If its Obama why isnt it Clinton?

Barak vs. Hillary or, as I prefer, Senator Obama vs. Senator Clinton

This thing is going down to the wire apparently. If one peruses the victories of the two candidates one finds that certain of the states in which Senator Obama triumphed are in the red corner and will be voting for McCain in November. While this matters not in the primaries it certainly might be something to ponder for democrats hopeful of victory in the main contest.

Unlike Rob I believe that the Pennsylvania primary is of increasing importance to both candidates.....Quite a race, heh?

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 6:44:20 AM
 

Ha-ha-ha-Ugh-Oh, tsk...-a Taylorian hysterical laugh of mine

   Ugh, sorry. I do not want to be disrespectful to  you, folks but you certainly are  not engineers and/or scientists. Otherwise you would recognize a  Taylorian process of small perturbations' dance around the point decided. Carefully and with gusto the  puppetmasters guide the machine to the 'honorable' and 'tough'  Hillary winning a  Dem nomination.  Noo.. Obama is cute and all that and he fought  good but... Hillary is tough and she shows courage so she deserves it. That's what you will hear more and more. And then  she will lose again a tough fight to  the 'experienced McCain' and he will proclaim that he will unite all the America-loving forces, Amen cha-cha-cha from Huckabee  to Obama.    And we will all here rejoice and say that there is still hope although  we all will know  for sure that Iraqi war so far costing 3 trillion dollars will now proceed and even will outlive most of us.

Folks, grow up. Even if by some miracle Obama is nominated the Taylorian scenario still applies: McCain wins.  For goodness sake, people, here, on tbis site you have a chance to  see the real thing. I have no pleasure in showing it.   But if I cannot even get your understanding  it is no surprise that our nation is in such bad shape.

Again, I recall the famous words of Russian poet Mandelshtam.'Why won't you spend some time in the coffin,  young man.' Spend some time in the coffin with the dead soldier and please, come out of it with clear understanding  of what is happening right in front of you.

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3254 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 7:46:56 AM
 

Russian what?

I am all for the definitions of Hillary although I do think she will 'rape the nomination' because she  IS the nominee of the puppetmasters ( see my comment above). But  Russian what? Hey, Tammany-Hall was not in Russia the last time I heard. And why is that every time you, folks have to eat your own poop you pretend  not to recognize the stench of your own cooking?   Hillary and her cabal are flesh-and-blood   good ole US. Leave Russia alone, for goodness sake.

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3254 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 8:25:34 AM
 

Democratic Nomination

Clinton could still win the nomination if the Democratic Party changes their mind and doesn't take away the delegates from Florida and Michigan. For the record I don't support any of the Republican or Democrat presidential candidates remaining. I hope they all lose to either Ralph Nader or Cynthia Mckinney in the general election.

by Ty Shlackman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 572 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 8:38:48 AM
 

You greatly underestimate the power

of Diebold T.M. I posted a comment here some weeks ago stating that Obama would lead and that Hillary would win the last few states to pull off a photo finish. My comment was removed. I again will say the Obama lead is just a ruse to let the sheeple think they have a voice in the process. If it comes to Clinton vs. McCain we will see the will of the owners clearly. I will state again Hillary is the next president to continue the cover-up of money-laundering and to provide pardons for any bushco crooks that might get convicted, LOL.

If McCain were to be brought into the game a portion of the loot would have to be given to him to gaurantee continuity of the cover-up and the dynasty does not want to share. The US is a family business.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 347 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 8:42:03 AM
 

McKinney and the Riggs theory

Cynthia McKinney? You have got to be kidding! ...and where does Riggs come up with this stuff.

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 95 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 8:53:31 AM
 

Thanks, yesterday I couldnt say theorem, now I are one.

What is wrong with Mckinney? Dont like women ? A little bigoted ? You on the globe payroll ? Watch out or I will formulate a theory on you rejecting Mckinney.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 347 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 12:56:51 PM
 

Cynicism

It's good to have the luxury of commenting on how meaningless the election process is.

by Maxwell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 129 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 9:40:07 AM
 

Bull

There is no pleasure at all in seeing and showing how democracy is manipulated especially if you have your life at stake and the life of your children. But if people accept the fact and not float in fantasies they can protect themselves.  There  were no real debates about war in Iraq. No matter who becomes a Dem nominee  maake sure they have a debate with McCain and say that Iraq war is illegal, immoral, criminal and  irresponsible. Force them to do thatm, to do the right thing. Can you? Can I?  It takes only one.

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3254 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 9:48:42 AM
 

The best analysis I've seen of yesterday's primaries comes

from Alex Cockburn, who writes:

...The only way Hillary Clinton can win the nomination is to savage Obama with calumnies, bloodying him to a point where the Clintons can ...make the case to the super delegates in the convention that in a race against McCain Obama has already been fatally wounded.

It's a course to which the Clinton campaign is now totally committed, exactly along the lines advocated by Mark Penn, Hillary's pollster and chief strategist. .... Already in south Carolina the Clinton campaign was willing to throw the black vote overboard. In Texas Clinton deliberately exploited Hispanic-black animosities.

Obama has plenty to be rueful about. He managed the astounding feat of being on the defensive in Ohio about trade, at the hands of a Clinton. The history of the late 1980s and 1990s was the Clintons at the head of the Democratic Leadership Council, arguing that the free trade agreements were essential to America's future. Ohio, devastated by job flight was treated to the spectacle of the Obama campaign failing on this very issue, because Obama shrank from making the full case against what Clinton did to working people in the 1990s. He could have slaughtered the Clinton record on Hillary's disastrous effort at health care reform, on the trade agreements, on the welfare bill, on the well- documented fact that the people who did well in the Clinton era were the rich. He was too innately cautious to play the populist card and he paid the price....

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1024 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 11:30:30 AM
 

Who's Counting

Has it escaped everyone's attention that Ohio has for eight years had the most blatant irregularities in the voting process and Texas is Bush's state? So Obama went into these two primaries with huge momentum and suddenly Hillary wins--and the Democratic party machine isn't crying foul? Who is really in charge here? The Republicans, apparently. The real question is, what can be done about it?

by Jan Saxton (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 11:59:17 AM
 

L

ook -- wether you like it or not -- H. Clinton is going to be president. She was at the last Bilderberg meeting. Conclusive voting results will be rigged in her favour, just like with the previous two elections. She ultimately does the super-rich peoples bidding and thus she is the most suitable candidate.

by Han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 195 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 12:00:00 PM
 

Hillary & Bilderbergs

Who knows which person the power elite have ultimately decided on as Pres. But they for sure decided who would it would be narrowed down to and pushed in our faces. They narrowed that field down asap with the help of the media they control... and they know who they will be placing in the White House. Pre-planned and pre-determined. Doesn't matter who anyone votes for or even whether anyone votes. They will install the one they chose one way or another. The one who will continue to further their goals. Presidential elections are nothing but a farce. Another way to make us think we have a voice or choice, to placate us so they can continue to destroy our lives and our country for their continual gain.

Get the DVD  by Alex Jones, "ENDGAME"..inforwars.com has it.  Quote.."Endgame is not conspiracy theory, it is documented fact in the elite's own words"..unquote. One of their ultimate goals is an 80% global depopulation. Endgame gives a good overview on what is actually going on instead of the B.S. we are fed daily.

Know about the North American Union and it's implications? Or where NAFTA headquarters are and why? Or what the real reasons for that super highway through Texas? Part of the "North American  transportation control grid"...(which will end U.S. sovereignty forever).

All a part of their ongoing plan to completely control the globe. They don't even try to hide it well any more because they are confident they have us just about where they want us. Just connect the dots of just the last 2 presidential terms. How 'in your face' blatant does it have to get?

by Rae (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 217 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 5:41:34 PM
 

The fairytale princess

Our very own fairy tale princess has scored a triple dinger on the strength of the fairy tales that she and her surrogates have been spreading around so liberally. There is the 3am phone call, where after running the falsehood her campaign restored the truth by not being able to offer John Dickerson a single example of Hillary accomplishing anything regarding foreign relations, and has yet to do so.

There are her studied vagueries in a CBS Sixty Minutes interview when she was asked about Obama's religion and refused to state unequivocally what she knows for sure. You may be assured that her opposition research has highly detailed information in that regard. Still, she propagated the fairytale.

Whether or not she initiated the Canadian embassy/NAFTA slander, it is another fairytale that she and her surrogates have given big play.

There is her drumbeat mantra of "Rezko, Rezko, Rezko," in spite of the fact that there is no whiff of impropriety other than the linkage of Obama's and Rezko's names. Indeed, the person who sold Obama his house has stated for the record that Obama entered the highest bid on the property. Of course, these facts do not comport with the princess' fairytales.

As an illustration that she is willing to destroy the party in service to her own ambition she, herself, elevated John McCain above Obama suggesting that Obama had no qualifications to govern. If Obama wins the nomination, I will warrant that John McCain will be running that endorsement as often as he can afford to.

She claims delegates from Michigan and Florida, breaking her word from earlier agreements, as truth and honesty are always a secondary consideration for the fairytale princess.

In her "victory" speech, I did not hear her offer her gratitude to Rush Limbaugh for the vote that he turned out in her favor in Ohio and Texas. To refuse to acknowledge what was clearly a factor is a fairytale by default.

Then, all of the things that Obama has not used and will not use against Hillary (Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, even Monica), whether empty of meaning or not, will be used by a John McCain who, like Hillary herself, has no such sense of restraint.

In all of the noise being exchanged over who is qualified, and who is more qualified for the office of President of the United States of America, it is time we start to consider some of those things that should disqualify a person from holding that office.

by John Sanchez Jr. (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 886 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 12:07:59 PM
 

McCain the next President?

McCain has begun his general election campaign.  His #1 issue is Iraq, meshed in with a more general offensive foreign policy.  Even though the polls show a majority of the people believe it was wrong to go into Iraq, the polls also indicate people tend not to hold his pro-war stance against McCain.  In at least one of the early primaries, exit polls showed opponents of the war voted strongly for McCain.

I think at least part of it is that McCain is actually standing on principle.  I think he's dead wrong, but he really believes what he is saying about Iraq and the threat of extremist Muslims.  People find it refreshing to have a candidate who actually stands firm for what he believes in.  They'll forgive that he believes in the wrong things.

The Democrats have a record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  This should by all rights be a strong Democratic year, and it might turn out that way in other races, but McCain polls well and may very well win.  The Democrats tend to nominate candidates who keep switching their stands and their images trying to find what will work best.  This rightly disgusts people.

Obama is somewhat different from the normal Democratic candidates because, while he does flip-flop on issues, he has a carefully honed image and sticks to it.  This, IMHO, is a major reason for his success.  He isn't switching masks all the time.  He does have a mask, however, and the Republicans will work hard to tear it off, and may well be at least partially successful at that.

I think McCain has an excellent chance of becoming President.  Unfortunately, he could be our last President since his bellicose approach and his tendency to throw temper tantrums could well work together to mean that if he gets that 3 AM phone call, he'll say, "F*** those b******s; I'll show them" and press the red button resulting in the annihilation of the world.

by Bill Samuel (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 187 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 12:08:49 PM
 

Obama Supporters WIll Not Vote for Hill the Shill

My family is republican and actually voted for Bush. They have followed the Obama campaign and now are committed to him, as are quite a few other thinking conservatives.  I am not a republican or a democrat and I support Obama as well. There are many many people like us in the Obama camp and we will NEVER vote for Hill the Shill. If the American people aren't smart enough to vote for Obama and choose a leader that would gain this country some measure of respect in the eyes of the rest of the world, then he is far too good for us.  People get the government they deserve.

by macdon1 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments) on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 9:05:33 PM
 

Im taking my ball

and going home....Not exactly great political acumen here....

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Thursday, March 6, 2008 at 6:30:19 AM
 

I don't get all the arguing

What does it really matter who wins the primaries we all know that the voting machines are rigged and puppets count the hand ballots.

by Ben Kall (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 18 comments) on Thursday, March 6, 2008 at 1:40:48 AM
 

I just gotta ask:

Are you by chance Rob's smarter brother

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Friday, March 7, 2008 at 3:17:58 PM