Alcoholics living the 12 steps face the fact that there are things they can't change. We progressives must face the fact that there are things the Democratic congress WON'T change. We're going to have to do it some other way.
Our faith in America's resilience is certainly being tested and has been since Bush took office. The extreme actions, policies and strategies Bush has been taking-- abusing executive privilege, the signing statements, along with the support of the judges he appointed without senate confirmation suggest that faith in the constitution is not enough. We must fight to protect it, because the congress-- our elected officials are failing to do so.
Another reason the USA is in such deep doo doo, at such great risk of losing so much, is because the media we have depended upon to play an essential role in the protection of our democracy have failed us. They have, as they've morphed from mainstream media to megacorporation controlled lamestream media, betrayed the people and the nation who provide them with their license to operate on the airways.
It has become clear, since the November '06 elections and the resultant unable and unwilling to get anything done congress-- that it is not enough to just sit back and depend upon elected legislators to fix the problems, to fight the fights that must be fought.
We-- you and I and the people you and I recruit must take on the job.
WE must build the organizational structures.
WE must recruit the warriors who take on the corporations and the weak, election money blinded and impaired members of congress who are doing nothing or getting in the way of getting done what must be done to rescue America.
WE must reach out to other nations and the people in other nations to find help-- allies, funding, advisors who will help us take our fight against the breakdown of freedoms, the encroaching fascism that is growing in America.
I am not, at least not at this time, talking about violence, armed revolution or even breaking any laws. I AM talking about getting much tougher working within the law-- using all the tools that activists and revolutionaries throughout the world have already used. We do need to support the leaders we already do have who have been willing to engage in acts of civil disobedience for the sake of our freedoms. We need to build funds for bailing them out and defending them.
The challenge, when the fight is ramped up to the next level, is leaders will be at greater risk for being attacked and picked off-- probably by many-- the power holders on the right, the weak lefties, like the DLC, the Democrat supporters who don't get it that the Democrats are also part of the problem, as long as money plays as big a role as it does in elections.
We need to learn from people who have gone all the way to full revolution and beyond, to successful change in government. Again, I'm not advocating for revolution, but that we learn about all the tools and learn about what to do when your political group wins. Currently, if we on the left did "WIN" and take back America, we'd probably lose it, almost immediately, to the centrist lefties who watched we on the further left who did the heavy lifting. We'd lose it to them because we don't have well laid out, formulated and expressed plans for what to DO when we win. It is essential that if progressives are going to ever take back America-- from the right wingers- republican and democrat alike-- we must have a lot more intellectual, visionary infrastructure already built and in place-- leaders and thinkers who are envisioning what a Renaissance constitutional America will look like and how it will operate, what changes will be made-- beyond getting rid of the bad guys and revoking and reversing the worst of the rules they've put into place or suspended.
That can start NOW. It can be a people/grassroots initiated process. YOU can start. Instead of writing about what's wrong with America TODAY, with all your heart, in all your articles, you can put a half or a third or quarter of your energy into writing about your visions of what the next phase of a free, just, democratic America looks like. You can write about what it looks like at a national, international or local level. You can write about the media, about elections, about the environment, about the workplace, about rights, about research... anything. Become a futurist for democracy and the constitution. Become a warrior for the future of peace and freedom. Forget about just depending upon our legislators. Ultimately, we may be able to persuade them, but if we don't do it first, now, and if we don't get tough and determined, strong and dedicated and courageous about it, like our children's futures depend upon it, IT won't happen.
I must confess that I wrote this after writing a review of Giocondo Belli's autobiography. Read the review, then read her book.
Rob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, inventor . He is also published regularly on the Huffingtonpost.com and is a columnist with Northstarwriters.com. He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, Impeachment, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. He is a campaign consultant specializing in tapping the power of stories for issue positioning, stump speeches and debates. He recently retired as organizer of several conferences, including StoryCon, the Summit Meeting on the Art, Science and Application of Story and The Winter Brain Meeting on neurofeedback, biofeedback, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology. See more of his articles here and, older ones, here.
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I just tried to post a comment re your lead article. After I entered the cesurity letters, I received a notice I didn't list them properly. When the comment page returned, my comment was messing. It was wiped out. It took some time for me to write my comment only to have it erased due to an apparent typing error. By the way, I'm certain i typed the letters properly. I used all capitals. Perhaps, this site is case sensitive, but the letters below are all capitals. Nevertheless, there's no excuse for my response to be wiped out. Perhaps, again, it could have been a bit long and that could explain it. If your readers can't respond to your articles I think you should know about this and take the steps to correct these problems.
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starhelix (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 13 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 9:39:16 AM
There are no security letters. If there is a way that comments get lost, we want to know. But there are no security letters to be typed in for submitting comments. Could there have been some other problem?
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Rob Kall (869 articles, 4016 quicklinks, 345 diaries, 1847 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 9:47:30 AM
We have only to look to our Declaration of Independence. We have only to look at the examples of Ghandi and Dr. Martin Luther King, jr. While they are no longer with us, WE THE PEOPLE must act--as they acted for the greater good. Let us begin!
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Tom Sciamanna (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 24 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:03:20 AM
Building the organizations that will push back against the right wing power structure is critical.
With your hard work, we are starting to fix the 4th Estate/public action end of things, but that leaves Congressional lobbying, TV, radio (support Air America, Nova M Radio and others), newspapers, corporate contacts and progressive think tanks as the terra incognito that we need to master.
It’s all about organization, and building a strong support base with all of the “tools” that have long been at the disposal of the Republicans.
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John R Moffett (83 articles, 17 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 650 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:04:33 AM
to get our points across to congress and that other place, if we look and think hard enough. I don't mean, at all, that we have to set ourselves on fire next to the pentagon. With businesses, it can be effective if we stop buying what they sell. I don't know how to manage this, exactly, but wouldn't there be a message in the entire audience walking away, just when a visiting congress-person begins her speech? It would take more strategy than just not showing up, of course.
With their own electronic voting machines, all setup with their "pre-voting protocols", those running for election don't need voters at all, or do they? And we need to show those in office how little we think of them.
oran
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oran stewart (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:05:56 AM
Rob, I agree with you that, as far as foreign policy, the United States has gone down the wrong path during the Bush administration. But Bush alone cannot be blamed for these problems. They started when Bush I declared a New World Order and continued as Clinton flung open the doors to unfettered big business. The "national security state' with its Warmongering and war profiteering is Bush's main contribution.
However, I identify as a traditional American, not as a progressive--I am pro-life. It is important to understand that while the vast majority of Americans agree with you on foreign policy, they are also increasingly pro-life. This may seem unrelated to the foreign policy issues, but abortion is just another big business enriching American tycoons.
Rob, I'm sure that you are a strong supporter of human rights and international law. Well, the right to be born is the most fundamental of all. Until we protect this right--for Americans and for all peoples of the world--we will not properly ensure any other human rights and we will not respect international law. No one has the right to kill innocent human beings, whether in Iraq or in a mother's womb.
The Declaration of Independence, Constitution and writings of our nation's founders--interpreted as they intended--must form the basis of the new direction for America.
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Justin Soutar (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 25 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 11:20:12 AM
Where are this generations Gandhi, Martin Luther King?
Rob, when you say, "We need to learn from people who have gone all the way to full revolution and beyond, to successful change in government", yet you don't advocate violence, but change through Civil Disobedience, I can think of no better examples from modern history other than Gandhi and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., but of course they're both dead, assassinated, they were.
And there's the rub. Even though you don't advocate violence by no means don't think for a moment violence won't come along and cheerfully lob off your head. It's the old "Stand up for what you believe, but be prepared to be shot down." (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young?).
Where are the people? What was the number the other day ... 200 or so of the true Patriots and Heroes, that marched with Ms. Sheehan, Ray McGovern among the 40-odd of them that "cut your heart out" Conyers allowed to be arrested?
I looked at the album cover of an old Peter, Paul & Mary album the other day, there were thousands, upon thousands, a whole sea of people surrounding the Washington Monument to hear protest songs, in the early 60's.
We changed things. Before us we had our own Apartheid. We stopped a war. A corrupt leader resigned. And for a very short moment the spark ignited. And like Gandhi and Rev. King, some of us died. Many more of us were harmed both physically and mentally, and many arrested. There are many unsung heroes in every (r)evoluton.
And that's really what your call to arms is here Rob. And I'm all for it. I was for it back in the 60's and 70's. My father was raging his whole life. And even though I've come to believe M. L. Mencken when he said, "... all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time," we might as well keep on trying.
But indeed, be clear what you are asking for. People need to get out from behind their computer, fuck the faxes, the letters and the phone calls, they don't mean a thing. "The revolution will not be televised" Jill Scott Heron.
The two ways I see are 1) General Strikes (GS) and Peaceful Civil Disobedience (PCD).
Why GS haven't been organized with the combined effort and membership of the so-called "progressive" blogs is beyond me? Where are you guys? Pick a day to stay home from work. I'm pretty sure there are a couple million out there that would like a three-day week-end and make a stand for impeachment. Or how about boycotting GE products till the illegal occupation ends? There are many creative ways to use GS that are both effective and doesn't put the protester in jeopardy or much expense. The simple honking your horn at noon for one minute could send a message.
PCD is another thing altogether, but it's the old tried and true putting yourself in harms way. It took Monks setting themselves on fire in front of the White House to finally draw attention to the carnage taking place in our names in Vietnam. It culminated with the insane murders of innocent students at Kent State (and still no one was every held accountable for those murders), but as mentioned we ended a war, that like Iraq, never should have been fought.
I don't now were the monks are? The Jerry Rubin's, the John Lennon's, I know we have the numbers. But I don't know if there's the passion. Putting a bumper sticker on is about as far as anyone dares these days.
But that's not for me! I got 12 bumper-stickers!
Rob, you seem to have the ear of the the progressive bloggers, why not ask them to call a GS in co-ordination with all the other sites and ask their members to submit ideas for GS?
I like my honk your horn at noon idea, but I'm sure there are more creative, effective and fun ones out there.
As for the rest of you, I'm getting off my butt and going to get arrested again! At the rate things are going it's going to happen sooner or later anyway. Might as well do it on my terms.
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Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 20 diaries, 1782 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 3:39:20 PM
Look up info on legal issues involved in the Citizens Arrest... I still want to propagate the meme that WTP (We the People) should inform our Senators & Congress persons that if they do not DO something (as is their duty) in response to on-going criminal behavior by members of the Bush Administration, that WTP will conduct Citizens Arrests of Senators & Congress persons for Misprision of Felony, under the statutes and provisions of the US CODE (see below) the minute they (Senators & Congress persons) dare to appear in public.
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 299 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 3:59:59 PM
Citizens' Arrest By David C. Grossack, Constitutional Attorney
...in an era of lawlessness it is important that citizens be advised as to their lawful right to protect their communities, loved ones and themselves by making lawful citizens' arrests.
First, what is an arrest?
Black's Law Dictionary: "The apprehending or detaining of a person in order to be forthcoming to answer an alleged or suspected crime." See Ex parte Sherwood, (29 Tex. App. 334, 15 S.W. 812).
A strong argument can be made that the right to make a citizen's arrest is a constitutionally protected right under the Ninth Amendment as its impact includes the individual's natural right to self preservation and the defense of the others. Indeed, the laws of citizens arrest appear to be predicated upon the effectiveness of the Second Amendment. Simply put, without firepower, people are less likely going to be able to make a citizen's arrest. A random sampling of the various states as well as the District of Columbia indicates that a citizen's arrest is valid when a public offense was committed in the presence of the arresting private citizen or when the arresting private citizen has a reasonable belief that the suspect has committed a felony, whether or not in the presence of the arresting citizen.
In the most crime ridden spot in the country, our nation's capitol, District of Columbia Law 23- 582(b) reads as follows:
(b) A private person may arrest another -
(1) who he has probable cause to believe is committing in his presence -
(A) a felony, or
(B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581 (a)(2); or
(2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman, or other person authorized by law to make an arrest.
(c) Any person making an arrest pursuant to this section shall deliver the person arrested to a law enforcement officer without unreasonable delay. (July 29, 1970, 84 Stat. 630, Pub. L. 91-358, Title II, § 210(a); 1973 Ed., § 23-582; Apr. 30, 1988, D.C. Law 7-104, § 7(e), 35 DCR 147.)
In Tennessee, it has been held that a private citizen has the right to arrest when a felony has been committed and he has reasonable cause to believe that the person arrested committed it. Reasonable grounds will justify the arrest, whether the facts turn out to be sufficient or not. (See Wilson v. State, 79 Tenn. 310 (1833).
Massachusetts law, which permits a private person to arrest for a felony, also permits those acquitted of the felony charge to sue the arresting person for false arrest or false imprisonment. (See Commonwealth v. Harris, 11 Mass. App. 165 (1981))
Kentucky law holds that a person witnessing a felony MUST take affirmative steps to prevent it, if possible. (See Gill v. Commonwealth, 235 KY 351 (1930.)
Indeed, Kentucky citizens are permitted to kill fleeing felons while making a citizen's arrest (Kentucky Criminal Code § 37; S 43, §44.)
Utah law permits citizen's arrest, but explicitly prohibits deadly force. (See Chapter 76-2-403.)
Making citizen's arrest maliciously or without reasonable basis in belief could lead to civil or criminal penalties. It would obviously be a violation of a suspect's civil rights to use excessive force, to torture, to hold in unsafe or cruel conditions or to invent a reason to arrest for the ulterior motive of settling a private score.
Civil lawsuits against department stores, police departments, and even cult deprogrammers for false imprisonment are legend. Anybody who makes a citizens arrest should not use more force than is necessary, should not delay in turning the suspect over to the proper authorities, and should never mete out any punishment ... unless willing to face the consequences.
As the ability of the powers that be to hold society together and preserve law and order diminishes, citizen's arrests will undoubtedly be more common as a way to help communities cope with the wrongdoers in out midst.
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All states currently authorize private citizens (non-police officers) to make arrests if the situation warrants such action. Although citizens’ arrests are not common, they do happen, and often they result in the capture of a criminal. Although private citizens should exercise caution when making citizens’ arrests, they are authorized to do so if the following circumstances are present:
1) They personally observe the commission of a crime; 2) They have knowledge that the person has committed a felony; or 3) They have probable cause that the person has committed a felony.
Citizens’ Arrests: Civil Liability
The general rule of thumb is that private citizens should not attempt to make a citizens’ arrest unless they are absolutely certain that a crime has been committed, and that law enforcement can later prove that the crime was committed. If the private citizen is later found to have made a false citizens’ arrest, he or she could be civilly liable to the detainee for monetary damages. Courts do not look favorably on vigilantes who make regular citizens’ arrests, or private citizens who make arrests based on no real knowledge of a crime.
Citizens’ Arrests: Safety
Let’s say that you own a small convenience store in a bad part of town, and a man comes into your store and attempts to rob you of the money in the cash register. At that point, you know that the man has committed a felony, and you have the right to make a citizens’ arrest. The question, however, is not of legal authority, but of safety.
If the man has a gun, then you could be shot, and even if he isn’t armed, you could be injured or killed in the struggle. The only time that a citizens’ arrest is advisable is when there is no danger of personal harm. If you fear that you may be killed in an attempt to make a citizens’ arrest, the best thing to do is to get to safety and to call the police.
Citizens’ Arrests: Deadly Force
Self defense is one thing, but the use of deadly force during a citizens’ arrest could be a terrible error in judgment. Private citizens are not authorized to use deadly force when trying to make a citizens’ arrest, and unless you can prove that the use of deadly force was in response to a threat to your life or to the lives of others, you could be both civilly and criminally liable for that force.
Remember that police officers are authorized to use deadly force when necessary, but that private citizens are NOT.
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U.S. Code TITLE 18 - PART I - CHAPTER 73 -- 1505
1505. Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or
Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—
Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
Part 2. Every person in Congress knows the Bush administration has refused to appear - and therefore MUST BY LAW ACT (see below) or be guilty of Misprision of felony
UNITED STATES CODE - TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, PART I – CRIMES, CHAPTER 1 - GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 4. Misprision of felony
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
When the time is right citizens arrests on politicians may be excellent ways of protesting, however, the arrests should be performed not by individuals but for tactic and safety reasons by teams. One person can record the arrest with a camcorder. Politicians will not as a rule respond with physical violence.
I said when the time is right because I am not yet convinced that the time is right. I am not yet convinced that there has been sufficient intelligence gathered on the particular views of individual representatives.
I think it would be useful for the impeachment movement to start to compile a database of politicians views on the impeachment of Cheney and Bush respectively. I am thinking a relatively simple Excell spreadsheet that would contain a number of fields such as the representatives name, the date of their last relevant comment (for, against etc), where possible a link to a document or statement bearing out that comment (in order to check) and a list of the person who obtained the comment. The person obtaining the comment is useful as a quality control on the data and in order to encourage people gathering data in a useful way. Every time a person gets a reply to an email or a letter from their representative they have a document. A database allows activists to tag team and use their efforts intelligently.
There is nothing illegal about preparing a database of this sort and cooperatively and intelligently assisting each others efforts at activism (I don't think). But a place for the database to reside is required.
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Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1042 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:52:12 PM
I agree. You have anticipated my further comments. ( I try to be brief and concise. I want no more than to provide a spark - not the entire confligration.
Believing as I do that "I may never set the world on fire but I can be the spark that ignites the flame." ...?)
Form a Posse
I think if several citizens in every Congressional district in the country contacted
the office of their Congressional representatives to inform them that
when the PUBLIC SERVANT returns home to make their next hometown public appearance, __several large gentlemen from the local neighborhood are making serious plans to lay hands on them with the intent to execute a Citizens Arrest and deliver them to the local constabulary for processing and Felony charges under the US Code.
Imagine if Congress persons were fearful to go out in public... For fear of
being roughly handled, taken into custody and CHARGED with a FELONY!
It IS the law!
When people fear the government - that's tryanny.
When government fears the people...that's democracy.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Enough said!
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 299 comments)
on Thursday, July 26, 2007 at 1:39:51 PM
I also lost 3 comments. they just would not take kept publishing one line of about 15 lines.
Here are the latest Approval Polls I have seen: "Cheney 12%
Bush 22-24%
Dem Congress 29%
Bush knows how to read also, and Rove knows this presents an opening. they may not have to call for Martial Law, they may win legitmately because those who have so honestly supported the Dems are as frustrated as the 29% Approavle rating discloses.
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Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1311 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 7:16:45 PM
The entire country of Argentina was just brought to it's knees by a General Strike.
And why? Because a teacher was killed at a strike by police.
Think about that. Because one teacher was killed. A whole country of people, butchers, bakers, lawyers, cab-drivers, cooks, waiters, dentists, truck drivers, nearly everybody brought their government to a standstill overnight without firing a shoot. Because one person died.
The site below has an impressive list of how General Strikes are working effectively around the world.
Let's start with an easy one. This Monday will be the Out of Iraq Strike. Take the day off. Go to the park. Spend time with the family. Wear an an anti-war shirt. Just do it. What if the first Monday 10,000 stayed home and it grew to a few million, could we achieve what the Argentinians achieved? Do we have the courage to do what they did for one person, what we could do for nearly one million already killed? Is a day off from work worth one more innocent life for an illegal occupation?
Tuesday could be impeach cheney day.
Wednesday impeach bush day.
Thursday, Reopen 9/11 Investigation Day.
Friday, boycott the major corporation of the week day.
Saturday, a general, general strike.
Sunday, everyone gets Sunday off and goes to the park.
I'm goofing, but I started to look what some recent General Strikes have done around the world and how effective many of them have been in bringing power to heel to the people.
There should be a General Strike Clearing House Web-site that could co-ordinate GS through their massive memberships. Why not on this site?
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Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 20 diaries, 1782 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 8:51:02 PM
Goofing? This is the best idea I've heard yet. Nothing else seems to be working.
What if you could get an organization like MoveOn.org (perhaps in conjunction with others such as Code Pink, UFPJ et al, and all the major progressive websites, such as DailyKos, Huffington Post, AlterNet, TruthOut, Common Dreams, MyDD, and, not least, OpEdNews), to promote the idea? Get Cindy Sheehan to support and promote the idea. Get SEIU and the Teamsters on board. Have Kucinich and his HR 333 co-sponsors involved. The Reverend Yearwood & the Hip Hop Caucus. Iraq veterans groups. Get the word out on Care2.com. The list goes on and on.
Not an every day strike, to start. Perhaps one set day each week. How about "Freedom Friday"?
Somebody needs to write this up coherently. Rob?
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Todd Huffman, M.D. (80 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 109 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:29:33 PM
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. We are fighting a repressive, illegitimate, criminal fascist regime and we don't have to re-invent the wheel. The sandinistas fought one. And many others did too. We are fighting a power base that has been bought and paid for by transnational corporations. We must declare war on those corporations that are funding the politicians that are soiling our democracy and our constitution. WAR!!. When you fight a war you seek to kill or take over the opposition. Perhaps part of what we need to do is get legislation enacted that can "kill" corporations.
Of all the stuff I've written, of late, this makes me more fearful for my safety than anything about politicians.
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Rob Kall (869 articles, 4016 quicklinks, 345 diaries, 1847 comments)
on Thursday, July 26, 2007 at 12:35:25 PM
I do think the single best issue to push in discussing 'IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES' is Dubya Gump's continued refusal to secure our borders. That is the single biggest issue that the right wingers loathe bush on. So we get them to agree he needs to go NOW bc he won't secure our borders and therefore terrorists could cross the border soon ;) This would basically be a form of subversion but whatever it takes to get rid of these ahols asap is what needs to be done!
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BenMarbleMD (22 articles, 0 quicklinks, 217 diaries, 322 comments)
on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:30:21 PM
