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February 11, 2008 at 10:35:11

San Francisco Chronicle Acknowledges ENDGAME By Homeland Security

by William Cormier     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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In a rare breath of fresh air, The San Francisco Chronicle has now written an article confirming concentration camps in the United Sates and the possible impact of “Endgame” - and based on the few comments that were made, people don’t want to believe the truth. Unfortunately, Americans are acting the same as the Jews, disabled, and dissidents did during Hitler’s Third Reich, always believing it could never happen to them… When presented with the evidence that our own government is readying itself to imprison hundreds of thousands, or even millions of patriotic Americans that refuse to support a criminal and perhaps mentally unbalanced President LINK LINK - the author of the article, even though Dan Hamburg is a former Congressman, has been ridiculed for telling the truth:

Rule by fear or rule by law?

Lewis Seiler,Dan Hamburg

Monday, February 4, 2008

“The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist.”

- Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of “an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.”

Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of “new programs” require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people? MORE

To those of us that receive our news from sources other than the MSM, the facts alleged in the story were no surprise, but the lack of comments, and those of a negative nature were indeed a surprise. Why are the bulk of Americans so complacent? This is one of the comments that appears online:

watcher2 wrote:

I suggest that Seiler and Hamburg re-read the title to their piece…”Rule by fear or rule by law”…and then examine the activities of those they seek to defend. “Activists” (I use the term loosely) whose appear unable to understand the difference between: “I don’t like what you do, please stop”, and “I don’t like what you do and if you don’t stop, I’ll (burn your car, burn your house, threaten you with physical violence…or if you happen to live in England…I’ll rob the graves of your relatives or attack you with baseball bats…insert your own threat)”, and have failed to understand the difference between protest and blackmail. I don’t recall the right to blackmail as a part of the 1st amendment…or did I miss that? More power to Ms Harman. In her own state there resides a medic who advocates the killing of researchers as a defensible was to save the lives of lab rats….rule by fear or rule by law? Hmmm, think I know where I stand on that one.

When you take into consideration the importance of a mainstream newspaper actually breaking the silence on this issue, I expected pages of comments, however, the original article was published on February 4th, and so far, there have only been five (5) comments, two of them made today. The article was concise and didn’t go into the specifics when I wrote Now We Know Why There’s A Press Blackout On S 1959 - It’s Called “ENDGAME” By DHS on December 21st, 2007, but they did cover the essentials - and it went nowhere. Why? It’s one thing when people don’t choose to believe what we research and write on our Blogs, but when the public ignores a dire warning by a mainstream newspaper, it’s obvious that America’s complacency, if it doesn’t stop soon, could be the final nail in FEMA’s coffin for all of us.

William Cormier

A Zogby Poll Shows Complacency In America Has Been Replaced By Ignorance and Stupidity

 

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Cheri Roberts is a longtime activist and writer who has worked in mixed media for 15 yrs. With 911 Truth as a primary focus, she participates in and organizes for events both locally and nationally always striving to get people out of their chairs and in the streets. She believes the biggest strength of the 911 Truth movement is the one strength they have yet to embrace, unity.
Cheri RobertsCheri Roberts is a longtime activist and writer who has worked in mixed media for 15 yrs. With 911 Truth as a primary focus, she participates in and organizes for events both locally and nationally always striving to get people out of their chairs and in the streets. She believes the biggest strength of the 911 Truth movement is the one strength they have yet to embrace, unity.

Was there any doubt?

It is refreshing to see some msm cover this so that maybe those outside of the choir or on the fringe of it can see the true downward spiral the US is in and what their intentions are.

The fact of the matter is Halliburton still has their KBR press release archived announcing the Gov contracts they received for this very thing:

 click here those who dismiss this and say things like "it's nothing more than an internet hoax" needs to do their research. 

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 11:44:56 AM
 


Cheri Roberts is a longtime activist and writer who has worked in mixed media for 15 yrs. With 911 Truth as a primary focus, she participates in and organizes for events both locally and nationally always striving to get people out of their chairs and in the streets. She believes the biggest strength of the 911 Truth movement is the one strength they have yet to embrace, unity.
Cheri RobertsCheri Roberts is a longtime activist and writer who has worked in mixed media for 15 yrs. With 911 Truth as a primary focus, she participates in and organizes for events both locally and nationally always striving to get people out of their chairs and in the streets. She believes the biggest strength of the 911 Truth movement is the one strength they have yet to embrace, unity.

hmmm link wont work as a click thru?

press release

if that doesn't work try here

The press Release was jan 24th, 2006 and has been in the Halliburton archive up until about 2 wks ago...funny how it now *hidden*

 

Weirdness, they must be ancy...I will apply *Fair Use* here and just post the press release...

 

2006 Press Releases
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 24, 2006

KBR AWARDED U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY CONTINGENCY SUPPORT PROJECT FOR EMERGENCY SUPPORT SERVICES

ARLINGTON, Virginia – KBR announced today that its Government and Infrastructure division has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

“We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support,” said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. “We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed.”

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts. 

ICE was established in March 2003 as the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE is comprised of four integrated divisions that form a 21st century law enforcement agency with broad responsibilities for a number of key homeland security priorities.

KBR is a global engineering, construction, technology and services company. Whether designing an LNG facility, serving as a defense industry contractor, or providing small capital construction, KBR delivers world-class service and performance. KBR employs more than 60,000 people in 43 countries around the world.

Halliburton, founded in 1919, is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the petroleum and energy industries. The company serves its customers with a broad range of products and services through its Energy Services Group and KBR. Visit the company's World Wide Web site at www.halliburton.com.

 

 

 

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 11:50:20 AM
 


truth seeker
gordon nelsontruth seeker

should be more concerned about RepubCon "false attack"

The RepubCons are going to be swept out in November, a landslide. All these contracts are under investigation, HAL is moving to Dubai, I am more concerned about a Cheney/Rove media fear campaign to put McCain in because he's the "guy to keep us safe". Watch for Al-Qeada announcements out of iraq/Afgan, the bogus Iran boat story was the first, a day before McCain needed a N.Hamp win, (file footage w/ audio overdubbed) Cheney controls DOD and Pentagon info/censorship out of Iraq, PLEASE REPORT the FEAR CAMPAIGN in the next 6 months, and the timing of the releases. Good research, btw.

by gordon nelson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 22 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 12:11:44 PM
 


Voluntarily retired California county elected official.
Shirley BianchiVoluntarily retired California county elected official.

Endgame

It is truly amazing that the SF Chronicle, part of the MSM, published the piece on the ENDGAME.  As an aside, it is just as stupid to paint all of the members of one family as not nice, as it is to broadbrush any group.  I happen to personally know some of the Hearst family, and although I do not necessarily agree with them politically, they are pretty much like the rest of us.  Some good, and some bad. 

Posted on OpEdNews is a review of the article by Matthew Rothschild, "FBI Deputizes Businesses".  The businesses are then organized into a group called InfraGard.  The comment is made in that article that in a discussion of a group of InfraGard people a statement was made, "... when martial law is declared."  Not if, but when.  This could have been a slip, but it was coorborated by another individual.

It is my one worry that we will never see another President.  The groundwork has been laid through Executive Orders and legislation to allow the present Administration to declare martial law for a number of reasons.  An economic crisis is one of them. 

I sincerely hope that I am wrong. 

 

by Shirley Bianchi (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 95 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 4:23:14 PM
 


I am ex navy veteran who is not happy with the direction uor government has taken
Jim BlishI am ex navy veteran who is not happy with the direction uor government has taken

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I dont think it is so much that we dont believe the GOV is getting ready for end times but that we know the less we put in print and the less we say the individual survival may be enhanced and we also know that we as individual entities do not have an organization which could challenge any aggression--I am of the opinion we may as well assume the position and am extremely unhappy about that.

by Jim Blish (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 4:05:23 PM
 


I am nothing more than a patriotic American that is doing whatever I can to further the cause of democracy, the rule of law, and am absolutely outraged on how the Bush administration is defying our Congress, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights! Footnote: I write in a style that I believe is appropriate in today’s world where we can’t trust the Mainstream News Media, and rather than concentrating on one article alone, which may or may not receive the exposure and emphasis it should, I prefer...

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I wish!

I was utterly shocked they published anything that pertains to S 1959, and if this breaks the press blackout and others follow suit - I'll be one very happy camper! If the whole country knew about this, plus the probability of martial law in the near future, we might actually have a chance of living out our lives as free Americans rather than what seems to be in the works.

Great Idea though - guess it's time to send MSNBC a message and see what happens.

William Cormier

by William Cormier (127 articles, 7 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 307 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 4:57:02 PM
 


Former Lawyer, current Business Consultant,history buff, Christian, father of 2 sons and a supporter of democratic government.
ArchieFormer Lawyer, current Business Consultant,history buff, Christian, father of 2 sons and a supporter of democratic government.

ENDGAME

You don't haved to look at comments to the story in the Chronicle to ascertain the stupidity of the great majority of Americans. All you have to do is remember they voted in the current Administration.

by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1130 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 4:59:18 PM
 


I'm a citizen and resident of Cascadia - a province of the FORMER USA.

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Other than that, what is there to say? I don't really matter... My vote doesn't even count. ***
And who really cares what I think! So I'm free to think anything.

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The broader story: it's NOT about "me" or my ego or seeing my name in print... I'm a fleeting ephemeral whirlwind of energy patterns and I will soon be gone...

It IS about many m...

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mrk *I'm a citizen and resident of Cascadia - a province of the FORMER USA.

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Other than that, what is there to say? I don't really matter... My vote doesn't even count. ***
And who really cares what I think! So I'm free to think anything.

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The broader story: it's NOT about "me" or my ego or seeing my name in print... I'm a fleeting ephemeral whirlwind of energy patterns and I will soon be gone...

It IS about many m...

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A few "Observations"

First the disclaimer: I am certainly no fan of the Bishitler Clan - they are an unAmerican criminal conspiracy... Can't wait for them to all be on trial for war crimes.

Okay then... Government, since it must fulfill its designated role as a bloated beuruacracy has spent millions of dollars and millions of hours dreaming up half-assed "contingency plans" for all sorts real and imaginary disasters.

They do not want to be caught with their trousers around their ankles yet again.

They used their best excuse already on 9/11... With a shrug of their collective shoulders and repeatedly claiming: "Who knew?!"

Then came Katrina... another GoMoFo official Cluster F.

It isn't that they don't have contingency plans for this stuff... The problem is government work is done by people who could not GET work in the private sector AND the rest goes to the low bidder. When a disaster strikes and we expect a professional response from the government and we are disappointed EVERY time. Silly us!

So we have bunch of incompetent jerks and maniacs making plans for everything their tiny little minds can imagine so just in case "something" does happen no one will be able to accuse them of not being prepared. 

Think for a moment how long it takes to get a cop or ambulance to respond to the typical 9-11 emergency call... Now imagine them trying to pull off several thousands of those in a timely organized manner. It would make the Keystone Cops look like professionals.

The government has about eleven bizillion ways to spend tax money to make it appear like they are actually "doing something." Giving some of that money to HAL & KBR could just be the Bushitler Cabal feeding it's pet bull dogs. 

Second: didn't the SF Chron print this piece on their Opinion page? i.e. NOT as part of their "official content"? 

 

by mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 295 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 8:15:45 PM
 


Dietwald used to work as a journalist in Moscow for six months after having lived in a small Russian town for almost two years. His views are decidedly uncompromising in tone. If you are offended by his views, he is unlikely to care. He firmly believes that in a free society, everybody has the right to make a fool of himself to the best of his abilities.

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Some anomalies

Some curious anomalies: Even though the SFC is part of LexisNexis, I couldn't find the article in the database. In fairness, I also have to mention that of all the articles that appeared that day, only 35 made it to LexisNexis. I also couldn't find any articles by Mr. Seiler, while Mr. Hamburg has nine listings - eight of which appeared in the SFC.

Further, I have not found any other references to either KBR or operation(?) Endgame. I did some digging and found the National Defense Authorization Act 2007, and section 1042 is here, and the relevant chapter and title of the US Code is here.

I am no legal scholar, but I think the Section 331 of Chapter 10 should provide some context. Hell, I distrust government as much as the next libertarian, but maybe Mr. Seiler and Mr. Hamburg got a bit carried away. Just my two cents.

by dietwaldclaus (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 10:12:37 PM
 


Conservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.
Mad JayhawkConservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.

A little evidence please

Where are these concentration camps? Has anyone seen them? If they are being constructed all over the US someone has to be pouring cement, pounding nails, and putting in plumbing. And no one has said a thing about them? I know if I were working on something I suspected was a concentration camp I would find a way to leak the information. Reporters would be just a little curious about someone putting up barbed wire, concrete buildings, guard towers and the like around the country. Please provide some links to pictures, etc.

As far as Bush being insane, I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, but I watched an hour long interview with our President and he seemed saner than I am and is definitely saner than those calling him insane. No twitches, no steel balls rolling on his fingers, just what seemed to be completely coherent answers to the interviewer's questions.

I know a lot of people do not like the President but to call the guy insane is a little far fetched. He has different viewpoints than most of the people who do nothing but sit in front of computer monitors all evening because, duh, he is the president and has access to a lot more information than the average couch or computer terminal potato. I have a feeling if we looked at the same intelligence briefings he does each day we'd have pretty much the same grim outlook about the world situation as he does. Most people here only see what Keith, Fox, or CNN want to show us and, better yet, read BS on the web from people who haven't a clue about what is really happening in the world.   I am really really sure all that stuff is accurate, unbiased, and up-to-date, aren't you?

by Mad Jayhawk (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 311 comments) on Monday, February 11, 2008 at 11:01:10 PM
 


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I think the reason that the Chronicle printed this is becaus

Is because the San Francisco Bay Area is among the most liberal in the country. So its readers would understand and latch on to such an article. I can see where it was at great risk that the Chronicle published this: Many taunts and accusations of far-fetched paranoia as you can see. ALas, the article is written in such a way as to yield such a response. Too many facts about S. 1959, the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act et al are withheld for people to realize that the concerns may be real instead of imagined or fear-based. The article should be re-written with greater detail to be more credible. NOt to say that the content and the concerns are not real!

Who would ever have thought the Nazi Concentration Camps were happening? And yet they did. Wouldn't whistle blowers have been declared clinically certifiable nut cases? We must learn from history: Human Beings are capable of light and dark alike. And it is only denial which forgets that fact. If we forget it, that is when we run the risk of doing harm, or supporting it unintentionally.

Live and learn.

Those who want more info about activists being tracked down as "terrorists" under all kinds of post-911 legislation, not only the Animal Rights Act as mentioned in the Chronicle's article, need look no further than the ACLU's website. Enter any bill into the Search Box: Patriot Act, FISA, spying, etc....and you will read all kinds of statistics, FBI documents, etc.

I suggest ALL Americans do this as a matter of priority, concerning nothing less than saving our country! Thank you all.

by Kathryn Smith (93 articles, 2 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 361 comments) on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 at 12:31:14 AM
 


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Mad Jayhawk, mental illness doesn't nec. involve incoherence

My stepmother was a psychiatric nurse who headed a floor at the Belleview Psychiatric Hospital in NYC . IE, there was no higher up the ladder to climb. And she educated me a lot. In addition, I knew two schizophrenics, met through other people.

I can tell you first-hand that even those schizophrenic patients seemed absolutely normal. At first. One would never have detected the slightest bit of abnormality about them. Fully coherent, fully relational, rational, very smart, etc....but when their personality changed, it was so sudden, without any reason. That was when one realized that something was wrong.

Not all mental illness involves schizophrenia either. And certainly, not all or even most mental illness involves incoherence. Many mentally ill people are even exceptionally intelligent.

I remember reading one psychologist's account of an interview with a mass murderer, who pronounced the kook sane because indeed he seemed so normal to even this expert. It was at the same moment of the office interview that body parts were in the guy's car trunk. Yet the patient seemed so normal that even an expert could see no signs of mental illness.

Folks, I believe the signs of murderous mental illness, in Bush's case, are absolutely all over the place. If we miss them we are just plain in denial ourselves, or ignorant, or something:

~Could YOU, Mad Jayhawk, declare war based on a lie? Could YOU send our kids to war knowing that there was no REAL reason for it? I would hope not (and assume not, for sure!) And can you please explain to me why this is incompetence (my foot!) and not deliberation? Hello Americans??

~Could YOU, Dear Reader, abandon the Katrina victims to die? I have such a hard time with the analysis that this was "incompetence". Baloney! One just doesn't leave people in that situation and strum one's guitar the next day.

~How many of us could watch the jet planes crashing the buildings and sit in a classroom without bolting and running, saying "sorry I MUST go and NOW! I have got to help!"

~How many of us would be emotionally capable of withholding healthcare benefits from children, nation-wide?

~How many of us would beg and plead for the opportunity to torture and at the same time ask for a get-out-of-jail-free card? That's the Military Commissions Act for you. Wiht "Torture" as euphemism indeed, defined as invoking pain levels "equivalent to severe organ failure and death". "Interpreting" the Geneva Conventions and US COnstitution as the Prez now does under the MCA, that's some really sick mentality at work, presiding over murder in the absence of actual death and dictating what exact form that takes. Charles Manson could not be any happier with such a position, paid to boot! Ugggghhhhh....

~Who would trample the Constitution so many times, openly and boldly declaring the intention to continue? Only a criminal is capable of such things, so brashly and openly too.

Do we have a criminal picture by now? Don't tell me this is not mental illness at work, in its most extreme form. It's called a MURDERER in public office, holding nuclear weapons in his hands. And if he has a "messianic" self-image as Father Bush is concerned about, then that is more proof of the pudding. It's called delusions of grandeur. A murderer while believing himself to be on a Messianic mission...the perfect picture of PENULTIMATE mental illness. Even if he is fully coherent, etc...

Oh yes, and one more thing, lest we all forget. Washington DC Residents were told to seal their windows with plastic during the ANthrax attacks. Fear ye, fear ye! It was all over the headliners, nationwide, teaching us to quake in our boots. 20 people were sickened, five died, and among those attacked were.....Democrats in Congress, who refused to vote for the Patriot Act. Who could possibly have done that?

Incompetent? My foot. Try deliberate instead.

Not a criminal? Then tell me, what the heck IS criminal? If this isn't, I sure don't want to see the day that we find out what criminal IS. Because if you ask me, Bush is every bit as dangerous as Hitler ever was, except in one respect: Hitler never had nuclear weapons in his hands.

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Enforcers the Issue + Mental Illness Excuse

"Folks, I believe the signs of murderous mental illness, in Bush's case, are absolutely all over the place. If we miss them we are just plain in denial ourselves, or ignorant, or something:"


An essential point that is being missed here is that Bush is not an enforcer of any of the orders/directives/edicts that he is issuing. It is the enforcers of any orders/laws/regulations/directives who are responsible for the harm that is caused. Without those enforcers, Bush's uttered and written words would be nothing but mostly gibberish, ignored and considered nonsense with varying degrees of disgust by listeners/readers. I wrote specifically on this when referring to Senate Bill S1859 - "
Action for the Forgotten Real Problem with S1959"

As for the reasoning presented by enforcers of Bush's orders/etc. prior, during or after taking those harmful actions, continuing to perpetrate the notion that actions that are the effective cause of harm to others are due to a "mental illness" is a major mistake. This is because such a reason leads easily (and has so very often) to the excuse that a person should not be held (or even *is not*) responsible for those harmful actions *because* s/he was/is "mentally ill". It is the results of an action that matter, not the reason why someone did what s/he did. The evaluation of harm done by the victim and/or those who value hir is the same no matter what reason/excuse is given for its perpetration - commands from inner voices (gods, devils, conscience, ....) or those of some accepted earth-bound superior or a grand purpose/cause. A person is just as dead and harmed (and the state of hir body really has little bearing on this) and those who value that person are also just as harmed when the person's killer is labeled by others (and maybe even by hirself) as "mentally ill" as when not so labeled. This last could be a paid assassin (member of the military?) who carefully removes all signs of the killing act before collecting hir payment for the deed. Similarly, either combatants or local civilians are just as dead or wounded when bombed mistakenly by friendly fire as when the target of some opposing military forces or an individual who set explosives and then claims having heard voices commanding hir to do so.

The failure of individuals to always hold an actor responsible for the harm effectively caused by hir action is a cause of numerous problems in society. Note that the actions of children are the responsibility of their parents, just as the actions of pets are the responsibility of their owners. Any responsibility of the child is between the child and its parents - again similar to the relationship between pets and owners.

So, related to this situation, all those who have engaged in activities that are the effective cause of harm (or have done so) are responsible to the extent that they voluntarily participated in those activities. If someone's body is physically restrained and used as a battering ram into others, s/he is not the effective cause of the harm that is done - but those who used hir body in that manner most certainly are. Yes, there are some neurochemical abnormalities in some situations (use of alcohol and certain drugs, sleep deprivation, etc.), but these are almost always avoidable - eg. don't use alcohol beyond a certain small limit (or at all). But, only if a person is physically forced to consume substances (or go without sleep) that cause neurochemical changes resulting in poor judgment and choices which then cause harm to others can that person be said to be not responsible for the resultant harm, and instead the responsibility rests with those who used force on hir (similar to using hir as a battering ram).

Some might argue that a person who has a brain tumor or epileptic seizure that results in a similar harmful chain of events is "not responsible", but while this may possibly be a case of unlucky responsibility, nevertheless, if that person was the effective cause of the harm, s/he must pay the price both as a feedback mechanism for practicing more care about others and because there simply is no one else who should pay (best in the form or restitution) for the harm done to the victim.

Bottom line for my comment to Kathryn Smith's comment - using the reasoning of "mental illness" to explain why someone has done something others consider horrendous, wrong or even just strange, is fraught with problems and would best not be done. For those interested in discussion of the political usage of "insanity", see Thomas Szasz's writings.

by Kitty Antonik Wakfer (19 articles, 3 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 116 comments) on Friday, February 22, 2008 at 5:16:59 PM