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July 15, 2007 at 12:52:42

What's wrong with American Education?

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Along with the Iraq war, dealing with immigration, and health care, the poor performance of the institution of American Education is among the most severe of the problems seen facing the nation. Yet, depending on the source, the definition of our unease varies widely.

The definition of Education’s failure comes in many forms, largely based on the source from which it originates. The victims (students) of course, have their own definition – school is boring, useless, with its only value one of meeting friends and, for some, participating in sports. Try asking a kid what he learned in school today, and you will get the “thousand mile stare,” which quickly informs you of your membership in the group of those, intellectually challenged.

Parents have many complaints. If children are in their teens or older, they have changed from the compliant, respectful children so fondly remembered, to defiant, lying, empty-headed, drug-using, promiscuous brats. (Think Beaver Cleaver morphing into Damien). They are certain that it results from their kids’ heads being filled with all kinds of ideas that have no place in a traditional American home. Worse yet, if the parents are financially supporting a $25,000 a year college tuition to get these results.

Teacher look at their unmotivated, cheating, noisy classes, with occasional deadly violence thrown in, and either leave the profession, or stay, longing for the days when students were eager to learn, respectful, did their homework, and trembled at the threat of a parent conference or a failing grade.

Employers come closest to describing the problem as they bemoan the inability of employees to perform their jobs, their lack of productivity, motivation, and perhaps most of all, honesty and integrity. Remedial and on-the-job training have become the norm rather than the exception in the private sector. There no longer exists a ready pool of exceptional candidates for positions requiring knowledge, skill, and judgment, even with many more graduates coming from the colleges and universities. Instead, employers seek an increasingly immigration-restricted pool of foreign technical and scientific workers. In Government, from the President of the United States all the way down to the lowliest DMV clerk, raging and complete incompetence is the rule of the day. None of them can get it right, even when they try, and most of the time they’re not even making the effort.

If all of the above is true, how have we made the enormous leaps in technology, science, medicine, and consumer electronics during the last half century? The answer, it seems to me, is that this progress has resulted in spite of, rather than because of the institution of Education in this country. From the rebellious drive that fostered the Revolution through the tenaciousness of the 19th century inventors, to the non-conforming brilliance of Einstein and the purposeful drive of the thousands of university academics and their graduate students, we still maintain a hugely rich source of intellectual power. Yet, we no longer stand alone as the world’s leader in brain power.

Billions of dollars, a giant bureaucracy (the Department of Education), new Internet instructional tools, and thousands of people have been thrown at the challenge, with no evident reversal of this problem. All of the statements above represent different perceptions of the results of educational failure, but fail to make clear what is and has been missing. Thus, it seems appropriate to attempt a specific description of those elements of the educational process which have proved to be so intractable to any and all efforts to remedy them.

If we look at the research, and engage in honest discussion with the participants (educators and students) the missing or distorted pieces of the puzzle are really not that difficult to isolate. They come down to three specific failures: Neurobiology, Mission Ambiguity, and Untaught Skills. The origin of these failures and how to fix them are well beyond the scope of this article; the dialog which must first be opened is to secure agreement about just what needs to be fixed.

Knowledge of Neurobiology:

Some things about the development of a growing brain are very evident. You don't expect a seventh grade student to handle the concepts of calculus. You don't need formal training in neuroscience to understand that this particular brain is just not ready to deal with such complex ideas.

Yet, parents and teachers are puzzled and concerned at the emotionally driven behavior demonstrated by high school students. Promiscuous sexual behavior, emotional outbursts, drug and alcohol use, and dangerous driving all come from the same cause.

That part of the brain responsible for careful judgment has far less power than does the amygdala, the center of the brain driving emotional impulse and behavior. Having peers around makes the situation even worse. Still, with all the research already assembled, many adults fail to accept that this is a part of the adolescents storm which must be weathered. Nonethelesas, adults interacting with this kid tend to react with anger, and mete out punishment, rather than providing responses appropriate to helping him gain control over his problem.

Mission Ambiguity

Ask any high-school student to name something he considers important, that he has learned today, this semester, or for that matter, during his school career to date. The chances are pretty good that he is going to have a difficult time providing a credible answer. Have friends who teach? Ask this: “Suppose the classes you teach were removed from your school’s class offerings. What would students taking these classes have lost?” If everyone is being honest, any answer other than conformity to social expectations is going to be hard to find.

Students spend their lives in public schoosl, (and a good chunk of their undergraduate education) wondering just why they are there. For many, it is like learning a role for a play. You play your part, are rewarded with “good grades,” but when the curtain comes down (graduation), what are you left with? It seems to me that this ambiguity, this undefined sense of purpose and value, explains a good deal of the failure of the institution to impart genuine learning. Without a perception of real value, motivation directed at making use of what is offered simply is not going to be there.

Untaught Skills

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Sherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider.

Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in the Foreign Exchange trading markets.

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Iftekhar Sayeed teaches English and economics. He was born and lives in Dhaka, ‎Bangladesh. He has contributed to AXIS OF LOGIC, ENTER TEXT, POSTCOLONIAL ‎TEXT, LEFT CURVE, MOBIUS, ERBACCE, THE JOURNAL, and other publications. ‎He is also a freelance journalist. He and his wife love to tour Bangladesh. ‎
Iftekhar SayeedIftekhar Sayeed teaches English and economics. He was born and lives in Dhaka, ‎Bangladesh. He has contributed to AXIS OF LOGIC, ENTER TEXT, POSTCOLONIAL ‎TEXT, LEFT CURVE, MOBIUS, ERBACCE, THE JOURNAL, and other publications. ‎He is also a freelance journalist. He and his wife love to tour Bangladesh. ‎

Education in America and Bangladesh

I enjoyed reading your article and have saved it.

I am also a teacher - an ESL tacher. You would be surpised at the competitive and driven nature of my students - and not only in my subject.

These kids don't have to be taught - they DEMAND to be taught. Discipine? One word to a parent and the child starts quaking.

Why do you thibnk there's this difference between the students you described and students in Bangladesh?

Regards,


Iftekhar Sayeed

by Iftekhar Sayeed (36 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 14 comments) on Sunday, July 15, 2007 at 1:32:54 PM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

fear

"Discipine? One word to a parent and the child starts quaking."

And it's good for education for children to live in fear? I don't think so, and I think it's very bad for developing critical thinking.

In my experience the schools do a great deal to discourage real thinking, learning, and curiosity, in preference for conforming. Children are natural thinkers, learners, and workers until it is driven out of them.

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Sunday, July 15, 2007 at 4:41:19 PM
 


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The US education

Let's start with  the statement: Damien Thorn, the AntiChrist was actually an excellent student. Those who  have goals  or know the goals are  that way.

The US education isa dead in the water because  IT IS NOT AN EDUCATION AT ALL! IT LOST ITS PUPOSE!

The primary goal of any education  is a) to develop a citizen and b) to develop a skill to live.

Both are ignored and instead the only one prevails; we, the adults  do not want you, young people to   make us poorer.

This is the real  cause of everything and the more we go forward the more evil we, adults become up to the point of invoking death  through Bush against our own children.

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 236 diaries, 3362 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 8:40:43 AM
 


Artist. I honor Mozart in his response to "too many words" ~ "the rest is just scribble and bibble and bibble and scribble" ~ words - so I hope to those who read:  "(Your bio IS made public ...." time is taken to visit our family of artists who all fit Einstein's definition: ".... I am no genius, I am merely extremely curious."
rkellyArtist. I honor Mozart in his response to "too many words" ~ "the rest is just scribble and bibble and bibble and scribble" ~ words - so I hope to those who read:  "(Your bio IS made public ...." time is taken to visit our family of artists who all fit Einstein's definition: ".... I am no genius, I am merely extremely curious."

"Just Say No To Drugs"

Ritalin began being administered into the public school system in 1974-75, but actually it was introduced quite earlier - all in all, the fact remains that teachers and schools became drug pushers of speed (Ritalin) to keep the classrooms in order. Until the pharmaceutical companies are forced to discontinue drugging the ENTIRE CITIZENRY (see Chemtrails, etc.) of the UNITED STATES, our NATION is at critical mass: (1) discreet handicap = NO COMMON SENSE; (2) overt handicap = NO SELF ESTEEM.

How can American children discover and then learn how to solve problems - fact, the U.S. is indeed the greatest drug pusher on the planet - until this truth is exposed?

Deductive reasoning can't be applied and therefore in just this one simple instance the cognitive dissonance of America is epidemic - Dr. Helen Caldicott calls it "psychic numbing."

And it's on purpose - else how can *6.5 billion people be controlled? (*Minus 10,000 less or more ? of those who believe they are the Gods of Planet Earth.)

Time to listen to what Nancy Reagan said, however, it was against her SELF and her HUSBAND , as well, ALL so-called U.S Presidents, those who join in on the game plan to downsize THEIR MASTERS' "livestock," by using pharmaceutical plus illegal "street" drugs.

Insatiable greed and controlled population - valuable commodities - the die has been cast: Julius Caesar is supposed to have spoken this phrase when crossing the Rubicon.

Bad commoner human beings! "YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY PUDDING!"

Why should we continue to obey our "masters," (GWB, et al), the offspring of THREE & FOUR GENERATIONS OF WAR MONGERING FAMILIES, those who think with brains that are the families who have inbred for hundreds and hundreds of years?

That is not the worst of it - psychopaths posing as "World Leaders."

The worst is, those who do not suffer the discreet handicap, "loss of common sense," are CHOOSING to continue supporting and allowing THE FUTURE OF OUR SPECIES HOMO-SAPIENS, CHILDREN, TO BE DRUGGED IN SCHOOL!

In two words, pathetic - tragic.

by rkelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 9:45:17 AM
 


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Mark McVayMark McVay has lived and taught school in Oregon, Michigan, California, and Colorado. He is a Vietnam veteran and served in the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment in South Vietnam in 1969-70. His wife is a retired USMC officer. McVay's writing has appeared in Detroit Free Press, Free Press Sunday Magazine, Michigan Runner, Sport Detroit Magazine, The Metro Times, The Voice Newspaper Group, Michigan Voice, Willamette Week, The Oregonian, The Canyon Courier, San Diego Tribune, and the Denver Post prima...

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Additional Considerations

Thanks for a thoughtful discussion. I, too, am a teacher.

A few comments and observations ........

One element of education affecting America in contrast to Bangledesh and many other countries is the heterogeneous natue of out population. Another is that the new electronic technologies, while replete with creative and economic opportunity, come with perils including distraction, isolation, self-indulgence, and ample opportunity for hours of frivolous amusement akin to television addiction. Add to this a population of single parents increasingly locked into low wage jobs or the "uniquely American" quality of 50-60 plus hour work weeks, and we have all the essential ingredients for systematic educational failure.

It's difficult to place the blame for institutional failure on a system that must grapple with all of the above in addition to the proliferation of guns, a lawless mindset that emanates from the highest levels of U.S. government, a predispostion toward excess materialism/indebtedness, and an increasingly ineffective form of democracy that leaves people feeling powerless and at the mercy of self-interested leaders and corporations accountable to no one.

I'm afraid that our failures in education are merely a reflection of more serious problems that are gnawing away the very core of American society and are symptomatic of a democracy in decline.

 

by Mark McVay (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 9 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 11:06:42 AM
 


Sherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Sherwin SteffinSherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Some possibilities for change to begin

All comments have added some useful understandings of the dynamics of the problem. Yet, it ahould be evident that we still graduate some who go on to engage in intellectually demanding careers, continuing to make important contributions to our culture.

Given this fact, it seems a couple of things can be inferred:

1. Children who enter the system in the 1st grade are, for the most part, enthusiastic, curious, and ready to accept the offerings of their school. At some point, all of these attitudes change, transforming them to the cynical, lying, bored, and unmotivated teens described above. The causes for this “tipping point” once identified can give direction to preventing this change from occurring.

2. Those that are successful, and do achieve did not get there out of pure randomness, nor resistance to education; there are elements of the school experience which enhance, and enable intellectual achievement in some. Thus, we should be able to identify those elements of the system which promote and develop these achievements, and generalize them to remedy those parts of the system currently failing.

by Sherwin Steffin (14 articles, 24 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 82 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 12:33:14 PM
 


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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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REASONS

A comment on your statement:

"If children are in their teens or older, they have changed from the compliant, respectful children so fondly remembered, to defiant, lying, empty-headed, drug-using, promiscuous brats."

I consider this change the natural order of things because it is the beginning of severing bonds between parents and children so that the young will go out on their own in due course and at the proper time. If this bond is not broken you could get stuck with your little 'tards forever. All animals know that.

As to the poor nature of education: We quit educating in America after World War II and shifted into training. That occurred mostly at the higher-education level as a result of the GI Bill of Rights that put thousands of veterans in college classrooms even though their past had not prepared them for academia. That wasn't all bad, because it helped create a strong and vibrant middle class.

But now very few people actually major in "being educated;" they major in business administration, nursing, journalism, accounting, teaching and in thousands of other areas as training for specific jobs, not for knowledge.

That has drifted down to the high schools where students are expected to be able to run a MacDonalds cash register properly, and any college-preparation courses are designed to get students to fit in at college where they will be trained, not educated.

Just some observations.

by tabonsell (28 articles, 0 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 250 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 4:47:05 PM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

frayed knot

They have been stringing you along.

"I consider this change the natural order of things because it is the beginning of severing bonds between parents and children so that the young will go out on their own in due course and at the proper time. If this bond is not broken you could get stuck with your little 'tards forever. All animals know that."

Yes, of course there is a quest for independence and self-discovery, but this is not a cause of brattiness or like problems; that's caused by the ridiculous circumstances and tyranical bullying imposed on children, including adolescents. In a well raised child adolescence is not disruptive. Such things don't happen with animals, and the parents don't attempt to control their offspring or make them conform to an artificial culture: the young simply drift away from dependency as they are ready.

One problem is that many perents try to interface with their children as they were in the past, not where they have grown to be. Another is that they never taught their children the skills to be independent. In fact, many parents don't even recognize children as independent human beings, but rather as mere extensions of themselves: THEIR children, as if they owned them.

Think about the effects of not *permitting* children to do any REAL work and accomplishing REAL things (except maybe mowing the lawn or flipping burgers) or making REAL decisions until they are in their late teens or twenties. I don't mean exploiting them -- I mean letting them take responsibility and not dictating but helping them learn about what their capabilites are, and HOW to accomplish thngs they CHOOSE to accomplish.  

Most of the adolescents I've worked with knew very little about how to make decisions, think for themselves, or be responsibly independent. Of course -- that's also true for most ADULTS I know! (Bush looks he'd be fun to drink beer with -- I'll vote him for president! What IDIOTS!!) I've worked a scout leader, and frankly, after a year or two teaching them how to wake themselves up and be real people, they were better at making decisions and organizing themselves than 4/5 of the adult population -- including many 'liberals' who never had managed to wean themselves away from looking for some parent figure to tell them what to do.

Kids get screwed up because most people don't have a clue about how to raise children, something which is not taught in schools: after all, if you bring up and educate kids properly you get fully functioning human beings who are difficult to control.

Most people are not ready to hear this, but children are still the greatest exploited group without protection for their natural civil and human rights. The "troubles' of adolescence are mostly the last gasp of the struggle for being full human beings before they are finally nailed down into the mold the powerful of the culture want them in.

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 5:39:40 PM
 


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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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MISSED POINT

Not talking about brattiness or acting up or drug use. The issue is that adolescent rebellion is a natural process of growing up and is necessary to begin the process of separation from parents and dependence on them. That rebellion take all forms, some severe, as the author wrote, some mild and not physical. Sometimes just being a Democrat when parents are staunch Republicans is a form of rebellion.

In the animal kingdom, when the time comes for separation and the young doesn't leave to be on its own, the parents chase it off. Happens among all species, but since most leave at the proper time. humans rarely see it.

by tabonsell (28 articles, 0 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 250 comments) on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 at 12:48:05 PM
 


just a concerned citizen.
k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

economic nature of US education...

is by design.

read free online:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

 

John Taylor Gatto's

Underground History of American Education

Chapter 8; Plato's Guardians

excerpt:

As long as such a pump existed to spew limitless numbers of independent, self-reliant, resourceful, and ambitious minds onto the scene, who could predict what risk to capital might strike next? To minds capable of thinking cosmically like Carnegie’s, Rockefeller’s, Rothschild’s, Morgan’s, or Cecil Rhodes’, real scientific control of overproduction must rest ultimately on the power to constrain the production of intellect. Here was a task worthy of immortals. Coal provided capital to finance it.

Nothing posed a more formidable obstacle than the American family. Traditionally, a self-sufficient production unit for which the marketplace played only an incidental role, the American family grew and produced its own food, cooked and served it; made its own soap and clothing. And provided its own transportation, entertainment, health care, and old age assistance. It entered freely into cooperative associations with neighbors, not with corporations. If that way of life had continued successfully—as it has for the modern Amish—it would have spelled curtains for corporate society.

 

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 1:08:51 PM
 


Retired from the rat-race and now, with time, see the reality of what the activity really was.
GeraldoRetired from the rat-race and now, with time, see the reality of what the activity really was.

Blame?

As an educator, I can state with certainty that the publishers are mainly responsible in that worldwide they commission and sell - by whatever means - material which actively prevents education and is really more in the nature of social engineering. 

The younger teachers generally have been taught so badly that they cannot recognise what has been done either, so that 'new math' and the 'She's Got Dan's Cap' technique so obstruct the children that they just switch off to formal education. And who can blame them, when that is the intention of criminal minds with access to psychologists peddling mental stultification for cash.

'Academic education' has fallen into the wrong hands and needs a total overhaul.

by Geraldo (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 105 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 1:52:09 PM
 


Sherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Sherwin SteffinSherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Blaming doesn't solve anything

While textbook publishers certainly have an impact, they have to respond to their markets. Since purchase rests in the hands of approval committees, at the state, county, or individual district level, producing materials which will satisfy a national audience, when competitors abound, guarantees homogeneous, filtered, controversy-free publications.

To ascribe this tight wire set of requirements which publishers have to meet to “ … the intention of criminal minds with access to psychologists peddling mental stultification for cash,” fails to point to strategies for improvement.   

by Sherwin Steffin (14 articles, 24 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 82 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 5:32:50 PM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

Textbooks

are designed to sell to widest market, and so to the lowest common denominator.

As for new math -- if it's the real thing it's marvelous and just what is needed. Sets, group theory, number theory, combinations, probability and statistics, different number systems (like base 2 and base 16 -- binary and hexidecimal which are used with computers) -- the stuff math is really made of and is about understanding math, not just learning formulas and methods by rote. But, of course, it can be, and is, perverted and dumbed down to become just another tale told by an idiot.

Education as a commodity...

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 5:53:41 PM
 


not right now thanks
lwarmannot right now thanks

Curriculum? That, and more.

I homeschool. My kids use the standard Alberta curriculum which is delivered to them at home over the Internet. If they have difficulties with the material, they come to me, my husband, or their siblings to work things out. On rare occasions they ask their online teacher (this usually doesn't help). They were all doing poorly in regular school, and they are all honour students now. If the curriculum were the only or a major problem, shouldn't they do equally poorly at home? (I am assuming here that the Alberta curriculum is not that different from an American one, which may not be true)

While it may be true that children are born wanting to learn, I observed in my time as a 'mom-in' volunteering at regular school that many of the children were already uninterested in learning by the time they reached Grade One. My kids were ostracized because they didn't watch Teletoons and didn't have Dunkaroos in their lunches. They got embroiled in a furious argument because they insisted that there was indeed a place called Tasmania, and an animal called the Tasmanian Devil that lived there (though they were more than willing to admit it looked and behaved nothing like the Warner Brothers version). They shocked their teacher when they were able to accurately explain how it was that they were identical twins. Their explanation "After the sperm fertilized the egg, it split into two" was apparently too raunchy for general circulation.

Although I have my share of arguments with aspects of the curriculum (particularly the "Nan is a fan" school of teaching reading) I don't think it is the whole story. Schools don't stand outside society, they are part of it. There are parents who are content as long as the school keeps the kid entertained and out of their hair. Some of them are just trying desperately to keep a roof over their kids' heads; others are just too busy with their career aspirations, addictions, and love affairs. Other parents sabotage their children's learning and bully the teachers and administration into making sure their own little darling gets good marks whether they deserve it or not. Many blindly, desperately, believe as long as their kids 'fit in', 'don't make waves', and 'be popular' all will be well.

While I agree that critical thinking skills are important, I am not sure that schools are the best place to learn them. We have a small farm and inadequate income, which more often than I would like provides crisis situations that demand creative solutions. For example,we have a 'slow' well which will temporarily run dry if we use too much water too fast. No money for a new well. So we got a rain barrel and small electric pump and during the summer we wash our clothes mostly with rainwater. It works really well for us (lovely soft water) but I bet that if we lived in town there would be a bylaw forbidding us from doing anything like that. There are already bylaws forbidding the use of outdoor clotheslines. Our kids may be materially disadvantaged, but they are rich in learning opportunities.

Even if we did raise a bumper crop of critical thinkers, would they be able to find decent jobs? Drones and yes-men (yes-people?) are welcome; people who ask questions are not. Schools are a handy target, but I think the problem is a more general one.

by lwarman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 5:08:57 PM
 


Is a 34 year retired educator with a Masters Degree in Counseling - a free-lance writer with articles in Spanish and English Guideposts, Mothering, Oklahoma Observer, Oklahoma Gazette, Westview, Oklahoma Reader, The Lookout, Christian Standard ... . The author has the largest number of published "letters" in the history of Time magazine and NEA Today. Just had an LTTE in NEWSWEEK in December, 2007. Dale W. Hill is married with 5 children, 4 grand-children, one foster child, and 4 foster grandchi...

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Dale HillIs a 34 year retired educator with a Masters Degree in Counseling - a free-lance writer with articles in Spanish and English Guideposts, Mothering, Oklahoma Observer, Oklahoma Gazette, Westview, Oklahoma Reader, The Lookout, Christian Standard ... . The author has the largest number of published "letters" in the history of Time magazine and NEA Today. Just had an LTTE in NEWSWEEK in December, 2007. Dale W. Hill is married with 5 children, 4 grand-children, one foster child, and 4 foster grandchi...

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We HomeSchooled Our Kids!

Yep, we home schooled our kids, too, only, ... it was after they came home. They made friends in school that will last a life time. They participated in band and Jazz Band, performed in "professional" drama, participated in debates, went to music festivals, blew away all the kids and teachers in computer science, took the opportunity to be in Video Production classes, and all graduated. 3 out of four have college degrees, while one graduated from a cosmetology school. Given the choice between, totally home schooled, and public schools, ... they would take public school any day out of their educational active life. Home Schooling is over-rated.

by Dale Hill (58 articles, 0 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 347 comments) on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 at 3:29:07 AM
 


Young retired yank of 59 living in the highlands o Scotland. Been out of the old country for 20 some years now. I'm with the Dali Lama, kindness is the only thing that will work. LOVE cycling on or off road. My wife is a wonderful girl from Manchester England.We're haven fun.
davyYoung retired yank of 59 living in the highlands o Scotland. Been out of the old country for 20 some years now. I'm with the Dali Lama, kindness is the only thing that will work. LOVE cycling on or off road. My wife is a wonderful girl from Manchester England.We're haven fun.

What do we expect ?

In a healthy society teachers and children would be the number one priority. We can't force children to learn in a way that is unnatural. They need to move, visit, be asked questions by sharp educators. Not made to sit and memorize stuff they can find on the net. When they don't do this we fill em full of drugs and this only benefits the drug makers. Why would we expect anything else of this government? It is in their best interest to keep em dumb, they seem to be doing a good job of this. Davy Jones MA education X school teacher  X pat

by davy (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 241 comments) on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 at 7:01:11 AM
 


not right now thanks
lwarmannot right now thanks

your mileage may vary

Like a lot of homeschooled kids, mine would rather crawl a mile over broken glass than go back to 'regular school'.

As far as music, computing, etc. goes, it is *because* they are at home that they have time to do all those things. Otherwise homework and bus rides would eat up all their free time

It's true that homeschooling is not for everyone, but in our case at least it is far from 'overrated' -- it's great!

by lwarman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments) on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 at 2:34:31 PM
 


I am a libertarian activist and writer. I believe in a free market, complete civil liberties and a non-interventionist foreign policy. We do not have anything like this at this time. I am a firece opponent of the Bush administration. Please see my web page.
Alice LillieI am a libertarian activist and writer. I believe in a free market, complete civil liberties and a non-interventionist foreign policy. We do not have anything like this at this time. I am a firece opponent of the Bush administration. Please see my web page.

Nothing will Really Change as long as Government is Involved

What is necessary to change education for the better is to seperate school from state.

As long as government is running the show, schools will not teach students to think critically, or even to read properly. One who reads gets ideas as fodder to think through his own ideas. One who thinks questions authority and is not going to obey and conform. A thinking person will consider the rights of other so won't commit real crimes, but the government cannot control a thinking person in the way today's government is trying to.

So, obviously, as long as education is predominately public, students will learn that the way to success is to play by the rules and conform rather than stand out and be different.

by Alice Lillie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 47 comments) on Saturday, July 21, 2007 at 10:31:53 PM
 

 

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