We should not hate Bush or even Bush and Cheney. We should hate ALL THE REPUBLICANS. Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Ashcroft (leaving office doesn't mean we have to stop hating you, does it?), Rice, Hadley, Pearle, Wolfowitz (changing jobs doesnt..., right?), Libby, Powell (changing sides but never apologizing, doesn't...), O'Conner, Scalia, Thomas, Renquist (being dead doesn't..., right?), Roberts, Alito, Bush (Jeb), Liberman (saying you are a Democrat surely doesn't mean we can't hate you if you SUPPORT the Republicans and do whatever they say), Santorum (being out of office and disgraced doesn't...), oh hell, the list never ends. They are all pieces of crap who have betrayed the country and the Constitution and caused great harm to the ENTIRE WORLD. These people have betrayed rules of HUMANITY -- I think their punishement should be MUCH MUCH worse than simply being taken from power. And I reserve the right to hate each and every one of them, including the A-holes in the big red pickup trucks with W or Bush/Cheney bumper stickers on their back windows. I reserve the right to HATE THEM FOREVER, TILL EVERY LAST HATE CELL IN MY BODY IS DEAD. And I used to be such a nice guy and so full of peace and love and understanding and forgiveness. THAT is what I hate the Republicans for the most -- their Party-over-Country mentality has brought me to this. Charlie L Portland, OR

by Charlie L (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 747 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 9:52:42 AM

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In fact, the commentators you have mentioned in your article would have accused you of hating Bush even if you oozed love towards him. It is their job. History had proven many times that the only way to cure the psychopath is to let him know that he does not worry in vain. Bush is not just a 'dislikable Prez'. He wants us dead. He wants you dead and also your children. If you know that he wants you dead, akcnowledge that and still do not hate him then there is a problem with you, I suppose. There is another, a very deep and sinister aspect of this. This aspect is an issue of provocation. The right-wingers deliberately point a finger at the left and progressives, calling those 'haters' to unleash power against those people. It is a very dirty and a very old trick- they essentially are snitches for the government repressive mechanism. That is what they should be called- snitches, blood-mongers, snakes. Now,you can counteract that by calling them what they are- they hate this country. By helping the harmful group to stay in power they are traitors. Treason is as much an accusation as a 'hatred of Bush' and as such serves them right: they are treasonous cowards' Lincoln might have said those beautiful words but in his deeds he was far from angelic. He was a harsh, resolute and direct person and he was not afraid to use all the powers and all the dark emotions to achieve the goals he considered necessary to achieve. Lincoln grieved the losses but he fully supported Grant, the 'exchanger', the one who deliberately lured the Southerners into the series of battles with huge casualties to exhaust the manpower of the rebels. Lincoln was a person of great feelings and great convictions and that is what makes him such a statesman, not the 'angelic diatribe'. IF hewa here now he would be shouting hate of Bush from all podiums. If Bushites complain that they are hated- that is terrific! I hope you do not want them to pat you on the shoulder or kiss you, do you? Surely none of us mean any harm to Bush. We just want him out and maybe become a TV personality or something.

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 10:22:12 AM

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Please do not speak for cliff 567 when you say 'none of us' panurg, cliff 567 says "HANG THE TREASONOUS SCUM". Eliminate their gene pool, imprison their friends, confiscate their wealth, piss on the dirt their contaminated ashes are strewn on. Cliff 567 says more that will cause a flag. .. .

by cliff567 (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 165 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 1:59:44 AM

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...and I agree with it. Hatred is self destructive, destroying yourself for Bush's sake is a waste of time, yourself, your emotions, and probably hurtful to all those around 'you' who care about 'you'.....so, not something that progresses any of this towards a solution. Cool heads prevail, Hot heads simply sweat. (Alot!)

by Mr. Robin Parsons (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 64 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 10:59:16 AM

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hatred reflects a passive position anger can motivate us to take action hatred holds us inert in front of faux news shows where the only relief is laughter anger drives us into the streets to protest and make our voices heard if we want to shut down the military industrial congressional complex then we need to take action not sit in front of Stewart/Colbert feeling smug because we get the jokes time to get angry and take action!

by anechoic (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 51 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:12:26 AM

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them or not is entirely secondary. Some people work more effectively when giving full rein to their anger. If your hatred is getting in the way of working to overthrow these monsters, that's a problem; but otherwise, not. Bush is not a "petty tyrant." As an individual, he's a pathetic mediocrity, but the network of social forces he represents is as dangerous as anything the world has ever seen. There is no reason to care what self important fools like Thomas Friedman or Joe Klein think. As figures of the corporate media, they are part of what makes a grotesque phenomenon like Bush possible in the first place.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1552 comments [255 recommended, 5 rejected]) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:12:58 AM

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exactly my thoughts! :)

by anechoic (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 51 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 1:08:33 PM

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We both said the same thing at the exact same minute. You were 32 seconds quicker than I was. :)

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1552 comments [255 recommended, 5 rejected]) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 2:06:16 PM

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Hatred is an expresion that when seen in the likes of Bush, in my guestament 99.99% of the world hates Bush. So if my math is correct .01% fill what this author is trying to preach to be affective. And if the world don't agree with my hatred towards Bush, they can kiss my A** for all I care.

by Fred F (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 361 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 4:06:59 PM

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.. because it's based on a deluded vision of human psychology--we can control our actions by sheer willpower--not always an easy thing to do-- but we cannot control our feelings. I cannot force myself to love somebody I don't love, or suppress normal feelings of hate or anger if someone has done me major damage or grievous bodily harm. Not that I condone hate, it's just a feeling that you can deny or repress but you cannot make it disapear by sheer willpower. If you deny or repress hate, like this article seem to suggest, it will still be there, only it will fester in a dissociated part of your psyche, causing more harm than if you aknowledged it and let it rip. Repressed fellings can also surface through psychosomatic diseases. We have a President who is in deep denial, lying to himself and hiding from himself. Turning us into phoney-nice hypocrits like him is no solution. First thing we can do for ourselves in order to remain mentally sane in those depressing times is to be honest with ourselves and our feelings. Hatred, like all forms of energy, will usually run out of steam after a while anyway.

by francine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 385 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 5:13:03 PM

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The thoughts and interpretations that we have about our experiences dictate the emotions that we will feel about them. So if you genuinely change your beliefs about someone, your feelings will change also. (This is not being a phony-nice hypocrite and suppressing your feelings, but transmuting them.) Two thoughts at the root of hate are an attitude of superior self-righteous judgment (against the person, not their crime) and the belief that the person responsible for the evil actions is a dehumanized monster and not a complex fellow living creature deserving of empathy. Of course we should hate and oppose their actions, but if we can cultivate an attitude of personal humility, and try to see the other as a terribly damaged, weak and poisoned human being, hopefully we can transform our hate into pity -- even as we simultaneously block their actions and demand that they answer to the law for their crimes. It's important that we try to learn to do this, not only to improve our own personal mental health, but because these are the seed beliefs and practices that will blossom into the more highly evolve, enlightened, progressive society that we are struggling to create. If we merely change the structures of society, but seed it with the same old hate-based beliefs, we'll just end up creating another oppressive, toxic society with a different structure.

by my2cents (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 30 comments) on Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:31:42 AM

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Peter, You are very correct. Hate is self-defeating and self-destructive. It contaminates the hater with a virus that is worse than cancer or AIDS and eventually destroys those around them. I did a study on the death penalty years ago. I studied the victim and his/her family, the perpetrator and his/her family. Of the many things I found was just how destructive it was for the victim's family who not could bring themselves to forgive. Many lost jobs, had marriage break ups and were left lonely and isolated. Years later, my study came close to home. My Pastor along with his wife was murdered by two men in his home one night. You might remember one of the murderers names, Aike. There was a knock on the door about 8:00 PM. The fifteen year old daughter answered the door. The two men barged in, the daughter screamed, one of the men hit her on the head with a pistol, her father heard the commotion came down the stairs asking what was going on, one of the men shot him in the head and killing him instantly. The men tied up the mother, the fifteen year old and her fourteen year old brother with electrical cords ripped from table lamps, they proceeded to shoot each of the three twice in the back. The kids watched their mother slowly die before their eyes. One of the children was able to get untied after Aike and his accomplice left them for dead. She somehow freed her brother who was much larger than her, got him into their car and drove them to the nearest hospital fifteen miles away. The children never got over the death of their parents. The son was later elected to the House of Representatives. He sponsored every bill which I considered far right wing from allowing people to carry concealed weapons to mandatory sentences. He and his sister were there for the injections of the murders and did news interviews after they were over. They said they forgave them but all their actions belied their words. Their trouble did not stop with the death of their parents and their murderers. They never found finality. They seem so unhappy to this very day and that was over twenty-five years ago. Compare this to the murder/suicide of the Amish families just last year. It is amazing that Jesus Christ's first words while hanging on the cross were, "Father, forgive them" or the words of Stephen while being stoned to death in the Bible's Book of Acts which were identical to Jesus' words. Thank you for the article. We definitely need more like it.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 5:36:00 PM

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You are asking too much, there are some things and some people that you can not NOT hate. I was born and raised in I ran .I was a part of the revolution and I have seen my share of blood and death. Living in the U.S for so many years I have done my best to incorporate as much of American life style as I could.But some of these beliefs come out of the same religions that I run away from. Some of these Ideas are not just un acceptable ,they are mear illusions .How about a few of them for you "We are all children of the same god ,we should love each other , god loves all of us, do not hate others because you become like them, forgive and forget" and all other goody two shoes ideas which are never practiced. The world is a cruel place which is run by cruel people and it is only through tough struggle of the left that right has bent a little bit. G.W represents military industry complex and oil corporations .I work for the bottom %20 of the population. He hates the poor, I work for the poor. Why should not I hate? I am lucky I live in a democracy and the last election showed that we were right. So why should I give in to what I despise. I have a friend who is getting prepared to go for his third tour of duty. "Why, what for" "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die, how do you ask a man to die for a mistake".

by Abbas Sadeghian, Ph.D. (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 21 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 5:41:41 PM

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"What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Col. William S. Smith, sent from Paris, November 13, 1787.

by cliff567 (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 165 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 2:06:06 AM

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About all one can do in reality is match their feelings to the definition, which I conveniently provide a link to below. I would suggest that it is what we do with our feelings that matters most. Take the energy that you feel, get out and march tomorrow, make phone calls, write letters, for example. No sense being dishonest about it, is there? Definition of hatred

by Daniel Geery (26 articles, 95 quicklinks, 126 diaries, 912 comments [27 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 7:15:43 PM

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Our fellow citizens are being sent to die for a continuous circle of lies, put forth by a select few who seek to benefit not the greater good, not America as a whole, but themselves and their corporate paymasters. And they're doing it all without an ounce of remorse for the blood they're spilling, the hundreds of billions of our tax dollars they're wasting, or the untold number of survivors' lives that have also been destroyed. Anyone who cannot see this is quite simply not looking. What we feel is not hate. It is unquestionably justified anger. It is the most righteous of indignation. The next time some clueless Bush parrot throws the hate card at you, ask them a question: "Who TRULY hates America? Responsible citizens who insist that our Constitution must be adhered to by those who take the oath to preserve, protect and defend it, and insist that those who violate it be punished accordingly, or frauds like George W. Bush, who take the oath, proceed to denounce the Constitution as 'just a goddamned piece of paper' then ignore it and indeed try to rewrite it for their own selfish benefit?"

by John Perry (31 articles, 32 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 81 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 7:15:46 PM

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I'm certainly not one to thump the Bible, but I do believe it to be worth paying attention to, and it says hate the evil, and love the good. You make a good point, but I think it is a natural human emotion to hate evil.

by Mark Petersen (9 articles, 73 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 50 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 8:16:36 PM

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..that Jesus had said "Hate evil" yet when I challenged them to find that in the Bible, they couldn't. Follow the link of the above gentlemans' link to the definition (Of hate - then - look lower) and it references a biblical age meaning that conotates simply 'a lessor form of love' for hate. Anger may motivate you, but when it is ongoing & retained/harboured it becomes hatred...'slow to anger' is Much better cause then you might just, with a cooler head, decide to act prior to starting to hurt yourself from the inside of yourself. In another forum I linked an article from a Medical website that had study result proving Anger was Bad for your Heart. Go in Peace, ACT when it is time to act!...with a cool head

by Mr. Robin Parsons (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 64 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 8:59:03 PM

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...here Physicsmathforums(dot)com Follow the instructions/directions. When the Bible tells you to 'Hate Evil' the evil they are talking about is essentially a Lie. That is how the Devil was characterized as 'a Liar and a Murderer' noting that a 'murderer' is, first and foremost, a LIAR ....as to be able (Self-justify) to commit the murder

by Mr. Robin Parsons (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 64 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 9:21:23 PM

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It was not Jesus who was a Jew that said, "Hate the evil and love the good," but several Jewish prophets in the Tanakh (Old Testament)with the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John in the New Testament: Amos 5:15-- "Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." Psalm 34:14-- "Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it." Psalm 37:27-- "Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore." The Apostle Paul, Romans 12:9, "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." I Thessalonians 5:21-22, 21. "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 22. "Abstain from all appearance of evil." The Apostle John, III John 1:11-- "Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that does good is of God: but he that does evil has not seen God."

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:58:09 PM

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only when it works against us...when it is working for us we turn a blind eye to it

by anechoic (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 51 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:11:10 PM

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I must be a really bad person because I really HATE Cheney and Rumsfeld. For some stupid reason, I don't really HATE Bush, I DETEST him. I really don't care very much for the other Republicans that support the right either. Why do I HATE the administration? Gee, let me think. Because they killed thousands of Americans? Because they killed hundreds of thousands of people that are not Americans? Because they are trying to start a war in Iran that will probably kill millions maybe cause the end of civilization as we know it? Because they have taken what I believed in and protected in the Army for 21 years and what every soldier has died for since the Revolutionary War and flushed it down the toilet, until the constitution is a worthless as a roll of toilet paper and not even good for wiping your ass with? Maybe thats why I hate them. Hate is a great motivator. Without it people sometimes sit inert. In the Army we are taught to hate your enemy. That hate will clear the mind and enable you to put your humanity aside to do what it is that must be done in war. This is not much different. We are very close to losing what Americans have had since the beginning, and that is our freedom. Hate is a useless emotion unless it is harnessed into action. Hating someone or something will kill you unless you find an outlet for it. That is why it is a great motivator. Don't kid yourselves, most of the people that will march tomorrow are marching because they hate what this nation is becoming. We can play with semantics forever, but unless we get up and stop this government's march to absolute power and dictatorship, you are going to find out for yourselves how much you can hate. When you wake up to find you have lost your freedom.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 574 comments) on Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 9:42:10 PM

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So do we connote that the military is an extension of hate in action? If America was founded upon the guise of military action, then isn't America founded upon hate? So much for thinking George Washington our first leader was a nice guy right? So we have airliners crashing into the WTC, and the Pentagon. Some will blame Bush for that, some don't know. What do you think? Did Bush crash planes into the Pentagon, and if he did why? If he didn't doesn't it make sense that we should go to War against all terrorists in the world? Perhaps I missed something about what was the lie! WMD not found? Where did they go? They are probably in Iran. Can anyone here say they couldn't be there? How do you know? All I know is that there is an aweful lot of terror being committed across the world stage and somehow Democrats think doing nothing is going to stop it? Kind of like stopping those murderers who killed the Pastor and his wife. And yet the murderers were caught right? I bet force was used to arrest them...right? I think Bush is reacting as any normal American would, and he is sticking to his decision, that somewhere in the world there needs to someone fighting for justice and put an end to violence and terror. People who do not support Bush and detest him, I would relish to think they have a better plan, than to sit back and let terrorists control the world outside of American shores. Of course I was antiBush for awhile until I left America to see what really goes on in the world. The rule of law is not the same as in America. There is alot of bad things going on, and to think we have a President who is willing to do something about it and stop it, and everyone says no way...I find now quite astonishing. As if you want the terror to continue, because who cares who they are, we are OK and snug as bugs in America right? If anyone is trashing the constitution it is people who will not support the real need in how to stop terrorism. How many wars did Jesus stop? Funny I can't seem to find one in the Bible; although he was an example to how we should be doing good things on earth. If politics means we never have the right to change our opinions in the face of being wrong, I think politics is a manifestation of ignorance. In order to maintain the middle you need to be hanging on with both hands on either side the Right and the Left perspectives. What I want to know is why far left NewsOps like OpEdNews thinks it can get anything done, without pulling the Right hand to create balance in our opinions and views. This is my idea of democracy. I oppose drastic Right and Left, because if we do not treat our Nation as a scale of balance, we lose our ability to govern and determine justice. America needs to be on the forefront to stop terror. Right thinks military action is the answer, and left is for diplomatic solutions. I personally think both should work together, because you are after the same goals, in supporting democracy. I only know that if we both do not change our tunes in bringing back the balance, we can only blame ourselves if things do not get better. I am doing my share, of trying to reach the balance. I have been antiBush, and now I am trying to also support our President. Those of you who point the finger of damnation be warned. You are not supporters of democracy, in fact you are the liars you so testly claim Bush to be. I am disapointed in OpedNews, and Rob wonders why he does not get the contributions he wants. It is because you are not broadminded enough to realize that it is the individual who is supporting the middle that creates cohesion and proper governance. OpEdNews does not convey the thought or has the writers that are willing to support that option. I know; my recent articles that would support Bush are denied publishing here. You all madly hold to the opinion you are right and blast forward your rants, while the people suck it up believing it. I have had my opinions and made remarks about the direction of the country. Yet I have come to understand what I am after. I want a balance. Why don't we honor Native American Indians, and Black Americans more? What is the problem? Perhaps someday you will see the light. All I know is with this type of Left leaning writing all the time OpEd in my opinion is a failure.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:43:13 AM

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You're claiming to be coming from the middle, but the fact that you would speak in support George W. Bush proves one of two things: You are either a far right partisan hack masquerading as a moderate (and quite unconvincingly at that), or you're living in an extremely dangerous fantasy land where you think that bad stuff just goes away on its own if you ignore it long enough. Nobody is denying the existence of terrorism in our world. But you don't fight it by illegally and unnecessarily invading places like Iraq. That only creates more terrorists. Ironically, however, the war is actually going exactly as GWB and the rest of his criminal neocon cabal had planned: Exacerbate the growth of international terrorism, piss off a new generation of terrorists (fathered by the neocons) to the point that they're willing to go all over the world to spread fear and kill anybody and everybody, especially Americans, and ta-da! A ready-made, never-ending, self-sustaining war FOR terrorism, that feeds the military-industrial complex beast in perpetuity. Wake up, man. These cons need to be stopped.

by John Perry (31 articles, 32 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 81 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 7:22:47 AM

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John I am on planet earth. You continually think things bad outside the US is none of our business! You think its OK for Saddam to kill thousands, and we do nothing. You think Saddam could not get the Atomic bomb and deliver over Washington? He was manipulating the Oil for food program to strengthen his forces. We had to to something. Of course innocent people have died, but they were dying anyway at the hands of Saddam. What is better to die by the hands of Saddam and no one do anything, or die knowing although it was an accident at least someone is trying to stop Saddam. It was legal because the President realized we must do something to stop the threat of terror in the world. We waited long enough for Saddam. He was a breeding ground. All I know is that we have won the war in the sense that we have diminished their big gun capabilities. Now they are only hurting themselves by the senseless suicide bombings and domestic violence in Iraq. We need to secure Iraq to educate people. This will take a longer time than finding the WMD that are definitely in Iran. But we need to go forward to help the people. If you think Japan is not grateful today, you are not on planet earth. Couldn't you say that Japan is still occupied? Iraq needs our help, and the sooner we accept that fact the sooner we get over the ideas that we are an occupation force. Clearly we are not. I am trying to come to some valid conclusions about the situation. Hating Bush is not going to solve one single thing. Hating Saddam is not going to solve a single thing. It is understanding what we need to do. Iraqis need education. How do you give them education without getting killed in the process. Hell getting an education in America is hard enough hoping someone doesn't bring a gun to school right? Left bashing Bush is not solving Right bashing us. There needs to be a change that keeps hate at both ends while bringing in the center the middle where balance and justice is accomplished and managed. I think of it like Jesus on the cross. His hands and arms stretch to the left and right. In the middle is his body, his mind, his heart, his sense of reason and love. How can that be wrong? His center is the moderate, the goal, the way. No I am not lying. I am no Bush supporter, but trying to pull him to the center. How is that wrong?

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:53:36 PM

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You see OpEdNews as a left wing tool, I, a lefty, see it as a die hard middle of the road Democratic Party supporter sans realism. Politics is a strange and wondrous place to be, isnt it? I do not have access to the articles you claim have been censored or denied the light of day, nor am I aware of the editorial reasons for this denial. I do abhor censorship and think that the light of day is the very best critic. I will not enter into an argument here about Bush and his policies, there simply isnt the time nor do I intend to hijack this thread, which has evolved into a darn good debate about the value of hatred, which, by the by, I believe to be a distraction and a detriment to progress. I do want this message to be read by you. We see this site in an almost polar opposite fashion, please think hard about the way you judge.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:52:21 AM

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Dom, You left America to find Bush, what a concept. I lived overseas for about 12 of 22 years in the military. I didn't find a reason to become a right wing Bush supporter there. I saw America supporting tyrants who terrorized their own peope in Iran and Chile, I saw foreign policy based on making profits for corporations, and I saw US intelligence agencies commit illegal acts to overthrow the governments of countries with interests that weren't the same as the interests of the power elite in the US. These actions over the last 50 years are a major contributing factor to why radical fundamentist Isalmic people become "terrorists". Bush is evil and a danger to the world, he lied to the American people to justify a war that has made millions for corporate oil companies and Halibuton. He is now attempting to develop a new type of nuclear weapon which he plans on using when his war against terrorism expands to Iran (look up Divine Strake test in Nevada). Don't assume that all agree that this "war on terrorism" is the answer. That is a pretty big assumption on your part, as I see this as a never ending war in which death is the only result. I wouldn't consider your attitudes to be middle of the road as you claim, you sound pretty far to the right to me.

by Dave Peter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:38:50 PM

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David, call me names and what you like. I left the USA because I didn't want to support a War I didn't agree with. I knew my tax dollars would be supporting them. It is something my actions far exceed you so called liberals who bark about ending the war, while you obviously are the people who put the money on the table for it. I also went to a Communist country to make diplomatic efforts to the people here, and show them all Americans are not militaristic. I didn't come here with a gun. I see your so called experience was hiding behind a gun while your service to America! Did that make you feel safe? Well I came here right after 911 not long after the Spy plane landing in Hainan. I live not more than 30 miles away from there. I wanted to make a difference by breaking the animosity factor Americans have over China. I know there is a long way to go in China. Would you call American support to China a bad thing right now? After all aren't they a tyranny to Democracy? Who is "NUTS" here David? I was under the distinct impression that most of our policies were/are done in good faith that if we show by example perhaps the idea of Democracy will be cherished, instead of gunned into society. I think our policies in China today reflect that attitude, and the hope that China will become more of a democracy. Their answer is in Taiwan. The toubles in Iran and Chile, are separate and distinct. Iran like Venezuela nationalized their Oil industry, and stole BP technology and the trend to spread dictatorships throughout the World. All I know is that terror 911 hit my homestate and I am not about standing around allowing it to happen. I support Democrats and I support Republicans, but I will never let one over take the other. I speak positive of Republicans because after being in China I see the huge task at hand, I see how lawlessness against basic human rights is a rampant problem in the world, along with the Environment not being a helping hand to solve those issues. I have been trying to get SugarCityCane to become the solution to our energy needs, so we are not caught in Wars that people claim we are only after their resources, when in fact we only want to keep Oil resources out of the hands of terrorists. Http://www.sugarcitycane.com I think you need to see that your left leaning and no positive right leaning is a detriment to Democracy.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:31:20 AM

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I am not calling you nuts, but your contentions that there is a military solution to stopping things like 9/11 from happening and that supporting the war in Iraq is a moderate or middle of the road position. Tell me to which country's military do the "terrorists" belong? Are you advocating military action against every sovereign nation that has terrorist cells active? Do you propose taking unilateral military action against Saudi Arabia where the terrorists who flew into the World Trade Center came from? Terrorists can be found in most countries of the world including the good old USA. There is no military solution to terrorism, military action just causes more terrorist cells to spring up. I consider China to be a mass exploiter of working class people to gain western dollars and euros, and I find your expetations that Taiwan will bring China democracy to be pretty far fetched. You should just admit that you are a right winger, I have no problem stating I am a leftist as I believe the duty of governments is meet the needs of its people not wage war against non threating third world countries. The billions of dollars being wasted on this unwinable war against Iraq and "terrorist" could be better spent in the US, building up social security, providing health insurance for the uninsured, modernizing our own infrastructure and highway systems, or building low cost housing for the people. The answers to terrorism are complex and military action is not one of them. The US has to quit interfering in the internal affairs of sovereign nations and stop supporting brutal dictators who exploit their people, as this breeds a long remembered grudge against the US.

by Dave Peter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 1:58:34 PM

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I am not calling you nuts, but your contentions that there is a military solution to stopping things like 9/11 from happening and that supporting the war in Iraq is a moderate or middle of the road position. ...Seems to me it has worked. We have not been attacked on American soil since 911. Supporting the War in Iraq is part of the healing process toward bringing America back to its center. Doing nothing and allowing the Left to take hold certainly is not a middle of the road or moderate position either. Thanks for not calling me nuts, but it still sure looks that way to me. Do you like walnuts or peanuts?.... Tell me to which country's military do the "terrorists" belong? Are you advocating military action against every sovereign nation that has terrorist cells active? ...Iran is one, Venezuela is becoming one. I advocate that if a country is killing its own people to maintain power, and doing things that plan to attack the United States they are on the list.... Do you propose taking unilateral military action against Saudi Arabia where the terrorists who flew into the World Trade Center came from? ...We do not know for sure they came from Saudi Arabia. We don't know if they were really on the planes, or if they were terrorists against their own State. BinLadin is from Saudi Arabia but he does not represent its government... Terrorists can be found in most countries of the world including the good old USA. There is no military solution to terrorism, military action just causes more terrorist cells to spring up. ....That is unfortunate and that is why the War on Terror Exists. To bad terrorists don't agree that their actions don't stop legitimate governments who oppose their crimes, and that the more terrorist acts committed only increase the resolve to fight terror at more lethal levels... I consider China to be a mass exploiter of working class people to gain western dollars and euros, and I find your expetations that Taiwan will bring China democracy to be pretty far fetched. ...Well that's your opinion. I know that China is in a tough situation with its huge population. And whether you call it exploitation or something else, poverty is a big issue here. Taiwan is the answer to bringing better days in China when it abandons its Communist agenda. Taiwans leader Chen Shui-bian is on this idiotic course to seek independence, when in fact he should realize that even if he gets his wish, he still has a problem next door and that is communism. In fact the issue is Communism, and he should be seeking political aspirations in China, by convincing them to allow the DPP to be the opposition party on the mainland and to usher in Democracy in China. China's communist party would dissolve their hold and become China's Republic Party. The Republic Party would have much support and people would like them more because they agreed to bring more freedoms into China. More environmental friendly jobs would come, and the division between Taiwan and the mainland would end. They would be unified, but under a new Democratic System/..I find this very possible..... You should just admit that you are a right winger, I have no problem stating I am a leftist as I believe the duty of governments is meet the needs of its people not wage war against non threating third world countries. ...Yeah right! I am about as Right as I am left. I am an American and I believe whoever is the President we owe our support to that Party. Elections decide who wins the White House and how we as a people play our role. Our duty as citizens is to point out and examine policy. We should save our choices at the election booth,..not a 4 year election battle or 8 year election battle. Americans have not learned that they have an obligation to be middle managers in their writings to preserve legitimacy. If we do not we weaken America. Whether views are expressed strictly Pro Right and then Left it matters we hold a balance. Whether you write the moderate article or association perspectives the idea is to balance. I have written both Pro and Left. Now after the elections and the change in Power in the Senate and House, I am focusing on supporting the Right. It is my duty as a citizen... The billions of dollars being wasted on this unwinable war against Iraq and "terrorist" could be better spent in the US, building up social security, providing health insurance for the uninsured, modernizing our own infrastructure and highway systems, or building low cost housing for the people. ...Yeah right the Big American Pig. You have no idea how well off America is in comparison to the rest of the world. You have big Supermarkets, and big fancy Tractor Trailers to haul goods from coast to coast. You have bars, and Restaurants, nice hospitals. You have homes. In China they eat dirt. Think of a Billion more people in America and you have China. You think America is crowded with traffic jams? You have no conception to what alot of people is. And this is only China in its poverty. Not to mention the many more countries in the world living under oppression and squalor.... The answers to terrorism are complex and military action is not one of them. The US has to quit interfering in the internal affairs of sovereign nations and stop supporting brutal dictators who exploit their people, as this breeds a long remembered grudge against the US. ...Well aren't you full of fruitful ideas. Just stand by and watch terrorists gun down the people. I bet if a terrorist came into your home and gunned down your wife and kids, you would instantly become a Right Winger. In fact we support them at first nicely to show we want to help them, and encourage them toward democracy. But they decide to change, like Hugo Chavez, because they like power, and they want to control things while people suffer.Like Saddam who changed and decided to invade Kuwait. Killed innocent people, manipulated the Oil for food program, to get money to begin a rebuilding of his military and sending nuclear secrets to Iran. I will never sit around and let world justice go unchecked. This is my world and yours. Sticking your head in a hollow log is not going to bring happy days to your left ideology. Seek the middle, as weapons slowly fade and aggression disappears, then I will have accomplished reaching the center ...

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 1:54:29 AM

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Dom, you are certainly entitled to your opinions, but never to your own facts,sorry: "Tell me to which country's military do the "terrorists" belong? Are you advocating military action against every sovereign nation that has terrorist cells active? " "...Iran is one, Venezuela is becoming one. I advocate that if a country is killing its own people to maintain power, and doing things that plan to attack the United States they are on the list...." ardee adds some cashews for you.........Iran is a European nation, one every creditable intelligence service says is not building a bomb. Neither they nor Venezuela are killing their own citizens Dom , hello. Amadinajhad campaigned on a platform of populism, was forced by Israeli and US actions towards extremist statements and recent demonstrations in his nation, in which students heckled him from the crowd and were not removed, as was Cindy Sheehan for wearing a tee shirt here, indicate that he is being reined in by the moderates in his nation. Chavez in Venezuela was twice elected by over 60% of the voters there, and those elections, unlike ours, were certified legitimate by the Carter Commission. What proof do you offer for your rather outlandish claims? "Do you propose taking unilateral military action against Saudi Arabia where the terrorists who flew into the World Trade Center came from? " "...We do not know for sure they came from Saudi Arabia. We don't know if they were really on the planes, or if they were terrorists against their own State. BinLadin is from Saudi Arabia but he does not represent its government..." more cashews from ardee...............of the nineteen hijackers on 9/11 sixteen were Saudi citizens. Saudi Arabia is Sunni and is increasingly opposing the Shia rule in Iraq, they are also far, far less democratic than is your buddy Hugo Chavez Frias. "Terrorists can be found in most countries of the world including the good old USA. There is no military solution to terrorism, military action just causes more terrorist cells to spring up." "....That is unfortunate and that is why the War on Terror Exists. To bad terrorists don't agree that their actions don't stop legitimate governments who oppose their crimes, and that the more terrorist acts committed only increase the resolve to fight terror at more lethal levels..." last bit of shell in the bag.......so sad......... The so-called War on Terror, really a war for profit considering that Iraq was a bastion in the Middle East against bin Laden and AlQaeda extremism, oops, now that the lunatic Hussein is hanged we see extremism and violence rampant. Darn those disappearing WMD's, after three years of gore and no glory not a single WMD, not a shred of a document found indicating any such program, not a vestige of an infrastructure to support such claims. Bush lied people died. What freaking war, Dom. Two guys blew up the USS Cole, a couple did the Marine Barracks in Lebanon and nineteen flew those planes into US buildings. So what are we talking here, a couple dozen terrorists, get real. If there are twenty thousand in all, world wide Id be surprised and every action of George Bush simply inf;lames more and more to violence. The real terrorists sit in the Oval Office and laugh at your misplaced patriotism. Dom, You seem a caricature frankly, perhaps you get paid to spew this stuff?

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Wednesday, Jan 31, 2007 at 6:15:29 PM

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Dom, You left America to find Bush, what a concept. I lived overseas for about 12 of 22 years in the military. I didn't find a reason to become a right wing Bush supporter there. I saw America supporting tyrants who terrorized their own peope in Iran and Chile, I saw foreign policy based on making profits for corporations, and I saw US intelligence agencies commit illegal acts to overthrow the governments of countries with interests that weren't the same as the interests of the power elite in the US. These actions over the last 50 years are a major contributing factor to why radical fundamentist Isalmic people become "terrorists". Bush is evil and a danger to the world, he lied to the American people to justify a war that has made millions for corporate oil companies and Halibuton. He is now attempting to develop a new type of nuclear weapon which he plans on using when his war against terrorism expands to Iran (look up Divine Strake test in Nevada). Don't assume that all agree that this "war on terrorism" is the answer. That is a pretty big assumption on your part, as I see this as a never ending war in which death is the only result. I wouldn't consider your attitudes to be middle of the road as you claim, you sound pretty far to the right to me.

by Dave Peter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:38:58 PM

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Panurg has it right! Though I do hate Bush and his unholy cabal, that is not the reason I want him and his entire crew impeached, removed from office and, at least, publicly humiliated if not prosecuted. Even though Churchill and Stalin were both in favor of simply taking the upper echelon of the Nazi power structure out in the courtyard and summarily executed, Robert Jackson enunciated the real purpose of the Nuremburg proceedings; it was to bring the evidence of their misdeeds to light and showing that civilized societies cannot long endure if they continence such illegal and immoral behaviors. The neocon/neolib cabal has caused such inordinante destruction of the social fabric that they MUST be brought to account. Bush and his minions HAVE played fast and loose with every Constitutional safeguard that, to not impeach at this time, would be a positive affirmation to any ensuing regime. Hate has nothing to do with it. Certainly, the manner in which this particular cabal has exercised its power is unconscionable, however, to avoid facing this four square and repudiating it would simply allow the next group of soulless power seekers, neocon or neolib, to believe that they can get away with it. Certainly, it is NOT beyond the pale to hate exploitation and overt corruption! However, to meekly accept such and to 'make nice' simply encourages the repetition of this behavior! One may well hate the miscreant AS WELL AS their deeds!

by Putnik (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 32 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 3:19:38 AM

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The Democrats who conceded to him, one, Al Gore, claiming ignorance of who he was and what his administration would do to our country, even thought everyone else understood how Bush would rule from his record as Governor of Texas, and one, John Kerry, who had, as a Senator, four long years to observe the Bush administration up close and personal, and apparently still hadn't figured it out. But even just becoming President wasn't enough to enable Bush to carry out his agenda. He needed Democrats to vote for everything he wanted, to confirm his nominees, and to be complicit in everything that he did. He still needs them to continue funding his war and to protect him from impeachment, which they have pledged to do. Hate isn't very nice. Just because somebody has bankrupted your country, authorized crimes against humanity, and been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, doesn't mean that you should hate him. Impeach him, send him for trial at The Hague, and have him executed, but save your hate for his collaborators, the people who voted for his agenda and budgeted your tax dollars for torture and war-profiteering. And stop letting them blame Ralph Nader. Ralph Nader wasn't on the ballot in '06, so he couldn't have forced the Democrats to take impeachment off the table and vow to continue funding the war, despite the fact that 87% of Americans want impeachment, and a similar number oppose the war. The real reason the Democrats hate Nader is because he opposed the war and they didn't, he fought for the environment and to stop global warming and they didn't, he has always fought for the rights of workers and consumers, and they haven't. I've been on Democratic cheerleader sites and I've seen the hatred and vitriol they spew whenever Nader's name is mentioned. If it is okay for them to hate the man who singlehandly gave them all the environmental, workplace, and consumer protections they ever had, then why isn't it okay for me to hate the people who conceded to Bush, voted for everything he wanted, and continue to protect him? The Democrats can't impeach Bush because there isn't a high crime or misdemeanor that he has committed that they didn't vote for. And Ralph Nader didn't force them to vote for or against anything, they did it all by themselves. And if Gore had been President, he and his running mate, Bush supporter Joe Lieberman, would probably have done the same things that Bush did if the big corporations and the military-industrial complex told them to. When Gore promises to do something about global warming, you can take it to the bank, the same way you banked Kerry's promise to ensure that all our votes were counted. They're wealthy elite Washington insider politicians, and whether you love them or hate them, they feel much more comfortable around people of their same social class, like Bush, than around people like you.

by Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 7:59:02 AM

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I can certainly understand why some commenters are reserving their right to hate Bush, Cheney and/or the entire Republican party. I guess there nothing quite like being told how we should feel or, even worse, how we do feel to really piss us off. At least some of us. It's a part of human nature to react that way. It is probably even more anger-making these days, as we all have experienced stunning attempts at manipulation of our emotions and thoughts, over the last few years. It is difficult in the extreme not not feel the bile rising when Ann Coulter goes on one of her endless diatribes, or Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Republican officials on the House or Senate floor, Neocon pundits, etc. etc., who viciously attack anyone and everyone who is even slightly to the left of Attila the Hun. Whoever said that the wing-nuts will accuse us of hating Bush and/or Cheney, whether we do or not actually hate Bush or anyone, for that matter, is right. Is there any accusation that hasn't been leveled against us? Hell, just now, we are being accused of being the cause of 9/11, and it isn't the first time that accusation has been made. What's next? Cannibalism? Sacrificing infants to Volcanoes? Mots of what the wing-nuts, of all stripes, say about "the left," is pure poppycock and it does not take long to determine that it is. But they are right about one thing. Some people do hate and despise both Bush and Cheney. They do so with good reason. Bush, Cheney and others have done things that certainly deserve the people's ire, here and abroad. Nevertheless, I must agree with the author of the article. Hatred rots the heart, without which we are imbalanced, thus adversely affecting our thinking and ability to act efficiently in reaching our goals. Gandhi once said that there is no truth in passion. He was right. While passion can act as a major motivator, it has no truth in it. Hitler was passionate in his hatred for the Jews and the Communists. Believing his passions to be truth, he acted on them in ways that still horrify the civilized world. Truth arises for us as we seek to understand situations and problems in such a way that leads to solutions. I know I have never seen hatred solve one problem, nor have I seen it ever lead to understanding of anything, let alone wisdom. People are capable of very strong and forceful action without hatred and toxic anger as their guiding energy. I'm sure as hell not capable of never getting angry; ranting and raving like a mad-person, and do not wish to be talked down right away. Oh yeah, righteous rage feels damned good sometimes. So does drinking a bottle of wine, but I learned long ago that acting under the influence of either is not in my best interest, nor the best interest of my cause, whatever that may be. I have no desire to see Bush, Cheney and company impeached and tried because I hate them, but because I love this country and I believe they must be held accountable by the people of this country, one way or another, if there is to be any hope of our nation survival, as the empire we never wanted, starts to collapse. In the past, we have been much too eager to forgive our leaders before there has been any real accountability for their crimes. It doesn't take a mental giant to see what that has done. It has lead to us to where we are today. There simply must be accountability this time. I believe, however, that we are much more likely to see that happen, if we can keep from becoming a lynch mob. Aged adrenalin is really stupid juice. It is quite toxic to our hearts and minds, even our bodies. I know of where I speak. It took me forty years to figure what my own anger and hatred was doing to me, not to mention those around me. That was 18 years ago. My world view has changed since then, but I must confess to relapses on occasion, in the last 4 years. They do not last long, as I have come to a point where righteous rage no longer feels good. It just gives me a headache and back pain.

by wintefire6 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 89 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:45:46 AM

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hate tends towards immobilization anger tends towards action if you want to change things channel your anger into action but hatred is reactionary breeds inertness and stupidity let your intelligence lead you not your emotions

by anechoic (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 51 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:19:49 PM

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It is hate for people and not the things they do that will end up causing the first nuclear weapon to be detonated in a city during the past sixty-two years. Just keep hating. It is a contagion no man can cure. Hate objectifies. Hates turns neighbors into things or its and not real people. Hate never sees an I and you relationship. It is always I or we and they. The greediness of the leaders using the hatred of the populace is where all wars begin. Hate is a real, but it can never be a good. Why do you think the Shiites in Iraq are doing what they are doing to the Sunnis? Why do you think the Sunnis are doing to the Shiites what they are doing? After all US and coalition forces pull out, what do you think will happen to the Sunnis if the Shiites win this civil war? The same thing that will happen to the Shiites if the Sunnis win the war. The evil that the US did in invading Iraq did not produce this irrational hatred which will result in the destruction of one when the other finally wins. Hate diminishes us until we are smaller than a speck. It is things such as truth, hope, justice, and love that enlarges us and makes us more than we are. You live in your little world of hate. You will live in by yourself and you will die a lonely life. I think it was Arnee who said it best, "We don't wish Bush physical harm, We just want him out of office and power." Yes, to just go away. Go back to his Texas ranch and catch gophers.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 4:05:06 PM

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I try to concentrate on hating the actions and what is said, than the person. I am not always successful, particularly with Bush and Cheney.

by Steven Leser (255 articles, 58 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 2147 comments [63 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 4:50:23 PM

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Maybe you should consider sending him a Valentine's day card with your greetings on it telling him what a great job he has done. Hey maybe he will stop by for dinner and a movie. LOL Get real, Charley Manson's is probably one of Bush's favorite idol's along with Hitler, Saddam, and numerous other war criminals.

by Fred F (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 361 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:20:04 PM

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"When every star in the heavens grows cold, And when silence lies once more on the face of the deep, three things will endure: Faith, Hope and Love. And the greatest of these is love." First Corinthians Chapter 13 "Oh see you not yon narrow road So beset with thorns and briars? That is the path of righteousness Though after it few enquire." Irish folks song "Conduct yourself in the sure knowledge that death comes to all men born. Be composed, accordingly, in the face of adversity." Guy Gavriel Kay The Last Light of the Sun "For to accuse requires less eloquence, such is man's nature, than to excuse; And condemnation, than absolution, more resembles justice." Hobbes Leviathan "If they can convince you of absurdities they can coerce you into atrocities." Voltaire Last one I promise..... "The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil it multiplies it. Through violence you reorder the hater; but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate.....Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darknes cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King Jr.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 10:00:11 AM

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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction... The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars -- must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the darkness of annihilation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "As you press on for justice, be sure to move with dignity and discipline, using only the weapon of love. Let no man pull you so low as to hate him. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am convinced that love is the most durable power in the world. It is not an expression of impractical idealism, but of practical realism. Far from being the pious injunction of a Utopian dreamer, love is an absolute necessity for the survival of our civilization. To return hate for hate does nothing but intensify the existence of evil in the universe. Someone must have sense enough and religion enough to cut off the chain of hate and evil, and this can only be done through love. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

by my2cents (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 30 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:43:30 PM

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What is the correct emotion to feel when confronted with a mass murderer? What is the correct emotion to feel when faced with a person who has his finger on the button to launch nuclear weapons capable of ending the world and actually is not afraid to use them. What is the correct emotion to feel when the man in charge alows a major American city to be devasted in the aftermath of a hurricane while spending billions of dollars for a personal agenda. Tell me what emotion should the families of over 3,000 young GIs feel when they see the futility of the cause their sons, daughters, mothers, father, brothers and sisters died for. What should the Iraqi's feel when their countries infrastructure was destroyed by the most powerful military force in the world and tens of thousands of their neighbots and family members have died and their country is in the middle of bloody religious and political civil war as a result. Is hate not a valid emotional response to someone who stole two elections to set his personal agenda for death and destruction overseas and a turn towards fascism at home? Tell me doctor how should I feel about Bush, and his puppet master Cheney.

by Dave Peter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:22:33 PM

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Try pity. HATE THE ACTION, but not the actor. Oppose and block the action with all your will. Restrain and disarm the actor, make him answer to the law for his actions, put him away somewhere where he can no longer hurt others.

by my2cents (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 30 comments) on Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 1:00:08 AM

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Jesus.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 7:29:37 AM

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Sorry for posting twice here, but I just came across this in The Economist, December 23, 2006, in a special section on the human brain, as subtitled in the above subject line: "...Tor Wager, of Columbia University... gathered together every fmri (functional magnetic-resonance imaging) that he can lay his hands on--a total of some 150--and performed what statisticians call a meta-analysis... Most neuroscientists now recognise six basic emotions: anger, disgust, fear, joy, sadness and surprise. Dr. Wager's map [of emotions in the brain] is a neat illustration of how fmri can be used to see the lnks between different parts of the brain that are involved in a single process." When GB got into office (each time), I felt anger, fear, disgust, and, later, sadness. Both in the studies and in my experience, "hatred" did not actually appear.

by Daniel Geery (26 articles, 95 quicklinks, 126 diaries, 912 comments [27 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 10:10:28 AM

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'That heart will not learn to love If younder is too tired to hate' N. Nekrasov 'And real hate starts from love' R. Rozdestvensky How about them apples?

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 9:22:38 AM

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