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Are We Civilized Enough to Hold Our Leaders Accountable for War Crimes?

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By John W. Dean, FindLaw.com
Posted on January 24, 2009, Printed on January 26, 2009
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Remarkably, the confirmation of President Obama's Attorney General nominee, Eric Holder, is being held up by Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn, who apparently is unhappy that Holder might actually investigate and prosecute Bush Administration officials who engaged in torture. Aside from this repugnant new Republican embrace of torture (which might be a winning issue for the lunatic fringe of the party and a nice way to further marginalize the GOP), any effort to protect Bush officials from legal responsibility for war crimes, in the long run, will not work.

It is difficult to believe that Eric Holder would agree not to enforce the law, like his recent Republican predecessors. Indeed, if he were to do so, President Obama should withdraw his nomination. But as MSNBC "Countdown" anchor Keith Olbermann stated earlier this week, even if the Obama Administration for whatever reason does not investigate and prosecute these crimes, this still does not mean that the Bush Administration officials who were involved in torture are going to get a pass.


With few exceptions, the discussion about what the Obama Administration will do regarding the torture of detainees during the Bush years has been framed as a domestic matter, and the fate of those involved in torturing has been largely viewed as a question of whether the Department of Justice will take action. In fact, not only is the world watching what the Obama Administration does regarding Bush's torturers, but other countries are very likely to take action if the United States fails to do so.

Bush's Torturers Have Serious Jeopardy

Philippe Sands, a Queen's Counsel at Matrix Chambers and Professor of International law at University College London, has assembled a powerful indictment of the key Bush Administration people involved in torture in his book Torture Team: Rumsfeld's Memo and the Betrayal of American Values. He explains the legal exposure of people like former attorney general Alberto Gonzales, Dick Cheney's counsel and later chief of staff David Addington, former Office of Legal Counsel attorney John Yoo, the former Department of Defense general counsel Jim Haynes, and others for their involvement in the torture of detainees at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and CIA secret prisons.

After reading Sands's book and, more recently, listening to his comments on Terry Gross's NPR show "Fresh Air," on January 7, 2009 I realized how closely the rest of the world is following the actions of these former officials, and was reminded that these actions appear to constitute not merely violations of American law, but also, and very literally, crimes against humanity -- for which the world is ready to hold them responsible.

Here is what Professor Sands told Terry Gross on NPR: "In talking to prosecutors around the world, as I have done, they all recognize the very real political difficulties of taking on someone who has been Vice President of the United States, or President of the United States, or Secretary of Defense of the United States. But those arguments melt away as you go a little down the chain. And I don't think the same arguments would apply in relation to the man, for example, who was Vice President Cheney's general counsel, at the time the decisions were taken, David Addington ... I think he faces a very real risk of, you know, investigation for complicity in an act that amounts to torture ... " Later, referring to "international investigations," he added that Addington (and others) were at "serious risk of being investigated."

These are remarkable statements from a very well-informed man. Because we have a common publisher, I was able to contact him in London, and pose a few questions. I find his book, statements and responses to my questions chilling.

Q & A With Professor Philippe Sands

The following is my email exchange with Professor Sands:

John W. Dean: When talking to Ms. Gross you said you were not calling for such international investigations because we all need more facts. Given the fact that Judge Susan Crawford has now made clear that torture occurred, do you -- and others with your expertise and background -- have sufficient information to call for other countries to take action if the Obama Administration fails to act?

Philippe Sands: Last week's intervention by Susan Crawford, confirming that torture occurred at Guantanamo, is highly significant (as I explain in a piece I wrote with Dahlia Lithwick: "The Turning Point: How the Susan Crawford interview changes everything we know about torture"). The evidence as to torture, with all that implies for domestic and foreign criminal investigation, is compelling. Domestic and foreign investigators already have ample evidence to commence investigation, if so requested or on their own account, even if the whole picture is not yet available. That has implications for the potential exposure of different individuals, depending on the nature and extent of their involvement in acts that have elements of a criminal conspiracy to subvert the law.

JD: If yes, can you share what you and others might do, and when?

PS: I am in the process of completing the epilogue to my book Torture Team, which will be published in May 2009. That will set out, in detail, what I learned when I made a return visit to the European judge and prosecutor with whom I met in the summer of 2007, as described in the book. Watch this space.

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Don't Beat Around The Bush by ramsheyi on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:53:08 AM
The answer is "No," but it's not really a question of "We" by Richard Mynick on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:13:17 PM
Your assessment is most likely spot on ... by Mr M on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:13:29 PM
Wikipedia on Bill Clinton by Perry Logan on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:51:46 PM
Pile of Manure by ramsheyi on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:35:15 PM
As important as economy by Nathan Nahm on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:04:22 PM
Form a Committee; Investigate Later Nonsence! by Jason Paz on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:16:08 PM
Are We Civilized Enough? by eileen kuch on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:57:54 PM
This is an interesting piece. by GLloyd Rowsey on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:29:21 PM
Are We To Hang All Our Presidents? by Edwin Sumcad on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:36:43 PM
Drivel by John S. Hatch on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:00:26 PM
Clearing up by Cheryl Biren on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:57:57 PM
Nicely executed, your own self, by GLloyd Rowsey on Sunday, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:58:35 AM
are we going to hang out our brains to rot? by William Whitten on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:47:51 PM
Edwin, I have a suggestion for you. by Jack Harrington on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:53:55 AM
Jack, that's a hell of a bracer. by GLloyd Rowsey on Tuesday, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:09:57 PM
There Has To Be Accountability For Murder And Rip-Off by ramsheyi on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:07:19 PM
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The Gatekeepers of the Law by Steven G. Erickson on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:12:56 PM
America hates justice. by John Hanks on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:45:19 PM
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We the People....... by William Whitten on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:08:52 PM
Not From Obama by Bill Cain on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:06:47 PM
Accountability by William Whitten on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:00:39 PM
Phil Sands by William Whitten on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:16:02 PM
Equal Justice For All by LiveFree on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:49:21 AM
Whether Or Not Bush And Cheney Must Be Hanged For War Crimes by Edwin Sumcad on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:33:06 AM
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