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February 23, 2008 at 18:14:03

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms

by Marti Oakley     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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As a person who tends to lean more to the left on most issues, I have to draw the line in the sand when it comes to the 2nd Amendment to our Bill of Rights.  This one amendment, more than any other signifies our freedom.  This is the marker that separates us from other countries and societies.  We have the freedom and the right to keep and bear arms. We have the right to defend ourselves…..even from our own government. 

The repeated calls for repealing the 2nd Amendment, or efforts to diminish its intent, usually come after yet another disturbing incident that was allowed to go totally out of control, and then incessantly broadcast by what is supposed to be our news sources until we reach a point of saturation.  This is quickly followed by calls for disarming American’s. 

Let’s make one thing perfectly clear here; If someone is intent on killing you or several of you, not having a gun will not stop them.  People are poisoned, stabbed, strangled, beaten to death, set on fire and die from multiple causes inflicted by another individual every day of the week.  This is not because American’s have the right to own guns.  

I find it odd that more people die each year from drunk drivers than from gun   incidents.  Yet no one calls for another prohibition.  There are no passionate pleas to ban alcohol; no diatribes on how alcohol consumption is killing innocent people.  Besides, this might infringe on YOUR rights. 

The right to keep and bear arms is not the cause of rampage killings. It’s the individual who decided to kill other human beings who is the cause.  A gun can kill no one until an individual picks it up and uses it.  Just like knives can’t stab anyone unless someone picks them up and uses them as a weapon.  In a fatal car crash resulting from drunk driving……who or what is at fault; the vehicle or the driver?   

The flaw in all the arguments for banning private gun ownership is that somehow by taking away this right, everything will be just peachy.  It won’t be.  The same individuals who are intent on inflicting injury or death to others will simply find some other means of getting the job done.  People are the real threat……not the weapons they choose.  Taking away the right to own guns does not and will not reduce that threat.   

When the Bill of Rights was assembled, the second most important issue to the founders was this right to keep and bear arms.  Of all the other rights enumerated, this was paramount in establishing a free society.  They also knew that it is only when government has worked secretly against its own people they become afraid of them and seek to disarm them.   

The 2nd Amendment is the lynchpin of our freedom.  As a nation we identify ourselves as free people by virtue of the fact that we can keep and bear arms if we choose to.  And it is exactly this reason that so many want to see it repealed.  The loss of this right would be psychologically devastating as so many would see it for what it is…..the true end of our freedom.   

Right now the major source for attacks on the 2nd Amendment, are being directed through the United Nations.  Yesterday, Senator Obama put a bill on the floor of the senate called the Global Poverty Act.  This act would mandate not only a 7% tax on our GDP, but also calls for the banning of small arms.  Small arms and weapons includes, hunting rifles and shotguns, not just handguns.  

Attacks on the 2nd Amendment have come from all quarters.  The efforts to paint it as “all liberals want to ban guns, and all conservatives don’t” is just more staging.  The fact is, our government wants us disarmed; its just that no one wants to be seen as the perpetrator of this unconstitutional infringement on our rights.   

Using the UN to implement the disarming of America also makes us vulnerable to international law as opposed to our own sovereign laws.  International law does not recognize the right of the individual to defend himself, claiming that to do so is a crime in its self.   The UN also claims that this ban is necessary to protect women and children, and those who wish to commit suicide. 

This would be the same UN that sits by idly while hundreds of thousands die as a result of genocide.  Where are there concerns about women and children and the suicidal then?  While the UN twiddled its thumbs, nearly 500.000 Rwandan’s were clubbed or hacked to death with machete’s and knives.  For some unknown reason the UN has not called for the banning of either machete’s or clubs, or even for large knives.   

The real aim of the Global Poverty Act and its intent to disarm America is to make sure that we have no way to fight back against the planned overthrow of our Republic.  And as Americans, we most likely would. For those who disagree with this, don’t worry about it.  Once the North American Union is established we won’t have any rights at all, much less the 2nd Amendment.  One of the first things that will be done after the merger is complete is to abolish the bill of rights and then to disarm the public….. leaving you completely at the mercy of the military and local law enforcement.   

I live in central Minnesota which has a heavy Democrat base.  In all the speaking I do to groups on various subjects, the issue of gun control invariably comes up.  No one that I have come in contact with supports gun control or bans.  The idea that “liberals” across the board are in total support of this gross infringement on our Bill of Rights is one of those carefully constructed arguments intended to divide us.  It is our government collectively that wants us disarmed, comprised of Democrats and Republicans alike.  

I am one liberal for sure who will not support any form of gun control or ban, and especially not coming from the UN. 

Marti Oakley         Copyright 2008  

 

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How to get right wingers to be for gun control

Do you really want to get the right wingers to go along with gun control? Give them to liberals and minorities!

by Ralph R. Zerbonia (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2 comments) on Saturday, February 23, 2008 at 7:46:16 PM
 


Defending those who defend those who can not defend themselves, and exposing those whose offenses are indefensible...
Dan AlbaDefending those who defend those who can not defend themselves, and exposing those whose offenses are indefensible...

Brilliant Argument, Marti

You're particularly spot-on regarding the UN's dubious role in "preventative" disarmament.

The ones benefiting from gun laws are the underground market, the lobbyist, the politician, and the funeral director—few else.

by Dan Alba (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 48 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 4:22:30 AM
 


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PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

The Right of the People . . .

Too much of this argument has focused on the second amendment. The preamble of this amendment (a well regulated militia being necessary...) makes its meaning a bit ambiguous now that we have abandoned the founders vision of a citizen's militia in favor supporting both a professional and a mercinary army.

Better guidance can be found in the ninth amendment and in the preamble of the constitution. The notion that the founders had was that all rights belong to the people but that they allow some of their rights to be infringed for the sake of forming a government to both protect them and to promote the general welfare.

The constitution was intended to enumerate all of the ways that government is allowed to infringe on the inalienable rights of the people. I really don't find anything specific in the constitution that allows the government to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms and this seems to me to be a pretty good argument that the government should stay out of this area.

On the other hand, the duty of the government to protect the people and to promote the general welfare can and has been interpreted to allow government intrusion in many areas not specifically enumerated in the constitution. Few would argue that children have the right to keep and bear arms or even that adults have the right to keep and bear nuclear arms. There are limits and the question is where exactly those limits lie. Setting these limits is where the Supreme Court comes in, a sorry thought given the current makeup of that court.

by PrMaine (7 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 225 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 8:34:50 AM
 


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2nd Amendment

The second amendment ends with ...this right of the PEOPLE shall not be infringed". 

Subsequent comments by the writers of the bill of rights makes it very clear that "a well ordered militia" was in addition to the right of every man to own his own gun. 

How this gets extrapolated into nuclear weapons is unclear to me. 

The entire point of the 2nd was to make sure that the general public could defend itself from those who would harm them......enemies both foreign and domestic. 

 

 

by Marti Oakley (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 52 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 1:13:55 PM
 


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The right to bear arms...

is the right to be complacent and stupid.  When people have faith in guns it is not much different than haveing faith in the Easter bunny.  When it gets to the point where you have to have a gun to protect you, you have lost the battle.

As a liberal, I don't care if people have guns.  What I do care about is that gun owners can't take their thumb out of their mouths 

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 772 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 11:21:50 AM
 


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Not a valid argument

Arguing that if one needs to use a gun to defend oneself, then the battle is lost, is invalid. I will give an example from personal experience. When I first moved to Oregon, I moved onto a very remote piece of land in the middle of the woods. I kept a gun on me at all times to fend off wild animals of both the four-footed and two-footed variety. I guarantee that if attacked by either, I would use the gun. Basic survival. According to your argument, if I use the gun, I have lost the battle. Nonsense.

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Michael MorrisMichael C. Morris has been involved in racing since the age of twelve (12) when he took a summer job working at Terry’s Speed Shop located in Phoenixville PA.

With the help of his brother John Morris, they teamed up and joined Razzberry Racing. In the 90’s, the team was building their own cars to complete in the Sports Car Club of
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History tells us.....

that as a nation comes under attack from a force that intends to enslave the population, any ability of the people to resist is removed.

When Hitler took office, one of the first three things he did was to remove guns from the German people.  Being that he knew what was coming next, this was a smart move on his part.

The same is being attempted here.  When the ability of the people to defend themselves against their oppressors is in place, total oppression will occur.  The boot will once again be on our necks and we will not have the ability to fight back.

You may or may not agree that people should have guns, but you better understand it is the ONLY barrier to total control of the people by those who would enslave us.

by Michael Morris (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 293 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 12:41:57 PM
 


Political activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

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Marti OakleyPolitical activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
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History

history does tell us that the first thing most wannabe dicatators do, is to disarm the public.

Hitlers government made a statement to the effect of those who do not turn in their weapons will be considered an enemy of the national government. Thats loosely quoted.  We are not far from that kind of thinking with our own government.

I have maintained for years that the only reason that our own government has not turned on us physically, is that we have the right and the ability to fight back.

by Marti Oakley (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 52 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 1:02:57 PM
 


JUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.
RICHARD SHADEJUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.

HISTORY TELLS US....

MICHAEL AGREE, AND HERE WE HAVE OUR THREE GIVEN CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT, HILLARY, OBAMA, MC-CAIN, ALL ARE FOR GUN CONTROL AND HAVE A " F " WITH NRA. GUN CONTROL IS THE LAST STEP TO DICTATORSHIP, AND BY 2010 LOOKS LIKE THE TIME FRAME, AND YOU HAVE ASK TO YOUR SELF WHY IS BUSH AND CANADA WORKING ON A PLAN TO SHARE MILITARY FOR DOMESTIC UP RISEN S, THEY MUST THINK WE THE PEOPLE MIGHT START A REVOLUTION, SO I THINK THE 111 TH CONGRESS WILL PASS A BILL ON GUN CONTROL SALES AND IMPORTS, AND ALL GUNS WILL HAVE TO BE LOCKED UP, THIS WILL GIVE THE CRIMINALS ADVANTAGE OVER CITIZENS SELF DEFENSE. AND CRIME WILL GO UP, AND WITH OUR GOVERNMENT NOT WILLING TO SECURE OR BORDERS, AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY THIRD WORLD CRIMINALS ARE COME IN TO OUR COUNTRY . IT ALMOST SEAMS LIKE THE GLOBALIST ARE CREATING A VIDEO GAME FOR THEIR ENTERTAINMENT. EXCEPT IT WILL BE THEIR OWN REALITY SHOW. WHAT SAY YOU.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 459 comments) on Monday, February 25, 2008 at 3:57:07 AM
 


Having lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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Bill SamuelHaving lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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Right to violence

You got me look at this with a little different angle.  In a violence-based society, maybe the "right to bear arms" is fundamental.  And there is a lot of evidence that the USA is a violence-based society.  For example, we spend more on the military than all other nations of the world combined.

Personally, my main interest is not in being "liberal" or "progressive" - whatever those terms mean, since they're used in many different ways.  My main interest is in moving us from being based on violence.  So for me, gun control is part of a grouping that includes stopping war and militarism, ending abortion, and no longer using the death penalty.

But if you believe in war, abortion, and the death penalty - and most who call themselves "liberal" or "progressive" believe in at least one of those - maybe ir does make sense to also support allowing every man, woman and child to walk around with a gun. 

by Bill Samuel (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 180 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 4:36:40 PM
 


Political activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
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I am hopeful t...

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Marti OakleyPolitical activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
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Right to self protection

I don't believe in the death penalty, or war,or militarism.

Neither do I believe in the condoned killings perpetrated by mercenaries or our intelligence agencies.

I dont' beleive in bombing and attacking non-threatening countries because we want control of their assets (OIL).

I absolutely do not believe in the governments use of Depleted Uranium, not only on foreign populations, but on our troops.

I am totally against the biological and germ testing done on Americans in the name of "national security" and without informed consent of those tested.

Governments by their nature become violent in order to preserve themselves. We are bombarded daily with the violent actions of our military, of local law enforcement, and everyone in between who has been given license to kill or maime in the name of "national security". Why is having a means to defend yourself.....regardless of what it is......regarded as any more of a violent act than what we do to others so that we can claim we are now safer?

I disagree that we have a right to violence as a premise.   What we have agreed to is violence in our names, for our benefit. 

 

 

 

by Marti Oakley (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 52 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 5:12:37 PM
 


Nobody special.
WatchingNobody special.

DIsarmed sheep lose battles.

"When it gets to the point where you have to have a gun to protect you, you have lost the battle."

 

The easiest way to lose a battle is to be a disarmed sheep. When the troops come to cart you off to a death camp, you'll be wishing you had MANY guns with which to protect yourself.

 

by Watching (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 306 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 5:59:05 PM
 


Political activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
I say what I think, and mean what I say. I am known for being outspoken.
I am hopeful t...

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Marti OakleyPolitical activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
I say what I think, and mean what I say. I am known for being outspoken.
I am hopeful t...

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No sheep here!

I agree with you totally.  It doesn't take much imagination to figure out why our government or those in the UN want us disarmed.  The UN is making civil disarmement a pre-requisite for any help they give a "poor nation". 

When this occurs, for some reason the killing continues only now it is done by "peacekeepers" and whatever military the country may have.  Of course they can still continue to starve them, limit access to clean water or medical needs.  Those work too, but not as fast and efficient.   

by Marti Oakley (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 52 comments) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 6:18:05 PM
 


Political activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
I say what I think, and mean what I say. I am known for being outspoken.
I am hopeful t...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Marti OakleyPolitical activist. Former op-ed columnist for the St cloud Times in Minnesota. A member of the Times Writer's Group until
I resigned in September of 07.
Publisher of my own newsletter via email. The Proud Political Junkie's Gazette (PPJ) is now in 30 states and Canada.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Neither party is representative of the American people.
I say what I think, and mean what I say. I am known for being outspoken.
I am hopeful t...

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Yup!

Yes I do.  All that you mentioned are carefully constructed pieces of the puzzle.  REAL ID is nothing more than a database containing every bit of information possible about you.  It cannot poosibly help to stem terrorism and is not intended to.  If that was the actual objective, only those who have exhibited tendencies towards that kind of activity would be in the database.  Overloading it with billions of files on non-related subjects is not going to facilitate locating terrorists.  They would be well hidden in the mountain of information.

REAL ID is necessary to implement population identification and movement.  The Secure FLight program that went into effect this month is an attempt to force states to implement REAL ID.  So far 15 have passed state laws and resolutions banning the ID. 

REAL ID is eventually going to be used to facilitate the "cashless society".  Once in effect, no one will be able to buy or sell or conduct any transaction without it being registered by the database.

As I mentioned in the article, it is more the psychological affect of losing the right to arms.  Once a nation is disarmed they succumb quickly to those who are still allowed to have weapons and are easily controlled.  Add REAL ID to this and you have a huge herd of sheep.

There are already provisions supplied by Rumsfeld in 2002 that allow the government to test biological weapons, conduct germ testing, viral testing and electro-magnetic weapons testing on the public without being informed and without informed consent.  Special prvisions were included to specifically include women and minorities in these experiments. 

There is an extensive history of the "operations" carried out over the last 80-100 years using the mentally ill, the poor, orphans, minorities, and other "undesirables".  Culling the herd using eugenics is nothing new.

by Marti Oakley (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 52 comments) on Monday, February 25, 2008 at 1:14:24 PM
 

 

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