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January 7, 2008 at 13:48:32

What if we have another 9/11, but this time most Americans openly believe it was facilitated by Bush/neocons?

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Here's the hypothetical scenario:

(1.) Another 9/11 crisis.

(2.) But this time, most Americans openly and passionately believe it was to some very significant degree an "inside job" to distract us from Bush's toilet poll results (again?), and/or as an excuse to initiate martial law, and/or a "justification" to cancel the next presidential election, and/or as a pretext to 100% turn the rags of what is left of our beloved Democratic Republic into a Bush/neocon Dictatorship of the Rich police state?

Of course, this is just a question, a hypothetical, but WHAT WOULD WE ACTUALLY DO AS AMERICANS IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED?

For the moment, let's pass over the "first" 9/ll and the general sense that the American populace overwhelmingly believes in the polls that only barnyard animals buy the Bush/neocon party line about that infamy.

It's also common knowledge that our ports, atomic facilities, and airlines, etc., etc., etc., are under funded to the limit (hey, that's tax break money for the vampire elites), so when it comes to non existent catastrophe protection, this scenario is tragically plausible.

And there's also this "loose end" business of just what is the relationship between George W. Bush and Osama bin laden? Osama certainly came to George's defense with his timely photo op at the end of the 2004 presidential election and all of his family members were mysteriously whisked out of the country (with our tax money) immediately after 9/11. Sometimes it seems like these two men (and families) are joined at the hip, so this deeply worrisome relationship also intimately factors into this possible scenario.

Again, the question is what would we do? Would we bend over again and take it in the you know what, as the Democratic Congress has raised to an art form? Surly the average American would not take her or his cue from the Bush boot licking dem/pug Congress.

And what about those literally millions of Americans who already believe the first 9/11 was in some way an inside job? Would they still let Dick Cheney move them around like chess pieces on his chess board from hell?

Let's try a microcosm version of this. If your house had been robbed in a city where untrustworthy "elected representatives" left you spinning in the wind, it's one thing to say that you would allow that crime to happen once. After all, it's not clear what you could do since there was a probable alliance between the criminals and the alleged representatives, so chances are you would "play the game" and not rock the corrupt city government boat.

But it's quite another thing to say you would remain obediently passive after a similar crime (possibly worse!), which far from being solved, was used to rationalize a total transformation of your city into an organized crime government, with canceled elections, martial law, etc.

One last time, here's the question: IF another 9/11 happens, and IF most Americans believe it was an "inside job", THEN what will happen?

This may well be the most important question in the 21st Century -- not only for our country, but also for the world.

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Tom MurphyJust a person that knows he matters and placing more on acceptance than expectation... And while this explanation is viewed apparently by some as limited, here's some more personal information that those same some believe I "need" to testify that I can post here at OpEdNews.com:
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Is there a point here?

As if dealing with the "what is" has not proven difficult enough - for Truther and debunker alike, now there are some that want to add "what if's" to the mix?!? In a word, "why"?

Most Americans do NOT believe 9/11 was an "inside job" (but keep saying it over and over); regardless, though, HOW is this "what if" question THE most important question of the 21st Century?!?

"Heard it from a friend who/ Heard it from a friend who/ Heard it from another you been messin' around.../ But I know the neighborhood/ And talk is cheap when the story is good/ And the tales grow taller on down the line..." - REO Speedwagon's "Take It on the Run"

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 4 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1705 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 3:45:10 PM

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Michael Zimmerhusband, father, social liberal, libertarian socialist, humanist, skeptic, 9/11 official story skeptic, musician, composer, methodologist, martial artist, videographer, seeker after truth and justice, keyboard activist, nearly a scientist, smart-ass, bargain-basement renaissance man

Osama dead?

You know, there is evidence that Osama Bin Laden as dead. Benzir Bhutto said it in an interview with David Frost. His obituary was published a number of years ago in numerious places. You could find it with Google I imagine.

In any case, I wonder what percentage really understands that 9/11 was a false flag operation? That figure of 80% sometimes cited is not credible to me.

What will people do? Martial law will be clamped down so fast thay may not have time to get organized enough to do anything before the core of the resistance is sent to camps.

by Michael Zimmer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 4:36:37 PM

I'm a 61year old white guy, Veteran of 66-68, operate my own business with my wife and love to travel. Built a big sailboat in the 70's and went sailing for a few years, which ruined me for real work. Now, I fly hot air balloons for a living. Have been initiated as an Andean Paq'o. Yes, I am a liberal.
RogerI'm a 61year old white guy, Veteran of 66-68, operate my own business with my wife and love to travel. Built a big sailboat in the 70's and went sailing for a few years, which ruined me for real work. Now, I fly hot air balloons for a living. Have been initiated as an Andean Paq'o. Yes, I am a liberal.

Human Nature

Human nature dictates we will most likely do nothing. Nothing was good enough for the Germans, Italians, Japanese and Russians, who were being murdered by the thousands by their own governments.....why would we be any different? In any case, Blackwater and associates will help keep us in line and guard the concentration camps.

by Roger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 359 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 6:06:14 PM

I am an individual who is interested in exposing the true events of the 9/11 attacks.
CB BrooklynI am an individual who is interested in exposing the true events of the 9/11 attacks.

The Only Way To Get Justice for 9/11...

is to expose the real perpetrators.

9/11, the 9/11 coverup, and the 9/11 "truth movement" were all orchestrated by people who have affiliations with directed energy weapons.

The perps plant individuals in and around the "truth movement" to steer people away from the real criminals.

Take a look at the following highly sourced article and see for yourself:

9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline

Is it a surprise that directed energy weapons and TV-Fakery are supported by actual COURT CASES in the US District Court, Southern New York, with attorney Jerry Leaphart? (links to the court cases in above article.)

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 417 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 6:09:14 PM

Authored four books in Canada; Economics in the Workplace, Can Business, labor and Government Talk?, Oh, See Can you See Canada? Can we Assist Students to Work in the 21st Century? Most of my writing centers around Human and Civil Rights. Currently doing articles and videos on the myths of Canada. We often portray ourselves as being squeaking clean in world affairs, when in fact, the opposite is true.
IwasJuliusAuthored four books in Canada; Economics in the Workplace, Can Business, labor and Government Talk?, Oh, See Can you See Canada? Can we Assist Students to Work in the 21st Century? Most of my writing centers around Human and Civil Rights. Currently doing articles and videos on the myths of Canada. We often portray ourselves as being squeaking clean in world affairs, when in fact, the opposite is true.

Why?

Why is it so difficult for the 9/11 myth-makers to believe that the attack on the United States was NOT an "inside job"? Is it too difficult to believe that other people on the planet are more than mainstream media portrays, as impoverished, un-educated etc etc.

If you could spend as much time debunking all those myths you would have the story of the century. Long before anyone set foot on the shores of North America, democracy was thriving in Nations you cannot find on a map.

Then again, seeking the real truth would not earn as much money as all the "myth maker" websites?

Constantly bashing democracy is a fear tactic that takes a lot less energy than participating to build it.

by IwasJulius (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 30 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 6:40:08 PM

I'm a guy who does not want to share any personal information on myself to you, at least at this time.
jimd3100I'm a guy who does not want to share any personal information on myself to you, at least at this time.

Nothing will happen

As long as most Americans are fat and warm, nothing will happen. If they aren't starving and aren't freezing and have a TV to watch, the control freaks that run things and can do what they want. It's a tyrants' dream.

by jimd3100 (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 26 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 8:41:48 PM

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Sandy SandSandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, 10-minute newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspapers...

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Nobody knows what we'd do

I have no idea what the public would do.

It would depend on the proof of a Bush/neocon involvement.

More importantly, it would depend on Bush/neocon/The Media involvement. If the media were to immediately expose the involvement, the maybe we'd storm the ramparts and say: Fool me once...

Or maybe there would be a generals' revolt.

But if the press is part of the problem and the coverup, then it's most likely ... fool me again.

by Sandy Sand (140 articles, 0 quicklinks, 193 diaries, 1360 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 11:01:12 PM

I am a 65 year old widowed grandmother who just got health insurance after more than two decades without it which is difficult with Diabetes, asthma and hypertension. One of my sons is severely developmentally disabled by autism due to lead paint poisoning. I have spent much of my life caring for ill and disabled family members and advocating on their behalf.
Pat WilliamsI am a 65 year old widowed grandmother who just got health insurance after more than two decades without it which is difficult with Diabetes, asthma and hypertension. One of my sons is severely developmentally disabled by autism due to lead paint poisoning. I have spent much of my life caring for ill and disabled family members and advocating on their behalf.

Not Much

Most Americans, in shock, wouldn't know what to think. MSM would immediately jump in to add to the confusion. Political leaders would fear for their lives and that of their families. Look at the post 9/11 anthrax mailings that stopped the Democratic leaders of the Senate dead in their tracks. Lucky it didn't kill them. Look at the Wellstone plane crash. Everyone knows or suspects that any phone or computer communications will be monitored. How does one organize with others if you're being watched, prevented from traveling, etc.? My only hope is that there are so many honest, patriotic Americans in our military and government, that Bush-Cheney would not be able to get them to take the next step toward Armaggedon. But that is only a hope when we know the reorganization that has been occurring.

by Pat Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 82 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 2:48:38 AM

I'm a 57 year old Australian Vietnam Veteran, currently living in Australia.Spent the last 30 years as a Locomotive engineer and Union official negotiating with various Federal and State Govt authorities in that capacity.Pet hate are bullies of any nature/nationality, life's goal is to destroy/ridicule/minimise damage done by such people.
Eddy SchmidI'm a 57 year old Australian Vietnam Veteran, currently living in Australia.Spent the last 30 years as a Locomotive engineer and Union official negotiating with various Federal and State Govt authorities in that capacity.Pet hate are bullies of any nature/nationality, life's goal is to destroy/ridicule/minimise damage done by such people.

What if we have another 9/11,

C'mon Chris, are you serious ?

The majority of Americans cant work out for themselves their own Govt is at war with them despite the evidance starin them in their faces, vis a vis Patriot Act, Spying on them, concentration camps all over the place,( so far empty,) but definately built to house someone, Blackwater and their cohorts clearly demonstrated in New Orleans what the intention is for the people of America. Let's not forget either, the aspirations of the NWO and the PANPAC wish list they've quiet openly published.

They've made no secret of their agenda and wishes and are well on the way to acheive them, what have the average American done to halt/slow down/stop this warfare against themselves.......ZILCH, NOUGHT, can't even comprehend there is a war on against themsleves.

What will they do WHEN (not IF)another 911 eventuates ?

Absolutely BUGGER ALL. The masters orchestrating these events are very secure in their understanding of this.

by Eddy Schmid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 201 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:31:45 AM

We will either survive until the sun envelopes the Earth in millions of years or we will prematurely expire having carelessly and needlessly forfeited the future of the unborn for the mere accumulation of things man-made. An unemotional, instinctive creature would never have done this.
NfamousWe will either survive until the sun envelopes the Earth in millions of years or we will prematurely expire having carelessly and needlessly forfeited the future of the unborn for the mere accumulation of things man-made. An unemotional, instinctive creature would never have done this.

9/11 Debunkers are really Dethinkers

People that do not believe 9/11 was an inside job fall into two categories. There are the people that don't give a damn because they are too wrapped up into their personal lives of consumerism and infantilism and then there are the people who have not seen the massive amount of undebunkable evidence. There is also a third small category of people that know it was a false flag but continue to deny it because they have a considerable financial stake in the perpetuated lie. Examples include Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, Christopher Hitchens, Bill Maher and others of some fame.

You do not have to be a physics expert to see that the Towers exploded, not collapsed. No one has yet explained the freefall speed. No one has explained the thermite found in the rubble of the building which is used to melt steel, in this case the core of the building. No one has explained why the core collapsed if thermite wasn't used. No one has explained, including NIST, why WTC7 fell. No one has explained why Larry Silverstein said they decided to "pull it", using demolition terminology. People please. Our government is murdering us and in Bush's own words, "If you are not with us then you are against us." Truthers must band together. Our common theme should be the fact that the official story is a lie. We should not quibble over the details of individual theories that may or may not be true.

by Nfamous (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 57 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 12:10:54 PM

What is a "dethinker"? No source defines the term

That was a good summary. It's been awhile since I heard all the lies compiled into one place, almost as if you've been living under a rock for the past five or so years and haven't read any of the papers on why the structures collapsed. Thanks!

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 4 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1705 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 1:50:59 PM

A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.
W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

amen

What can I say? How about amen! Your second paragraph is the the tip of a mountain of evidence that blots out the sun. Denying this is exactly like trying to explain away evil.

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (229 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 1:55:44 PM

A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.
W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

George Thompson's excellent remarks

Obviously my comment was about George Thompson's excellent remarks. Sorry, should have made that clearer.

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (229 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 2:00:22 PM

professional panhandler turned computer programmer turned day trader, mainly am extremely lazy and get by doing as little as possible. I refuse to pay income tax.
Peteprofessional panhandler turned computer programmer turned day trader, mainly am extremely lazy and get by doing as little as possible. I refuse to pay income tax.

The next 9-11

The black-op now known as 9-11 was deeply flawed, leaving lots of loose ends, or, "Loose Change" if you will. There was going to be an attack on either the Whitehouse or perhaps Congress. Another scenario I have heard discussed is that Herr Bush was to be shot down in Air Force 1, killing all aboard. Instead, some officer who could think for himself and was not in on the black-op had the plane over Pennsylvania shot down before it could do its damage and create the perfect excuse for a total martial law situation. This would have lead to a complete media takeover and containment of any evidence contrary to the official version of events.

The people responsible for 9-11 are evil, but that doesn't make them stupid. They are exceedingly shrewd and have the best brains money can buy in their camp. They will learn from their mistakes. As far as their next major black-op goes, there will be two differences: first, they have a police state apparatus in place now to control damaging evidence and/or dissent immediately after the fact of the event, and second, they will create an event that is so horrific that "nobody in his right mind" would dare to believe it was an inside job, let alone say anything to that effect, which, of course, would get you locked up on some horseshit charge like "giving aid and comfort" to "the enemy". Oh, one other prediction ... they may or not blame Osama Bin Boogieman, they may pin it on a "domestic" terrorist, i.e., a homeschooler or Constitutionalist or "illegal tax protestor".

The major downside of the Ron Paul campaign as I see it is that it has distracted many 9-11 truthers (most of which I would guess are constitutionalists) into campaigning for a candidate, and, by way of not tarring their candidate with anything "kooky" have shut up about 9-11. Having started 2 Ron Paul meetup groups early on (May and June of last year) I have seen this from the start. In fact, I was admonished from the first meeting not to say anything about 9-11.

As I see it, the kook thing is to believe the official version, because of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

One last point ... 9-11 was, at the highest level, a satanic sacrifice. In addition to the general stupidity of the public regarding 9-11, I believe that spells were cast to blind the people to the truth. This was done scientifically/hypnotically through the use of media and mass psychology, but my hunch is that at the top of the pyramid spell casting rituals were involved as well. Just my opinion on that. But I believe that if enough Bible believers got together for a week of dedicated prayer and fasting, say via one of those nationwide conference calls every day for one week, we could break the spell and perhaps more folk would wake up.

Pete

by Pete (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 9:40:50 PM