Rob: I agree with you. I think most of my readers and listeners agree with you. But the thing that people are nervous about or adamant about is that they have to vote for the lesser of two evils and they can't afford to / vote for a third party candidate.
Jill: And what we're saying is, "Look where that strategy has taken us," because voting for the lesser evil has delivered all of the evil we were afraid of: the expanding war, the meltdown on Wall Street, the burning up of the climate, the attack on our civil liberties. Everything that we were told to be quiet for and to settle for has come to pass because progress depends on our voices. If you absent our voices from the fight, all you have is corporate spin. So look at the record, the record is clear. The politics of fear will get you more of everything you're afraid of. We can win the day even if we don't win the office.
We have to be heard and we've got to be heard in the voting booth as well as outside of the voting booth. There's just no question about it. If you go into the voting booth and you give them a vote for either Wall Street sponsored candidate, you're giving them a mandate for four more years. That policy is an abysmal failure. And look at the record on Nader. The exit polls showed he got equal votes from Democrats and Republicans but the majority of his votes actually came from people who would not have come out. They were independent voters who voted for Ross Perot. They far, by a ten to one margin. They outstripped the votes that he took away from Democrats and Republicans. So, in my view, the real risk here is in allowing us to continue this surge towards the police state and empire, which will continue. Barack Obama has a clear track record on the expanding war, the attack on our civil liberties and the expanding Free Trade Agreements.
We know what we're voting for. If you think this has helped us or helped you or helped the one out of every three who are in foreclosure right now, sure, vote for more of the same. But if you don't want more of the same, you've got to stand up and push forward the real solution. Whether we win the office or not, we can win the day by showing that we are a real movement for democracy and justice. It's alive and well out there in the Occupy Movement, the anti-foreclosures and the protests at student campuses. And in public opinion where one out of every two people is calling for a third party; there is a strong voice out there. What you're hearing from them is a propaganda campaign that's intended to make you use your vote as a weapon against yourself. We have ten years experience now about where that gets us. It's really important to reject the propaganda, look at your experience and start standing up. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We need to replace the politics of fear with the politics of courage. We have the solutions that people support and that the public is clamoring for right now. / We need to, at the very least, drive them forward.
Rob: / Wow, you certainly are more passionate about that than about anything else that you've responded to so far. And I think for good reason. Now, I've got a tough one for you.
Jill: What was that? I missed the last thing you said.
Rob: I have a tough question for you.
Rob: The other candidate, who is in real competition with you, is Rocky Anderson in the Justice Party. Why should somebody vote for you over Rocky Anderson?
Jill: Let me ask you. How many states is Rocky on the ballot in?
Rob: I don't know. How many?
Jill: Not many. Not many. What I've heard is that you can count them on one hand and to my mind that gets down to the issue here and I've been inviting Rocky to participate within the Green Party because it is a party. You cannot, there's no way on God's earth you can both run a presidential campaign and create a political Party. You have no idea what it means to create a political party. It takes many years of building confidence, establishing the culture, learning how to do the things you have to do to be a political party. It is not easy to be a political party.
Rocky has just emerged from the democratic machine. That is very different from what it means to be an independent political party. It takes years worth of work to build it and to have the infrastructure to be able to run a campaign; to even be able to get on the ballot, to be able to raise the funds that you need. You just don't do it while you're also running for election. It doesn't happen that way and that's why I think you need to vote for a real party, not for one person who is fighting a valiant but ill-informed fight here and who's not going to be on the ballot in many places; not many.
Rob: / Okay so, next question.
Jill: / So, he doesn't have a national campaign.
Rob: / Next question.