survival Guide: 51 Things You Can Do to Make a Difference.” The list contained such useful recommendations as “Build a Skyscraper,” (No. 9, Pg. 74) but not one of the 51 recommendations deals with the need to address overpopulation!

“What’s one to do when scientists and political leaders demonstrate their understanding of the fact that overpopulation is the main cause of these gigantic global problems (collapsing fisheries, ozone hole, air pollution, acidification of our oceans via human pollution, dead zones in our oceans, species extinction, 18 million humans die of starvation annually, loss of rainforests….), yet the scientists’ recommendations for dealing with the problems never call for addressing overpopulation?”

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Frosty WooldridgeFrosty Wooldridge Bio:

Frosty Wooldridge possesses a unique view of the world, cultures and families in that he has bicycled around the globe 100,000 miles, on six continents and six times across the United States in the past 30 years. His books include, "HANDBOOK FOR TOURING BICYCLISTS"; "STRIKE THREE! TAKE YOUR BASE"; "BICYCLING AROUND THE WORLD"; "MOTORCYCLE ADVENTURE TO ALASKA: INTO THE WIND-A TEEN NOVEL"; "AN EXTREME ENCOUNTER: ANTARCTICA"; "IMMIGRATION'S UNARMED INVASION: DEA...

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Overpopulation in America

It's  astounding that this column doesn't enjoy 100 responses  already this day!  We're facing a financial meltdown, but worse, we're facing an overpopulation meltdown  even  more  devastating  because  once we add that 100 million, our civilization won't survive.  www.frostywooldridge.com

 

by Frosty Wooldridge (99 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 41 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 11:24:38 AM
 


Dr. John Moffett is an active research neuroscientist in the Washington, DC area, who has published over 45 scientific articles on the nervous and immune systems. Dr. Moffett is also the author and webmaster of the political opinion website www.Factinista.org, and is a Managing Editor at OpEdNews.com.
John R MoffettDr. John Moffett is an active research neuroscientist in the Washington, DC area, who has published over 45 scientific articles on the nervous and immune systems. Dr. Moffett is also the author and webmaster of the political opinion website www.Factinista.org, and is a Managing Editor at OpEdNews.com.

Maybe you should ask scientists

Scientists like me have been warning about overpopulation for decades.

 The problem isn't with scientists, it's with people, including politicians, who have no interest in family planning, or contraception. No interest in what the future will be like with 20 billion people on earth.

Don't worry. They'll get the message when the food riots and energy crisis get bad enough. China is already there. If people in the rest of the world keep breeding without regard for resources, the whole world will end up like China, restricting the number of children per family.

 

by John R Moffett (82 articles, 17 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 646 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 4:36:51 PM
 


DaveyS is a 5th-generation Texan now living in California, a proud liberal (product of the public education system in North Texas!), and a staunch critic of conservative policies that are destroying our nation.
daveysDaveyS is a 5th-generation Texan now living in California, a proud liberal (product of the public education system in North Texas!), and a staunch critic of conservative policies that are destroying our nation.

That's what I'm screaming.

Whatever happened to the high school health class study of population control?  Has it gone by the wayside?  Why do people feel inferior if they are unable to concieve children?  Why hasn't anyone fought back a little harder at the Catholic Church and stated that birth control is not evil or wrong? 

You will happy to know that as a moderately disabled adult gay male, I have no interest whatsoever (and have never had any interest whatsoever) in becoming a parent or passing these defective genes onto someone else.

by daveys (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 176 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 5:37:52 PM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

Well

I look at fertility rates in Europe, US and parts of Asia and they are at or below replacement level and have been for over 30 years.

People living longer increases population as does immigration (legal and illegal, and thei children born while in the US).  Of course, making medical care and insurance expensive has helped reduce the growth in US life expectancy to the point it is in decline.

Face it though, we import our population growth from other nations.

The reasons we allow immigration (legal and illegal) is for economic reasons.  It suppresses wages and it makes up for the reduced living standards of the population and allows economic growth to at least meet population growth (not much more than that unless you believe the bogus government economic indicators).   

  

 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 499 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 8:00:29 PM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

As To Global Warming

The hyothesis that man is causng the very limited warming seen over the last 130 years (0.6 deg C) is hardly proof that the world is overpopulated.   But the neo-malthusians would have us believe so, and those who see the profit potential in green fascism have formed an alliance between economists, business and science.  It is also a great way to obtain more powers over peoples lives by terrorizing people into believing they are going to die if they do not change their ways (consume less, lower your living standards).  Kind of like a religion, where Gaia is the goddess who will punish man for sinning against her.

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 499 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 8:08:59 PM
 


Patricia Ormsby is an environmental and health activist living Fujinomiya, Japan. She obtained her bachelors degree in Chemical Engineering from the University of Colorado in 1981 and studied Linguistics at the University of Michigan Graduate School before moving to Japan in 1984, where she has worked since as a language teacher and translator of Japanese and Russian technical documents. She hang glides and climbs mountains and has led several ecotours to Siberia, Canada and the United States....

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Patricia 0rmsbyPatricia Ormsby is an environmental and health activist living Fujinomiya, Japan. She obtained her bachelors degree in Chemical Engineering from the University of Colorado in 1981 and studied Linguistics at the University of Michigan Graduate School before moving to Japan in 1984, where she has worked since as a language teacher and translator of Japanese and Russian technical documents. She hang glides and climbs mountains and has led several ecotours to Siberia, Canada and the United States....

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"Green fascism"

is an oxymoron and a way of stifling anyone who advocates a rational and humane way out of our predicament which is becoming more and more apparent. Certain people want the Greens falsely associated with business and elitists in order to discredit them and keep the masses ignorant to what is transpiring.
I'm Green, I live rurally and farm organically. Most other Greens I know live similarly.

by Patricia 0rmsby (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 156 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 2:43:27 AM
 


I am a chemist and able to contribute to the debate about thermite.
gravity32I am a chemist and able to contribute to the debate about thermite.

overpopulation

pft, you are right that man-made CO2 is a minor component of the problems of the world, however you are using the wrong argument re population.

The correct argument is to ask: "Given that all resources are declining, how do we want the world to be for our children and their children? Do we want them to have reasonable access to energy? To materials like fertilizer? To food?"

Many people do not understand the connection between energy cost and food production. Nitrogenous fertilizer is really solidified electricity. Population control is the only logical way to maintain standards, or to be more exact, to allow the inevitable reduction is standards to be slow and not chaotic so that conflict for resources can be avoided.   

by gravity32 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 174 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 8:24:38 PM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

Well

I happen to believe we are not running out of resources (matter is simply transformed from one state to another, it is not lost, and can be recovered).   I  believe technology, science and competitive market forces would resolve all these issues in time, given the freedom to do so.   

And I am a skeptic about Big Oils claims we are running out of oil anytime soon.  After all, proven reserves have doubled over the last 35 years despite increasing consumption.  Nuclear energy, solar power plants in the worlds deserts, desalination of water from oceans, etc. are all solutions to perceived energy and water shortages. 

Unfortunately, we have no competitive markets (just monopolies and cartels),  fictitous capital is created to produce an financial weapon of mass destruction called derivatives, technology and science are capital starved by our neo-liberal economic policies and credit monoply called the Fed, unless they serve neo-malthusian political interests that promote AGW and overpopulation, and terrorize people so they surrender their freedoms to be "protected".

 

 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 499 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 2:01:42 AM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

Yes

I recognize the limits.  We have a vast sun which provides for great quantities of energy which can convert sea water to potable water and solar power plants in deserts could provide our electricity needs.  There are asteroids floating in space for metals, each one containing years supply.  We can create energy from matter (nuclear) and reprocess the fuel to reduce waste.  And we have much more oil than people think (read Thomas Gold).

The greenies want us to renounce energy consumption, lower living standards, and somehow move 6.6 billion to rural farms.  LOL.

Not against Environmentalism, just the carbon cap and trade scam made possible by the myth of AGW. 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 499 comments) on Monday, September 22, 2008 at 7:28:29 PM
 


Retired. Male. Western Minnesota. Social Science/Spanish undergrad majors. Master's in Counseling. Socialist.
Bryan EmmelRetired. Male. Western Minnesota. Social Science/Spanish undergrad majors. Master's in Counseling. Socialist.

Scientist succumb to political correctness

Scientists and academics do attempts to deal with the subject of overpopulation.  Jared Diamond in his best selling book "Collapse" compared the earth now to Easter Island then when the population outstripped its resources and he also pointed out primitive societies in outlying areas of Indonesia that were successful because they controlled their populations.

What we are dealing with here is the "Moron Factor."  This is a powerful and growing swing toward retro evolution where people believe in some superstition about the end of the world and then go about making it happen. 

by Bryan Emmel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 218 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:00:36 AM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

But

We are a technologically advanced industrial society.  These primitive societies are not comparable.

But there certainly does seem to be some serious de-evolution going on in America, with the end times crowd on the right, and the new pseudo-science religion of the left preaching the end of the world unless we reduce living standards and stop sinning against Gaia.

 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 499 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 2:08:39 AM
 


A grouchy but well-informed know-all with much experience of the low-down low-life infesting and animating 'high-finance', and what to do about it, Keith P. occasionally emerges from the obscure depths of the Youreapeon forests to eye the current world, growl a few obscenities and lurch back into the darkness whence he came.
amazinA grouchy but well-informed know-all with much experience of the low-down low-life infesting and animating 'high-finance', and what to do about it, Keith P. occasionally emerges from the obscure depths of the Youreapeon forests to eye the current world, growl a few obscenities and lurch back into the darkness whence he came.

Let's get it straight

Directly due to the infliction of finance, we have to work to make the money to pay for food and other essentials which have been acquired so we have to pay for them.  For this we have to use the fiction of finance.

Seventy percent of work done is unnecessary, but is just to make the money to pay for the food and . . .   The extra energy used in performing this unnecessary work is overheating the planet.  Eliminate the extra work and the overheating of the planet will stop - in time.

The planet can feed a hundred billion people.  At present there is food aplenty for ten billion, but because of the existence of money, half the planet's population is hungry now.

We do not import the immigrants.  They are imported, and the reason admitted for this is to destabilize our family-nations, and to make less obvious the presence of the aliens who manipulate all our countries.

Recognize this, and abolish finance, and you eliminate most of the world's problems at a stroke.

Then why not eliminate finance? 

 

by amazin (34 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 400 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 2:33:31 AM
 


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Patricia 0rmsbyPatricia Ormsby is an environmental and health activist living Fujinomiya, Japan. She obtained her bachelors degree in Chemical Engineering from the University of Colorado in 1981 and studied Linguistics at the University of Michigan Graduate School before moving to Japan in 1984, where she has worked since as a language teacher and translator of Japanese and Russian technical documents. She hang glides and climbs mountains and has led several ecotours to Siberia, Canada and the United States....

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Thank you for writing this!

I'm sad to see the attacks on you and others who speak up about this vital issue. Too many other people are intimidated by the false associations with eugenics or assertions of fairy-tale figures for how many people the earth could support. We are up against a lot of indoctrination both with regard to world carrying capacity and end times (meaning no responsibility for the future). But I think most people do recognize overpopulation as a serious and growing problem. We need to encourage them to take responsibility for their children's future by not having too many children and to resist people who try to tell them otherwise. I think a strong repudiation of the false arguments I've seen among the comments to your article is important. (I've addressed a couple.)

by Patricia 0rmsby (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 156 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 3:04:15 AM
 


10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,
Gallaher10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,

Scientists Succumb to Political Correctness?

None of them that I've ever known.

I think I know several scientists very well, my father, my brother, my brother in-law, and countless co-workers.

All most all scientists I know also teach at colleges and are very liberal.

It goes to say that they depend on hand outs from the government to do their work.

Even if it is military research, it is the liberal side of the government that they sway not politically correct.

 

by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 761 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 8:33:43 AM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Fuuny people you all are

Hyde Park with a twist. 

The whole bunch of you are shouting 'overpopulation'  and want  OTHER people to control themselves in their procreation. Well, in my family who survived in the 20th Century  a bloody revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII and Eastern European local wars that ' control' did happen by attrition. My son is the first person in 5 generations who has a decent chance to  die in his own bed and on his own soil. I  sure as Hell want him to have as many kids as he wants and  I think my family fully deserves it and I do not think that is overpopulation. I wonder how anyone of you would like to feel if someone imposes a limit on how many kids and when and where you should have.

I especially like that ' enthropy' reference. Never pulled a rank before but I am a PhD in Physical Chemistry which includes Thermodynamics as a subdiscipline and Enthropy rising  concept though useful  very much in designing the  power systems properly ( Thermoeconomics)   does not apply to societies and also should not be used when describing open systems as Earth in a Universe.

Mr. Woolridge  does it not for the first time.  We all know that we here on Earth are in peril but we also know, whoever thinks by something more than his  lower part  that that peril is not  due to overpopulation but due to the simple fact  that about 80% of the human population has to live in survival cycle from day to day. Moroever, that cycle is deliberate and imposed.  Moreover, we pushed those 80% into the catastrophic oblivion- we do not use those people as a source of thinking power.  Moreover, due to that we  think less and less and that is reflected in our decisions, dismal  to say the least.  Earth can get an abundance of energy from space  for instance but  if we continue to make war machines that effort would never  start. There are ice cubes bombarding the Earth too- we can get as much water as we need but if we have it  Mr. Wooldridge's way I guarantee that we will get nothing but war and in that war we surely  will all die quickly and our fears would be over.

 

by Mark Sashine (53 articles, 19 quicklinks, 249 diaries, 3571 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 9:30:38 AM
 


Frosty Wooldridge Bio:

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Frosty WooldridgeFrosty Wooldridge Bio:

Frosty Wooldridge possesses a unique view of the world, cultures and families in that he has bicycled around the globe 100,000 miles, on six continents and six times across the United States in the past 30 years. His books include, "HANDBOOK FOR TOURING BICYCLISTS"; "STRIKE THREE! TAKE YOUR BASE"; "BICYCLING AROUND THE WORLD"; "MOTORCYCLE ADVENTURE TO ALASKA: INTO THE WIND-A TEEN NOVEL"; "AN EXTREME ENCOUNTER: ANTARCTICA"; "IMMIGRATION'S UNARMED INVASION: DEA...

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Overpopulation in America

Mark,

That wins the MOST ridiculous response title of all the comments to my  column.  Hard  to comprehend you enjoy  such  educational achievements! Humans accelerate their numbers toward  a nasty future with  water shortages,  energy  shortages, air pollution, species  extinction, horrific  crowding,  degrading of quality of life, gridlocked  cities, loss of nature, loss of land, loss of  habitat--and  you write as if you know something when you don't.  Einstein said, "There are two things infinite: the universe and human  stupidity."  You prove him  a wise man.   The fact remains,  while  the US remains stable as US women enjoy 2.03  fertility, so yes, you can have  your  share  of kids as  you choose, but places like China and  India cannot  because  they DID have  five  and ten kids until now, they're forced to  have one  at their own  hands or nature will do it for them.  Additionally,  Dr. Albert  Bartlett  proves  one of the most brilliant minds on what we face while you  don't have  a clue.  Henry Kendall said  it best, "We  can bring  about population stabilization gracefully with birth control or nature will do  it brutally."  It's only  a matter of time one way or the  other.  I'll pick the more  intelligent way  of population stabilization  by our  hand  rather than nature's.  BTW, nature  already  starves to death 18 million people annually around the globe. You're just  lucky you don't live  in those  countries where death from  starvation is an hourly  event.    Again, this country  needs to get down  to such policies as "National Sustainable  Population  Policy" ; "National Water  Usage Policy"; "National  Carrying Capacity  Policy".  Each state needs such a policy.  Since  immigration fuels  our overpopulation, we need to reduce it  to less than 100,000  annually.   We need  to get  real on how many  people  the US can sustain and live within  that number.  FW www.frostywooldridge.com; www.numbersusa.com  (non-partisan and highly effective)

by Frosty Wooldridge (99 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 41 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:13:56 AM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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My dear Frosty

Everyone gets what he can from the wisdom of the geniuses. What else had you received from Einstein, I wonder? Which book of quotes did you use? I bet 100% that if only he could hear you he would... you know, send you back in a relative way.  If you are so worried about overpopulation- start with yourself and your family.  Impose  the caps on how many kids can they have and see if these loving people would not.. you, know, get rid of you evntually.

BTW, Frosty, I am not mad at you  at all. I think you are a waste of pixels and that is, in fact the sign of the Opednews  overpopulation, so to speak but   looks like  you just add to the mosaic.  People see what you are,  see that there are some people who  like you have a ' a dignity of the hard chancre' and it is useful too.  See,  everyone contributes, even in  such bizarre way as yours.

I am sorry for being a little nasty but  you asked for it.

 

by Mark Sashine (53 articles, 19 quicklinks, 249 diaries, 3571 comments) on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:33:00 AM
 


Skin diver, spear fisher, trash collector, roughneck, scuba diver, football player, tennis player, mechanical engineer, aerospace engineer, husband, father, math teacher, fisherman.
Paul RyeSkin diver, spear fisher, trash collector, roughneck, scuba diver, football player, tennis player, mechanical engineer, aerospace engineer, husband, father, math teacher, fisherman.

Not so funny, but I'm with you on this one

It is ironic that while the depradations of the Repubs are reviled by Dems, and population control is high on their list of favored ways to control the unwashed and unwanted, it is also high on the list of elite Dems as well. Because at the very top, there is only really one elite group, the group that represents no party or people except itself.

Simple observation reveals not only that the well-educated and affluent middle class have fewer children, but when formerly fertile poor become affluent their fertility drops abruptly.  It doesn't take much reasoning power to see that it isn't the middle class overpopulating the world. 

It is a greedy, power hungry elite that aspires to be like Pharoah, that NEEDS to eliminate competition and needs large numbers of poor, powerless workers to feed its wealth and power habits and has designed a political and economic system, including a particularly diabolical monetary system, seeking to drive everyone else from the throne, that builds the population bomb.

Sure, the elite talk a good game when they mention the need to control world population, but what they really mean is THEY wish to decide who can have children and who cannot, who lives and who dies.  Just as you do not see the elite dying when we go to war either. They need more disposable ants, not potential competitors.

Population control can be forced or voluntary.  If it is practiced before the planet's carrying capacity is truly reached, it will be voluntary or forced.  If it is voluntary, evolution will eliminate those who practice it, and voluntary practice will literally die out.  If it is forced, some will decide for others.  As things stand now, the elite will decide.

Before modern agriculture, technology, and medicine, Nature decided who lives and who dies and ultimately Nature will again decide, when the planet's carrying capacity is truly reached.  I am amenable to taking any course of action that makes sense with respect to obtaining better societal organization, making better use of resources, cutting down on pollution and wasteful practices, etc, but ultimately all such efforts only lead to increasing the carrying capacity of the planet.

When that carrying capacity is finally reached, I am willing to accept Nature's decision; until then I do not trust anyone else's decision as what to do with my children's or my potential children's lives.

by Paul Rye (7 articles, 2 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 334 comments) on Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 1:41:50 PM