It was gratifying to see something from you...

that I could at long last agree with, and then I got a few paragraphs into it where your agenda started to slide into the open on its own pool of slime.

It is quite clear that your one sided "discussion" of race and gender is no more than a flimsy pretense for repeating discredited slanders of Barack Obama. I am insulted that you hold my ability to discern meaning in the printed word in such low regard that you would post this tract that has little to differentiate it from the bleatings of a Madison Avenue hack.

Sell it elsewhere.

by John Sanchez Jr. (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 903 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 10:09:23 AM
 

John, I do love your choice of words....

Particularly, "slime."  And I knew I couldn't fake Obamaistas out, but it was worth a try given the ten-to-one odds on most venues.  You guys get to cheat; we Hillary supporters must rely on stealth and surprise.  You get all the good press and money; we only get a few moments to state the obvious...

But I will say this for Obamabots; what you lack in finesse, you make up in sheer passion.  Passion is great, as long as the infant's umbilical life support remains connected the cerebral cortex.   See?

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 11:56:30 AM
 

We "Obamabots"...

if you insist on using the term as a perjorative, are simply more rigorous in applying truth to our arguments. This is not to say that we are completely honest. It is just that it appears that way to the casual observer since truth is in such short supply from the Clinton campaign, its candidate and her supporters.

You see, truth is as difficult to find there as sniper fire in a quiet airport.  If you wish, though, you may blame it on Mark Penn, her erstwhile chief campaign advisor, who oddly enough remains connected with her campaign, for billing so much of his time pushing the neocon Columbian trade deal that Hillary says she dislikes so much.

Or, maybe your article is intended as a smokescreen to divert attention from these developments.

by John Sanchez Jr. (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 903 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 1:05:27 PM
 

Oh, no, I'm not that clever

Or devious, is pehaps a more accurate term.  My whole thing is getting the truth about the totally bogus Obama campaign out to the American voter before we must again face the prospect of another ill-qualified, self-absorbed usurper promoted by elite prower brokers sitting in the Oval Office.

My aims are quite transparent; never have I attempted anything more sophisticated than up-front, enlightened debate.  I try to bring facts to the table and always preface those statements with avowed support of Hillary Rodham Clinton for 44th President of the United States.

Nothing as nefarious as you suggest, John.

"Why Hillary should be winning" (Salon.com)

But while we are on the subject of facts, here is an article which could underscore my point: posted on Salon.com 04-07-08 by Sean Wilentz. Mr. Wilentz describes how the whole primary voting is seriously flawed and that if it were not for the Democratic Party's tinkering with the will of the people, Hillary would easily be the presumptive nominee. And he gives the numbers and states that the Obama campaign is using the same tactics that the George W. Bush camp used in 2000.  Remember 2000?  I do.  That is not a compliment to Barack's gilded reputation.

In a winner-take-all system, Wilentz continues, Hillary would be leading 1430 to 1257.  And that is even without the FL and MI delegates included.

He is doing the math and wondering how in Hades this was allowed to happen.  I must strongly concur.  One can only speculate that it isn't a coincidence.  It is obviously orchestrated.  I think it is the old right/left nexus working in harmony again to leverage the election and control our national agenda.  You and I should be working against this conspiracy--if you can get your mind around it.  Can you say New World Order?

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 2:02:45 PM
 

HILLARY CLINTON: THE DEVIL MADE HER DO IT

America is reminded of the shameful past of racism with the anniversary of the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. last week. As we traverse the rocky road of redemption there are moments of truth within the current body politic to set us free.

Forty years ago there were many who symbolized the face of hate and intolerance. Bravely and in greater and prevailing numbers were those who fought, marched and died for freedom's cause. Forty years later there still remains the undercurrent of race baiting and hate mongering, although the most recent crop of miscreants are not wielding water hoses or attack dogs.

The usual suspects are easy to discover. Coulter, Cunningham, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Savage to name a few. This is to be expected from them. The most insidious attacks however, are coming from within the Democratic party itself, courtesy of Hillary and Bill Clinton. Truthfully they aren't really Democrats, they never have been. Hillary and Bill should more appropriately be running under the banner of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). Republicrats sound the drumbeat of truth for these Charlatans.

James Carville was so quick to point out that Bill Richardson was a modern day Judas, a betrayer of biblical proportions. Even a dime store psychologist can tell that a common way to deflect critical judgment is to accuse others of your own liabilities, the pot calling the kettle black so to speak. Of course Carville is a good watch dog, faithfully protecting his masters until the last dog is dead.

Alas, the real betrayers are the Clintons and their handful of sycophantic surrogates willing to spin the web of coded sound bites of division, fear and hate. Billy Shaheen and Mark Penn were there to ghettoize Obama as a drug dealer and Bob Johnson "didn't" want to talk about what Barack was doing in the neighborhood. Ed Rendell schooled us on how white people would have a hard time voting for an African American. In 1988 Geraldine Ferraro said Jesse Jackson's accomplishments were commensurate with the color of his skin. Twenty years later she bellows the same rancorous bile about Obama.

The most malignant of the verbal assaults however, have been unloosed directly by the Captain and his Commander. Bill Clinton comparing Obama's South Carolina victory to Jesse Jackson. Hillary on 60 Minutes with the now infamous refrain, "As far as I know he's not a Muslim". And then Bill telling us that McCain and Hillary are the ones who love their country, by nominating her we don't have to worry about that "other stuff" that invades our politics. And most recently, Hillary, whining like a broken bagpipe to Superdelegates that Obama cannot win.

When we watch and listen closely along the way we are witness to Hillary and Company finding her voice. The voice of desperation and hate. The purveyors of racism from forty years ago are still with us, relentlessly trying to co-opt their nightmare upon us. Fortunately for us, the next 3 AM phone call for Hillary will be from Mephistopheles....telling her to come home.

by Scott2008 (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 5 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 2:31:17 PM
 

Scott, are you transcribing Obama talking points?

I know you are aware of the rules for putting ideas into your own words, which you do well, but they still sound stilted--as if you are quoting from an Obama campaign newletter. 

Unfortuately, I don't know the remedy for Obamaitis; like a common cold, it will have to cure itself; it you treat it, it takes two weeks; if you don't, it takes fourteen days--an old-wives joke.  God forbid the nation will have to suffer another four years of benign neglect, which may be terminal.

In the meantime, I wish to give you a very good link to a site (actually, pretty remarkable, considering the author is a black man) that may aid in your recovery. http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/

Hope this helps.  Take two doses and engage me in the morning.

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 5:15:14 PM
 

THE TRUTH HURTS

How convenient to attack anyone who has a contrary view to yours, solely on the basis of sounding like an Obama campaign newsletter?  As Mr. Sanchez pointed out in the earlier comment, this appears to be a diversionary tactic on your part, and to a much larger degree, the same tactics Hillary & Co. employ on a daily basis.

What a shock it must have been shortly after Iowa, for Hillary and Bill to discover that they would never be able to win based on the merits. I'm sure it's a difficult exercise for any supporters of Hillary to endure. For all of her possibility and intelligence, she continually demonstrates poor judgment and an appalling lack of sensibility or fair play.

It really distills down to character and transparency. Obama's cup runneth over in this regard, evidenced in the polls, popular vote, states won, pledged delegates and superdelegates.

The latest dust up involving Mark Penn may prove to be the death watch for team Clinton in Pennsylvania, underscored not only by her bankruptcy in good judgment, but the larger issue of Bill Clinton taking $800,000 in 2005 from Gold Service International to promote free trade in South America.

Certainly seems more than nefarious in light of the recent revelations of White House records placing Hillary at the scene of the crime with regard to her unequivocal support of NAFTA, regardless of how David Gergen tries to spin it to Wolf Blitzer.

The Clinton calculus of obfuscate and triangulate has finally worn everyone out. And when all else failed, they resorted to the Jim Crow bag of tricks. When she said the kitchen sink who knew that included the septic tank as well.

by Scott2008 (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 5 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 7:06:04 PM
 

Obviously, Scott, you ignored my link

I would like for you to visit both the Jamal McCoy stop-Obama site,  and the link posted in my last comment; other than that, I can only suggest, "Ibid."

This is a general observation of most anti-Hillary rants: they read as if the writer is on a Pavlovian trip with nothing new to impart, just regurgitation of the usual 'I hate Hillary' pap.  (It's a sort of Cuisinart style of debate--put in the words and over-processed rhetoric comes oozing out.)  I have encountered such epithets as "smarmy" and "racist" and many more. THERE are the dodges and diversions...throw enough white guilt at the issue of race and, voila, you can stop any intelligent exploration into Obama's past, his present or possible future as POTUS. 

I find that dangerously lacking in substance if we are to choose a leader.  It shouldn't be a popularity contest or the last man standing mentality that propels an election.  It should be based on experience, an ability to cut through the BS, mount an intelligent plan of action and be willing to compromise where that is prudent or stand pat when national interests are in jeopardy.

Throwing dirt will not solve our many dilemmas.  However, uncovering facts, not penning fictive narratives, might prove useful.  Obama has been unmasked to be self-promoting and intellectually lazy; he seizes upon every opportunity to advance his career, not necessarily the fortunes of the people. 

The criticism is coming from the black and white communities and from the left and right spectrum of political persuasion.  Ignore it as you wish; I won't and hopefully, neither will the American voters.  Barack is being promoted by moneyed interests with their own agenda.  That agenda has nothing to do with you or me.  He has bought the primaries, packed the caucuses and will outspend Hillary in PA with deceptive ads on the media.  No wonder the MSM hacks and talking heads praise him; their jobs are on the line.

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 7:34:39 AM
 

THE TRUTH HURTS STILL HURTS

I did visit your favored blog and found it to be quite the rant. Unfortunately, just a silly didactic that adds nothing to the discussion, notwithstanding the fact that you think that the skin color of the author is notable or lends credence to your argument. If that is the case, you might prefer the styling of Juan Williams or Larry Elder.

Your debating skills are laughable really, you avoid the substantive points every step of the way. Furthermore, your arguments are steeped in a gender-centric diatribe of conflation, stereotypes and name calling. 

Finally your last talking point, that Obama is on shaky ground with his monied interests. You cannot possibly be that tone deaf. Whatever you criticize others for, invariably prosecutes her as well. As your analysis plummets like a lead balloon, you should consider this, if a Obama were a woman, you would have thrown Hillary off the train long ago. 

by Scott2008 (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 10:22:11 AM
 

A woman who calls Hillary names

is  just an indecent person. A woman who hates Hillary is...just a Hillary- hater until she starts calling her names.  Mysogynism is a bias- a denial to the  female an opportunity to be the same  human as you  just because she is a female.  Thus  I guess the man can be a mysogynist and an indecent person at the same time.. A woman can be an indecent person and, say, men-hater..

A black person who  criticises  whoever, black or white is not a racist as soon as that person  criticises them from the position of equal standing.  That means, for instance that investigation into the ' whiteness' of Obama is surely a racist rant ( who cares?) but  if there is something fishy in the way Obama presents himself- that is a quite  legitimate concern.

Having said all of the above I still am confused on what the article is about.

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3268 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 2:25:49 PM
 

It is satire Mark

A satire on all the foilbles we as humans display when placing labels on everything.  Of course, as John Sanchez points out, I did sneak in my pro-Hillary bias.  But that doesn't make me a bad person; just makes me a Hillary supporter.  Come on over to the light side and the lighter side of the political divide.  We Hillary voters welcome everyone under the tent--black, white; native, immigrant; woman, man; introverts, extroverts; gay, straight, etc., etc., etc.

Is English your second language?  I gather you are from Eastern Europe. You have mastered English, however, I feel.  It is a very difficult language to learn and I commend your efforts.  Are you familiar with the Polish-English writer, Joseph Conrad ("Lord Jim" and "Heart of Darkness"--the latter was  inspiration for the epic movie, "Apocalypse Now.")? His native language was Polish but he chose to write his fiction in English.  I saw a movie based on one of his stories, "Victory," and it was wonderful.

Way off topic, but an interesting aside.

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 at 4:30:27 PM
 

Of course

I know Konrad. All his writings were translated into Russian.  But there were other cases. Like the famous French writer Henry Truaya- he is a former Russian emigre. So is Helen Mirren- her father is a Russian officer. I  am in a good company:)

Thanks

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3268 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 8:19:25 AM
 

Oh, and don't forget Nabakov

One of my favorites.  He also turned to English, citing his love of the lush and numerable possibilities the Anglican tongue allows; he particularly liked the double entendres and puns, which he used often.  Someone said his book, "Pale Fire" was the best novel of the 20th century.  I went to my library branch; my book request was pulled from their main stacks downtown--a dusty, used volume.  But I must admit it was somewhat too esoteric for my sensibilities.  It went into what seemed old Russian history or folklore.  Are you familiar with "Pale Fire?"

I will have to do more research and come up with a good exposition.

Cheers

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 8:53:15 AM
 

Nabokov

 is not  that popular among the Russian readers because he is considered ' boring'. He is a stylist, you know. Pale Fire I heard of but did not read it.  Lolita, hmm, I read, we all did.  As a matter of fact, I have a ' diploma' from the  Writer's School here in CT which  allows me to ' write stories'.  I do write stories. In Russian I write only poetry.   Engineering   becomes really boring after 30 years of doing it, you understand.

And  BTW, no matter how I consider Hillary as a person I surely admire her tenacity, persistence and life force as a politician.  Those qualities are admirable, just  need to be put to the good use..

With pleasure

 Mark

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3268 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 9:56:45 AM
 

REALITY CHECK OR WHO IS OBAMA?

Hoping to save the world--one mind at a time.  In the interest of full disclosure and fair debate, may I present for all who may care, the following:

Distilling the Obama character by critiquing his life, so far....please see the Z Magazine site online for Paul Street's take on the illusion we call Barack Obama.  He says B.O. is a hollow man of little definable substance.  And Mr. Street has a lot more credentials in the political pundit arena than most.

Bill Van Auken's story, "The Two Faces of Barack Obama" online at Global Research, a Canadian site:  http://www.globalresearch.com/index.php?context=Va&aid=8073  dated Feb. 14, '08.

The Taylor Marsh site tells us that there is a collaboration between the GOP and the Obama forces to sink the Clinton campaign.  Now why do you suppose the Repubs want Obama in the Democratic nominee's seat?  Go to http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_viewphp?id=26826

On the right, Ronald Kessler shows us "The Real Obama" at Newsmax.com  He is not that impressed with Obama either,  but then he is a Conservative. Truly chilling expose.

When you read these reports, all illusions of the Great One melt into questions: how could he have risen to rapidly and how is his candidacy being underwritten so successfully?  Really boggles the mind.  I have many more examples. This is a good start.  One of the most fascinating portions of Obama's life is his association with a Kenyan cousin, Raila Odinga, now implicated in the blood-letting following the country's contested elections last year; he was one of the instigators, leading his faithful to riot when he lost the vote.  I have an excellent link to a comment put up on a blog regard Odinga.  He is not a nice man and Obama was in Kenya to support his candidacy.  The pictures do not lie.  Odinga has signed a pact with a radical Muslim sect promising to implement undemocratic Shariah law if he gains control of the government.  The people of Kenya are mixed Christian, Muslim and Tribal practices. http://blog.uhuru.de/2007/07/29/raila-virus/   Scroll down to the post by mogeyusuf dated 17 Aug., '07.

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 12:07:26 PM
 

wrong link addy posted

Sorry, I want to correct the Audacity of Hypocrisy link.

click here this works; the site is a bundle of information.  If it doesn't work, Google audacity of hypocrisy.

by Marilyn Frith (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 191 comments) on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 at 3:52:23 PM