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Glenn Greenwald: So, you know, I think that the protesters themselves have been very committed to peaceful assembly and to non-violence, but you know it is just a fact in political life that when you challenge or try (garbled)

Rob Kall: I'm losing your voice again.  Now, it just turned back better.  Yeah.  Something may be a problem.

Glenn Greenwald: Yeah.  So, I think - I think what you're going to see is increasing use of violence on the part of Police forces, on the part of even federal authorities, if the protest movement grows enough, and it is going to be designed to intimidate and deter people from participating.

Rob Kall: The federal forces are going to get violent?

Glenn Greenwald: Well, I think if the protest movement continues to grow and sustain then yeah, I think you are definitely going to see more state violence in response.

Rob Kall: As an attorney, what's your suggestion for the movement to do?

Glenn Greenwald: Well, with my - well, with my suggest - I'm sorry.  I do not understand the question.

Rob Kall: Well, you are a Constitutional attorney and if the State becomes more, more violent, what do the people do?

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Glenn Greenwald: Well, I think, I think they've been doing exactly the right thing ,which is continuing to insist on the right of the assembly being very aggressive and persistent in their demands , but at the same time maintaining the posture of non-violence.  I think that's the best success to the Movement and at the same time they can take legal action to ask Federal Courts to protect their right to assemble as they've done in Cleveland and in other areas, but I think the movement is doing exactly the right thing.  I think, they should continue to grow and demand its right to assemble and its way to free speech but in the right to petition the government but not engage in the kinds of actions that will justify police abuse.

Rob Kall: Now, who are bad guys?  This is all about treating the elites totally differently,  better than the 99 Percent.  Who are the bad guys who are perpetuating this and making it worse?

Glenn Greenwald: Well, I mean, certainly the people in political power are abdicating their responsibility to limit one another through the force of law and to limit those who are most in power and if the people here who are - have financial power who decided that they can completely disregard the constraints of law without any consequence, so of course Wall Street tycoons in investment banks that engage in systematic fraud that precipitated the 2008 Financial crisis are " 

Rob Kall: Wait, wait.  There are the bad guys who should be prosecuted.  I met the bad guys who were not prosecuted.  Who are the people who are - you know " 

Glenn Greenwald: Well, the responsibility to prosecute lies with the Executive branch in Article II of the Constitution.  It said, "The President shall take care that the laws are faithfully executed,"and it's the  Department of Justice is responsible for prosecuting people who violate the Criminal Law, the Federal Criminal Law.  They're the ones who add the jurisdictions to prosecute Bush torturers and eavesdroppers and to prosecute Wall Street criminals as well and they've abdicated that responsibility. 

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Rob Kall: So, I'm looking for names.  Are you talking about Obama?  His aides? Is it Eric Holder?

Glenn Greenwald: Yeah, of course.  And Obama is the President and Eric Holder is the Attorney General and they run the Justice Department and they're the ones with responsibility.

Rob Kall: So, would you have a conversation with them?  Have you talked to them?

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