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July 2, 2007 at 10:00:51

WHAT PROMISE TO VETERANS?

by Larry Scott     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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I’ve searched high and low for a promise made to veterans. I can’t find it. Surely, it must exist. From George Washington to George Bush, we have reams of flowery rhetoric praising the good deeds of those who have served in the U.S. military. But, where is the promise?

Washington said the nation owes veterans a “debt of honor.” Bush often speaks of “honor,” “support” and “compassion” in speeches about veterans. In between, Abraham Lincoln said our mission is “…to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and orphan…” All of this sounds good, but it’s not a promise.

The elusive promise to veterans has been used by politicians since the earliest days of our republic to raise armies to fight wars and to pass legislation to care for veterans when they come home from those wars. But, what actually was promised?

It’s a simple fact: that nothing was promised to veterans. There was no promise made, so there’s nothing to keep and nothing to break. It’s the great American myth; an urban legend of epic proportions.

This myth is promulgated by politicians who want us to think they are keeping a promise to veterans or want us to think some other politician isn’t keeping a promise. A quick Google search will show thousands of entries about a promise to veterans. Many are from those claiming to keep the promise. Others are from those who loudly declare the promise is not being kept. But, nowhere will you find exactly what this promise might be.

So, why do we believe there’s a promise to veterans? Because we want to believe it. We want to believe that our country will care and provide for those who have given years of their lives to military service. We desperately want to believe that our country will care for those who return from the fields of battle with physical and emotional wounds. Anything else would not fit the standards we have set for ourselves as Americans.

However, the truth is something different.

Veterans of the Civil War have left us volumes of their post-war battles with the Commissioner of Pensions who parceled out medical care and disability compensation. One document tells of a veteran’s struggle with the Commissioner to get a wooden leg to replace the real leg he’d lost in combat. After years of denials, he carved the leg himself.

Military retirees of the World War II era were under the assumption they would have free, life-time healthcare at military hospitals. Those hospitals were closed. And now, the retirees find themselves in a HMO.

Vietnam veterans fought for years to get benefits for exposure to Agent Orange. Now, many of them who served in the “Blue Water Navy” find their adversary is the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (VA) who is in Federal Court trying to deny them benefits.

Our new veterans coming home from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan find themselves faced with military and VA healthcare systems that are underfunded, overcrowded and incapable of caring for their needs.

All of these veterans thought there was a promise and found out otherwise.

Veterans have been accepting the constantly-changing hodge-podge of laws and regulations that, sometimes, provide disability compensation and care. And, “sometimes” is the operative word. A check of federal regulations covering veterans’ benefits shows an abundant use of the phrase “the Secretary may.” The “Secretary” is the Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs who “may” or may NOT provide the benefit listed in the specific regulation.

But, could there be a promise to veterans buried somewhere in mountains of laws or hidden deep in the recesses of the Federal Code? The Herculean effort to see if such a promise existed was undertaken by David F. Burelli, a National Defense Specialist for the Congressional Research Service. Burelli’s research paper is titled Military Health Care: The Issue of “Promised” Benefits. The 23-page paper makes this determination: “Many…military retirees…state that they were promised ‘free health care for life at military facilities’ as part of their ‘contractual agreement’ when they entered the armed forces. Efforts to locate authoritative documentation of such promises have not been successful. Congressional report language and recent court decisions have rejected retiree claims [of] a right or entitlement.” While Burelli’s paper deals with military retirees, it can be extrapolated to include non-retiree veterans, as well.

Others, realizing Burelli’s findings to be accurate, have tried to reframe the language of a promise to veterans. Dave Autry of the Disabled American Veterans (DAV) likes to use the concept of a “moral obligation” to veterans. That high-minded verbiage has been used thousands of times by politicians, authors and veterans’ advocates. But, it still doesn’t equate to a promise. And, it assumes that Congress, who supplies funding for veterans’ care and disability compensation, understands what is “moral” and has the fortitude to commit to an “obligation.” Those are two dangerous assumptions.

But, this verbal posturing leaves us where we began. There is no promise to veterans. The government can’t keep a promise that was never made. And, it’s not realistic to assume that they are breaking a promise they never made.

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Larry Scott served four years in the U.S. Army with overseas tours as a Broadcast Journalist in Korea and the Azores and a stateside tour as a Broadcast Journalism Instructor at the Defense Information School (DINFOS). He was awarded DOD's First Place Thomas Jefferson Award for Excellence in Journalism. After the Army, Larry was a news anchor on WNBC Radio in New York City. He receives VA compensation for a service-connected disability. Larry is a regular on the Thom Hartmann show on Air America Radio. Today, Larry resides in Southwest Washington and operates the website VA Watchdog dot Org.

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Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee.

UHC

All of this goes away if this country, like all other civilized industrialized countries, would provide Universal Health Care.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1262 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 2:34:11 PM
 


I am a freelance writer located in New York City.  I am also a Certified Lay Speaker in the Metropolitan District, New York Annual Conference, United Methodist Church.  I am considered a Jewish Christian or Christian Jew, whichever you prefer, having been Bar-Mitzvahed in 1970 into the Tribe of Levi (making me a Levite).  Plus, I'm the son of a Holocaust Survivor.
Kenneth BarrI am a freelance writer located in New York City.  I am also a Certified Lay Speaker in the Metropolitan District, New York Annual Conference, United Methodist Church.  I am considered a Jewish Christian or Christian Jew, whichever you prefer, having been Bar-Mitzvahed in 1970 into the Tribe of Levi (making me a Levite).  Plus, I'm the son of a Holocaust Survivor.

Same old, same old

While I believe the promise was made, your point is entirely well taken.  The American Legion, VFW, DAV, JWV and CWV are more intent on maintaining their charters than truly standing up for the veteran.  Why are there so many homeless veterans, shuffling from place to place and ignored by society at large?  Why does it take a monumental battle just to get a crumb of benefit from the government?  We need to turn our backs on the established groups like the Legion, as I have done, and become active in organizations such as VoteVets.org.  After all, it was only after the establishment of the V V O A that  the Vietnam vet got anything out of this government for the service they performed.

by Kenneth Barr (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 77 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 3:34:41 PM
 


I am a 74 year old Retired Military(USAF)member spending 20 years, 1951-1972 as a photographer.My duties extended from taking photos of airforce members chopped up by a RC-121 (Connie) propeller to processing under clean room conditions, film from U-2s flown over mainline China....Served from Germany to Japan to Africa...Now I spend my time buying vintage cameras on eBAY and restoring them for my collection....I am a member of the MRGRG (Military Grass Roots Group) seeking the promised but not p...

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momoI am a 74 year old Retired Military(USAF)member spending 20 years, 1951-1972 as a photographer.My duties extended from taking photos of airforce members chopped up by a RC-121 (Connie) propeller to processing under clean room conditions, film from U-2s flown over mainline China....Served from Germany to Japan to Africa...Now I spend my time buying vintage cameras on eBAY and restoring them for my collection....I am a member of the MRGRG (Military Grass Roots Group) seeking the promised but not p...

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WHAT PROMISE TO VETERANS?

Larry, Are you really that ignorant of the Promise made, or have you written this article, to get comments from Floyd Sears, myself, and I am sure by now many others that know of the promise stipulated in Floyds website......In my mind you must know of the promise,otherwise why would you write such an article? You can't write an article unless you know at least something of the topic..Anyway, thanks for the lead in.......You bring our quest before more folks, hoping some will join us and belabor the congress to do the right thing stated in the US 11th District Courts comments when this case went before them...

by momo (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 4:10:13 PM
 


US ARMY VET NAM 67-68
TED PEERUS ARMY VET NAM 67-68

promise

Larry,
If you can get ahold of a 50's to 70's recruiting manuel you will find it in there. It was one of the "Perks" recuiters used durning that time.

Ted Peer

by TED PEER (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 4:25:28 PM
 


Larry Scott served four years in the U.S. Army with overseas tours as a Broadcast Journalist in Korea and the Azores and a stateside tour as a Broadcast Journalism Instructor at the Defense Information School (DINFOS). He was awarded DOD's First Place Thomas Jefferson Award for Excellence in Journalism. After the Army, Larry was a news anchor on WNBC Radio in New York City. He receives VA compensation for a service-connected disability. Larry is a regular on the Thom Hartmann show on Air America...

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Larry ScottLarry Scott served four years in the U.S. Army with overseas tours as a Broadcast Journalist in Korea and the Azores and a stateside tour as a Broadcast Journalism Instructor at the Defense Information School (DINFOS). He was awarded DOD's First Place Thomas Jefferson Award for Excellence in Journalism. After the Army, Larry was a news anchor on WNBC Radio in New York City. He receives VA compensation for a service-connected disability. Larry is a regular on the Thom Hartmann show on Air America...

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The Courts Have Said....

For those who keep trying to say there was a promise...and tell of recruiting brochures and such...  The Courts have ruled that those did NOT constitute a promise of any kind.  It's time to stop living in the past and face today's reality that there was no promise...there is no promise.

by Larry Scott (26 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 4:29:27 PM
 


I am a 74 year old Retired Military(USAF)member spending 20 years, 1951-1972 as a photographer.My duties extended from taking photos of airforce members chopped up by a RC-121 (Connie) propeller to processing under clean room conditions, film from U-2s flown over mainline China....Served from Germany to Japan to Africa...Now I spend my time buying vintage cameras on eBAY and restoring them for my collection....I am a member of the MRGRG (Military Grass Roots Group) seeking the promised but not p...

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momoI am a 74 year old Retired Military(USAF)member spending 20 years, 1951-1972 as a photographer.My duties extended from taking photos of airforce members chopped up by a RC-121 (Connie) propeller to processing under clean room conditions, film from U-2s flown over mainline China....Served from Germany to Japan to Africa...Now I spend my time buying vintage cameras on eBAY and restoring them for my collection....I am a member of the MRGRG (Military Grass Roots Group) seeking the promised but not p...

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Promise's made, promise's not kept

 Here is what the court said.........truth is truth, no matter how one trys to misrepresent it.........For more on the subject, go too: http://mrgrg- ms.org/

 

United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

99-1402

WILLIAM O. SCHISM and ROBERT L. REINLIE,

Plaintiffs-Appellants,

v.

 

UNITED STATES,

Defendant-Appellee.


IV. Conclusion

We cannot readily imagine more sympathetic plaintiffs than the retired officers of the World War II and Korean War era involved in this case. They served their country for at least 20 years with the understanding that when they retired they and their dependents would receive full free health care for life. The promise of such health care was made in good faith and relied upon. Again, however, because no authority existed to make such promises in the first place, and because Congress has never ratified or acquiesced to this promise, we have no alternative but to uphold the judgment against the retirees' breach-of-contract claim.


Federal judges have a duty to uphold the Constitution and the laws, even if that means making unpleasant or unpopular decisions. Congress, on the other hand, has the power to make law, not simply to interpret and apply it. As our predecessor court said:
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# Congress has the power and authority under the Constitution to establish a system for the payment of retired pay [for military service members] and to change the system from time to time. . . . We understand and appreciate the dissatisfaction of the plaintiffs with the change in the retirement pay system, as they have rendered long and faithful service to our country in time of peace and war. However, if they are to get any relief, it must come from Congress, as this is not within [a court's] jurisdiction.

Abbott v. United States, 200 Ct. Cl. 384, 390 (1973). Perhaps Congress will consider using its legal power to address the moral claims raised by Schism and Reinlie on their own behalf, and indirectly for other affected retirees.

For the reasons stated above, the district court's grant of summary judgment for the government is

AFFIRMED.

by momo (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 5:17:41 PM
 


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Like priests promising salvation

There are no promises made to veterans except the self-same bluster that they accept from their leaders to be true.  I think it was Napoleon who said that a soldier would do anything for a ribbon that he would never do for money.

 Priests make a similarly empty promise of salvation, if you would just fill their coffers with gold. Leaders say what followers want to hear.  That is the secret behind all power.

 Like the old saying, "let the buyer beware."  We have war because soldiers support war as voters, families, frightened and gullible and revenge-seeking individuals.  They believe in war, and therefore they make war.

 Soldiers have my pity, but they do not deserve any special privileges.  If joe citizen isn't entitled to health care, a pension, discounts, a parade, etc., then neither should a soldier, a politician, a teacher or any other government bureaucrat.  Why should working people be forced to support a double-standard of proud and arrogant power-mongers?  Why should the people be serfs to the government's appetite and mismanagement and its ever-growing pool of self-satisfied personnel?

 Pride comes before the fall. What makes us unique is what lies we believe before we come to face the reality of our own mirror.  Soldiers have their set of lies, others have another set.  But one thing is sure, you are only a victim of what you freely chose to believe.  If you think of yourself as a victim, then you haven't come to terms with your mirror, yet.  Many seek to blame others for their own choices.

 Liberty cannot be won by the barrel of a gun or through a ballot box.  Liberty can only be won through understanding: know thyself.  One cannot lose what they never had.

 War is the toxic combination of fear, pride and greed.  When the war ends, these things do not end, they just separate.  Another generation is born, and the same old lies are repeated again. Fathers lie to their sons, and another generation is seduced by glory and greed.

God is the only one who can keep his promises, not the government, the church, a business, etc.  Organizations are only interested in themselves, the concept, not actual people; just as soldiers think of themselves as "veteran" rather than as citizen, or human.  They see themselves as "saviors" of others, deserving recognition and privileges.

 What would we do without the tinkerer who builds the gun, the priest who tells us who to shoot, and the leader who shoots the gun?  :-)

by Steve Consilvio (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 7:04:43 PM
 


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Appalling Travesty

After reading "WHAT PROMISE TO VETERANS?" I must admit that it is true legally, but not morally or ethically. I have to tell you Congress and the courts are wrong on this issue. As a Vietnam era veteran, I was promised free medical care at VA facilities for the rest of my life. Retirees got free health care for their families and themselves at military facilities. Since I was receiving $45.00 a month to start, I took the trade-off. I was scammed just like all the rest at the time.

My military service was just as honorable as those serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, recently wounded or not. All veterans deserve what was promised at least. To now have Congress and the courts say that they no longer have any liability to past veterans is insulting and demeaning.

Now to say that my care would deprive disabled, new veterans illustrates misplaced priorities in the defense of our nation. Senator Craig (Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), Ranking Member, U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs) wants us to have to choose between dollars and honor. A Walter Reed fiasco results, not surprising.

The VA now wants to focus on the returning wounded vet, discriminating against those veterans that just so happened not to be disabled while on duty. There is honor in service to your country, not just for those unfortunate to be disabled. Veterans do not need to be pitted against each other. Not taking care of our veterans and not keeping our nations's promises undermines our readiness. When young adults approach me regarding military service, I have to be honest, their trade-offs are different today. To me, that is a shame and we wonder why we have problems recruiting.

We can not afford to fight our wars on the cheap, scamming the veterans to bear the burden. Whether all of us realize it or not, this nation belongs to all of us, not just those that fight and die for it. In a recent email from Senator Craig, he states the focus of the VA should be the recently wounded veteran. He can not understand why the VA should open the doors to all veterans (even though studies show less than ten percent would utilize the VA medical facilities).

Recently wounded veterans used to be taken care of by the military healthcare system and not released from care until able to return to duty or medically discharged. Now Congress allows the military to outsource this care to the VA. Maybe we should change the name to Disabled Veterans Administration since we are going to abandon all the rest of us. Combat disabilities should not be worth more than those hurt in non-combat roles or zones. VA benefits should not be based on a roll of the dice. A veteran is a veteran is a veteran. Do not segregate us. Choose honor before dollars.

If VA funding is to made just on dollars alone, a better idea would be to privatize the VA and sell the medical benefits as insurance to veterans. I bet that way we would never would have had a Walter Reed disaster and the taxpayers of this nation would be completely off the hook. But then, you will need to start looking for some bodies to fight our wars.

"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceived veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by our nation" George Washington -- YOU OWE US!

by Ron Robertson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 8:48:57 PM
 

 

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