I hate to tell you

but hang out in any political crowd and you'll find:

ambition, cronyism, and deceit.

by Laudyms (0 articles, 856 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 440 comments) on Friday, May 30, 2008 at 1:51:05 AM
 

conservativism has taken it to new highs -

or lows depending on how you look at it. 

 They've also been good at relativising corruption, that is  to say, "everyone does it, we're all greedy, everyone is just in it for themselves, it's a dog eat dog world,  so why try..  why hope,,  why fight it". sounds like you've bought into their relativising of their failed conservative values.   or am I misunderstanding your point?

by Edwin Rutsch (64 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 155 comments) on Friday, May 30, 2008 at 2:27:00 AM
 

on the contrary

I fear most career Democrats long ago gave up community mindedness for gamesmanship.  And I don't like it one bit!

There was a bizarre moment yesterday on CNN with Anderson Cooper and Gergen discussing McClellan's charges with an ethicist! (wish I'd caught his name) Their world views weren't in the same universe!

I imagine there are a few politicians, even some GOPers, who are not all-game-all-the-time.  Mighty few. The lesser of two evils has brought us very near the end of any meaningful democracy.

by Laudyms (0 articles, 856 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 440 comments) on Friday, May 30, 2008 at 8:45:51 PM
 

see the new Jim Dean post

in the second post he talks about the progressive values  of responsibility and participation..  perhaps participation of the citizens is a solution?

by Edwin Rutsch (64 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 155 comments) on Friday, May 30, 2008 at 11:12:54 PM
 

see the new Jim Dean post

in the second post he talks about the progressive values  of responsibility and participation..  perhaps participation of the citizens is a solution?

by Edwin Rutsch (64 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 155 comments) on Friday, May 30, 2008 at 11:12:55 PM
 

Citizenship

(participation) is indeed the solution. But having just spent the last 10 years or so encouraging it (with minimal results) in post-colonial Hawaii, I'm mostly burned out. I'm old enough to have been through this before so I know I just need a rest, but  there must be some way to get people going besides looming disasters. 

Many here insist participation is only for those who want to vent or show off. In other words, powerlessness is inevitable.  It's not, of course, but it's a potent self-fulfilling prophecy.

by Laudyms (0 articles, 856 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 440 comments) on Sunday, June 1, 2008 at 3:44:33 PM