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November 19, 2007 at 10:27:41

Nelson Mandela chose to forgive: Why can't we forgive Don Imus?

by Mary MacElveen     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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I suppose that I could write of a million items, well not really maybe a few, but today I chose to write a responsorial column after reading  Alternet.org’s column concerning the return of Don Imus chastising those who are now coming out from the shadows to appear on his show.

 

As we all know, pressure was brought to bear on Don Imus which led to his firing from both MSNBC and CBS for his comments of the Rutgers Women’s basketball team for calling them a bunch of “nappy headed hos’” Most of this pressure came from Al Sharpton who is far from being an angel especially since he was the voice of Twana Brawley who alleged that she was raped by six white men some of them police officers from Wappingers Falls, New York.  According to Wikipedia, “There were no indictments in an investigation conducted by a grand jury in October 1988, which cited a lack of evidence, concluding she had not been abducted, assaulted, raped or sodomized.” Also reported by Wikipedia, “She later told others that there had been no rape, only other kinds of sexual abuse. Forensic tests found no evidence that a sexual assault of any kind had occurred.”

 

Given the fact there was no case, where was the apology coming from Al Sharpton towards those falsely accused? There was none.  Yet, he made damn sure that Don Imus apologize over and over when it came to his comments made on-air which I did write about in a previous column.  In that column, I compared Don Imus to Ann Coulter and wrote, "Exactly where was the wall-to-wall coverage showing any public outrage to her statement? It was no where to be seen.  No one treated her as a pariah as is being done with Imus." The statement made by Coulter was when she called the Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards a “faggot”

 

I liken the Twana Brawley case to the Duke University case in which three lacrosse players were vindicated after a false rape charge was filed against them by an overzealous DA, Mike Nifong who has since been disbarred for “dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation," This did not only affect the lacrosse team members falsely charged but resulted in the resignation of their coach Mike Pressler.  It caused the cancellation of the team’s 2006 season.  The three young men have since gone on to other universities, but their lives have forever been smeared and I call that unfair especially given the fact no proof of this attack happened.

 

In Alternet.org’s column they use former President Bill Clinton as an example when they wrote of James Carville “who had the temerity to compare the travails of Imus to those of his former boss Bill Clinton.” Carville had this to say, "I think I've had some history of defending friends of mine that have been in uncomfortable circumstances," Carville told the Observer. "I defend the speaker, not the speech. If there's no redemption, what are we here for?"

 

Now that is a good question coming from Carville especially when CNN reported, “The Rutgers University women's basketball coach said Friday her players have accepted radio host Don Imus' apology for racist and sexist comments toward the team and they are "in the process of forgiving." They were the ones affected by these comments coming from Don Imus and if they saw fit to accept his apology; why can’t the rest of America?  They were the injured parties here.  Yet, they had the grace to accept it.  Where is our grace? Again, I cite; did Sharpton ever apologize to those men affected in the Twana Brawley case?

 

In writing this column and doing research on him, I have not seen the same level of attacks brought to bear on pundits like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh and yet Coulter is still invited on several programs for her hateful speech.  Rush Limbaugh still has an audience of millions, yet no force has been present to force him off the air and exact an apology.  Also in the case of Coulter, she had this to say of these 9/11 widows, “These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's death so much." She has never seen fit to apologize for that remark.  These widows have felt the pain that many cannot even conceptualize.  I am left to ask; why are some held to a higher standard such as Don Imus?

 

Where is the apology coming from Coulter to John Edwards when About.com reported this wonderful quote coming from her “If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot." Quite frankly since he is running for president; shouldn’t the Secret Service be looking into her? No, she is left to spew her venom.  Let us also remember that John Edwards has children and should some whack-job follow her words, they would be left without a father.  Let us remember that his wife still has cancer, and is fighting it.  How come no one and I mean no one is sticking up for the Edwards family demanding an apology coming from Ann Coulter?  How come every show including Hardball will have her on as a guest?

 

I would like to challenge the Reverend Al Sharpton to demand an apology from Ann Coulter as a representative of the Edwards family.  Why isn’t he demanding of stations around this country not to invite her on?  As for Ann Coulter, I have never taken part in any boycott of her since I believe in the First Amendment, yet her words go unchallenged in which stations will continually have her on as a guest.  NBC was a part of firing Don Imus, yet Coulter has been seen also on The Today Show being interviewed by Matt Lauer.  I find that to be hypocritical of NBC.

 

In a column written shortly after she appeared at a local bookstore here on Long Island, I wrote this column, We must decide who stays on air through the power of the purse and contained within that article is a picture of supporters of Ann Coulter reacting to Huntington Town Councilman, Mark Cuthbertson who made a speech denouncing statements made in the book. This book was Coulter’s “Godless: The Church of Liberalism” In fact at that book signing she tore up a letter written by Councilman Cutherbertson demanding an apology come from Coulter towards the widows of 9/11.  Please take a look at their faces.  When I first viewed them, I was abhorred since Long Island is my community and we are not that far from Ground Zero.  I saw absolutely no compassion only acceptance of Coulter’s hateful prose.

Case in point of the disparity between Coulter and Imus is when RawStory wrote this of Coulter, “The word raghead -- whose only function is to denigrate -- seems as legitimately offensive to Muslims as Imus' utterance was to blacks. The difference is that Coulter didn't apologize." She has continually called Muslims “ragheads”.

 

Don Imus has done his penance and has done so publicly and if the Rutgers Women’s basketball team can see fit to accept his apology with the utmost grace; shouldn’t we be big enough to allow him to come back on-air?  While I reviled those comments coming from Imus any person of faith should be big enough to move on. 

 

I will leave you with this quote coming from Nelson Mandela who stated upon leaving office, “South Africans must recall the terrible past so that we can deal with it, forgiving where forgiveness is necessary but never forgetting" Let us remember how many years he was locked away in a South African prison during its most heinous time called Apartheid.  If that was his lesson to his citizens; shouldn’t we as Americans do the same when it comes to Don Imus?

 

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Dana PicoEditor of Common Sense Political Thought, mostly Republican (but not always), mostly conservative (but again, not always), always interesting.

There was a lot of condemnation . . .

.  .  . of Ann Coulter's "faggot" remark concerning John Edwards, and a good amount of it came from the right.  That might be why less was made of it: since her remarks were condemned by both sides, and since she has a history of using the bomb-throwing remarks (especially when she has a book to sell), it simply wasn't really news.

Miss Coulter's column had previously been dropped by several newspapers and magazines.  There was nothing that was going to happen to her that hadn't already happened. 

 

by Dana Pico (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 142 comments) on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 11:40:42 AM
 


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Mary,

Let's not confuse forgiveness with holding one accountable for their actions.  The two do not have to be exclusive of one another.

Perpetuating hate and fostering ignorance is something that must be dealt with.  In a society that appears to be increasingly intolerant, to simply say that one has paid the price (are we talking in $$$ terms?) and therefore, must have the soiled slate wiped clean, is not good enough. 

Let's try to forgive those who have done hurtful acts or have been complicit, all the while holding them accountable for these unacceptable actions. 

 

by Jan Baumgartner (52 articles, 136 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 249 comments) on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 12:00:13 PM
 


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W.M.L.Undergraduate degree in political science and philosophy: summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa; with postgraduate work in political economics. Postgraduate degree is a juris doctorate. I am a voracious reader and, although I make no claim to expertise, have self studied in logic, linguistics, theology, theoretical physics, macroeconomics, technical and fundamental market analysis, world history, and many other subjects, which I believed at the time helped explain the world around me.

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THE AGE OF INTOLERANCE

Imus was both anti-Bush and against the Iraqi war. This answers Mary's question of why Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter can get away with repeatedly saying far worse things than Imus and not losing completely their public persona. The progressives of this era believe they are the most tolerant movement America has produced. Yet, their abolute intolerance of any breach of tolerance prevents the formation of coalitions that could save this country in its moment of great crisis. The United States has probably never faced such bleak a future as now it does. Every core right of its citizens has been abridged at the instigation of the President, but with the consent of the Congress. We stand at the precipice of fully developed fascism, with Bill O'Reilly, Brit Hume, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, G. Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, and Mark Levin daily promoting hatred of the "far left," as they term it, which was once called the center. In chorus are the fraudulent christians such as Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson that spew forth their toxic "pretribulation rapture" version of the Gospel that condones and promotes any actions that would hasten WWIII so that true believers would be magically removed from harm and Israel surrounded and attacked, and the rest of us left upon a poison planet to suffer the tribulation for our flawed reasoning.

Against this onslaught progressives had a single national voice: Don Imus. Yes, he was deeply flawed, like King David. Yes, he sinned and atoned for that sin. But he was heard all across the land by the same listeners as heard the ugly voices of facism, and his voice said no to Bush's war, and his voice called the Bush cabal a bunch of clowns in the White House.

Before there can be democracy, there must be liberty. And every tenet of liberty as the Western world has know it for hundreds of years has been taken from the American people. Liberty must be first won back before anything else. Whoever stands for liberty, stands with me. For now, the old maxim applies: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hence, I cannot wait for the day Imus is back on the national scene, unless he has been scared into submission. I look toward the day when socialists and libertarians are allies unto liberty. I look toward the day when we are truly tolerant. For it will take true tolerance to win back our liberties lost; new alliances forged to restore our stolen legacy.

 

by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 327 comments) on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 3:09:51 PM
 


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EsbeJay Esbe is a writer with a background in cultural anthropology and comparative religion and lives in Seattle Washington.

I forgive him.

I forgive him.  He's a total fucking idiot, he can't help it.  But I can't and won't forgive MSNBC for their stupidity in putting this self-inflated brain-dead bozo on the air in the first place, and then  their gutless hypocrisy for firing him.   Don Imus simply shouldn't have arisen as anything other than a gas pump jocky IMO. No offense to gas pump jockies intended.

by Esbe (50 articles, 0 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 85 comments) on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 4:38:49 PM
 


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Steven,

you put it far better than I - it is not up to us to decide the fate of Don Imus, rather, it is the decision of the African American community.  For whites to make such a decision, or to think that we are entitled to the decision making process, is just another perpetuation of our presumed superiority.

by Jan Baumgartner (52 articles, 136 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 249 comments) on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 5:14:59 PM
 


I teach English composition to freshman and sophomore college students.
Dafna Ben-AnathI teach English composition to freshman and sophomore college students.

Don Imus

I have a simple question to those who were outraged by Imus – are you as outraged by rappers and rap moguls such as Russell Simmons, Snoop Dog, etal., BET and music execs who have accumulated billions of dollars by denigrating the women of their own community? Did they apologize to the women of their community, or did I miss something? I’m still waiting for Sharpton to organize a boycott of the advertisers who sponsor misogynistic videos on BET and rap lyrics on the radio’s public airwaves. “Protests” and “marches” now and again will not suffice, nor will “recommendations” by Russell Simmons to refrain from such language. Why don’t you demand the immediate firing of these rappers and executives? Why don’t you shut down Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock and other comedians? Why don’t you demand the firing of Isiah Thomas? The self-righteous holier than thou hypocrisy is staggering!
I don’t want to live in a sanitized society in which every utterance is scrutinized and is “approved” or “disapproved”. I would rather be offended than have a self-appointed thought police determine what I can and cannot listen to or what should or should not offend me. Who appointed Sharpton and the NABJ or anyone else as the thought police and arbiters of virtuous radio behavior? This is straight out of the former Soviet Union’s propaganda machine. Or, perhaps you are ignorant of the history of totalitarian governments – so-called “offensive” remarks, and off to the re-education camp you go! From my perspective and as a feminist and female listener, the feminists of yesteryear propelled us to positions of unimagined strength and power. But, thanks to the new generation of NOW and its PC cohorts, today’s generation has transformed us into whining victims in need of protection, lacking the spine to laugh at ourselves and laugh off tasteless and poorly conceived humor, or at least, to dish it right back. Perhaps that explains Justice Kennedy on the Supreme Court when he wrote that women need to be protected from themselves because they don’t always realize the consequences of their actions. Where was NOW on this issue? This is how “untold” numbers of women are hurt because of actual legal policy, not because some idiot on the radio makes a stupid joke.
 If you don’t find that Imus has anything of value to offer, that is your prerogative but such an opinion is irrelevant. Yes, you have a right to voice criticism and argue against the show, but you have no right not to be offended. you have no right to impose your sensibilities on others. Likewise,others do not have a right to compel you to listen to a broadcast that does not interest or appeal to you. If one believes in a free society, no speech should ever be suppressed or censured by whatever pressure group of the month — if you don’t like it, argue against it or turn it off. Network television generally insults my intelligence, but I have no right to demand a shutdown of the inane stupidities that are broadcast on a daily basis.
Yes, the joke about the Rutgers team was insulting, but given the context of the show which has always been an eclectic unpredictable mix of satire, juvenile comedy and serious politics, the humor was not malicious in its intent, and certainly not “reprehensible”,“despicable”,“ speech”, and other hyperbolic characterizations. The likes of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Neil Boorz, and others spew racist content as serious ideology on a regular basis. I believe it was Neil Boorz and Glen Beck who described the victims of Katrina as thugs, thieves and hoodlums deserving of their fate – and they were not kidding. I don’t recall anyone clamoring for their immediate dismissal. And I would not support their dismissal from the air – I would rather argue against them.
The “market” did not fire Don Imus since we, the listeners/consumers are the market, and Capus and Moonves did not consult with us. It is a mind-boggling disgrace that such craven “executives” caved into a group of employees when making a business decision, rather than considering the actual consumers/listeners who buy pay their salaries by tuning in and buying the advertised products.
 

by Dafna Ben-Anath (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 9:32:09 PM
 


I am concerned about the intentions of our elected leaders.
Stephen HartI am concerned about the intentions of our elected leaders.

What a huge non-issue.

The networks fired Don Imus because they were feeling financial pressures to let him go. There were two sides to this equation - too many people wanted him gone, and not enough people wanted him to stay. That is pretty much the way it should work.

I for one was happy to see him go - I believe his casual bigotry against people feeds into the worst sort of behavior, which will occur anywhere that people gather. The perpetrators of this behavior will likely be even less subtle than Imus, and their targets will often be in earshot.

Imagine if you were crippled, deformed, mentally challenged, of an ethnic or religious minority, overweight, or simply ugly. Then imagine that the taunts and jibes you thought you left behind in gradeschool were suddenly considered clever water-cooler conversation at your place of work. Would you be inclined to forgive someone who instigated the change? I am sure Imus has an index card taped to his console now reading something like this: NO RACE, NO RELIGION, NO ETHNICITY. But his sort of cruel humor requires victims nonetheless.

Here is the simple explanation for the others you cite. Limbaugh's and Coulter's bigoted comments are collateral to their express purpose - attacking Democrats, for which they each have a large following. There is nothing casual about their hate speech. Sharpton's tendency to premature judgement also has a large constituency - people who look under every rock for white conspiracies against blacks. I would like to see all of them lose their access the media, but that's not how it works. Each is inoculated by a large constituency willing to forgive them anything at all, as long as they maintain their focus on their respective prize.

I'm not sure what sort of forgiveness you are asking for. Imus apologized when it became apparent that he was likely to be fired (if I recall correctly, he blamed his comment on rappers first). So OK; I forgive him. But I don't plan to listen to him.

by Stephen Hart (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments) on Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 2:09:55 PM
 

 

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