Hamas' declared intention is genocide against Israel and perpetual war.

And you are defending that with upper-white-middle-class bourgeois  leftism because why? Do you believe in that? Is that what you think is good and right?

So you claim that these rockets are "for the most part ineffectual" is a reason to leave them flying in? By that logic, the crack house down the street should be left alone because the bullets that hit your house are "for the most part ineffectual." 

The left in the USA is bankrupt, as ideologically bankrupt as the idiot right.  Your title uses the meme of "never again" that another holocaust might never happen, that we not be silent in the face of such things. But what is going on in Gaza is the opposite of what happened in the holocaust, and I am not referring to the fact that it is Jews who are attacking. 

The Holocaust was perpetratd on non-violent people who were selected for elimination precisely because they were vulnerable and had property. Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood "Shade of the Koran" ilk have selected Israel and its Jews for elimination precisely because they have property. At the beginning when Israel was attacked from all sides, they were thought by the Arabs to be vulnerable also. The people who left Israel, knowing the attack was coming, thought they would come back and take not just their own property back, but that of many Jews, and thereby become rich. 

Israel is defending itself. Israel has a right to get rid of people and organizations that want to destroy them, just like you and I do. 

by John Toradze (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 85 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:29:12 PM

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Did you wipe it after this came out?

How dare you mention Orwell you vile propagandist?

You are the one using Newspeak here, I know an agent when I read one.

by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:09:38 PM

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The only way you are able to enact such a "right" is by ruthless application of base power and brute force. 

Yours are not the values of a humane or even civilized being,  but of something quite monstrous.

by Aurora (0 articles, 95 quicklinks, 52 diaries, 648 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:17:31 PM

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Anarchy In The UK (and the birth of SGS - STOP GAZA SLAUGHTER) By Yvonne Ridley December 28, 2008 "Information Clearinghouse" -- THE murderous military campaign which has been unleashed by Israel has provoked people across the world to demonstrate, rally and protest in their hundreds of thousands. Soon the movement will turn into millions as more ordinary, decent citizens of the world show their disgust at the barbarism of Israel ... and the cowardly silence of our own leaders. This is no longer a political issue, or a Middle East issue. It is a case of what is right and what is wrong, and what is decent and what is inhumane. And ordinary people are now taking the initiative because they can no longer rely on their political leaders to show any of the human qualities demanded of them including strength, integrity or compassion. British people, normally reserved and controlled, brought anarchy to the streets of upscale Kensington yesterday as they stormed barracades and pushed past police to head towards the Israeli Embassy in London. There was more anarchy in Scotland as our friends over the Border vented their spleen over the war crimes and massacre carried out by Israel. And unless British Prime Minister Gordon Brown gets some lead in his pencil, the anarchy will continue. I am normally a law-abiding citizen, but the anger and shame I felt drove me to join those who tore down the barriers on Saturday. Gordon Brown is the very man who lectured us about what it is to be British. Well let me turn the tables on this pathetic, self-serving man who does not deserve to lead our country. Being British is about fair play, justice and humanity ... standing up for the underdog in the face of bullies. Brown, like other leaders around the world, simply looked the other way as the Israeli military jackbooted its way through the blood dripped gutters once trawled by the Nazis to kill, massacre and maim. In the final days of December 2008 Gordon Brown will be remembered for acting like one of the silent cowards who hangs uncomfortably on the edge of the schoolyard as the bully kicks and thumps the little, weak child. And that feckless fool David Milliband is no better. While Brown told journalists he was "deeply concerned" over Israeli actions, the British Foreign secretary urged Israel to abide by its "humanitarian obligations". And it was their weasly words which was directly responsible for the lawlessness which erupted in the streets of London on Saturday, and I'll tell you why. I was outraged and ashamed by the weakness shown by Milliband and Brown and called my good friend Ghada Razuki. We have both been to Palestine and we have both been to Gaza and we were both repelled by the pathetic reaction of our government. So we decided to launch SGS - Stop Gaza Slaughter - and call for a rally. We began hitting the phones. Many organised groups were already planning a demonstration for the Sunday and they urged us to wait. One told me: "You do not have police permission". Almost choking with rage, I responded: "Permission? Permission to demonstrate and march and exercise my democratic right to protest? This is Britain! And did Israel ask anyone for permission to bomb Gaza?" But Ghada did call the police and inform them that we were planning a demo - in truth I thought around 30 of us might turn up to respond, but it seems that we were not the only ones who were outraged by the silence of Messrs Brown and Co. "I thought you said only 30 were going to turn up, there must be 3,000 here now," said one police officer. I just shrugged my shoulders and said I had no idea a few text messages, FaceBook and a blog could have resulted in such a turnout. In truth I am sure many who arrived in Kensington on Saturday would have come anyway. But what happened was pure 'people power' and this is what happens when you have a leader who commands little or no respect. When the people lead, the leaders will follow and I think in the next few days Brown's advisers will tell him that what the British people want is a real man who will stand up to the bullies. And if he doesn't there will be more anarchy and it will get worse. This is neither a threat nor a promise - just a prediction. If Brown wants to survive politically, he will have20to join us when we demonstrate on Saturday, January 3 - opposite the British Parliament. He needs to show us he is really man enough to lead this country. And on the subject of Saturday's demonstration - police permission is apparently being sought. I have some advice for the Metropolitan Police: "Do not try and stop the democratic right of every person in Britain to demonstrate." I am going to be there - with or without police permission. And if they want to arrest me and lock me up then so be it. Has it now become a crime to demonstrates against war crimes? Crimes against humanity are being carried out by Israel and I refuse to be silent.

by paul roberts (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 60 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:19:53 PM

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Right on.  This vanity is the source of our national stupidity, and it does not help that we've got both psychiatry and Israelis feeding us this criminally insane "American Supremacy" nonsense.

Kathleen M. Dickson

http://www.actionlyme.org

by Kathleen Dickson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:14:06 PM

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1)  You wrote, "...from time to time the Palestinian resistance organization, Hamas, fires off rockets into Israel..."  Could you please define for us exactly what "from time to time" means?

2)  How many rockets would have to be dropped into your backyard before you deemed them to be "effectual"?

3)  And finally I was wondering, when you say, ..."seldom claim Israeli casualties," just how many dead Jews do you find acceptable?

by Joe Reeser (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 62 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:09:09 PM

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The number of dead Jews that is acceptable is the same number of dead Muslims or dead Christians or dead atheists that is acceptable.

Duh.

Ever hear of Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Kathleen M. Dickson

http://www.actionlyme.org

by Kathleen Dickson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:24:30 PM

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1 Israeli woman killed 3 wounded in the recent attacks by bottle rockets.

Close to 400 killed and over a thousand wounded in the lates high tech massacre by the IDF.

Savvy?

by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:47:37 PM

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...ignore the first two questions.  I can't say that I'm surprised.  On the other hand you seem to to imply that as long as the numbers of dead and wounded on both sides were equivalent all would be well.  Is this not the essential basis of your statement?  Or have I miscontrued your response?

by Joe Reeser (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 62 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:40:45 AM

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How many dead Palestinians do you find acceptable?

by paul roberts (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 60 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:08:08 PM

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Arab World Losing Tolerance For Indifferent Leaders When people feel there is no justice in the world and no legitimate outlet for their justified frustration, things tend to boil over. And that's what happened at a huge anti-Israel, pro-Hamas demonstration in the Yemeni capital of Sana'a. By Roshan Muhammed Salih Sun, 28 Dec 2008 - "Press TV" -- -More than 30,000 people crammed into the main Yemeni soccer stadium on Sunday to express their solidarity with the suffering masses in Gaza. The day before Yemenis had been glued to their television screens watching the scenes of suffering that followed Israeli air strikes. Dead bodies in the streets, dismembered body parts strewn everywhere, the cries of the wounded and the grieving -- scenes Western viewers were only allowed to witness in part. The people of Sana'a displayed amazing solidarity and love for their Muslim brethren, dressed up in Hamas green and waving the Islamic movement's emblematic flags. Pictures of the assassinated former Hamas leaders Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz al Rantisi were everywhere. The crowd chanted anti-Israel slogans and supported the right of Gazans to resist the Israeli occupation. Up until then it was an impressive, lively, yet in its way, quite predictable demonstration. Then something strange happened. As the establishment figures started to make their speeches from the podium, the crowd grew restless. I could hear mumblings of discontent among those around me. One man said he was sick and tired of pointless words of condemnation from Arab leaders. He wanted to see action against Israel, action that would help the Gazans in a practical way, action that would hurt Israel and force it to think twice before shedding Palestinian blood again. These sentiments soon spread around the enormous stadium and before long the speakers' voices were being drowned out amid pro-Islam, pro-Hamas, pro-jihad slogans. Then men dressed up as Hamas resistance fighters, clad in bandanas, face masks and carrying fake rockets on their shoulders, jumped over the security fences and headed toward the pitch. At first the police brandished their weapons and prepared the water canon. But when the crowd began to hiss and throw projectiles at them, they backed off. Soon, thousands started to summersault the barriers and made for the pitch, in defiance of the authorities' prohibitions. Their slogans and chants soon turned toward the Arab leaders who they blamed, almost as much as Israel, for the plight of the people of Gaza. Top of the list was Egypt, which many feel gave Israel the green light to attack Hamas a few days ago. More anger was reserved for Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the secular Palestinian Fatah faction, who has made it clear that he would like to wrest control of Gaza from the elected Hamas government. Those Arab governments like Jordan and Mauritania, who are on friendly diplomatic terms with Israel, came in for yet more criticism. And last but not least, anger was directed toward the wealthy Arab governments, like Saudi Arabia and Persian Gulf littoral countries, which could potentially do so much to resolve the Palestinian issue, but do little or nothing. Just as things threatened to get very nasty, Sheikh Abdul Majid al Zandani, Yemen's most prominent Islamic scholar, calmed the crowd by urging them to retake their seats in the stand. Most people listened to him and respected his authority -- the only person among the establishment figures they seemed to instinctively obey. And eventually the crowd's anger abated -- for the moment at least. What happened in Yemen's soccer stadium on Sunday seemed to be a microcosm of what is going on in the Arab and wider Muslim world. Mirrored in pro-Palestinian demonstrations from Casablanca to Jakarta. The disconnect between a humiliated and suffering people and their elite, pro-Western rulers was easy for all to see. Ordinary people are tired of the Muslim world's disunity and feebleness in the face of American and Israeli dominance. They know that the Muslim world has become a laughing stock to many in the West -- a byword for poverty, backwardness and weakness. A region whose plentiful resources the West can exploit precisely because of that disunity and lack of strong leadership. Ordinary people have had enough of the humiliation, enough of the impunity that the West and Israel seem to enjoy. They want all that to stop, they want their pride and self-respect back. And they know that their pro-western leaders are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

by paul roberts (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 60 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:25:32 PM

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"Ordinary people have had enough of the humiliation, enough of the impunity that the West and Israel seem to enjoy. They want all that to stop, they want their pride and self-respect back. And they know that their pro-western leaders are part of the problem, not part of the solution."

It seems the whole world is being primed for revolution and reaction. I suspect the masters of the dialectic [Hegal] are well aware of what they are doing. It is happening here as well: the econo-crisis, the military build up in the "Homeland", the strategy of tension.

Bu, as they say, "The best laid plans of mice and men."

by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:50:24 PM

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Israeli actions divert attention away from the contention over oil resources in that region.

by Bucky the Commoner (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 62 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:08:17 PM

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http://www.actionlyme.org/PNAC.pdf

Israel wants refineries and pipelines from Iraq, et al to the Mediterranean.  In this way, "geopolitics" will continue to be managed by the West, with Israelis as the middlemen.  The Israeli Supreme Kourt building was built by the Rothschilds (UK, City of London). 

Of course, the people who actually own the oil have always been a problem and in the way of a Greater Israel "from the Nile to the Euphrates."

Provoking Iran so they can be the "victims" again, is the ultimate goal in this little, um, skirmish, and is part of the ongoing, 60 year, Palestinian Holocaust.

Kathleen M. Dickson
http://www.actionlyme.org

by Kathleen Dickson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:37:39 AM

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     Not to mess with your article, Paul, cuz much of it is good.   Thanks for mentioning Pinter, a real hero for truth.

      My only question is if  people really understand who is playing whom here.    For example, who funds Hamas?

by mary sunshine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 149 comments [79 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:09:01 AM

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