By now we should have a million disaffected and isolated Timothy McVeighs.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1760 comments [39 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:07:38 AM

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they want you to think it's more prevalent than it is...

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:07:49 PM

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they want us to think it is the kindhearted (animal rights), those who want a future for our children (environmentalists, anti-war activists, pregnant women) and now the homeless clueless. Yeah, let's all fear each other! Makes me want to cry.

by Oh (7 articles, 5 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 321 comments [41 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:23:19 PM

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I have some similar ideas...

Chilling Thoughts Amid Questionable Circumstances 

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:05:59 PM

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powerplant pipe-bomb scare. The person with the supposed pipe-bomb was never arrested, he was just questioned. A pipe and end caps in a truck bed must have been spun into a terrorist scare. At first it was said explosives were found in the pipe, and then it was changed to residue, there was probably nothing at all there. Now we have one report saying a cousin took a bag with the vials to the hotel office, and another saying police found the vials. I dont buy anything in the press anymore. You would think with all that "intelligence" apparatus they would get the story straight once in a while.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 463 comments [24 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:28:07 PM

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The truth is easy to remember..lies aren't.

Besides those in charge of anything all think the people are dumbed down to the point we will buy whatever is said no matter how transparent or ridiculous or blatantly untrue.

by Rae (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 230 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:31:18 PM

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Of course this man isn't a terrorist. Only foreigners are terrorists. We have to kill them over there so they don't kill us over here. Haven't you been following the news?

Guaranteed, if his name was Hussein, they'd have dragged him out of the hospital, slipped a hood over his head and shipped him to Gitmo last week.

by Linda Seligson (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:33:39 PM

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they WANT it to be an American, what better way to pass hr1955?

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:32:22 PM

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 I AGREE BUT WHY WASN'T IT SENT TO A COUPLE CONGRESSMEN, ISN'T THAT THE WAY YOU GET A BILL PASSED, WHEN YOU HAVE SOME DECENT IN CONGRESS.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:38:34 AM

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Obviously he's a nazi terrorists left over from WWII.  Just ask Ann Coulter.

We're all getting so cynical.  We've reach new heights in low when we can't trust anything anyone in authority says.

by Sandy Sand (198 articles, 0 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 1548 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:25:42 PM

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is a hallmark of competence and technology. Sadly the real LV hasn't caught up with the fantasy model.

Ricin is made from castor beans (which they supposedly found) but it is not easy to make.  I'll bet what they did find is not really ricin?

by Laudyms (0 articles, 1142 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 708 comments [138 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:26:03 PM

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come on, do you really believe they found castor beans? This sounds so set up when you look at the timeline.

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:35:23 PM

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came from Riverton, Utah.  For what it's worth, she had some remarkably serrious mental problems! Even bit a uniformed guard once!

But then again, I know many wonderful people from that same town.

I just thought everyone would like to know all that, given the horseshit that passes for news these days.  :) 

by Daniel Geery (26 articles, 95 quicklinks, 126 diaries, 912 comments [27 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:03:05 PM

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I had my suspicions it was a right wing thing as soon as I heard about it. Most of the terrorist reports on biochemical and bacterial agents in the last 20 years involved radical right wing groups. What I still find amazing is the department of homeland security listing PETA ahead of the skinheads and the KKK as domestic terror threats. Recently in my own town an animal rights group broke into a college professor's home and scared his family because he was using lab animals for cancer research, so there is some semblance of truth they may be dangerous. But to date not one animal activist group ever killed a human being and that says a lot more about them than it does the KKK and other right wing extremist groups.

by Michael Shaw (12 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 439 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:44:18 PM

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What is in this story that doesn't belong?  What doesn't induce terror but is in every version of this story?  It is the coupling of the Ricin with the alleged book on "anarchy," which I am sure is referencing "The Anarchist's Cookbook."  This tactic will lead to the first wave of wholesale use by Bush of military tribunals against American's who are allegedly found in possession of the "Cookbook," or allegedly downloaded it at some time in the past. 

As many of the older OEN members may recall, the Cookbook formed the knowledge base of the violence against property resistance to the Vietnam War that found its expression in the Weathermen, the military arm of the SDS.  Little known to most Americans, the Weatherman accounted for thousands of bombings of federal buildings in the late 1960's without harming anyone but themselves with a few bombs that went off prematurely.  If my recollection serves me correctly, they may have accidentally killed one night guard, to their own horror.

Although I have never read the book, I am nearly certain it contains no reference to making Ricin, which is why the Feds may continue to state merely that a book on anarchy was found rather than naming a specific title.  In that way, they will censor a host of books on the internet, and be able to arrest anyone they want whether or not that person has actually downloaded and possessed the "Anarchist's Cookbook."

That is the real story from Las Vegas.  Oh how I wish that what goes on in Vegas would stay in Vegas. 

by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 537 comments [52 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:41:52 PM

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That anarchist thing seems definitely a ploy to misdirection. Blame it all on the left! Meanwhile the right continues to undermine democracy.

by Michael Shaw (12 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 439 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:49:05 PM

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Are they afraid that for some, The Anarchist's Cookbook  might be a necessity to refer to?  For those UNRULY people like me who are voting for Ron Paul, who protest The Fed and the War?  People like me, a wife and mother of three who cares to call my local and state officials to voice my opinion and who WANTS our Republic RESTORED?

I know they don't like people like us because just today, I phoned to leave a message for a man named William Dark who threatened a lady named Nanette from a small town called Magnolia!  Her crime?  She painted Ron Paul's face on her house!  Who is this judge that would say this is a crime in good ol' America?  None other than HER MORTGAGE COMPANY!  You read that right!  The threat?  REPAINT THE HOUSE BEFORE March 17, 2008!  The penalty?  Have her house FORECLOSED ON even though the payments are up to date!

I think it is safe to say, they just don't like those who won't give up their rights willingly!

Peace,

Jan

by Jan Coldwater (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 9 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:30:15 AM

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From the article it says that Tholen found the vials and turned them over to the desk clerk. Say what?Did he know it was Ricin? How did he know it was ricin? Why did he not turn the vialls over to the hospital? If I suspected my brother had taken poison the first person I would have turned the vial over to would be the hospital. Why the desk clerk? That does not make sense.

The guy sounds like a prime susoect for suicide but not much else.

I don't know about Nevada but here in Phoenix the presence of fire arms would not be a crime. And a book on anarchy with a bookmark is not sufficient evidence of anything. What was the book? Why not name the book? Owning a book with a bookmarked page is hardly a criminal act that would point to Ricin. This looks very orchestrated. Like hijackers passports on buildings.

by siriusss (6 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 111 comments [6 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:44:34 PM

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agree and here's how

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:52:43 PM

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dying dogs who never bark are one thing. But cleaning crews cleaning the room full of dying starving animals and not noticing anything is another.

BTW who was paying for the  room while the guy was in ithe hospital in a coma? Did they use a credit card? They are so stupid they probably used a credit card in their own name

And castor beans. What? It only takes 500 micrograms to kill and he had VIAL(S) !!!!but he still needed castor beans to make more!!!WOW!! Ricin greed!!! Maybe he was  an addict-a ricin head?

And who were all these friends calling the hotel? His homies? Sounds like a sequel to "Breaking Bad" ! Maybe the character Walter on Breaking bad is not dying of lung cancer at all but is dying of ricin poisoning.

It reminds me of 911 when they said on the news the hijackers had taken over the planes with plastic knves and had tried to behead a passenger!!

by siriusss (6 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 111 comments [6 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:54:51 PM

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My first big WOW was them having to WAIT for that FBI search warrant. Hell, it's terrorism!, we got FISA. You can get a warrant like Text to ya, ok. Seriously. I think they will spin it to their old worn out, "we need the Protect America Act now or else" and "we need it now" mantra type crap that Lil' Bush keeps repeating. FISA is available, so what's the hold up on the search? It's Bull, that's the hold up.

Yes, I have been to Riverton, Utah but I didn't get my dog there.  Funny one. All this BS is starting to nudge our humor and sarcasm a bit.

Still not as toxic as flu shots and vaccines...heh heh.

I do agree about the anarchist groups. KKK kills, maimes and burns...still. White supremists do their damage, especially in prisons. BUT, it's the "liberal fascists" that are the "home grown terrorists". How can someone title their book with an oxymoron?  Liberal means the opposite of fascist. That's like saying "obese skinniness" or a "deafening silence". However, the definition that GlenN Beck uses for fascism is so far off the dictionary, I can only imagine what he uses for "Liberal". Those righties never crack a book so they just listen and swallow. Yes, that Liberal Fascism book is holding on the Best seller list for 19 weeks thus far...amazing.

What a joke.

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 592 comments [98 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:30:21 PM

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Ricin man. Police can't get search warrant for house and warehouse. Sounds like baloney. Anarchist book? Probably old copy of "victory through vegetables" People should be quaking in their asparagus

by robert braunstein (60 articles, 0 quicklinks, 21 diaries, 194 comments [40 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 7:20:43 PM

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This is all I hear... What a perfect person to make into a Patsy... He's in a coma.... Did someone else do that and stage the rest.... And was it that all the powers that be,  were not on the same page. Or it's being made up on the fly.

That's what I see. 

by MysticGem (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 16 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:16:56 PM

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http://luigiwarren.blogspot.com/2008/01/jerry-hauer-steven-hatfill-and-anthrax.html

by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:18:20 AM

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Regarding the Weathermen comment above.... they probably would not have bombed anything without a little cointelpro help from the Feds.

This current event has psyop written all over it. Just one more of the 'thousand cuts'. 

by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 1359 comments [400 recommended, 8 rejected]) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:47:05 AM

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And that would be why the MSM never covered any of those bombings, nor showed pictures of the tanks and machine gun nests guarding the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968?  Seems like if the feds were helping the Weathermen to make the left look violent they would have at least managed to convince some of their friends in the media to cover every last one of those explosions.  Why don't you read "S.D.S.", for starters.

by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 537 comments [52 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:41:32 PM

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BINGO!  You hit the nail right on the head.  That is the only plausible reason for the botched job of an investigation.

It is my sincere hopes that all the paid cronies that work for our corrupt and vile Government, WAKE UP soon.

Oh right, as per H.R. 1955, I am NOT supposed to say that because I could be a terrorist!  Oh, and don't say that dreaded word... the con-sti-tu-tion either, that is treasonous!

by Jan Coldwater (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 9 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:07:14 AM

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Sounds to me like maybe a "false flag" op that went bust? I say this because supposedly it happened on Feb 22 and the story just broke on Fri? If you want to call the lack of initial media coverage as "breaking". And what is this about waiting for warrants, etc - since when have they gone back to doing things by the book? What this did was give them time to try to cover as many tracks as possible and to come up with a "believable" version of what happened. Will really surprise me if Ricin Man makes it out of the hospital, other than in a body bag.

by usxp (0 articles, 18 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 11 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:21:03 AM

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happened even sooner actually, the guy called an ambulance and went into the hosp Feb 14th, valentines day...see my timeline here.

in a coma due to poisoning and they don't go search where he lives???

by Cheri Roberts (16 articles, 15 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 435 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:45:31 PM

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