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911 Conspiracy, Who We Are, Where We Are At, And What We Must Do

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I argued about the 911 Conspiracy Theory, with others, all through 9/11/10. It was like arguing with any true believer or fundamentalist. You go in circles with no change to their essential starting position or beliefs. I can only conclude that the folks who believe 911 was an inside job want to believe it. Nothing you tell them will change their minds. They are invested in it emotionally. I think it has much to do with the mistrust and anger that they have towards the US government in general and the Bush administration specifically. In many cases they are foreigners, sometimes Muslims, which is very understandable. But in the case of Americans, it's just a sad example of how much faith they have lost in their own government.

I have come across this kind of thing when I was active in the peace movement. Some folk's anger at Uncle Sam was palpable.

Now, we have a mix of Left, Right, and Center people all coming at the government from different angles, with spins of what is going on, why we can't trust it, who's responsible, and so on.


The sad truth is that, as the last superpower, we have climbed to the position we now hold in the world by sometimes Machiavellian means, which has created doubt and distrust both in the world at large and here at home. And this has opened the door, not only for the Bin Ladens to attack us, but for us to attack ourselves.

As those who hate us abroad plan new ways to attack and undermine the "Great Satan," we turn on each other and our government, ready to tear ourselves apart. And, if we are not careful, we could end up like the Roman Empire, only much faster.

To me, what happened on 911 was no surprise, and it was no surprise who did it. And though governments, in history, have deceptively conspired to manufacture incidents that would garner the support of their populations for some military adventure, this was not one of them.



The risk to those who would create such an adventure would be too great. The outcome too uncertain. Look how the invasion of Iraq backfired on the Bush administration.

No, 911, by its very nature, had to be planned and executed by someone who didn't care so much about the outcome, as they did about the chaos and confusion that would ensue, no matter what the outcome. And they certainly had to care not at all at what happened to themselves. Not to mention that they were probably as surprised as anyone else at the way the buildings totally collapsed. I suspect that they expected damage, fire, and death on the upper floors, but not the total collapse of both buildings.

They succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And I'm sure they attributed their success to the intervention of Allah.

We, as Americans, need to understand that we are walking on the edge of a very dangerous precipice. We need to wake up to the fact that there are very real enemies out there who want the worst for us. We also need to understand that there are others out there, who, for various reasons, would also like to see our downfall. And though they are not Muslim extremists, they are extreme in their hatred and anger towards us.


We must also wake up to the fact that to turn on each other and our government in a way that is not just an expression of our Democratic values and pluralism is not helpful. It is instead a real expression of hatred towards each other and a a real desire to tear down our government. This courts our own self destruction, as a people and a nation.

We must not let those among us who would manipulate us for their own selfish ends, be they from the Right, the Left, or anywhere else, turn us into a crumbling Tower of Babel.


And we must not let those from the outside world gain comfort and satisfaction from knowing that we are tearing ourselves apart from the inside.

It is time for clarity and sobriety. We must begin to see the importance of diplomacy, both here at home and abroad.

We must reach out to the world, in a way that we haven't for very long time. And we must reach out to each other, in a way that we are beginning to forget how to do.

WE must hold off on creating conspiracies about each other that blame each other for the most horrendous behavior possible. WE must hold off on final judgments that make anyone guilty, until guilt is proven, be they American Muslims or the Government itself.

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heavily invested in government's conspiracy theory by paul craig roberts on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:28:44 PM
Cute. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:14:13 PM
Who is being Cute here? by hommedespoir on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:35:16 PM
Argumentless mudslinging by Peter Duveen on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:03:05 PM
False accusations of mass murder by Perry Logan on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:57:23 AM
Address our actual arguments by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:53:28 AM
I was addressing Mr. Duveen's comment by Perry Logan on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:45:35 AM
ok, but the reaction of the Bush team ? by Jeff Poster on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:02:05 PM
Those debunking websites are easily debunked by Walter L. Bradley Jr. on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:27:40 PM
take that up with the folks at JREF by J. Edward Tremlett on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:37:15 PM
False accusations? by Peter Duveen on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:09:55 AM
Other false accusations by Perry Logan on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:55:50 AM
Some non-accusatory deconstructions by Jim Arnold on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:07:34 AM
J'accuse! by Perry Logan on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:27:30 AM
Rhetoric by Jim Arnold on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:28:03 PM
re: Rhetoric by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:07:06 PM
NIST by Richard Pietrasz on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:53:32 AM
re: NIST by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:01:56 PM
As long... by Richard Pietrasz on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:25:18 PM
Argumentless mudslinging by Peter Duveen on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:03:09 PM
Opinions. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:13:07 PM
Argumentless mudslinging by Peter Duveen on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:03:09 PM
"a third to a half" by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:10:57 PM
more than half the people litter, too... by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:16:58 AM
Sometimes I actually hate being personal by hommedespoir on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:18:57 PM
"ghost-written by J Bush for W Bush?" by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:43:29 PM
I will not be called a fundamentalist by Truth Excavator on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:05:49 PM
.. by Truth Excavator on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:16:28 PM
Not "Emotional", not "Islamic", and not believing it. by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:32:56 PM
"Now commonly heard evidence" by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:49:02 AM
No. by Jack Flanders on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:30:23 AM
Video. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:39:03 AM
And after the decision was taken, by Carol Cleveland on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:13:59 PM
Who wired the buildings with explosives? by Walter L. Bradley Jr. on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:14:51 PM
Emotional concerns. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:07:09 PM
Avoid the search for truth, just fear it by Joan Mootry on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:07:02 PM
The many engineers... by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:46:35 AM
Here, i say this: by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:21:35 PM
re: Here, i say this: by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:58:32 PM
well... by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:02:06 AM
re: well.... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:15:21 AM
The stealing passports M.O, by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:28:46 PM
re: The stealing passports M.O, by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:13:36 PM
Not at all... by zonie on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:18:18 AM
re: Not at all.... by Natalie Oberman on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:00:06 PM
Alleged hijackers still alive. by Old Uncle Dave on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:41:00 AM
re: Alleged hijackers still alive by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:22:03 PM
Still alive? by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:08:31 PM
Pretty much every country's security service does by Steven Leser on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:59:29 AM
Your question needs no answer by hommedespoir on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:45:30 PM
re: Your question needs no answer by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:09:59 PM
You forgot to mention the lawn by Jeff Poster on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:21:24 PM
re: You forgot to mention the lawn by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:09:38 PM
They have these things called cameras. by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:47:01 PM
re: They have these things called cameras by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:20:16 PM
Because, TO ME, by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:24:48 PM
re: Because, TO ME, by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:45:24 PM
I wonder... by Jim Bush on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:14:53 PM
... by Truth Excavator on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:28:00 PM
liberals by magoo on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:10:04 AM
"Liberals are pretty open minded." by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:51:57 AM
************** THE FACTS SIR, JUST THE FACTS!! *********** by Yes on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01:15 PM
Not to mention Operation Northwoods. by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:22:43 AM
The Bin Laden myth and introspection by Joan Mootry on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:28:07 PM
"Myth promulgated by government" by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:36:16 AM
What evidence do you think they would have? by Steven Leser on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:51:03 AM
Help me reconcile something about 9/11 please. by Jeff Poster on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:18:13 PM
It's Obvious it was Controlled Demolition by Bob Gormley on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:04:46 PM
The Emperor's New Clothes by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:36:49 PM
Absolutely vacuous by Bill Willers on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:25:16 PM
Discernment by Mike Preston on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:48:08 PM
"Disernment." by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:03:00 AM
Your Concerned About his Spelling? by Bob Gormley on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:30:40 PM
Also spelled T-R-E-A-S-O-N Hope we got that one right, Jim by hommedespoir on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:08:26 PM
I guess Oswald was the lone gunman who murdered JFK? by ronheri on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:26:25 PM
Jim Bush? by mrk * on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:59:15 PM
building 7 by magoo on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:19:26 PM
Not one... by Jim Bush on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:23:07 PM
I know I'm prone to snark and contempt.... by Jeff Poster on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:59:34 PM
And ...... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:18:57 PM
Hawaii ?? by hommedespoir on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:59:35 PM
Not the least bit charitable? by Jack Flanders on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33:42 PM
Reminds me of Cass Sunstein.... by Taylor on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:36:25 PM
I agree on Sunstein by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:10:49 PM
Let down... by Jim Bush on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:56:49 PM
... by Truth Excavator on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:26:35 PM
He can't handle the truth! by Jeff Poster on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:50:48 PM
Wrong way around... by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:27:54 AM
A Classic Case of Projection by Jack Flanders on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:10:15 PM
Jim...for someone your age,etc. you sound incredibly naive by patricia win on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:18:07 PM
AMEN. by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:31:12 AM
What is the lesson of this thread to you, Jim? by Mike Preston on Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:39:57 PM
In all due respect by Elizabeth Hanson on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:12:02 AM
I would estimate .... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:28:26 PM
Wish I hadn't read this by Jim Arnold on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:55:44 AM
But... by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:44:22 AM
In favor of good police work by Stefan Thiesen on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:35:42 AM
In favor of any police work of all by Carol Cleveland on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:15:39 AM
FBI by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:59:28 AM
Not so. by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:32:04 PM
Scenario problem by Perry Logan on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:23:36 PM
Gee.... by zonie on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:45:56 AM
Osama denied it by David Watts on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:42:09 PM
re: Osama denied it by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:58:45 AM
Stick and Hornets by Jim Bush on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:10:02 AM
cliffs and sheep by Carol Cleveland on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:56:17 AM
YOU are the not listening! by Jeff Poster on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:37:39 AM
Evidence. by Jim Bush on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:20:47 AM
Philosophy Rule 1* by Jeff Poster on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:20:39 PM
oops* by Jeff Poster on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:00:10 PM
Thermite by Jim Bush on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:14:08 PM
Just so you know, you are a joke by Mike Preston on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:34:08 PM
LOL! by Jim Bush on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:59:04 PM
and the punchline is... by J. Edward Tremlett on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:02:56 PM
Operative? by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:08:43 AM
This link ..... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:43:38 PM
Voice of Reason by Jim Bush on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:42:30 PM
Don't worry .... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:00:45 PM
Thank you for the opportunity to mention Alex Jones by Mike Preston on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:08:23 PM
Mythland by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:43:06 AM
"Insidious" by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:23:45 AM
Extremely Fringe View? by Bob Gormley on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:36:15 PM
I could ask you the same question by J. Edward Tremlett on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:35:38 PM
The proper way would be by Mark Sashine on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:38:51 PM
Look around... by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:38:52 AM
Normally I wouldn't do this, however... by mrk * on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:36:11 AM
LOL! by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:40:07 PM
Moot point by Jack Flanders on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:49:11 PM
re: moot point by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:21:17 PM
There might be 1.5 million engineers in country by Nick van Nes on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:57:05 PM
we are Devo by J. Edward Tremlett on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:01:22 PM
There's a reason ..... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:34:00 PM
Help me reconcile something about 9/11 please. by Jeff Poster on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:08:04 PM
We're only human by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:02:39 AM
Logic. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:19:42 AM
But what about YOU? by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:55:53 PM
Hell....just check out a Jan 2001 issue by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:48:19 AM
"Proper evidence" by Jim Arnold on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:05:18 AM
No problem .... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:50:28 AM
And another thing... by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:12:03 PM
re: And another thing... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:27:15 PM
And another thing... by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:23:28 PM
LOL! by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:35:07 AM
"LOL" by Jim Arnold on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:42:47 AM
Evidence. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:29:02 AM
That's Because Your Stupid (Really) by Bob Gormley on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:40:03 PM
To put it mildly by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:41:07 AM
Thought experiment.... by Dawn Owens on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:23:42 PM
EXACTLY. by Jeff Poster on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:50:15 PM
Nobody knew .... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:11:27 AM
HUH??? by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:06:37 PM
DO THE ORDERS STILL STAND? by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:27:05 PM
re: DO THE ORDERS STILL STAND? by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:39:24 PM
Flight 77 was the Penn. flight as you say... by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:20:44 AM
re: Flight 77 by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:36:48 AM
Balogney by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:57:03 AM
Whaaaat???? by Old Uncle Dave on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:01:31 PM
re: Whaaaat? by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:32:22 PM
the fact remains by Old Uncle Dave on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:28:03 PM
re: the fact remains by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:57:39 PM
meh by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:15:58 PM
re: meh by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:51:54 PM
Wow, that's scary by Jeff Poster on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:05:11 AM
Incredible by Jack Flanders on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:20:10 AM
meh by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:37:53 PM
Pentagon by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:15:32 AM
But the Pentagon has automated anti-aircraft missiles. by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:00:26 PM
BBQs aren't buildings by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:57:20 PM
Natalie... by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:35:47 PM
re: Natalie .... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:51:30 PM
It doesn't matter where the photo was posted... by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:39:47 AM
Joooooos? by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:24:55 PM
Photos? by zonie on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:49:05 AM
re: You didn't even dare to look by Natalie Oberman on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:58:13 PM
interesting foci by Jim Arnold on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 3:07:31 PM
re: interesting foci by Natalie Oberman on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:07:55 PM
BBQ? by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:33:27 AM
********** SHILLism ************* by Yes on Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:40:19 PM
Building 7 by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:11:07 AM
Actually ...... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:17:06 AM
Corrected. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:12:37 AM
Stupid brain (mine) by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:17:32 PM
Natural Causes? by Bob Gormley on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:24:39 PM
re: Natural Causes? by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:40:33 PM
Which is it? natural or the building was rigged? by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:23:28 AM
Natalie by Ms Nan on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:50:39 PM
Lightning As A Probable Natural Cause by aberamsay on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:36:53 PM
My breed? by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:49:21 PM
Now that's what I call "DOUBLETHINK" by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24:41 PM
Ummmmm.... by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:15:46 PM
Steel... by Dawn Owens on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:13:02 AM
Heat sink. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:28:35 AM
Yes, there was such a test by Peter Duveen on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:35:19 AM
Results. by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:09:08 AM
Results by Peter Duveen on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:59:32 PM
the fireball by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:24:06 PM
re: Steel by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:38:00 AM
The genus truth denier by Carol Cleveland on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:46:37 AM
Civil truthers? by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:04:12 AM
Actually, I have just been reviewing your comments, by Carol Cleveland on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:28:41 PM
you missed the real party by J. Edward Tremlett on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:48:06 PM
Dude... by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:16:56 PM
Bob Novak and Bill Safire first 9-11 truthers? by Peter Duveen on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:55:49 AM
Privately? by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:08:00 AM
70 Things to Explain... by mrk * on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:33:40 PM
Yet another..... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:14:34 PM
Actually, that reminds me... by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:09:56 PM
re: Actually, that reminds me ..... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:02:06 AM
WTF?????!!! by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:13:52 AM
re: WTF????!!! by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:36:46 PM
and if.... by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:04:25 PM
re: and if .... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:07:51 AM
re: and if.... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:49:38 PM
I think it's time by katherine magdangal on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:23:55 PM
Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth is suing by Carol Cleveland on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:34:03 PM
WMD by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:44:38 PM
Was planting wmd necessary? by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:17:13 PM
An analogy by Jim Arnold on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:10:26 PM
My goodness.... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:47:05 PM
Bush wouldn't testify under oath. by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:00:41 PM
Not really by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:57:41 PM
Seriously? by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:16:29 AM
re: Seriously? by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:41:53 AM
BAN THIS LADY FOR BULLSHIT AND FRAUD by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:38:00 AM
re: BAN THIS LADY by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:50:37 PM
Oh please... by Jack Flanders on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:05:25 PM
Natalie... by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:46:05 PM
re: Natalie..... by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:27:00 PM
Natalie.... by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:07:31 AM
Like all truthers .... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:05:09 AM
No slam dunk by Perry Logan on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:52:00 AM
Are you sure about that? by zonie on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:46:31 AM
Planning a hoax by Perry Logan on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:38:24 AM
Troll Coming Out Of Shadows by aberamsay on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:30:43 AM
Are You and Jim Bush in the Same Asylum? by mrk * on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:07:58 PM
Relax Mr. Hothead by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:05:45 PM
If it was so exhaustive in its investigation by zonie on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:41:15 AM
re: If it was so exhaustive ...... by Natalie Oberman on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:22:34 PM
Actually by zonie on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:05:11 PM
re: Actually by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:08:13 PM
Try the first one. by zonie on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:42:46 AM
hahaha by zonie on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:08:54 PM
10 most ridiculous things... by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:53:31 PM
LOL indeed by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:35:14 PM
Gee Jim by Bob Gormley on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:48:04 PM
Ad Hominem: The Last Act of the Desparate Debater by Jack Flanders on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:34:00 AM
LOL! by Jim Bush on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:55:59 PM
And they really like to have the last word, too. by Carol Cleveland on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:40:04 PM
Are You Naïve, Or Dumb, Or A Troll ? Or All? by aberamsay on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:45:41 PM
oh please by J. Edward Tremlett on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:18:02 PM
so - by Jim Arnold on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:45:18 PM
he was a man by J. Edward Tremlett on Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:37:44 PM
Abe accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being a shill by Steven Leser on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:03:26 AM
Abe accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being a shill by Steven Leser on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:03:32 AM
An observation by Jim Arnold on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:40:34 AM
Where the investigation will lead by Peter Duveen on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:32:10 AM
Let's start with by Nick van Nes on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:15:48 AM
Good points, however... by Jack Flanders on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:57:44 AM
re: Let's start with by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:57:30 PM
Why Shunning Thermite ? by aberamsay on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:55:09 AM
Thermite by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:08:24 AM
Plane debris inside the Pentagon. by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:12:36 AM
Nice Photoshop job, Jim by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:10:27 PM
Photoshop. by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:28:54 PM
More... by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:01:19 PM
Also... by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:50:56 AM
Tweet: 911 Conspiracy... by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:44:58 PM
On 911 the WTC controlled demolition WAS A INSIDE JOB by Enrico Napoli on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 3:58:52 AM
Civil Engineer by Jim Bush on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:40:25 PM
indeed by J. Edward Tremlett on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:16:04 PM
Konform by Ron Brassfield on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:05:04 AM
Ostriches? by Jim Bush on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:34:38 PM
re: Konform by Natalie Oberman on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:29:12 PM
My Lying Eyes by Terradea Smith on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:33:48 AM
Belief.... by Jim Bush on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:03:26 PM
Doctored Photos, Contradictions And Treachery by aberamsay on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:28:41 AM
Hole by Jim Bush on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:11:50 PM
the dead horse lives! by J. Edward Tremlett on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:56:10 PM
Good To Know You Are A Troll-Enabler by aberamsay on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 3:59:00 PM
The Hole Is The Entrance Not The Exit by aberamsay on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:31:24 PM
The hole,etc. by Jim Bush on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:59:32 PM
Enough Of Wild Goose Chase by aberamsay on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:56:46 AM
re: Enough of Wild Goose Chase by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:40:31 PM
the goose is cooked by J. Edward Tremlett on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:42:14 PM
911 Hijackers still alive? by Jim Bush on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:55:55 AM
Common Ground? by Natalie Oberman on Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:40:09 PM
'Unknown But Reliable' by aberamsay on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:37:46 AM
re: 'Unknown But Reliable' by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:33:58 PM
A Basis for Truth by Phillip Michaels on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:37:44 AM
re: A Basis for Truth by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:02:19 PM
Obvious Problems by Phillip Michaels on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:43:30 PM
re: Obvious Problems by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:24:20 PM
Confessions by Phillip Michaels on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:36:16 PM
Blocks? by Jim Bush on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:04:23 PM
No... by Ron Brassfield on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:22:24 PM
Not one... by Jim Bush on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:07:53 AM
"... we would have seen the rate of speed accelerate..." by Steven Leser on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31:09 PM
Dude, laws of physics apply everywhere. by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:10:54 PM
If you are responding to me, did you try the experiment? by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:11:02 PM
re: Confessions by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:01:11 PM
Now that's really too much by Jim Arnold on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:43:42 AM
re: Now that's really too much by Natalie Oberman on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:44:30 AM
Thanks by Phillip Michaels on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:36:19 AM
re: Thanks by Natalie Oberman on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:55:36 PM
Exactly right by Nick van Nes on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:31:18 AM
Strange by sommers on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:51:19 AM
re: Strange by Natalie Oberman on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:56:10 AM
Plants? by Jim Bush on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:57:35 PM
What about the put options???? by Jeff Poster on Sunday, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:05:45 PM
jim bush Is Just A DISINFORMATION Agent by Enrico Napoli on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:51:28 AM
re: jim bush is Just a DISINFORMATION Agent by Natalie Oberman on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:09:33 AM
Controlled Demolition of the WTC's 1, 2 &7 by Ms Nan on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:54:01 AM
re: Controlled Demolition of the WTC's..... by Natalie Oberman on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:36:43 PM
The fires and damage to WTC7 by Ms Nan on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:28:52 PM
Let Us Talk Science by aberamsay on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:12:01 AM
mathematician, reveal thyself by J. Edward Tremlett on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:45:26 PM
Pile Of Manure by aberamsay on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:20:44 PM
and you just stepped in it by J. Edward Tremlett on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:21:25 PM
I'm Not Technically Qualified, Either, But Jim Hoffman Is by Ron Brassfield on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:58:58 PM
qualified? by J. Edward Tremlett on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48:06 PM
Relax, "J. Edgar..." by Ron Brassfield on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:03:40 PM
cute by J. Edward Tremlett on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:23:09 PM
Incongruent and tautological. by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:49:18 PM
self-evident by J. Edward Tremlett on Monday, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:28:41 PM
when you've caught your breath by Jim Arnold on Tuesday, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:26:05 AM
re: I'm not Technically Qualified ....... by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57:14 AM
You're Strident and Absurd and... by Ron Brassfield on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:00:58 PM
re: You're Strident and Absurd and... by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:54:55 PM
Wow, Natalie. by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:01:04 PM
re: Wow, Natalie. by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:50:42 PM
The First Law Of Thermodynamics Is Violated by aberamsay on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:31:09 AM
That page does not at all resemble Thermodynamic equations by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:03:58 PM
re: Let Us Talk Science by Natalie Oberman on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:52:46 PM
"presumably the building would eventually collapse." by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:42:58 AM
re: "presumably the building would eventually collapse." by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:51:23 AM
Natalie, by sommers on Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:17:51 AM
Imagine by Jim Arnold on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:48:43 AM
re: Imagine by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:00:22 PM
I'm sorry Natalie and Jim by Adam Smith on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:07:12 AM
Here's the final problem. by Jim Bush on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:32:13 AM
The sweep of your generalizations is magnificent by Carol Cleveland on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:46:16 AM
With all due respect by Nick van Nes on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:59:10 PM
You've abdicated your responsibility to use your brain. by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:22:18 AM
re: I'm sorry Natalie and Jim by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:31:22 PM
re: I'm sorry Natalie and Jim by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:17:21 PM
YOU LEFT OUT A MAJOR ASPECT OF THIS. by Jeff Poster on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59:11 PM
Unfortunately... by Adam Smith on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:58:33 PM
Collapse confirmation -- hidden in "plane" site by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:54:39 PM
Rebutal by Adam Smith on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:00:41 PM
re: Rebuttal by Natalie Oberman on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:31:35 PM
Then Why Couldn't NIST Reproduce It?... by Ron Brassfield on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:37:18 PM
re: Then Why Couldn't NIST Reproduce It? .... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:26:37 AM
Natalie, you make a good point by Nick van Nes on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:30:25 PM
re: Natalie, you make a good point by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:53:02 PM
OK Natalie, by Nick van Nes on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:04:00 AM
re: OK Natalie, by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:03:12 PM
Your patronizing tone is vomit-inducing. by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:02:38 AM
re: Your patronizing tone ... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:49:21 AM
The "DNA" ID Thing by Ron Brassfield on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:32:58 AM
re: The "DNA" ID Thing by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:52:53 AM
Occam's Razor Natalie by Adam Smith on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:24:42 PM
re: Occam's Razor Natalie by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:48:29 PM
Occam's razor by Richard Pietrasz on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:49:26 PM
re: Occam's razor by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:14:10 PM
No, just logic. by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:37:20 AM
re: No, just logic. by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:11:41 PM
Not exactly sure... by Adam Smith on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:51:02 PM
re: Not exactly sure... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:37:31 PM
That's the thing by Adam Smith on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:54:46 PM
re: That's the thing by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:41:32 AM
It's a shame that we can't slap Natalie. by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:48:12 AM
re: It's a shame that we can't slap Natalie. by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:00:52 PM
A long time coming.... by zonie on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:48:49 PM
re: A long time coming.... by Natalie Oberman on Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:49:20 PM
Pentagon Research by Christine Lesniak on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16:01 AM
re: Pentagon Research by Natalie Oberman on Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:01:41 PM
But one witness... by Jeff Poster on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:00:25 AM
re: But one witness.... by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:07:11 PM
Jim Bush - 9/11 Conspiracy - Ignore or give thought? by Cliff Carson on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:07:06 PM
re: Jim Bush - 9/11 Conspiracy - Ignore or give thought? by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:37:38 PM
Knowing the difference. by Jim Bush on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:02:35 PM
re: Knowing the difference by Natalie Oberman on Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:50:50 PM
We are asking questions by Nick van Nes on Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:52:45 PM
re: We are asking questions by Natalie Oberman on Monday, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:19:17 PM