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July 18, 2008 at 21:27:03

2 Million Cats and Dogs Skinned Alive in China.

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Yesterday I received a message on the internet that 2 million cats and dogs were skinned alive in China for their fur to cover figurines and trinkets.  I was angry, I was crestfallen, I was incredibly horrified.  And to think that the Olympic committee chose China as a venue for the Olympic games.   Why give a nation known for its cruelty to animals a chance to shine as an Olympic showcase? I would tell the committee that they either don't care about animals or they just didn't do their homework well.

Even Amnesty International wanted us to know that some of its own people were unfairly treated because the government at will took away property and livelihood for the building of the Olympic venues.  Amnesty told the story of one poor Chinese man who is languishing in prison because he dared protest the confiscation of his property which I imagine was taken without compensation. 

Walking my dog Casey this morning as I said my rosary, it was hard for me to meditate on the mysteries of my 10-decade walk.  I find that if I go around the rosary twice, that my walk is sufficient for the day.  But today I was thinking more of those poor dogs and cats who were skinned alive because the Chinese think that the fur is better when taken from live dogs and cats squirming in agony and who are then left to die slowly in shock and pain.  Monstrous!  What kind of people are they?  What can we do?

Sadly it seems to me that all we do is write about these horrible cruelties and nothing changes.  It continues.  I remember thinking a few years ago when the Darfur genocide started - surely the UN will stop it.  Hardly.  Here were people who were killed and driven out of their homes and no one came to their rescue. 

So here are millions of helpless cats and dogs and no one will come to their rescue but we will travel there to watch the Olympic Games.  It amazes me that we -a country of cat and dog lovers seem helpless to do anything to stop this horror.  Of course, if we do have the will, then what can we do?  Some of you may do what I and others will do - we will boycott the Olympics.  I will not watch them on TV.  I hope that a lot of advertizing dollars will be lost as a result.  Sadly, I doubt that many will take this action.  I find we commiserate for a whole minute and then -it's over and back to busines as usual. 

I hope Chinese Americans will write the Chinese authorites here and in China and tell them that treating cats and dogs in this cruel fashion is causing Americans and people of other nations to look disfavorably on China.  They could also mention that the old women in southern China should be educated to the cruelty of boiling cats alive for bogus health
benefits.  I just can't get over their having no feeling for the horrible suffering of the cats. Some people keep on reminding me of respecting other nations' practices.  If they are cruel, than a compassionate people should work to educate and reverse them.  

During the years I have read of many cruel happenings to the animals in China.  A few years ago when there was an outbreak of rabies in one province, soldiers were told to take all the dogs off the streets, in the yards, and in the homes to be euthanized.  People who loved their dogs had them removed forcibly from their arms.  Can you imagine something like this happening here?  

In some parts of China - the people attend horse fights.  How terrible to watch these beautiful animals engage in a bloody fight which I believe is often a family affair.  Of course we have cruel dog and cock fighting, but thankfully it has become illegal in many states now.  

I am saddened that we did away with tariff taxes and introduced free trade to the world.  Now we are reaping the effects of accepting products from all countries like China whose practices often are lacking in the humane treatment of animals.  Again, I ask what can we do?  Please don't discount prayer - prayer that will wake up our legislators to effectively tell the Chinese that we don't want any of their fur- trimmed trinkets gotten at such a horrible price.  Congress has banned them already, so why is this cruelty continuing?  Are other countries buying them too? Can Congress do more to retaliate against a country who is treating its animals so cruelly for profit?  I know it is easier said than done.  How sad that we can do so little to help these suffering animals because of protocul and concern of stepping
on nation's toes.  

 

I have been concerned about animal suffering ever since I received my first puppy Peaches in 1975. She made me take a good look at the animal kingdom and I was shocked to see how badly we treat so many animals. At 77, I've been a vegan for the past 30 years and I thank God every day that I am. I am most disturbed at how little the Catholic Church and Christian churches generally give to concern re animal suffering in their ministry. I wrote to 350 bishops in 2001 and only 10-13 responded. I feel that the very least they can do is to instruct that the priests give one sermon a year on compassion to animals. I am still waiting for that sermon. I also belong to Catholic Concern for Animals - founded in England in 1929. (They are on the internet) I recently sent a sample copy of their bi-monthly publication called the ARK to the 8 Catholic bishops of Ohio. Only ONE kindly responded. Somehow we have to reach the Christian teaching magisterium. There is next to nothing re animal concerns and compassion for them. They basically believe that animals are the lesser of God's creation and that gives us the right to do anything we want to them. Way wrong. We need to change their mindsets. The animals are God's first and He expects us to treat them compassionately.

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John is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.
John HaighJohn is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.

Check the source.

Do you really believe that two million puppys and kittens are skinned alive in China?

Think it through. If the Chinese wanted puppy and kitten fur for trinkets, why wouldn't they kill them first so that they would be easier to skin?

I remember in my undergraduate days being appalled when I was told that KFC cut up stray cats and served them as chicken pieces in their stores. I am embarrassed that I was so gullible. More accurately, I was so predisposed to believe ridiculous rumours about "dirty capitalists."

I feel that you are a warm-hearted person. But JC himself said "By their fruit ye shall know them." I think you are guilty of spreading malicious, unsubstantiated rumours about the Chinese.

Clean up your act.

Use your brain.

by John Haigh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 106 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 11:32:37 AM
 


writer, animal advocate
Netanya Nathanwriter, animal advocate

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Obviously, you are seriously Still gullible. The facts of China's preening for olympics, including the vicious murder of hundreds of dogs and cats, the open markets where pitiful dogs watch their fellow victims being bludgeoned, skinned, electrocuted, blow-torched, the "factory Farms for producing dog meat", and the unforgivable grins of the people torturing and ignoring the pleas for mercy in the dog's eyes --- Documented, factual evidence for you if you do a little research on your own. Until then, you are indeed gulliable and no help to the innocent dogs and cats who suffer in agony and despair at the hands of unfeeling people in China.

by Netanya Nathan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 8:36:08 AM
 


I have been concerned about animal suffering ever since
I received my first puppy Peaches in 1975. She made me take a good look at the animal kingdom and I was shocked to see how badly we treat so many animals. At 77, I've been a vegan for the past 30 years and I thank God every day that I am. I am most disturbed at how little the Catholic Church and Christian churches generally give to concern re animal suffering in their ministry. I wrote to 350 bishops in 2001 and only 10-13 respond...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Suzana MeglesI have been concerned about animal suffering ever since
I received my first puppy Peaches in 1975. She made me take a good look at the animal kingdom and I was shocked to see how badly we treat so many animals. At 77, I've been a vegan for the past 30 years and I thank God every day that I am. I am most disturbed at how little the Catholic Church and Christian churches generally give to concern re animal suffering in their ministry. I wrote to 350 bishops in 2001 and only 10-13 respond...

to see more of bio, click on member name

2 million cats.....

God, how I wish I were wrong and you were right.  To your question - Why don't they kill the cats and dogs first before skinning them --I told you why in the article. (I also think you can find this information on the internet.)  And to why you think this is not really happening -- then why did Congress write a law BANNING animal fur trinkets and collars made from China?   We  only allow faux fur on them but sadly animal fur trinkets and collars sometimes get in. 

Re KFC - while they never cut up dogs or cats and you were foolishly gullible in believing that without first trying to find the facts - I do try very hard to find the facts.  I would never want to lead anyone astray with my remarks. But re KFC's slaughering of chickens though, it is considered cruel by the compassionate people who have bravely videotaped some of the slaughterhouses.  You should visit one of them before dismissing everything from "brainless" people like me. 

For a certainty- by their fruits ye shall know them and sadly you shed more heat than light in your message and I'm sorry - not much truth.  I also wrote on this forum "Should we boycott the Chinese Olympics?"  Why don't you read that because there I also relay some of the horrors which some of the cats and dogs go through.  I got this information from the internet and from the people who reported it first hand.  Are we all nit wits?

You know what -I wish we were.  If this cruelty were not actually happening to animals in China, I would forever be grateful to you for correcting me of my misinformation. 

by Suzana Megles (35 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 119 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 12:17:19 PM
 


John is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.
John HaighJohn is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.

The source of your info?

Let me repeat that I'm sure you are a well intentioned and warm hearted person.

But who or what is your source for the "2 million cats and dogs skinned alive in China" headline.

I don't for a moment believe that a skin from a live animal is better than one from an animal killed minutes before. It's not logical. I think it is just a lying assertion to give credibility to the main lie.

There is animal cruelty in China. But my guess is that is no more or less than in America, Britain, Korea or Australia.

Did you call for an Atlanta Olympics boycot because of KFC's insensitive chicken slaughter practises?

Did you call for a Sydney Olympics boycott because of Australia's cruel kangaroo cull and sheep crutching practises?

I don' know anything about animal cruelty in Greece except that while I was there I heard a pig being slaughtered with a shovel. It took minutes.

This horror at the Chinese animal cruelty story is a form of xenophobic racism.

Where on Earth does the number 2 million come from? How was that calculated? Is it 2 million per day, month, year, to date?

I am very confident that you have been duped about this and you should take more care checking sources before you publish an inflammatory lie.

Do you remember the internet petition about Bonsai cats? I think the story you have headlined here is just as credible.

by John Haigh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 106 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 1:37:36 PM
 


John is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.
John HaighJohn is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.

Oops I forgot

Sorry,I should have mentioned that I applaud your concern about cruelty to animals.

Not only concern, but willingness to devote your efforts to reducing it.

by John Haigh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 106 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 1:47:31 PM
 


I have been concerned about animal suffering ever since
I received my first puppy Peaches in 1975. She made me take a good look at the animal kingdom and I was shocked to see how badly we treat so many animals. At 77, I've been a vegan for the past 30 years and I thank God every day that I am. I am most disturbed at how little the Catholic Church and Christian churches generally give to concern re animal suffering in their ministry. I wrote to 350 bishops in 2001 and only 10-13 respond...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Suzana MeglesI have been concerned about animal suffering ever since
I received my first puppy Peaches in 1975. She made me take a good look at the animal kingdom and I was shocked to see how badly we treat so many animals. At 77, I've been a vegan for the past 30 years and I thank God every day that I am. I am most disturbed at how little the Catholic Church and Christian churches generally give to concern re animal suffering in their ministry. I wrote to 350 bishops in 2001 and only 10-13 respond...

to see more of bio, click on member name

the source

Thank you for being so skeptical.  I decided that I would check the source I used and I found much more good information.  My original source may have been from the Care2Petition site.  Sorry, I didn't write the animal group which started it, but it is their assertion that 2 MILLION CATS AND DOGS ARE SADISTICALLY SKINNED ALIVE EVERY YEAR IN CHINA. I was glad that I signed this petition and hope others who care about cats and dogs will too.

And if that's not enough for you, then please check the numerous other links which I found on the Good Search Wagon internet site (which helps charities) though any search wagon line will do. I typed in --dogs and cats killed in China for their fur. There are more than a few good links which I hope will even satisfy you. The one I particularly liked is the one by Divvy Kidd who appears on radio shows all over the country. She also ran for Congress and is a highly sought after public speaker. She gives a chilling account of the video she watched in this regard. You need to read it.

Once Rob Kall said I could modify a faux pas I made in spelling a word in the title no less! I wanted to go back to this submission to enter in the address of the Chinese Ambassador in Washington which Peta so kindly provided. However, I believe I had to do some pasting and I wasn't sure how to do it. So, for anyone wanting to write the Ambassador as I shortly will --urging China to enact an animal welfare law that will stop the cruel handling of dogs, cats, and other animals at markets and during transportation, here is the address:
His Excellency Zhou Wenzhong
Ambassador of the People's Republic of China
2300 Connecticut Ave. N.W.
Washington, DC 20008
If anyone can provide an e-mail address, it may prove helpful for those who hate snail mail.



 

by Suzana Megles (35 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 119 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 2:02:41 PM
 


SW Texas ultra-liberal
john riggsSW Texas ultra-liberal

I can only pray that its not true

It just cant be so. I have to go check My dogs food and water.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 424 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 2:54:47 PM
 


John is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.
John HaighJohn is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.

Source 2005

Visit http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten/ Now that's something to get despondent about.

This might be the source of your story (link too long sorry)

I can believe that there are examples of animal cruelty to be found in some markets in SE China. It's apalling, but it is also unfair to hold everybody in a whole country accountable.

Should we call for a ban on the American team participating in the Beijing Olympics because millions of chickens a day have their throats cut while they are suspended by their legs on a conveyor belt of death? http://www.welt.de/english-news/article2065756/KFC_Canada_ to_adopt_new_chicken_slaughter_method_under_agreement_with_ PETA_.html   (perhaps you can put these pieces together)

Canadians have agreed to stop doing it. How heartless are those vicious Americans who love their fried chicken but care nothing for the innocent animals that died so horribly. Those American whiteys must all be heartless monsters.

Can you see how biased and unfair the statements above are to Americans?

I am always suspicious of people calling for action against others while they have a lot to be concerned about at home.

This organisation might have integrity. http://www.hsus.org/ You might like to suport them or PETA.

by John Haigh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 106 comments) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 8:03:18 PM
 


John is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.
John HaighJohn is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.

After further research

I spent a while researching the info in your article.

It seems that the story has got progressively worse with the telling.

The earliest seeds of the story I could find, referred to dogs and cats being cruelly treated in China, Thailand and the Phillipines. The last two countries were dropped from later versions, perhaps because they were not communist.

The skinned alive part started as "virtually skinned alive only minutes after they had been strangled" and quickly progressed to "skinned alive."

The 2 million figure started as a BBC report on world total domestic animals killed for their skins in a sidebar to a story on the practise in the EU. Subsequently the 2 million figure was ascribed to China alone.

I accept that dogs and cats are killed for their skins and their meat in China. I accept that many of them are not humanely treated.

But "skinned alive" and "2 million a year" are inaccurate and inflammatory.

How would Americans feel if Indian Hindus protested their barbarism towards sacred cows?

Japanese feel that westerners are hypocritical protesting the klling of cetaceans while we are so barbaric that we feel OK about eating cute bunny rabbits.

Koreans raise dogs for meat on commercial farms. They look like beagles.

It's not ethical or Christian to single out China on the animal cruelty issue.

by John Haigh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 106 comments) on Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 1:40:26 AM
 


writer, animal advocate
Netanya Nathanwriter, animal advocate

"Man's Best Friend" has no friends in China

How sad, and disappointing that citizens of USA won't go to the trouble of boycotting ridiculous celebration of Olympics in such a cruel, disgusting country where dogs and cats are treated like trash, or murdered in the most inhumane, vicious manners, skinned alive, and eaten by unfeeling, non-compassionate "customers". How can moral, ethical human beings let this tragedy go without protest? Ahhh, yes, most human beings belong to the crazed consumer masses who care only for their insaitable desires for the flesh of tortured animals, more and more products - Look what has happened! A Wholesale betrayal to the creatures of our world. Thanks for bringing this article to the attention of those who turn away from this vile injustice to "Man's Best Friend" and the cats of China - and Asia, in general. 

by Netanya Nathan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 8:25:51 AM
 


John is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.
John HaighJohn is an educator who asks "Is that true?" and "Why?" far too often.

a 180 degree viewpoint

"The Mother of all Civilization" has no friends in America.

How sad, and disappointing that citizens of India won't go to the trouble of boycotting ridiculous Academy Awards ceremonies in such a cruel, disgusting country where cows are treated like trash, or murdered in the most inhumane, vicious manners, skinned, and eaten by unfeeling, non-compassionate "customers". How can moral, ethical human beings let this tragedy go without protest? Ahhh, yes, most human beings belong to the crazed consumer masses who care only for their insaitable desires for the flesh of tortured animals, more and more products - Look what has happened! A Wholesale betrayal to the creatures of our world. Thanks for bringing this article to the attention of those who turn away from this vile injustice to "The Mother of Civilization" in America - and European countries, in general.

 

A simple substitution of Netayna's post

"If someone were to ask me what the most important outward manifestation of Hinduism was, I would suggest that it was the idea of cow protection," Mahatma Gandhi, India's legendary nonviolent leader.

 FYI most people in China treat their dogs and cats with the same love and affection as most people in America. Most young people are horrorfied at the tought of eating dogs or cats.

To blame the people of China as a whole for the actions of the few who mistreat dogs and cats is as illogical as blaming all North Americans for the actions of the baby fur seal slaughterers.

It amazes me how Americans with the blood of countless Iraqui human chilren on their hands can condemn the people of any other nation for anything. It's self centered hubris at its worst.

by John Haigh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 106 comments) on Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 11:37:06 AM
 

 

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