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August 20, 2008 at 08:25:11

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Headlined on 8/20/08:
New Zogby/Reuters Poll: Obama Down 5, in an Almost Perfect Storm

by Rob Kall

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Obama in Deep Doo Doo

Between the bashing he's been receiving from dirtball Jerome Corsi, his low profile during the Russian invasion of Georgia and his movement to the right, Obama is in deep doo doo, according to a Zogby Reuters poll. The poll shows McCain ahead of Obama by five points, with Obama losing ground with some of his most important bases.

Obama Support

July

August

Difference

Democrats

83%

74%

-9

Women

50%

42%

-8

Catholics

47%

36%

-11

Ages <35

59%

47%

-12

College Grads

51%

40%

-11

Live in Cities

54%

43%

-11

Income <$50,000

53%

46%

-7

Southerners

46%

35%

-11


Pollster John Zogby observed, "Since Obama returned from his overseas trip, it seems like McCain has thrown all the punches. Clearly, the blows have landed. In recent days, Obama is fighting back, going after McCain on the economy, the issue voters care about most. McCain has changed the dynamic of the race heading into the two conventions. That puts more pressure on Obama to go to Denver and effectively define himself and McCain."

It is not unreasonable to apply another consideration to current polls-- the potential for the "Bradley Effect" to kick in. Bradley, the mayor of Los Angeles, and a black, ran for governor of California. Polls predicted he woudl win,. but many white voters who said in polls that they'd vote for him lied. For Obama to win, he needs more than a small poll margin predicting victory. He needs a margin big enough to overcome the Bradley effect. White voters will lie and say they will vote for him when they really won't.

Obama may be hitting a perfect storm of bad news this week. The approval for the Dem led congress is down to 9%, down to 6% for independents and only 12% for DEMOCRATS!

Zogby reports, "Likely voters remain pessimistic about the direction in which the country is headed, with 70% who believe the nation is on the wrong track compared with 73% who said the same in July. Democrats are most likely to take a negative view of the countrys direction, with 86% who now say the country is on the wrong track, a slight increase from 84% who said the same last month. Fewer political independents now think the country is on the wrong track, 73% this month, falling from 82% who said the same in July. Republicans are also less likely to think the country is headed in the wrong direction, with just over half (51%) who now hold that view, compared to 55% last month."

. Bush's approval is slightly up from 25 to 29% approval overall, though one good sign is that for independents, Bush's approval has fallen from 27% in July to 22% in August.

Lower gas prices, the bump in the dollar, and distractions from bad news as the MSM have focused on the feel good coverage of the Beijing Olympics may be contributing to this McCain bump. But that would suggest that Obama's previous leads have been based more on dissatisfaction with Bush and the current state of affairs rather than positive support for Obama. It may indicate that it's not Obama, it's the change he offers that's driven his positive positive poll results before.

On the progressive, further left side of the aisle, there is not a lot of great enthusiasm for Obama. There IS hope. Most progressives knew all along that Obama was not a progressive or even a liberal-- that he was a centrist democrat, not far from bluedog. That's why he was not the choice of most of the progressives and liberals in the blogosphere. When the primary contest narrowed down to Obama and Clinton, with Obama being more of an unknown, and Clinton, having a long history as a centrist, even right wing Democratic Leadership Council Democrat, it was a natural step for progressives to take to back the less right wing candidate. But enthusiastic is not the word one would apply to progressive interest in Obama. They, for the most part, see him as far superior to Republican McCain, but also a disappointment, because of his soft stance on continuing the war, his betrayal on FISA immunity for telecoms, his position on gun control and other examples where he moved towards the right. There's a saying about centrists that progressives often cite-- "People would rather vote for real Republicans than Democrats who act like Republicans.

The fact that Obama is even losing among women is very bad news for Obama, as women are among the strongest demographic for supporting Democrats. Now, this number change once the final convention votes are over and Hillary is officially out of the race. I have a feeling there's still a strong, pent up holding back by a considerable percentage of Hillary supporters-- which will ultimately go Obama's way.

Obama's strongest base is among young voters, under 25. But these are the most unreliable voters and recent polls suggest their intentions to vote are dropping quickly. These poll results look a lot worse if you factor in the reality that among those under 25 voters, a daunting percentage will, instead of voting, stay in their dorm playing on-line multiplayer or the lastest shoot-em up or music video games.

Another point where Obama is in trouble is third party candidates. The Zogby poll asked about Libertarian Bob Barr, independent Ralph Nader and "someone else," the response that pulled more than Barr or Nader. The someone else Obama has nipping at his heels is very likely green party candidate Cynthia McKinney. She's the candidate most often mentioned by progressives who say there's no difference between Dems and Republicans, who say they will no longer vote for the "lesser of two evils." .


 

Total

 


%

 


Barack Obama

38.8

 


John McCain

44.0

 


Ralph Nader

1.9

 


Bob Barr

2.6

 


Someone else

3.0

 


NS

9.6

 


Total

100.0

 



Former Democratic congresswoman McKinney was defeated in her last Democratic primary by a much more right-leaning, AIPAC supporting democrat. I'm convinced she was one of those rare incumbents booted out of office because of her opposition to US policy towards Israel. I don't think that's the main reason progressives are supporting her. It's one factor, but most are supporting her because she is not what they consider a corporatist who has "sold out to corporate interests."

This race is still Obama's to lose. There is a huge amount of dissatisfaction with George Bush and the Republican brand, but Republicans are very good at turning voters against Democrats, especially those who don't fight back and who those who try to act like Republicans. As soon as Obama returned from his vacation, he started talking about the economy-- using language almost identical to what Paul Krugman advised that he use in his latest NY Times column.

It looks like Obama is depending upon his political advisors to bring him to victory. Kerry did the same thing. They may have helped him play the primary game, with effective caucus and delegate strategy and gamesmanship defeating Hillary, but to win the presidency, you have to do more. You have to go all the way, showing who you are, what you stand for and what you'll fight for. Mike Dukakis demonstrated how successful Democrats are when they refuse to get tough and fight. Obama better do what he's said and prove to McCain that he doesn't know who he's dealing with-- and make sure McCain finds out soon that Obama is tough enough to fight McCain-- which might show Americans he's tough enough to stand up to our enemies. That will help with the male vote. To get the women's vote Obama needs to show he's a real Democrat, not a Republican lite.

One issue that's a powerful wedge issue Democrats should be using full force this cycle is birth control. The Bush administration is trying to lump birth control/contraception with abortion. Obama and every Democrat running for office should be making it their number one issue after the economy, forcing Republican opponents to take positions on health insurance funding for contraceptives. This has already tripped up McCain, when he was asked why Viagra should be covered and not birth control. It's an issue that drives a huge wedge between pro-life supporters and women who believe in birth control-- an issue that could further divide the evangelical right and weaken the right's hold on them.

This is just one poll, but it captures a moment when a number of forces oppose Obama's favor. It could happen again, in November, particularly with the help of Bush and the right wing's predilection for October Surprises. Obama has the potential to overcome it, but this poll should be a wake-up call that he's not going to coast in and he's not going to do it selling out his progressive base. Most contemporary presidents have won by less than two percentage points. Obama is now losing 5% to Nader and "someone else" and he's losing to women. He better figure out fast how to turn those two factors around.

 

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Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

It's a choice between a real Republican and a fake one.

One noteworthy feature about how this has happened is that it's Obama who has chosen to play the entire ballgame on rightwing turf. McCain hasn't moved a millimeter leftwards; while Obama has positioned himself as a virtual Republican -- pandering to TV preachers, evangelical reactionaries, AIPAC zealots, Miami anti-Castro fanatics, Reagan admirers, & the like. Obama is just as enthusiastic about the "War on Terror" as Bush or McCain.

Question for Rob: You use this phrase: "...which might show Americans he's tough enough to stand up to our enemies..," apparently recommending that Obama do something along these lines. I hope you realize that this entire idea is nuts. America doesn't have "enemies" that need to be "stood up to." The only reason we have enemies is because we're constantly trying to bully the rest of the world, & they've  naturally come to resent it. America doesn't have to be "tough" -- it's already way too tough. It has to look at itself in the mirror, & renounce the path of global domination.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1232 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 10:02:50 AM
 


Brent Turner is an election integrity activist. He has founded numerous activist groups- He is an Oxford graduate currently living in California.
Brent TurnerBrent Turner is an election integrity activist. He has founded numerous activist groups- He is an Oxford graduate currently living in California.

Bad vibe

Is this a joke ?   Polls should be illegal as corruptive to the electoral process..-  Better minds conclude Rueters and Zogby to be part and parcel to the election reform debacle-   Skewing poll results to justify bogus vote counts is a crime against the state and the people of the world-   Crooked pollsters. and those who assist them, should be noted by all as part of this sinister game.   BT

by Brent Turner (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 94 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 11:32:49 AM
 


Bia Winter is an Artist/Writer from Maine, and has been an activist and letter-writer since the 60's. In 2004 she received the Roger Baldwin Award from the Maine American Civil Liberties Union for furthering Democracy after she got a Resolution Against the USA"Patriot"Act passed in her small home town of Mount Vernon, by overwhelming show-of-hands vote at Town Meeting. She continues to Write, Activate and Cartoon for Progressive causes. Her Letters are often seen in the Baltimore Chronicle, as w...

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Bia WinterBia Winter is an Artist/Writer from Maine, and has been an activist and letter-writer since the 60's. In 2004 she received the Roger Baldwin Award from the Maine American Civil Liberties Union for furthering Democracy after she got a Resolution Against the USA"Patriot"Act passed in her small home town of Mount Vernon, by overwhelming show-of-hands vote at Town Meeting. She continues to Write, Activate and Cartoon for Progressive causes. Her Letters are often seen in the Baltimore Chronicle, as w...

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Exactly

Beyond the very valid reasons Obama's not doing better, is the initial question about why he's down in the polls; my first reaction was "IS he?"

I've had the feeling for some time that these polls are seriously skewed -especially right-wing Zogby! It's just a matter of questioning the "Right" people, after all!

Still, Obama would do well to heed the advice here.

He may have to go as far as selecting Hillery after all to win.  Selecting Bayh, Biden, or the guy from Virginia just ain't gonna get it! (although I like the Caroline Kennedy idea of Moore's!)

(Sigh) the Year of Pragmatism!

by Bia Winter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 419 comments) on Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 8:25:54 AM
 


I invented an earth-friendly tool, the bucket SLOGG. Its a five gallon bucket cleaning/recycling tool made from stainless steel. It has hundreds of uses.

I am very, very pro Dennis Kucinich and very anti mainstream media and corporation. Corporations are killing democracy and the media is complicit.

I am female, 51 years old, pleasantly married and quite independent... except that I am a registered democrat, but will change that to independent if Kucinich doesn't get...

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bucketsloggI invented an earth-friendly tool, the bucket SLOGG. Its a five gallon bucket cleaning/recycling tool made from stainless steel. It has hundreds of uses.

I am very, very pro Dennis Kucinich and very anti mainstream media and corporation. Corporations are killing democracy and the media is complicit.

I am female, 51 years old, pleasantly married and quite independent... except that I am a registered democrat, but will change that to independent if Kucinich doesn't get...

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The Polls, like the news, is MANUFACTURED -here's why...

Clearly Republicans are dead in the water and the Democrats have been blocking impeachment, funding the war, passing FISA, funding big PhRMA, etc., etc., etc., on and on and on... face it -there are maybe seven members of congress who aren't dirty.

I firmly believe that there has been such a mass exodus from the Democratic Party and the admitted dearth of donations should bear this out that the head-cheezes are putting out orders to falsify the polls to make it seem that McCain is in the lead only to scare people into voting democrat.  In the final analysis, it doesn't matter which party takes power... they own them both.  Herd in all those, and I don't say sheeple because they are the opposite, who might be leaning Green Party or Independent.

Case in point:  Bob Barr and Nader's ratings barely register.  Are you kidding me?  These clowns still want to keep the polish on the myth that there are only two parties in this race.

DON'T BUY THE HYPE... I'm not going to pull the lever for the immoral turd who will lie, tax, poison, bankrupt, terrorize, imprison me. and ruin my environment, kill my children and neighbors, make wealthy wealthier and make me their slave, treat animals like they are plants, etc., etc., etc., on to infinitum...

peace, love and mercy... pass it on.

by bucketslogg (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 86 comments) on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 4:12:50 AM
 


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Obama the Lama

Unless Obama shows some balls he's going to go the way of Kerry and Gore. Voters perceive him as a "willy milquetoast" and not a pugilist. He needs to take the gloves off and hit hard and hit again. His rescindent positions on the Iraq war and FISA turned off many "progressives". People are really pissed off after the democrats folded two years ago after promising change, but then did nothing. There's no incentive to vote for another mediocre candidate who tries to appease everyone, votes "present", and otherwise offers nothing of substance to differentiate himself from the mentally deficient McCain.

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A white male VP might be the nail in Obama's coffin

Linda Milazzo, Michael Moore and I (in separate articles on this site) all proposed Caroline Kennedy for VP, and according to this Zogby poll, she might be the one thing that can save Obama now. Think of the effect her participation would have on all the groups listed in the table, above: her presence would make an immediate reversal on most of them.  Not to mention that it’s time for a woman VP.

by Meryl Ann Butler (49 articles, 53 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 449 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 10:40:33 AM
 


Jim Freeman's op-ed pieces and commentaries have appeared in The New York Times, Chicago Tribune, International Herald-Tribune, CNN, The New York Review, The Jon Stewart Daily Show and a number of magazines.
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Caroline Kennedy

Good god, why not Minnie Mouse?

If Obama loses to McCain, it will merely prove that the lights are well and truly out in America and we need no one to flip off the switch.

What the hell is this, American idol?

by Jim Freeman (108 articles, 53 quicklinks, 224 diaries, 386 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 11:56:42 AM
 


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R. A. LouisRay Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
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If Obama had tried just a little bit to stay true...

If he didn't sell out on FISA, the Patriot Act, Afghanistan, off-shore drilling, etc., he could have balanced (what would have been) some of his truly progressive liberalism with a tough guy (like Wesley Clark) to balance the ticket.  But now that he's alienated so much of his leftist support he'll have to consider that when choosing his running mate.  And another perceived liberal on the the ticket won't help him with the votes he needs from the so-called center. Clinton would, unfortunately, be his best option to shore up the center.   But does enough of the voting public really want her to be the VP?  Maybe, I don't know.

But that's all he had to do... keep his left support happy and then balance the ticket with some token good ol' boy.  Not that I'm an Obama backer, but he should have had this election won already.  Instead, he just kept blatantly selling out and now he's going to have a weak ticket as a consequence.  McCain, on the other hand, will probably run with some big image politician and get a shoo-in.  I think the real threat in that regard would be Lieberman.  I mean... if Obama and his running mate both appeal to the left, a McCain/Lieberman ticket could destroy any chance they have (as those two are often presented and perceived as "centrists").  

I'm still hopeful that McCain and Obama will actually come to blows during one of their debates so we'll truly have a better idea of who should lead this nation.  After all, Putin is a judo expert donchaknow.

by R. A. Louis (10 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 69 comments) on Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 2:56:05 AM
 


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erik mouseconcerned citizen of planet earth

This race should be a shut out

Obama should be winning by 20% or more.  The problem is he is fighting against the Republicans most effective and deftly wielded weapon ... American stupidity.  I consider myself to be extremely lucky in that I have the time to read about news and all manor of issues both foreign and domestic at great length.  I am considerably well informed on everything from abortion to macro economics to current geopolitical conflicts and their historical context.  But most voters in America are not so lucky.  They rely on local news and sometimes CNN or Faux for their understanding of world events.  Each day I read cnn online just to see what the world looks like through the eyes of the average American.  What I find is that plain every day folks are not only completely blind to most the problems they should be concerned with, they are also misinformed, mislead, and manipulated on those problems they do hear about.  Obama would clearly make a better president but he has go through the near impossible task of educating Americans to the point that would allow them to realize it.  And although I believe there is a deliberate anti-intellectualism movement in America, the real fault for this phenomenon lies with the press. 

by erik mouse (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 106 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 10:40:33 AM
 


I live in the Pacific Northwest and I am interested in current affairs.
JOHN LORENZI live in the Pacific Northwest and I am interested in current affairs.

Obama may well lose the election and here's why:

This hurts me to say it, it genuinely hurts me, but I don’t think Obama will win for the following reasons:

 

1)      It seems that no presidential or vice presidential candidate with a foreign sounding, non redneck-mainstream name ever seems to win. Witness Dukakis, Lieberman, Barry Goldwater (sounded Jewish),  there may be others. American’s don’t like a name that doesn’t sound white, mainstreet and that  has more than two syllables. Won’t vote for ‘em.

2)      Obama is too intelligent and intellectual. The same mistake George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, John Kerry made was that they didn’t realize that the American public wants “all stupid all the time”;  they want black and white contrasts presented to them; they want militaristic, sloganeering, simple minded, instant solutions to all national problems and the Democrats keep  forgetting that the public dislikes nuance and detailed policy presentations that require a bit of rationality. Public hates that.. It makes their brains hurt and they even suspect a person who is too ‘pointy headed’as if they aren’t somehow manly enough. The public hates a candidate who advocates any forethought, any planning, any deferred gratification or any telling of inconvenient truth. Witness the reelection of George W. Bush even after being caught in more than one  scandal between 2000 and 2004, even after starting a bogus war and bankrupting the country.  The public knew Bush was a lying crook but didn’t care. He offered them those comfortable slogans and that smearing that the public loves so much even as it complains about negative campaigning. Bush played Rovian slanderous, patriot-baiting politics.and the American public mistook it for ‘decisiveness’.

3)      .Obama hasn’t been on the offensive in this campaign. As Michael Moore says, whoever isn’t attacking first and doing the defining is losing. Obama ought to have been constant and relentless on McCain as McBush. Instead he just issues a few vague attacks but then lets McCain’s low blows keep  landing with a daily drumbeat in the co-conspiratorial mainstream press which has already anointed McCain and has decided Obama isn’t up to the job. And this, in spite of the fact that McCain is a liar, has a terrible record of duplicity, dirty dealing, bad character, bad temper, falsified hero status, and so forth. The false public image of himself put out there has stuck, to his benefit in the public mind, in spite of his obviously being a slanderer, and committing multiple gaffes that ought to call into question his fitness and expert status. The press passes over McCain’s constant outbreaks of dishonesty and instead  credits him with being an experienced, steady, maverick, a cranky but kindly old grandfather figure who will keep our country safe from those big bad Russians and all the terrorists over whom McCain promises easy victory. Yes, the press  kingmakers have decided on McCain, probably aided by hefty influence from Exxon Mobile and other right-leaning corpies with fat wallets. The press is a big factor in this. They tell the public what to think and the public thinks exactly what they’re told to think. 

4)      If Obama doesn’t pick Hillary to be his running mate and let her and Bill run interference for him, then he’ll lose. Plain and simple. And it sounds like he hasn’t picked Hillary. Biden  won’t get the job done, much less unknowns like Kaine or Bayh. Even if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat and nominates Wesley Clarke so he can run on national security, Obama is going to have to

completely change his current campaign tactics of letting McCain call the shots or he’ll lose.

 

I think he’s going to lose and it pains me beyond compare, because I see exactly what John McCain is, and I will say with confidence that if and when McCain gets in, it will certainly be the end of this country because McCain is crazy, dishonest, unprincipled, low down and dirty. He will make a much worse president even than George W. Bush and in the deal may just start a nuclear war when the USA runs out of credit, out of military options and out of time. McCain is so enamored of war and has such a hot temper, I do believe  he’d press the button and wipe us all out in the name of vengeance and national security.

 

So the long and short of it is Obama is too smart, too foreign sounding, too rational, not mean, down and dirty enough and is too black to become president. The rednecks, a lot of them, will vote on the basis of something as stupid as race or foreign sounding name. America is too moronic to elect Barack Obama. I’m really sorry to have to say all this but it is how I see it.

 

by JOHN LORENZ (17 articles, 89 quicklinks, 67 diaries, 220 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 10:45:23 AM
 


Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

You forgot about the facts that he stands for nothing, & is

Republican-Lite. Don't you suppose the public can see that he's adopted almost all Republican positions, & that this demonstrates gutlessness and lack of conviction?

The guy panders to AIPAC, the anti-Castro fanatics, evangelicals & TV preachers. He supports the fraudulent "War on Terror." He sided with Scalia on several recent Court decisions. He took Bush's position on FISA. Why should the public choose the "more-intelligent" wannabe-warmonger over the real thing? Obama is running a rightwing campaign, trying to compete on the traditional turf of Republicans. If the public wants a rightwinger, they may as well choose the real thing.

Obama's problem is not being "too intelligent" or too "foreign-sounding." Rather, exactly like Kerry & Gore before him (who were also more intelligent than their opponent), he's not really offering anything to the public, and they can see it.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1232 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 12:31:22 PM
 


Retired university professor.
francineRetired university professor.

hardly surprising

The Obama campaign gas been inept so far, letting his candidate being railroaded all over by the Rovians in  McCain's staff.

Obama lecturing McCain: ''dignify your campaign'', for God's sake. When you hire Rove's thugs to run your campaign, it's obviously because YOU DON'T WANT a dignified campaign, you want under the belt blows, slander, lies and dirty tricks. The world is a nasty place, and Obama better get used to it, fast, instead of ''rising above the fray'' and ''taking the high road'' straight to nowhere.

The Obama image is beginning to set in people's mind: weak, too angelic, too academic, can't fight worth a damn, no balls, a loser--like Kerry, like Gore. He will have a hard time changing it now.

by francine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 370 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 10:53:00 AM
 


Retired university professor.
francineRetired university professor.

Mr Lorenz

Your analysis is sharp and absolutely spot on. Intellectualism is the kiss of death in the US; apparently Obama hasn't figured out yet that when he talks to American voters, he is not addressing a class of law students at Harvard.

And this notion that ''Americans will know better'' than to fall for McCain's BS and slander!!! No, they won't; a minority of them will, the rest is either too brainwashed to know better, or too tired to search for the information they need to know better, what with the two jobs, mortgage and bills to pay.

Appealing to their higher sense of ethics is not a valid electoral strategy against Republicans, you might as well lecture a pig about not wallowing in the mud. In fact, it's annoying as hell and it's beginning to grate on everybody's nerves, including staunch Democratic supporters.

by francine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 370 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 11:20:46 AM
 


I live in the capital city of a major blue state.
MaxwellI live in the capital city of a major blue state.

A couple of points

If progressives had gotten their way the presumptive nominee would now be...John Edwards!

Perhaps Obama and his people are concentrating on the big poll in November, the one that counts. 

 

by Maxwell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 275 comments) on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 11:51:54 AM