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April 10, 2008 at 07:40:02

Headlined on 4/10/08:
Obama Delegate Purge "" Slash and Burn in California

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Major Update: posted at 6:30 AM; 

Obama Reinstates CA Delegates 

By dusk on Wednesday, the California Obama campaign had purged almost all

progressive activists from its delegate candidate lists. Names of candidates, people who had filed to run to represent Obama at the August Democratic Party National Convention, disappeared, not one by one, but hundreds at a time, from the Party web site listing the eligibles.

The list of Obama delegate hopefuls in one northern California congressional district went from a robust 100 to an anemic 23, while in southern California, the list in Congressman Waxman’s district almost slipped out of sight, plunging from a high of 91 candidates to 17. Gone were strong women with independent political bases.

Who was left standing, still in the running for the Sunday delegate caucuses?

The bundlers, the men and women who skirt campaign finance laws by bundling cash, a bundle of $2,000 here and a bundle of $2,000 there -- and some, though

certainly not all, of the Obama volunteers, loyalists from day one.

Who was kicked to the curb? Brian Leubitz, a Calitics blogger with a mighty pen, Tad Daley, former policy advisor to Cranston and Kucinich and a career fellow with the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, Alan Toy, a disabled rights activist and Chair of the American Civil Liberties Union chapter in Santa Monica, and a nameless, yet tireless grassroots volunteer who toiled nights making precinct maps …. and me.

Marcy Winograd.

I campaigned for Obama -- went on Pacifica’s KPFK twice, once on election day, to promote his candidacy, to tell the world he really was our hope, the candidate who could galvanize the young and the man who could strengthen an ever-expanding progressive base in the Democratic Party. I urged our Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles chapter to endorse him and we did.

Obama for President.

But the Obama campaign was worried their delegates would switch at a brokered convention.

After the first round of voting, if no clear winner emerges, there is no such thing as a pledged delegate – according to Hillary Caesar Clinton.

Did I take an Obama loyalty oath? Even better.

Two years ago I picketed a Hillary Clinton fundraiser in Hancock Park and was quoted telling the Los Angeles Times. “Hillary Clinton led us to war. She is not the kind of leader we need.”

I sit on the Executive Board of the California Democratic Party and will vote in

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Marcy Winograd is an Executive Board member of the California Democratic Party, representing the 41st Assembly District (Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades, Topanga, Malibu, and Brentwood). In 2006, she garnered 38% of the vote in her congressional peace challenge to Jane Harman. At the last California Democratic Party convention in San Jose, she lobbied successfully for Party platform amendments calling for prison sentencing reform and card check certification in union-organizing drives.

 

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i am a former teacher of 30 years with a history and political science major.I started getting politically active when Ronnie Regan ended my social security hopes for teahers
liberalsrocki am a former teacher of 30 years with a history and political science major.I started getting politically active when Ronnie Regan ended my social security hopes for teahers

america is screwed

if the liberal purging is true this confirms most liberal suspicions that Obama is no more liberal then Clinton and we will have conservative big business politics as usual to the detriment of the middle class no matter who gets in democrat or republican.Truly it is time for someone to start a progressive third party movement because the democrats have shown time and again they just need liberals for votes not new progressive ideas.

by liberalsrock (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 114 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 7:52:01 AM
 


My writing is based on the belief that we all have something to say. I first started out writing a letter to the editor, and then branched out into blogging.
I am a big believer in fighting for democracy, and am opposed to dynastic rule of the United States. Therefore I blog.

Laura RoslinMy writing is based on the belief that we all have something to say. I first started out writing a letter to the editor, and then branched out into blogging.
I am a big believer in fighting for democracy, and am opposed to dynastic rule of the United States. Therefore I blog.

About that "Winnowing" charge

About that "Winnowing" charge by akogun Thu Apr 10, 2008

...

However, if this is accurate, then Marcy Winograd's very public and irate hissy fit is absolutely incomprehensible. I had thought that the Campaign just cut people from the roster and the people so cut had to find out on their own. If you got this courtesy email from the Campaign, apologizing for the understandably difficult exercise, and you proceed to call on the PA Progressives Community to help you derail the candidacy you aspired to represent, well ..... I rest my case with regard to your reliability as a delegate.

Thanks so much for your excitement and interest in supporting Senator Obama in California.

There is extraordinary grassroots enthusiasm for Senator Obama in California. As a result, an overwhelming amount of Californians have applied to be a delegate but there are a limited amount of delegates who will be elected at the California District Conventions to attend the DNC Convention.  

The list of delegates has been narrowed in order to ensure an orderly delegate election process at each California convention.  The campaign continues to appreciate the contributions from all our supporters .

End of UPDATE:

I will let the oddity of a "Trusted Progressive" getting so angry that she is willing to call on others to help derail the candidacy of the person she is supposed to be supporting speak for itself.

I will not comment on the incongruity of a candidate for a delegate selection process (which REQUIRES that you select your MOST TRUSTED and LOYAL supporters to represent you in a potentially contentious delegate poaching fight) asking to be trusted and be chosen to represent a Campaign, lashing out so viscerally at the Campaign he/she seeks to represent once it became clear that the Campaign has other preferences.

It would be laughable if it were not so sad. Marcy Winograd is said to be a "Trusted Progressive" and an activist who has done a lot for the Democratic Party. I will confess that I have not known Marcy personally and cannot comment one way or another as to her credentials.

However, reading Marcy's "winnowing" diary, and having read what has been happening on Calitics and elsewhere in California today has re-solidified my trust in the judgement of the people who run the Obama Campaign.

more at the link

by Laura Roslin (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 32 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:56:54 PM
 


I'm a concerned, middle aged blogger and member of the ACLU. I hail from the Bay Area. I Lobbied congress with the ACLU over the more unconstitutional elements of the USA Patriot Act. Marched in peace protests, lost a former school chum in the world trade center on 9/11.
Michael ShawI'm a concerned, middle aged blogger and member of the ACLU. I hail from the Bay Area. I Lobbied congress with the ACLU over the more unconstitutional elements of the USA Patriot Act. Marched in peace protests, lost a former school chum in the world trade center on 9/11.

That's a good question Robert!

We certainly could use a bit more information. If this is true (as it seems to be), it is very disturbing.

As a progressive, I think it is the job of our politicians to take on the big shots, the corporate entities that are behind most of our problems. You would think in these terms that the more progressive delegates the better, especially from someone who is supposed to be a progressive candidate. However, from any candidate's perspective, it always seems whomever gives him or her the most money becomes the most important on their agenda.

I have read that both democrat candidates have been purging potential progressive delegates. Coincidence or political strategy in a close race? Perhaps, but I see it as a potentially damning situation for the entire democratic party and a possible progressive revolt on the horizon, the last thing we need now that the end to the neocon agenda is in sight.

by Michael Shaw (7 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 310 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 4:47:32 PM
 


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JC GarrettJC Garrett is a freelance writer and Constitutional scholar from the piney-woods of East Texas. He apologizes to the entire world that the great Lone Star State could have produced the neo-Neanderthal currently occupying the Oval Office.

"I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm ashamed George W. Bush is an American."

Mr. Garrett owns and operates an independent recording studio, plays several instruments, writes, sings, and produces music.

His stories have ...

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Strange Logic

Don't you realize that it doesn't make one bit of difference how "progressive" a delegate is? Delegates are not voting on legislation, and they aren't running for political office. They have only one purpose: to vote for the candidate who sent them. Their relative "liberal meter" plays no part whatsoever in the task they have been assigned. They are not going to be advocating issues or debating abortion at the convention.

This whole post is ridiculous.

by JC Garrett (34 articles, 49 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 456 comments) on Friday, April 11, 2008 at 6:35:48 AM
 


My writing is based on the belief that we all have something to say. I first started out writing a letter to the editor, and then branched out into blogging.
I am a big believer in fighting for democracy, and am opposed to dynastic rule of the United States. Therefore I blog.

Laura RoslinMy writing is based on the belief that we all have something to say. I first started out writing a letter to the editor, and then branched out into blogging.
I am a big believer in fighting for democracy, and am opposed to dynastic rule of the United States. Therefore I blog.

2,000 Clinton donor outraged he was purged from Obama list

The California Obama campaign was flooded with people running for the delegate slots. Also, some were purged for reason, such as having made large donations to Clinton.

Mercuri News:

"We've got an unwieldy amount of delegate candidates," said Don Morrison, spokesman for the Obama campaign in the 17th Congressional District. "There's just no way you're going to get through the lists on a Sunday afternoon."

In some districts, more than 90 people had signed up to run for as few as three delegate positions. In the 17th District, which includes most of Santa Cruz County as well as Monterey and San Benito counties, 26 people had signed up for two posts.

The San Jose Mercury News also quotes a $2,000 Clinton donor as outraged that he was purged from the Obama list.

Link to donations by Nicholas Lefevre  See here

by Laura Roslin (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 32 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 6:14:21 PM
 


My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

One must continue to examine "truths"

All too often we are caught up in the moment and what we wish so hard to believe we make fact. Everything we do from that point on is corrupted by being built upon an unfirm foundation.

Obama seems to me to be the "fad of the moment", precisely because he craftily preaches instead of plans, appeals to emotionalism instead of intellectualism. In an era so fraught with lies and corruption, in an era when our greatest strength, the free press, has been diminished and sold for a full page ad, we are so very easily led by hope instead of ruled by our own intelligence.

The greatest harm that will be done by this ,basically dishonest, campaign, is to those for whom this is the first exposure to politics. Hope and emotionalism bring the young, the politically naieve to the fray, and, just as easily, will cause them to reject the entire political spectrum when Senator Obama's feet of clay are exposed. Just when this nation needs its committed the most, they will be turned off and disenfranchise themselves. Nice work Obama, yoiu should be so proud that naked ambition trumps love of country.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 8:26:30 AM
 


Robert Sargent is co-owner of a Washington State commercial printing company with operations in Seattle and Redmond. He has an Economics degree from the University of Washington and occasionally plays alto sax with the Husky alumni band. An amateur economist, investor and photographer, and fiscally conservative moderate at heart, Robert has been a "yellow-dog Democrat" since the Bush administration "began screwing up the world beyond repair". Active in local and national political races, Mr. Sar...

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Robert SargentRobert Sargent is co-owner of a Washington State commercial printing company with operations in Seattle and Redmond. He has an Economics degree from the University of Washington and occasionally plays alto sax with the Husky alumni band. An amateur economist, investor and photographer, and fiscally conservative moderate at heart, Robert has been a "yellow-dog Democrat" since the Bush administration "began screwing up the world beyond repair". Active in local and national political races, Mr. Sar...

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Very insulting, and without any basis whatsoever

"what we wish so hard to believe we make fact"...isn't that in fact what you are doing? Wasn't it Hillary, not Obama, that preached instead of planned? Wasn't it Hillary, not Obama that failed to plan for a campaign that lasted beyond supertuesday? Wasn't it Hillary, not Obama, that failed to consider the problems with a post Saddam Iraq?


Obama has been at least as substantive as Hillary from day one, the fact that he is an inspirational speaker somehow makes him a fraud? 

"emotionalism instead of intellectualism? You're talking about the republicans. You are talking about the Clinton campaign trying to scare people into thinking Obama isn't capable of winning the general election or qualified to be commander in chief. Obama's criticism has often been that he is too intellectual and too nuanced with his positions.

What makes Obama's ambition "naked" relative to Clinton, or any of the other candidates?

The guy believes this country needs a great statesman. A uniter that will restore Americas credibility. He believes, as I do, that he is better able to achieve that than the other contenders. 

You project "naked" ambition, but have no basis with which to back it up. 

Worst of all, you continue with the insults to Obama supporters, making them out to be "naive" and caught up in emotionalism. 

You have not made one substantive argument why, given the issues facing this country, Hillary or McCain would be a better choice. 

by Robert Sargent (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 302 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 12:31:16 PM
 


It is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.
Jeanette DoneyIt is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.

I feel your pain and offer you a solution

There is still an opportunity for progressives in the Ron Paul rEVOLution.

I started supporting Nader three elections ago because after working for the LA County registrar's office as a precinct inspector for five years, the corruption was well enough to drive one to beg Nader to help fix it.  I'll never forget the moment I heard Bill Clinton announced president..I had 10K uncounted locked ballots in my car...and I know I wasn't alone in that thousands of precinct inspectors were waiting to drop off their precinct ballots just like me.  I am so sorry the corporate parties take our money and time and give us exactly what we don't want.  So please .. a door closes a window opens...

As a three electioon Nader supporter, volunteer, what am I doing in the GOP camp?  Well...Bush destroyed the GOP.  Allot of republicans who supported Bush were not teflon and they were appauled by what the Bush administration was doing they are supporting Obama over Hillary.  The GOP in CA is three million in debt.  They closed their primary ballot to independents.  So Ron Paul says...look...here's an opportunity to take a major party.  I'm open!

I've been trying to CHANGE government by third party and independent campaigns with Nader for 12 years now.  Here now we have an opportunity to take over a major party.  WHY NOT?

Now some get into mincing meat over Ron Paul and his personal issues, like abortion...but the thing is, Ron Paul is saying  I DON'T WANT TO BE YOUR DICTATOR...what that means is

HERE is your opportunity to make CHANGE.  And if you are an honest person you will admit that the Ron Paul campaugn has done exceptionally well on the grassroots, IMO better than Obama's (you have never matched us or beat us in one day campaign contributions..so lets unite..screw the Democrats!  STOP letting them take YOUR vote for granted.

We are facing the GOP down face to face in our communities...the GOP is changing and Ron Paul rEVOLution is doing very well getting delegates...become one..the GOP has plenty of seats open...i swear.  MSM won't tell anyone.

 

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 304 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 8:27:44 AM
 


Robert Sargent is co-owner of a Washington State commercial printing company with operations in Seattle and Redmond. He has an Economics degree from the University of Washington and occasionally plays alto sax with the Husky alumni band. An amateur economist, investor and photographer, and fiscally conservative moderate at heart, Robert has been a "yellow-dog Democrat" since the Bush administration "began screwing up the world beyond repair". Active in local and national political races, Mr. Sar...

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I asked a similar question..

...got no response. Makes me curious. I hate it when people make accusations against Obama, or, by extention, his "campaign", then fail to back it up with any evidence or supporting links.


I'm not saying the "campaign" wasn't involved, I'd just like some supporting evidence for such a charge.

In Washington State, the delegate process is managed by party officials at the precinct,  legislative district, and Congressional district levels. The campaigns themselves have little, if any, influence over who gets voted in as delegates (beyond encougaging people to participate in the process).

by Robert Sargent (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 302 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 12:42:14 PM
 


Michael Cavlan , RN, was an Official Green Party Observer for the 2004 Ohio Re-Count.
He was the Green Party Candidate for US Senate 2006 and is a Candidate US Senate
2008 Seeking Green Party Endorsement in Minnesota. See www.michaelcavlan.org

Michael CavlanMichael Cavlan , RN, was an Official Green Party Observer for the 2004 Ohio Re-Count.
He was the Green Party Candidate for US Senate 2006 and is a Candidate US Senate
2008 Seeking Green Party Endorsement in Minnesota. See www.michaelcavlan.org

Really? Obama is NOT progressive?

Some of us already knew that because we followed the corporate money trail ANd actually looked at his ACTIONS (read that war funding and accepting corporate bundled money) rather than just his WORDS.

 

Ron Paul will go nowhere, once the Republican show is over.

 

Cynthia McKinney OR Ralph Nader on the other hand have proven records for courage and conviction. Cynthia McKinney specifically has a proven record of integrity and courage in regards to Impeachment, 9-11 Truth, Election Fraud and a whole host of other critical issues.

 

Cynthia McKinney, time to join up and work with a campaign of truth and courage.

by Michael Cavlan (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 211 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 10:33:07 AM
 


concerned citizen of planet earth
erik mouseconcerned citizen of planet earth

Ok, ok, I consider myself to be fairly well informed

But I really don't understand how delegates can be 'purged' from some list that does what again?  I had several years of civics class (back when they used to make it a requirment) and I'm fairly well read in modern politics but for the life of me I don't understand why our 'democracy' (which is actually a republic if you want to percise) needs to be this complex.

by erik mouse (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 97 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 12:26:42 PM
 


I'm a concerned, middle aged blogger and member of the ACLU. I hail from the Bay Area. I Lobbied congress with the ACLU over the more unconstitutional elements of the USA Patriot Act. Marched in peace protests, lost a former school chum in the world trade center on 9/11.
Michael ShawI'm a concerned, middle aged blogger and member of the ACLU. I hail from the Bay Area. I Lobbied congress with the ACLU over the more unconstitutional elements of the USA Patriot Act. Marched in peace protests, lost a former school chum in the world trade center on 9/11.

I heard that both camps

have been purging potential progressive delegates. But perhaps this section out of the Huffington Post might serve a further explanation. It's an article from David Sirota..."What's the difference between a liberal and a progressive?"

....."Many of today's Democratic politicians, for instance, are simply not comfortable taking a more confrontational posture towards large economic institutions (many of whom fund their campaigns) - institutions that regularly take a confrontational posture towards America's middle-class."

click here

by Michael Shaw (7 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 310 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 4:25:16 PM
 


Barack Obama supporter, campaigner, donater and distant relative.
WanakeeBarack Obama supporter, campaigner, donater and distant relative.

pledged delegates

In a climate like this, where Obama has 2 opponents -- Hillary and McCain, and where Russ Limbaugh is urging anarchy, it's understandable delegates will get purged at a high rate.

What people need to understand is, pledged delegates have to get scrutinized to ensure they are in it for the right reasons. I'm sure most of the purged delegates are, however, if there are party loyalists who've been fully vetted and are sure bets for the senator, clearly, those identifiable candidates will and should get first dibs.

No one should take this personally. It's a part of the process. And when a member of your own party who has very little chance of winning, is attacking you and aligning herself with Republicans, paranoia and self - preservation are good qualities to have, unfortunately. 

 

by Wanakee (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 1:34:12 PM
 


Zan is an actor, dancer, choreographer, writer, designer and artist.  He is a director of a major national civil rights organization, one of the youth founders of the Progressive Caucus of the California Democratic Party, and an organizer of political rallies and events.  He is responsible for many of the most liberal resolutions adopted by the California Democratic Party in recent years.
ZanZan is an actor, dancer, choreographer, writer, designer and artist.  He is a director of a major national civil rights organization, one of the youth founders of the Progressive Caucus of the California Democratic Party, and an organizer of political rallies and events.  He is responsible for many of the most liberal resolutions adopted by the California Democratic Party in recent years.

You were right to oppose Obama

Marcy, I like you very much. You opposed Obama because he is not a progressive.  PDA's leadership backed Edwards.  PDA members who backed Kucinich was ignored.  Obama and Clinton were constantly attacked by PDA and PDLA.

If the progressives wanted to be delegates, they should have gotten a progressive nominated.  Groups like PDA were self-defeating.  They didn't agree with Edwards.  They backed him and attacked others, including Kucinich, because they believed he would win.  They should have known that his campaign was only aimed at wiping out Kucinich.  If PDA had lined up behind Kucinich, Kucinich would be the nominee. 

Brad Parker, Jo Olson and Ahjamu Makalani also opposed Obama, Kucinich,  and Clinton.   They believed that electing Edwards was the way to defeat Obama and Clinton and they really hated Obama and Clinton. They pushed Edwards to the exclusion of everyone else.  Makalani has turned on his own, again.  I understand that Makalani has promised to deliver the Black vote for a right-wing White Democrat over a popular Black candidate in a Congressional district where the Black candidate is very popular among progressives.  Makalani is not a progressive. 

by Zan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 3:38:15 PM
 


I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

Marcy

Marcy didn't oppose Obama. She said she campaigned for him. She should have known better than to waste her time supporting an establishment candidate. If Marcy is smart she will leave the Democratic party.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 703 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 3:53:24 PM
 


Democratic activist living in northern Nevada
Carissa SnedekerDemocratic activist living in northern Nevada

Right of Refusal

Campaigns have the right to remove anyone from their delegate lists that they want.  http://www.cfr.org/publication/15414/

The final list of delegates and their campaign affiliations is public, as is a record of their votes at the conventions. In the end, says Democratic strategist Tad Devine, "individual campaigns have a candidate right of refusal," meaning they can reject a particular delegate for their campaign. Campaigns try to ensure that delegates "are, in fact, true partisans who support a particular candidate," says Devine.

by Carissa Snedeker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 4:33:09 PM