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Gaza and Tijuana; What if Rocket Bombs Were Launched from Mexico Into California

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This started as a comment on Kevin Gosztola's article.

As I monitored the report that Hamas had ended the truce with Israel and  of rocket bombs  being fired into Israel, I was saddened, knowing the Israelis would not tolerate this. Sure enough, the call for a response was huge, just as it would be in any nation.

Just imagine if this went on for a week, with over 80 rockets fired from mexico into southern California.

The question in congress would be whether we should nuke Tijuana or just use a hail of 5,000 pound bunker busters. Sure there would be people saying "but the rockets didn't kill anyone."   And others would say, "this is a conspiracy to blame the Mexicans. American black ops troops fired them from Mexico."

Most likely, Tijuana would be turned into a ghost town within days of such rocket attacks. Bush OR Obama would not wait nearly as long as the Israelis did to respond. And they would not tolerate an single rocket firing without exacting a massive toll.

To suggest that Hamas has the right to fire rockets into Israel as Freedom Fighters is really misguided.

To suggest that Israel is justified in killing all of those people is also wrong.

Yet, Hamas, as the ruling party, is responsible for what happens on its territory, including rocket firings. They did declare the end to the truce. The people suggesting that US or Israeli troops or agents fired the rockets are forgetting that Hamas declared an end to the truce. I would not be surprised to see the same commenters deny the holocaust. Do you?

I think J-Street's spokesperson has some good ideas

Statement by Jeremy Ben-Ami, Executive Director of J Street, on Israeli Airstrikes in Gaza

Meanwhile, it's interesting how the anti-semites come out of the woodwork when Israel does anything. As soon as you blame JEWS or "the Jewish People"  instead of Israeli politicians, you become an anti-semite, in my book. Might as well blame all Christians for attacking Iraq, with that kind of bigoted thinking.

 Israel's response is stupid, but probably the same that ANY nation would take--  ANY, if rocket bombs were fired into it from another nation. 

Haters who polarize the situation blaming JEWS instead of seeking solutions only make things worse. Justifying violence on either side only makes things worse. We need to learn from Ghandi and MLK.  How can peace loving-Israelis and friends of Israel come up with solutions that don't include violence, especially when they are faced with violence?

 

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"Just imagine if this went on for a week, wit... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:45:17 AM
I dont think there are any Israeli troops in the s... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:05:16 AM
  It all depends on who you think God is, and... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:09:58 PM
http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/chlamor/sti... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:42:55 PM
And?... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:57:26 PM
I will assume you saw the maps. And you ask "... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:08:33 PM
I will assume you saw the maps. And you ask "... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:08:39 PM
that is why I said "And'? And I still say... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:16:48 PM
And then, if you made no reference to what I was t... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:35:15 PM
positioned as a response to mine and this was a ch... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:17:31 PM
There probably were not many Nazis in the concentr... by pft on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:32:08 PM
any given German town. Auschwitz, which was respon... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:50:25 PM
So your saying Gaza is not under occupation becaus... by pft on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:09:00 PM
No other state I know of demands that anybody reco... by Aaron Aarons on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:51:03 AM
Aaron, thank you for this is a profound statement.... by Edip Yuksel on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:37:04 AM
... if we are going to point to states and sa... by Steven Leser on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:54:42 AM
Your “analogy” is totally false. ... by GLloyd Rowsey on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:40:29 PM
As for your comment about discriminating between I... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:49:11 AM
Dear Rob,  Because I think I know you well, I... by sameh abdelaziz on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:58:52 AM
... there are no two ways about it, a blockade is ... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:14:37 AM
It is simple Steven. Have you ever thought, a... by sameh abdelaziz on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:35:34 AM
"The part that always gets me about the Pales... by Harold Smith on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:15:43 AM
... if one of the Klitschko brothers were not nego... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:25:03 AM
When Europeans first settled America, they saw the... by Harold Smith on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:52:18 PM
violently challenging someone that is immeasurably... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:07:59 PM
"violently challenging someone that is immeas... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:51:11 PM
Would it have made sense to complain if he had los... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:54:59 PM
Mr. Leser,Your lesson of "result" rests ... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:15:38 PM
Not at all, and your comment about going crazy is ... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:04:21 PM
As one who generally supports Israel, I note that ... by WML on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:39:00 PM
Most Israelis know, although they may keep it repr... by Mac McKinney on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:51:30 AM
"Fortifications are monuments to stupidity.&q... by Jason Paz on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:54:40 PM
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fac... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:11:34 PM
Al-Qaeda.Everyone thought that arming the most ext... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:25:53 PM
Yes Mr. Leser,At last we can agree on something.... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:54:03 PM
Brilliantly worded Mac. Nothing but hatred which c... by Munich on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:22:04 PM
Thanks for the video, Munich. I never saw that one... by Mac McKinney on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:37:35 PM
I will have sympathy for one of the two sides when... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:28:51 PM
I have talked to some Palestinian exiles who say t... by Mac McKinney on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:33:47 PM
... although he admitted much suffering would have... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:51:16 PM
The path of least resistance for the Gandhian appr... by Mac McKinney on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:08:19 PM
This effort is an honor to Jews and all peace-lovi... by sameh abdelaziz on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:46:49 PM
there is NO media coverage of the countless nonvil... by Tony Duncan on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:58:10 PM
Good for you Mr. Leser.  I'm really&... by Munich on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:40:43 PM
That makes me happy as well.... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:46:31 PM
Meanwhile, it's interesting how the anti-semit... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:00:22 PM
What is the profit from this attack? A few missile... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:43:36 PM
"I doubt anyone is salivating over the profit... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:03:46 PM
Let's see:1. I do not believe the earth is fla... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:15:53 PM
By all means Mr. Leser, the floor is yours.... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:38:32 PM
... I believe that most of us participating here a... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:12:39 PM
Rob, You have my permission to offer Mr. Leser my ... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:55:39 PM
Of course the cost of the particular weapons used&... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:50:06 PM
It seems that way to me. Yet your position is lill... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:16:23 PM
Supporting the Israelis who are demonstrating agai... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:28:09 PM
Thanks... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:21:12 PM
The Israeli bombings is flagrantly violating all l... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:51:35 PM
Evidence of targeting civilians involves maps that... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:57:17 PM
From that radical fringe conspiracy group, the BBC... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:12:57 PM
as I already commented below, a scientific laborat... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:15:59 PM
Geneva Convention 1949 Article 33Collective punish... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:59:33 PM
happened. THanks... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:02:42 PM
They bombed the university.They bombed the po... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:20:22 PM
I dont think this is considered a war crime.... by Steven Leser on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:07:06 AM
Stephen,  I just want to say Thanks for bothe... by Aurora on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:48:25 AM
I've never seen any evidence to suggest any gl... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:34:56 PM
Her reporting of her translations, that is the bit... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:16:37 PM
That's the American way.  A way, by the w... by bucketslogg on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:04:44 PM
We wouldn't make nice.We'd finally seal ou... by Sandy Sand on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:39:05 PM
From DesertPeace:http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:03:48 PM
Lets see, the toll so far from the "rocket at... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:06:20 PM
Sandy, you will either be attacked or ignored.&nbs... by Kellis R. Solomon on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:23:04 PM
"There has never been a country called Palest... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:38:02 PM
He sounded like a purveyor of at least one major f... by richard on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:46:01 PM
William, show me.  Show me the COUNTRY. ... by Kellis R. Solomon on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:19:45 PM
Let me apologize first of all by my use of such a ... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:59:55 PM
No "Palestine"? Bwhahahaha.First off, Ro... by David Hastings on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:08:53 PM
What you are referring to is a region, not a count... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:29:37 PM
 Steven: I care less whether there was a... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:12:45 PM
... the argument in this subthread was about wheth... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:19:58 PM
by reading "A History of Modern Palestine&quo... by GLloyd Rowsey on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:43:03 AM
 First, all I said about antisemites was that... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:15:37 PM
you post articles like this to draw out people'... by Linda Milazzo on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:39:55 AM
The highest Yogis and mystics see all of Reality a... by Mac McKinney on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:29:42 PM
Meanwhile, it's interesting how the anti-semit... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:46:03 PM
We are agreed.We crossed posts in the aether. ... by Comfortable on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:14:12 PM
Comments so far have focused on the popular views.... by Comfortable on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:05:03 PM
Sometimes a struggle is just a struggle. It doesnt... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:16:37 PM
In my less than humble opinion, those in power hav... by David Salaam Goldstein on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:35:47 PM
Niccolo Machiavelli“For the great majority o... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:59:18 PM
Your assertion is simply a belief. There are certa... by richard on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:55:12 PM
Your assertion is simply a belief. There are certa... by richard on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:08:13 PM
Every volitional human action is taken by each ind... by Comfortable on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:33:01 AM
"Learn from MLK and Gandhi."Why the Pale... by Bob Kincaid on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:07:31 PM
  No, I think acting like Ghandi would n... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:49:08 PM
An a very informative interview... Listen to Hamas... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:50:40 PM
Palestinians adopted Ghandi-esque resistance. It e... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:18:01 PM
How's Wonderland doing?... by David Hastings on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:28:26 PM
... they all thought he was mad.Sad you dont see t... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:34:20 PM
Zionists are enemies of Jews and Arabs and America... by aberamsay on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:25:43 PM
Oddly enough, the creation of the zionist state co... by Cinderfella on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:50:03 PM
When I lived in Texas, my city was 57% Hispanic - ... by rini920 on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:14:43 PM
My frame of reference was 150 years ago. Demograph... by Cinderfella on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:14:06 PM
... Rob, honestly, did you hire this Ramshei perso... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:20:07 PM
Your pro "Z" attitude is revealing, Rob. (Accordin... by Eileen Dannemann on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:58:16 PM
So Eileen,  how about a meeting for lunch rig... by rini920 on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:40:31 PM
No, lets get together in Tiajuana...if you have be... by William Whitten on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:47:19 PM
... Americans are still going to Tijuana for enter... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:55:17 PM
In today's news, there is an article (and vide... by David Hastings on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:47:37 PM
You will note that there are many instances of thi... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:05:38 PM
...pro and con....and on and on.... - but wait.The... by kibitzer2 on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:14:37 PM
Israeli policy vis-a-vis the Palestinians reflects... by GLloyd Rowsey on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:15:20 PM
Gaza is blockaded and has been for a long time.Isr... by Kathlyn Stone on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:45:11 PM
I only said that accusing ALL jews of the Israeli ... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:32:17 PM
Thanks, Rob.There are many levels. As I pointed ou... by Comfortable on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:47:30 AM
But I think the analogy was not apt. I don't k... by Kathlyn Stone on Wednesday, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:11:40 PM
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world ... by Bill Samuel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:49:14 PM
I think using this patently false analogy indicate... by Jay Hubbell on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:39:17 PM
http://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/DER/NL4/7... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:07:04 PM
For your info Steve: Anna's Eyewitness Reports... by Mac McKinney on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:28:27 PM
A Gandhian approach is not a small village level e... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:43:46 PM
Thanks.... by GLloyd Rowsey on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:35:17 PM
Even if terrorists holed up in Tijuana were to sen... by Nathan Nahm on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:36:48 PM
As if war is ever really a measured response. I th... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:51:29 PM
... "population centers" were "indi... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:39:00 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7802515.stm... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:23:59 PM
... that is not 'targeting civilians'... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:10:50 PM
"Every news report that I have read.."Re... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:33:08 PM
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&n... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:12:57 PM
With outside reporters banned, what is the pe... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:46:57 PM
Reread what you just wrote.... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:50:48 PM
You said that from all the reports you had read, y... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:25:38 PM
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/115651/israeli... by Aurora on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:32:47 PM
 I'm certainly not saying that is what sh... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:53:06 PM
And if the moon were made of green cheese....(ther... by GLloyd Rowsey on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:59:35 AM
Israel's response is stupid? They have tried t... by Davaru on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:06:56 PM
That is what I suggest.Give them a state in the en... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:24:04 PM
But, this has not being done. They are subjugated ... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:51:02 PM
I agree with Steven, but consider that Gandhi prea... by Davaru on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:26:42 PM
Mr Steven Leser,You have been making a fool of you... by aberamsay on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:45:10 PM
I bet you didn't learn that at your university... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:08:02 PM
Rob,It was at my university where I came in contac... by aberamsay on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:26:02 PM
As for Hitler, he was nothing but a marionette of ... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:43:56 PM
when you are laughing so hard tears are clouding y... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:51:26 PM
Rob, Palestinians are as much semite as Jewis... by aberamsay on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:36:30 PM
He said Zionists, you said he said jews.  Why... by pft on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:33:44 PM
I am on record many times on OEN, here at the late... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:31:24 PM
... are you accusing me of being the Nazi-Zionist ... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:48:02 PM
one side (Rob Kall's side) is basically o... by Richard Mynick on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:44:02 PM
on several occasions, I have been asked by people&... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:40:41 PM
And to mention a name that has been totally(?... by GLloyd Rowsey on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 8:09:38 AM
 Stephen, your comment regarding the creation... by richard on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:56:16 PM
talked about. So, no, I am not naiive regarding wh... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:24:13 PM
The UN provided no true legitimacy. An nearly dest... by richard on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:05:03 AM
A better analogy would be this.How about a small s... by pft on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:56:58 PM
the elected radicals choose to shoot rockets to pr... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:24:30 PM
Loosely translated from the English version of&nbs... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:55:07 PM
Thank you  pft  for  pointing out t... by aberamsay on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:43:25 PM
Why do I doubt this is a rare event?And ... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:00:00 PM
Mr Steven Leser,Your response is a measure of your... by aberamsay on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:12:29 PM
Yes, you unmasked me! I am the legendary Jewish-Na... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:22:35 PM
Dear Ramsheyi, I think you are overreacting to Ste... by Edip Yuksel on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:30:19 AM
On March 3, 1991, in Los Angeles, California, seve... by Edip Yuksel on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:59:12 PM
As a jewish person I am saddened and ashamed of th... by robert braunstein on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:34:57 PM
Robert, well said... I am glad to hear Jewish peop... by Edip Yuksel on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:03:17 AM
The Hanukkah Massacre in GAZA. The Sacrificial Lam... by csnet on Sunday, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:55:36 PM
After reading all comments in this thread, I wishe... by reasonableperson on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:39:38 AM
But Rob gets it right here: pacifism is a solution... by John Bessa on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:24:14 PM
Yeah, Rob, nice analogy, but misleading.  Let... by Ruth Wangerin on Monday, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:43:03 PM
Dec 29, 2008, 11:30pm in PalestineThe death toll i... by karmacounselor on Tuesday, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:46:37 AM