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Interview Transcript: Thom Hartmann on Corporate Personhood and How the Supreme Court Justices Have Become Kings

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Thom: Yeah.

Rob: Is the mainstream media talking about this? I guess Dylan Ratigan is. Any other"

Thom: Well sort of. I mean. Dylan Ratigan, he's opposed to ending Corporate Personhood altogether. He just wants a constitutional amendment that says that Congress can regulate money in elections which is the half-measure that I think is dangerous actually because it leaves intact Corporate Personhood. But I'm guessing that's just because he doesn't understand the situation that well. I think his intentions are really good.

The fact though, as you pointed out, Rob, virtually every occupy movement has a sign that says, "I'll believe the corporation is a person when Texas execute a corporation." That tells me that the education is working. As you pointed out to me in this interview, 10 years ago, 12 years ago when I wrote the book, the first book on Corporate Personhood, Unequal Protection, everybody was going, "Corporate what?" And for better part of eight or nine years people are going, "Corporate what?" Everybody knows what it is now, so I think it's working. You're doing your job, I'm doing my job, it's getting out there.

Rob: All right. Thanks, Thom.

Thom: We just need to do more of it.

Rob: That's what it is.

Thom: Good talking to you. Thanks for having me on.

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Rob: Okay. You want to talk a little bit about your show? Talk a little bit about your show for a minute.

Thom: You can learn about it at There's a list of our radio stations and I do radio show like you do radio show and we're...

Rob: No. 

Thom: "patriots and spreading the word. I mean, it's an important thing.

Rob: Well, first of all, you don't do a radio show like I do a radio show. You do three hours a day, five days a week and it's unbelievable show. The top elimination, I do an hour a week so it's not in the same planet or galaxy.

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Thom: Thank you for your kind words but I think we're in the same business.

Rob: Then you also have a TV show too that you're doing five nights a week, right?

Thom: Yeah, yeah, plus our radio show is televised as a TV show.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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