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April 23, 2008 at 00:57:46
To Impeach before Nov 4, Do Something Different, Quickly! by John Kennedy Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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I get the impression from reading impeachment articles on OpEdNews that many of you believe that if we could achieve the impeachment of Cheney or Bush that it would improve our standing in the international community tremendously. We agree and also do not think we will ever begin to control the war mongers in either party unless we cause one to be impeached very soon, before the November election. Perhaps realizing that Congress itself is the current clear and present danger to the Constitution will help. If Congress takes an oath to defend the Constitution and does not, it is the enemy of both the Constitution and the people. I am not proposing rebellion, but how are we to get their attention? A prominent local member of the Colorado peace and justice community asked me recently why we are going after Udall saying that surely we don't want the Republican to win the Senate seat. I replied No, we don't want Schaffer over Udall, but if pressuring Udall within a hair of losing the election will get one or more of our Colorado Congressmen to come out for impeachment, we'll take the risk." We think it is worth the risk of losing one or two Democratic Congressmen across the country. The Colorado plan is to pressure the weaker Democratic Congressional candidates, the ones in tight races for either House or Senate. We think that will put pressure on both the "tight race" Democratic Candidates themselves and the "safe seat" Dems as well to support impeachment hearings. It is to Rep. DeGette's advantage to have a higher number of House seats held by Democrats, it affects Committee assignments and senority, and her power and influence. We have been protesting at our Congressman Udall's state campaign headquarters, at public appearances, at even Republican events where we can get our point about Udall noticed. We even protest against Udall at the offices of other Colorado Democratic Congessmen like Rep. DeGette. Since we have started down this path the honking at our impeach protests has easily quadrupled. We think the voters are aware that the problem really is our Democratic Congressmen and they are glad that we are doing something about it. We recently had feedback from the Udall campaign via a well known local Democratic blogger and rabid Udall supporter asking us to back off. The plan is working here. We are asking all activists across the Country to consider changing your emphasis from the anti-war path to that of challenging the fitness for re-election of all Democratic Candidates for the House or Senate based on their not protecting the Constitution and Separation Of Powers. Sticking to this one point will help us teach the public about the necessity for protecting the Constitution by Impeachment and for doing it now. 
And why haven't we caused impeachment?
We've marched, protested, fasted, are holding strikes, vigils, sit-ins, die-ins and god knows what else to no avail whatsoever as long as Congress ignores us. The media, wanting access and good treatment from Congress, will also ignore us as long as Congress does.
What can we do that is different and radical enough to get action by Congress?
In Colorado we have done over 110 impeachment events in 14 months, all of which have been ignored by our Colorado Congressmen. We have tried to learn from that and come up with a plan that could cause our Congressmen to pay attention.
Our conclusion was that we need to find the Democratic Congressmen who are running for re-election or for the Senate and are in tight races and campaign against them primarily on the point that they are a traitor to their oath when they do not rise to the defense of the Constitution and call for Impeachment Hearings. If they won't defend the Constitution they probably won't do a good job of defending the rights of the voters. You get the idea. We are campaigning against Rep. Udall using harsh language. We also say he is betraying and diminishing the power of Congress itself if he does not defend it against the executive branch.
Our Colorado Congressman Udall is running for the Senate. According to a recent poll there is 2.6 % between him and his Republican opponent. We need only move the public's perception of him by 1.31 percent to get his attention. We believe that it will take a lot less money, people and effort to do that effectively than trying to persuade Congressman from "safe districts" to impeach. We believe that with enough pressure either Udall or one of the "safe seat" Congressmen will change their mind on impeachment.
Getting the US House to hold impeachment hearings would go a long way to putting some steel in their collective spine for our other goals and would help restore much needed influence of the peace and justice/anti-war community.
We think that the Democrats will add to their majorities in the House and Senate no matter what pressure we activists put on them. It is more a matter of affecting the extent of that increased majority. No Congressman wants to be the one to lose by a few votes and that could happen to Udall. And more importantly, no senior Congressman wants to lose a Chairmanship they have enjoyed for the first time in 10 years, or if they are anticipating gaining a Chair, having it snatched away at the last minute by rabid protesters. We think it is possible to build on all Congressmen's fear of losing by attacking the weaker candidates. It is not just about one candidate's race but about the percentage of Democrats in Congress. We can worry all of them by challenging that percentage. 
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Let's keep our eye on the ball
If the dismal circus of the Clinton impeachment attempt has taught us anything, it is that any impeachment proceeding is a massive diversion of resources and distraction of attention from the real business of the republic. No matter how just impeachment would be, no matter how much Bush and Cheney deserve it, we cannot afford to dilute our attention to the critical matter of electing a progressive president and congress that can at least start pulling us back from the abyss. Bush has often talked about securing his place in history. The irony is that he has done just that, and is too stupid to realize what that place is. That may not be punishment enough, but it is still substantial. by Jim Stinson (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 76 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:18:04 AM  (0+)
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Reply: John H Kennedy is 100% Correct
"impeachment proceeding is a massive diversion of resources and distraction of attention from the real business of the republic. No matter how just impeachment would be, no matter how much Bush and Cheney deserve it, we cannot afford to dilute our attention to the critical matter of electing a progressive president and congress that can at least start pulling us back from the abys" Anyone who believes this has a short memory. The author is right we tried electing progressives to congress in '06, but did they end the war or funding the war. No both have increased. Everyone needs to join John K. protest he is 100% right. We need everyone to join the GENERAL STRIKE 9/11/08 (www.votestrike.org ) Lets wipe that smile off of Bush's face! by chris rice (111 articles, 144 quicklinks, 35 diaries, 233 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:41:58 AM (0+)
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Reply: Getting Real
When I was a very small boy, roadside Burmashave signs still existed. Here's one: Here lies the body of Bill O'Day, Who died maintaining the right of way. His way was right, his case was strong, But he's just as dead As if he'd been wrong. You are all right: they should be impeached; but I stand by my prediction of what that would do to our progressive effort. As for the Democratic majority that has done nothing, first, that majority is far too thin in the Senate to be truly effective; and even in the House, it is mighty skimpy still. Secondly, everyone's right that too many Democratic hacks and whores are still playing the same old games. They have to be "educated' (There's nothing like the prospect of being evicted to concentrate the mind) or replaced. In my home state of Oregon, I'm working for Novick, a progressive candidate for senator who is running in the primary against the hack candidate hand-picked by our hack democratic governor.THAT is how we change things, rather than by long fulminations full of ee cummings typography. by Jim Stinson (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 76 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:42:11 PM (0+)
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Reply: History would beg to differ with you,
"I stand by my prediction of what that would do to our progressive effort." History would beg to differ with you, every time there has been an impeachment for honorable reasons ( and even dishonorable in Clintons case), the Party bringing the Impeachment in the House has always won in the following election, you do want the Democrats to prevail in November? "As for the Democratic majority that has done nothing, first, that majority is far too thin in the Senate to be truly effective;" Oh come on, it only takes a simple majority vote (Dems have the majority) in the full House or in the Judiciary Committee to Impeach the President or Vice Presicent. Impeachment is done in the House, Removal is Done In The Senate. CLINTON WAS FOR ALL TIME "Impeached"..... He was just Not Removed. "Secondly, everyone's right that too many Democratic hacks and whores are still playing the same old games." "Right on.. "They have to be "educated' (There's nothing like the prospect of being evicted to concentrate the mind) or replaced." That is why we are advocating all of us pressuring them on "honoring theri oath to protect the Constitution". Turns out they are mighty sensitive on that topic. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:37:39 PM (0+)
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Reply: You need to do something different
The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Don’t like what you see, sue! Hopefully you know a liberal judge. I can assure you they courts will not ignore you and maybe they will issue a finding that an impeachment hearing should have been held. God, that would be good. Impeachment only means the person can no longer hold a public office. File suite to disqualify your current representatives from being placed on the ballot for the next election for failing to up hold their oath of office. Nothing, again NOTHING, will make a representative shake in their boots more than not being able to run for office again and again and again. Hold them accountable. by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 990 comments [34 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:51:29 PM (0+)
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Reply: WE ARE Doing something Different! Pressure the DEMS!
The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." "Yeah... That is what I keep telling the anti-war and peace and justice groups.... You failed to stop the Iraq War from Starting, and now 5 years later you have failed to stop it!!! Isn't it time to try something DIFFERENT!!! Like pressuring the Dems who controll Congress into holding Impeachment Hearings? "The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Yeah, like the DLC and Blue Dog Dems always trying to vote like Republicans and in the process selling all other Democrats down the river! "Impeachment only means the person can no longer hold a public office." Pretty powerfull medicine when applied to a Congressman "Nothing, again NOTHING, will make a representative shake in their boots more than not being able to run for office again and again and again." EXACTLY... That Is Why We ARE Challenging Them Directly on the point that "They are Not Qualified for remaining in Congress If They Do Not Honor Their Oath Of Office AND call for impeachment Hearings". "Hold them accountable." We are Working on that, AND Believe We Can Do It by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:23:21 PM (0+)
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Reply: I think the work & Effort that Chris has made is awesome!
That said, I still stand by my belief that if we wait until 9-11-2008 it will be too late. Chris has made all of the right moves, however, if we examine how fast this country is moving toward a total police state, especially now that Patreaus is head of CentCom, it is imperative that we move as quickly as possible. There is one group of people that could force Congres to move almost immediately, in my estimation, within two or three weeks. Impossible you say? Absolutely not! Diesel is now over $4.00 per gallon and the truckers are hurting even more than the everage American. If we can get to them, which we could do with a concerted effort, they could literally shut this country down within days! We could urge them to allow essentials to get through, medicine, and other goods that if we withheld them, could result in the loss of life, which we don't want to happen. BUT, if they would simply park their trucks in places where they would tie up traffic, refuse to deliver goods to stores, etc, it would bring the country to its knees in a matter of days. We need to strike now, while we still can, and take back our country. I posted an article that hasn't been approved for Op-Ed News yet, but it went over extremely well at BuzzFlash, and please allow me to post one comment that appears there in regard that piece: It is several pieces melded together, and when you evaluate all of the material, it is readily apparent that we may not make it until 9-11 and get even close to the support that we need to make a general strike effective. I am behind Chris 100% with his idea and extremely hard work to try and get a general strike started, but please, consider all of the facts and look at the writing on the wall! The time is now everyone - and if we fail to understand how critical this situation is, besides losing our own freedom, there will be millions of others in the global communuity that are likely to starve to death, and no, I am not being melodramatic. When I first began harping on pople to stock-up on food and other essentials almost two years ago, I was branded as an alarmest and radical; no one is uttering those words now, and the disaster that is looming before us is there for all to see. I wish to God I was wrong, but I wasn't, and if we don't grab this tiger by the tail and hold on for dear life - there may be none, or very little in the future. The truckers may hold the key, and most of them are mad as hell anyway and they are struggeling just as much as the rest of us if not more. Anyone that has any ideas on how we can expedite this strike, even if it's not a "general strike", then I urge you to please come forward and let us hear your ideas. Anything that will help to get this movement into immediate action may save lives, possibly your own and even those of your own families. Wiliam Cormier by William Cormier (152 articles, 11 quicklinks, 21 diaries, 418 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:21:14 AM (0+)
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Reply: I still stand by my belief that if we wait until 9-11-2008
"I think the work & Effort that Chris has made is awesome!" (JK Agrees) "That said, I still stand by my belief that if we wait until 9-11-2008 it will be too late." John Kennedy AGREES.... "Chris has made all of the right moves, however, if we examine how fast this country is moving toward a total police state,... it is imperative that we move as quickly as possible." ABSOLUTELY!!! So lets all get out there and Pressure the House Democrats on their "no longer being qualified to hold their office given that they will not protect the Constitution by calling for impeachment hearings.". "There is one group of people that could force Congres to move almost immediately, i.....the truckers are hurting even more than the everage American.... they could literally shut this country down within days!" Possible, but doubtful... they are divided as well, doesn't mean that they or you shouldn't do it, just means that don't expect this or stikes or boycotts to accomplish your goals. Direct action toward Democratic Congressmen will! Challenge their fittness for office. We must threaten the re-election of Congressmen. That is the only thing they fear. Losing the power, losing the perks, the influence. They are scared to death of us! Use your power Now... It Goes Away on Nov. 4th ATTACK ! by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:43:21 PM (0+)
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Reply: Yes We Can Impeach!
Thanks for the support. "Anyone who believes this has a short memory." The author is right we tried electing progressives to congress in '06, but did they end the war or funding the war. No both have increased. Everyone needs to join John K. protest he is 100% right. We need everyone to join the GENERAL STRIKE 9/11/08 (www.votestrike.org ) Lets wipe that smile off of Bush's face! Good luck with the Strike Idea. Unfortunately I personally and honestly do not believe anyone out there will notice if we do strikes or boycotts ( BUT, do it anyway if you believe it's right to do) , either Congress or the Media. But if we Attack the "fittness for office" of any Congressman who refuses to "honor his oarth and defend the Constitution" we will have'em by the B*##s. Soldier on buddy! by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:27:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: We can't afford to wait
"...we cannot afford to dilute our attention to the critical matter of electing a progressive president and congress that can at least start pulling us back from the abyss. Bush has often talked about securing his place in history." Bush has not yet secured his place in history, in his view. The attack on Iran will be the next step. On the contrary, we cannot afford to wait for the inevitable. Good luck electing ANYONE once Martial Law is imposed and the elections are cancelled. Bush has enacted laws that allow for Executive Branch takeover of the entire Federal government, and I don't believe he did that so that a President Obama or a President Clinton could implement them. Do you? Doesn't he worry that continuing to chart the NeoCon vision in the Middle East will drive his approval rating even lower than it's present record low, and further tarnish the image of the Republican Party and it's nominee? Ask yourself "WHY NOT?" by Digitboy (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:13:10 PM (0+)
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Reply: pressure your Representative. Question their "fitness"
We can't afford to wait "The attack on Iran will be the next step.....On the contrary, we cannot afford to wait for the inevitable. Good luck electing ANYONE once Martial Law is imposed and the elections are cancelled." by Digitboy I agree... Too Much Danger in Waiting.. we must act now to pressure all the Democrats in the House "individually and Locally" by questioning their "fitness for office" if they do not honor their oath to protect the Constitution. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:49:41 PM (0+)
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Reply: Interesting comment, Jim
Just how far has Nancy Pelosi taken us with her Democratic majority? And now, you propose to avoid protecting the Constitution, simply in order to 'save the nation' by not taking our eye off a Democratic victory. What am I missing here? One of us is nuts. by Jim Freeman (108 articles, 53 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 386 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:32:05 PM (0+)
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Reply: Get real: Protecting the Constitution "is" more important
Of course protecting the Constitution and separation of powers are more important than the election. Our Congressmen are supposed to be able to do more than one thing at a time and so are we. As for "If the dismal circus of the Clinton impeachment attempt" , that effort was reflective of the base reasons for doing it in the first place, the hatred of the GOP for Clinton. Clinton did embarass his Party and damage the office of the Presidency. Even a Democrat can see that even if it was a personal matter, he did lie about it and give the GOP the opportunity. "any impeachment proceeding is a massive diversion of resources and distraction of attention from the real business of the republic." Get real... the Constitution is the foundation document for our Nation. If you won't protect the integrity of the Constitution what will you protect? "how just impeachment would be," and "no matter how much Bush and Cheney deserve it", Well if it is just, and you believe in the rule of law, why aren't you screaming for impeachment hearings today? As for "electing a progressive president and congress" The Democrats will win a larger majority regardless of what we activists do. We are just proposing limiting the size of that majority by one or two Congressmen to gain some leverage over them on impeachment. Besides, if they change their mind on impeachment we'll all be out there carrying their Campaign Signs just before the election. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:19:14 PM (0+)
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AND THE SKIES ARE NOT CLOUDY ALL DAY
WE can fear the p*ssy-bility of having varied and sundry persons testify to illegal laws, illegal actions, illegal conspiring, illegal money taking, illegal threats, illegal force, illegal surveillance, illegal use of intelligence, illegal vote fixing, and many I can not think of now, or that I have never dreamed about. But why should these be any things to waste time with when we have an illegal war and illegal occupation, and illegal puppet governments to try and obfuscate the reality of our tragic situation. Why would the puppet government of the USA be any different than the puppet regime in Iraq? How superficial these items are compared to the hand to hand combat of sounding important, and then rolling over to play dead. The corpses in the Senate and Congress that are becoming to smell of rigor mortis are unprepared to act as their offices command them to protect and defend the Constitution. Wolfie wishes to Philly-buster Rocky, if he would knock these dead men and women walking into consciousness! by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:20:38 AM (0+)
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Reply: How does this help us find a solution, Wolfie?
How does this help us find a solution, Wolfie? by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:54:49 PM (0+)
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Reply: PUBLIC Campaign Financing-only!
That's all folks! woolie-eyed wolfie has no seeing eye dog, nor crystal ball to fetch. by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Monday, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:06:40 AM (0+)
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Forget 'ball gazing.' SNAP out of it. TALK to EACH OTHER.
Hellllooooo !? We already elected a Democratic majority, and NO, they DID NOT pull in the reins ... from the abyss. Do the same thing again, the trolls say. Get the same result, I say and common sense says. It is time to do something NEW. We only got 4 minutes to save the world. UNPLUG Congress. ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Congress corrupt --------- MassMind --- MEDIA --- is the SHIELD --- between --- us & Congress --- Us peeps , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Destroy the media, Destroy the shield. It is so easy, and saves us money: BOYCOTT Cable TV ! ! ! ! ! Congress can go 2 years without our vote. Cable TV can NOT GO 1 month without our money. While TV will NOT air our message, then make them NOT air ANY MESSAGE. Turn OFF the gxxdxxx mxxxxxxfxxxing TELEVISION. TURN it OFF EVERYwhere we see it. CANCEL all Cable TV SUBSCRIPTIONS. Keep our money in our pocket. BANKRUPT TV. SHUT it DOWN. Then Congress cannot talk to us, from their bunker. Nobody's listening. Congress cannot buy campaign ads -- TV is SHUT DOWN, all blank black. TV cannot charge for selling ad time -- the AUDIENCE ratings is ZERO. We keep our money. We have more free time, every day, to ORGANIZE. COORDINATE TOGETHER. Vote in a BLOC of voters. BANKRUPT TV and then Congress does not know what we are doing. Start NOW. Start CANCEL all TV Payments. BOYCOTT Cable TV. TURN IT OFF !! DESTROY the SHIELD chickenshxt Congress IS HIDING behind. While we are at it, CANCEL newspaper SUBSCRIPTIONS. Then they can't sell ads. --- There are (allegedly) 100 million Cable TV payments a month. Maybe half, 50 million are businesses making TV payments; and half are homes. 100,000 CANCELLATIONS is about all it takes to BANKRUPT Cable TV. Go for 500,000. Go for 1,000,000. And KEEP GOING. Start NOW. Start TV media PANIC. Start Congress PANIC . HERE is the NEWS TO TV: IMPEACH the War Criminals NOW, or We, the People are going to ___flat_line____ TV and Congress. by meremark (1 articles, 3 quicklinks, 30 diaries, 572 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:32:40 AM (0+)
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Reply: Can't do it yet, though.....
The NFL Draft is this weekend. by Matthew Griffin (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:18:39 AM (0+)
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Reply: Surely the Constitution is more important?
Surely the Constitution is more important? by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:01:30 PM (0+)
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Reply: MAY NOT WORK EVEN IF PEOPLE DID IT
I have thought about this idea a number of times, but I concluded that cable would then be offered for some other form of payment. Since Reagan's deregulation of the MSM, ads have continued to chew up more and more programming time, not to mention that they are sent at higher decibel levels than the programming. But the MSM is so essential to brain-washing the American public that our ruling elite will be sure we choose to watch it. If that means more commercials, or federal subsidies, or flat out taxation, we will pay for it and; therefore, watch it, regardless of whether we temporarily turn it off. by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 537 comments [52 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:32:22 PM (0+)
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Reply: It is time to do something NEW
"We already elected a Democratic majority, and NO, they DID NOT pull in the reins ... Do the same thing again, the trolls say. Get the same result, I say and common sense says. It is time to do something NEW" Hey meremark, I agree! by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:59:16 PM (0+)
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I totally agree with Chris Rice ..
Build up a yellow red white black global movement DEMANDING impeachment. Get out the Americocentric thinking and pay attention to the WORLD demand for justice. Get out the word on what is really happening and make a movement to get economic sanctions against anyone supporting this bloodless coup that took over in 2000 - with the blessing of HiLAIRy Clinton who could not run herself. That great manager who is supposed to put America on track - in fact that one she PUT off track, using a voter base of dependent personalities to get her to be the RULER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD. the way to HURT them who supportr her is sto cripple their pocketbooks. People are STILL capitulating all over themselves. (look at Ralph Nadar, folks@ GEt over your resentments, that way lies hope, real hope.) NOT ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS DESERVES support if they do not support that strike at this late date. The actions of Ron Paul are absolutley disgusting and yet people KEEP GIVING THIS MAN MONEY!! I write constantly, resolutely for impeachment - I don't get a single dime and NO support from supposedly antiwar "activists" Yet I get ignored again and again because I live in povery in exile. I know what it took to end the Vietnam war - I was there I was active even then. The biggest thing that worked was showing pictures of babies who were born with agent orange and the massive energy coming from returning troops who said ENOUGH! We never got the General Strike we were after, but we sure tried hard. Now we have winter soliders whose voices were lost to the MSM but they are available to be heard. We have IAVA.org exposing the homelessness and abuses and releasing the number of those actually harmed in Irak (the du numbers are not fully known yet, btw) So lets show people the pictures of 9 year old prostitutes working Syria to be breadwinners . victims of Saudi rich guys in bars. Let's show people pictures of orphanages in Baghdad orpaniges, and the du babies in Afghanistan. This is no time to "make nice". And the general strike day, the url information to appoint a special prosecutor should be given out, just as I posted it, here on OpEd News. The IMPORTANT information contains the international laws that apply that can help us build a rainbow coaltion. We need environmentalists, those who are losing them homes, people sick of racism, all human rights activists, people who have been living in fear of a war in Iran, or Syria, people who are truly sickened by the genocide in Gaza, children who want a future, those opposing the truly toxic Texas fence .. Forget Keith Olbermann. write and demand he cover the general strike and demands impeachment himelf!! then support him. Write Jonathan Turley. red, white, brown, yellow and ALL global citizens involved - it really is a matter of now or never as who knows what it next. To depend on the Democratic part at this late stage of the game would be laughable if it were not so tragic. THERE IS NO LEADERSHIP THERE. The attic of the democratic party where the progressive believe hope can be had is NOT ENOUGH. Too late, Jose. When someone attacks the US or tortures a US soldier the US cycnic has only themselves to blame .. no more finger pointing at everyone in the BuZh adminstration; it's a culture condoning TORTURE of every living thing on this planet if you just cuddle yourself with PHONEY CNN news. A brief real veiw of what is happening globally that economic stimulus checks can not buy moral responsibility in an insane world. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ladybroa_080411_we_al_l_need_to_be_o.htm Put the entire thing on CDROMS, hand it around -- this is important information. Get your neighbors involved, take it to churches what ever you NEED to do, not what you WANT to do - -that way lays DYSFUNCTION. I have been around long enough on this planet to see that SEXISM, systemic SEXISM is still around and florishing and I get totally ignored here on a supposedly progressive site. But for the sake of me, my sons, my grandchildren, I am appearling to everyone who reads this thread. Read that information, dispense it, sign my global citizens petition and pass it around! It is absolutely disappointing to see how few signed my petition, a real heart breaker and IT SHOULD NOT BE SO. And lastly, write th ICC yourselves, tell them of your complaints. Also call the ACLU and tell them not one more penny and no membership until they release their impeachment brochure. FOR SHAME! they add to people's cyncicism, they are NOT doing the right thing. Our motto should be DO THE RIGHT THING - and it should go right across the board and bring people together at last. That means THEY do the right thing as WE do the right thing. http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/genera_ladybroa_080215_special_prosecutor_i.htm http://ladybroadoak.blogspot.com/search/label/Blackwater And I specifically refer you to this item: http://ladybroadoak.blogspot.com/2008/01/blackwater-legal-remedy-recommendation.htm Commencement of Impeachment Proceedings ThinK; They are all riding in Limos, while your relatives are going homeless to fund this INSANE and DELUSIONAL war. They are polluting YOUR skies with chemtrails, feeing you GM foods, asking you to stay IN DENIAL. I posted the first link to the ILWU strike . the feds are all over them as racketters !! Why is the DoJ paying for THAT instead of going after the gubbermint? Why is John Yoo not charged with crimes? Why was Valerie Plame outted and no justice has been served? Call up members of the National Lawyers Guild in your town, get them to hand out information with in the malls, SERIOUSLY. Now ist NOT the time for cycnicism and excuses. Please sign this now to show her WE MEAN BUSINESS!! http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html To: U.S. House of Representatives Online Petition to Remove Pelosi as Speaker of the House of Representatives by Scott Creighton My OWN global petition demands signatories now!! Here is the link: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/global-people-for-the-impeachment-of-richard-cheney There is NO REASON to fear signing this now: The mainstream media has now turned the momentum in our favor!! And please don't put online petitions DOWN, they are IMPORTANT educational tools -and the Feds hate them, trust me. Take all this and make appointments with your state's attorney general and tell them .. we will get rid of you if you don't uphold your oath of office. The NLG should be visiting California's AG very shortly over the John Yoo issue. STAY TUNED, stay up, stay on their case. STay focussed; my best advice. The Bilderbergers meet in June, the crazies in government are trying to get sweet trade deals for themselves, the torturers aren't punished, the nation is on it's knees and you say SITUATION HOPELESS. Don't buy it. Think global, think local act out against the regime as best you can. All I can do is put out pamphlets . and I do it on a very skinny dime but I do it everyday, so can you. This is the fight of a life time. Rage, rage against the dieing of the light! DO THE RIGHT THING. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:30:04 AM (0+)
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Reply: Dancing without the stars
I do not watch television. I have not for twenty years. Even pre computer ownership. But my wife can not exist with out the boob tube, so we pay 50 smackers a month for her to watch old sit-coms! Since she would dis-embowel this rag -a- muffin schnowzer if she lost the ability to zone out, let her enjoy! She doesn't give a hoot about OEN or any other site, liberal nor conservative, she would rather see the internet be rended from our lives. For every wacky wolfie, there are hundreds of the Missus like drones. (but she's my sweetie drone). I love her and I will fight for her safety and well being, which includes the boob tube time! Wolfie wends his way toward aceptance of what is, yet seeking what may be! A large meaty bone in every bodies pot! by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:50:01 AM (0+)
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Reply: How does this help us find a solution, Wolfie? #2
How does this help us find a solution, Wolfie? #2 by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:14:23 PM (0+)
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Reply: A truckload of yammering is a poor substitute for action
Lots of ideas can be a good thing but nothing we've tried has worked. How about trying a new method for a change. Directly challenging your local Democratic Congressmen on the basis that they are "unfit for office" if they do not protect the Constitution by calling for impeachment hearings... with slogans like Is Congressman Udall a Traitor to his Oath if he refuses to protect" our Constitution". Amazing how sensitive Congressmen are when you link their name to the word "Traitor". Try the method, you'll like it. It wastes less energy because it focuses your efforts directly on the Congressman. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:12:35 PM (0+)
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Public Opposition to Dems in Tight Races is Our Only Chance
In Colorado we impeachment advocates were seriously considering creating our own "Hold Hearings Petition" until We realized it wouldn't be nearly as effective as doing public opposition against the Democrat in our state who is in a tight race for the Senate (Rep. Udall). The Democratic Leaders in the US House have ignored the Wexler petition that had over 230,000 signatures. They will ignore "anything we do" except direct opposition to their candidacy. They expect that we are so terrified of having a Republican in office that we will do nothing to directly challenge them for re-election. And most of us don't bother, So there is no reason for them Not To Ignore us. Challenging incumbent Democrats for re-election (for not honoring their oath and not protecting the Constitution and Separation of Powers) is the only effective tool that we have that has any chance of being effective in getting Impeachment Hearings started before the November Election. We have been doing this by showing up at public events, at his campaign headquarters. at Republican events even, with signs saying "Is Udall a traitor to his Oath"", "Udall refuses to protect our Constitution", "Will Udall protect your rights if he won't protect Our Constitution?"... anything along that line works well. We also do a lot of "commenting" on newspaper articles and editorials where one can connect the subject matter to Udall and not protecting the Constitution. Very few are aware that he is refusing to honor his oath and refusing to protect the Constitution and the power of his branch of government, the House. Doing these type of comments provokes some interesting discussions and drives the Udall campaign nuts. This is working. This method, using negative signs at events and at campaign offices and doing commenting on related newspaper articles needs to be done in every state throughout our Country. And when you see someone else doing it you (and all your friends) need to pile on, join the original commenter and agree that the Democratic Candidate in question is not honoring his oath to protect the Constitution and is not therefore qualified to be in Congress. We can have Impeachment of Cheney! What we all have been doing to achieve impeachment should have worked but has not. We need to learn from this experience of failing. We need to change the way we are advocating for Impeachment. We need to go on the attack against all Congressional Democrats who are in tight races everywhere in America. This is the only way you and I will get their undivided attention. Unless they want to lose their races, they will pay attention, and hold Impeachment Hearings. The Democrats will have a much larger majority after the coming election. A couple of Democrats losing in November is a small price to pay for achieving Impeachment and protecting the Constitution. But You have got to step up and do it. Oppose them. Stop being their buddy. They are not your friend. Until they hold Impeachment Hearings they are your enemy. Act Now Before It Is Too Late! by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:18:05 AM (0+)
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Reply: BEST IDEA
I have heard for forcing impeachment hearings, which will not only set precedent, but make the Republicans look at their very worst at just about the time of the November election. The Democrats' failure thus far to hold impeachment hearings when literally thousands of felony counts could be brought against Bush and Cheney is what separates them from Republicans. Republicans held hearings and impeached over a sexual escapade, the reverberations of which still resound, while Democrats are too timid to hold hearings when the President and Vice-President act as if they were running the mafia, rather than the United States. by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 537 comments [52 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:00:28 PM (0+)
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Reply: "BEST IDEA I have heard for forcing impeachment hearings,
"BEST IDEA I have heard for forcing impeachment hearings, which will not only set precedent, but make the Republicans look at their very worst at just about the time of the November election. " Like other impeachment advocacy groups we have tried everything but this is the only one method that seems to have an effect on Congressmen, campaigning against them by bringing up the fact that "they are unfit for office if they do not honor their oath to protect the Constitution and call for impeachment hearings". It is working here, it can work for your group. Try it. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:22:38 PM (0+)
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Reply: Yours is a good idea
if you can get enough committed impeachment activists to target Democrats in enough marginals hard enough. You must be willing to have Democrats lose to get impeachment. To be honest John, and I don't wish to discourage your efforts, I don't think there are enough activists willing to do enough to get what you need. Please prove me wrong. by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:45:04 PM (0+)
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Reply: Willing to have Democrats lose to get impeachment?
You must be willing to have Democrats lose to get impeachment. The Democrats will increase their majorities in the House and Senate no matter what we activists do. What we are doing is to campaign against some of them so that while we may lose one or two of them nationwide, the fear of losing that it creates in all the Congressmen will get us impeachment hearings. With larger majorities a couple of Democratic Congressmen less, who will notice, but if it gets us impeachment, History Will Notice! by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:31:13 PM (0+)
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To get impeachment you have to have hearings
and for specific articles of impeachment to be properly prepared. You have to get impeachment on the table in the House Judiciary Committee currently chaired by John Conyers. And the House Judiciary Committee including John Conyers apparently wants impeachment to die quietly in an overlooked corner so that it doesn't harm the Democratic parties chances of getting their candidates elected. Without Conyers being willing to have hearings of the sort that Wexler called for there will be no impeachment. Conyers committee is absolutely crucial. The members of the House Judiciary Committee are politicians and will make choices about what matters they pursue and what matters they allow to die for lack of attention based in very large part on what the American people the voters tell them is important. John Conyers doesn't need the intellectual case to be made for having impeachment hearings, he knows it. For impeachment to happen John Conyers needs to be more confident that the American people want it. Currently he is presuming they don't want it that badly. Not in numbers that matter. Anything from peaceful protests to civil disobedience to getting arrested and even assassinating or attempting to assassinate representatives for failing to defend the constitution against domestic enemies will raise the profile of impeachment in the media in competition with other issues and will increase the likelihood of impeachment occurring. A lot of noise needs to be made to get the attention of the electorate and to get the electorate and media talking, even if they are talking in disapproval. Once that happens impeachment sells itself on its merits. The books are already written what is missing is the political will. by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:31:21 AM (0+)
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Reply: You want herrings?
There will be no hearings! There will be no backbone to these jelly-fish, afraid of losing what may be. When you live ,predominantly, in the past or future you lose the NOW. This is all we have. If not now, then when? It can not happen, it will not happen, these dreamers are living the night-mare of now, which precludes any semblance of reality. Pelosi and Reid, thumb their nosies and screed their mumbo-jumbo of "it's off the table! Did not Magritte paint "an umbrella on chance, meeting a sewing machine" Perhaps our congress-persons could imagine a constituent meeting a real representative of their wishes. Instead we get red herrings caught in the net of unreality by a fish-net stalking! Wolfie would like his herring with cream sauce and an onion or two. by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:03:02 AM (0+)
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Reply: How does this help us find a solution, Wolfie? #3
How does this help us find a solution, Wolfie? #3 by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:11:17 PM (0+)
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Reply: Solutions to the problem!
If Nancy, Harry and the rest are the problem, then keep the problem without equivacation as the true reality. Impeachment by congress is out of the question! Let's hold a mock court to mock them with. A mock defense, a mock deliberation, a mock verdict, a mock sentence and a mock reporting of the mock justice. But do not mock my words. This is a trial run that the world will folow as a template. To the Fictors goes the spoilers! Impeach or get out of the way! We have been mocked too long! Wolfie mockingly laughs at this mockery of reality we hold a candle to the a light unto the path of glory. by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:02:42 AM (0+)
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Reply: Solutions to the problem!
If Nancy, Harry and the rest are the problem, then keep the problem without equivacation as the true reality. Impeachment by congress is out of the question! Let's hold a mock court to mock them with. A mock defense, a mock deliberation, a mock verdict, a mock sentence and a mock reporting of the mock justice. But do not mock my words. This is a trial run that the world will folow as a template. To the Fictors goes the spoilers! Impeach or get out of the way! We have been mocked too long! Wolfie mockingly laughs at this mockery of reality, while we hold a candle to the light unto the hidden path toward glory. by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:06:02 AM (0+)
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Reply: Copy of email sent to the Secret Service. Have a nice day.
Copy of letters sent to the US Secret Service 04/23 and 04/24/08 Hi Ryan, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan, this is the possible threat that someone named Brett Paatsch wrote as a comment on my article on http://OpEdNews.com entitled
The Constitution and rule of law are very important to us and apparent threats such as these will not be tolerated by myself or our coalition. We respect public officials and those in law enforcement and try to always conduct ourselves in a lawful fashion. This kind of comment detracts from what we are doing and is just down right scary. We will report any/all such threats to your office or the FBI.
by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:26:23 PM (0+)
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Reply: What would you WANT the authorities to do HERE exactly?
Mr Kennedy, those excerpts from my post you call statements actually have question marks on the end. Like they would if they were questions. Your "Can you do something about him", on the other hand doesn't. What do you want the Secret Service to do about me? Extraordinary rendition without habeas corpus from Australia to Gitmo as an enemy combatant ? Torture maybe? Mr Kennedy, if I am not on a watch list then I am probably not doing and saying enough. Impeachment is the overriding moral issue of our times. by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Friday, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:15:33 AM (0+)
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Reply: I am going to keep the pony and name it Impeachment
I am going to keep the pony and name it Impeachment by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:30:26 PM (0+)
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There will be no impeachment because...
hearings would reveal accomplises on both sides of the isle. Just for sh*ts and giggles check out who of our congress critters are personally invested in war profiteering companies like Haliburton and Lockeed. Lot's o' Dems in that group aren't there. Hmmm by erik mouse (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 106 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:27:42 PM (0+)
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Reply: Demanding hearings could redeem Congressmen of either Party
Cheney & Bush lied to everyone about WMD, including GOP Congressmen and Senators, who would have an interest in rehabilitating their Party and disciplining their right wing extremists, the Democrats who were certainly hoodwinked by C & B, using the patriotism of Congressmen to con them about Weapons of Mass Destruction is greviously wrong. 4,000 American Soldiers Died and over 30,000 were greviously wounded for those Chency/Bush LIES. Democratic Congressmen especially could redeem themselves with the Party's Base by calling for impeachment hearings (or permanently drive a wedge between themselves and the Base, if they don't). It is an opportunity the Dems should consider. The Base is not going to ever forget the Democratic Congressmen who refuse to call for hearings. I personally could accept that a Dem Congressman might, after holding hearings and weighing the evidence, might decide that there were not impeachable actions to impeach, But not even holding hearings is Not Acceptable and is not right by the Congressman's oath. Not going to forget. Not this time. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:48:22 PM (0+)
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Wiping the Slate
Congress is not the answer. It has never been the answer. The entire system is corrupt and broken beyond repair, and thinking it can be fixed internally by playing by the same old rules is a waste of time and energy. A wiping of the slate is needed in the form of a massive scandal, the likes of which only things such as 9-11 Truth or UFO Disclosure could initiate. by Bill Cain (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 434 comments [67 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:09:34 PM (0+)
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Reply: We voters are part of the reason the system is busted.
We voters need to get involved and demand the Congressmen listen to us. We need to compaign against the Democratic Congressmen in tight races on the basis that they are a traitor to their oath if they do not protect the Constitution and call for impeachment hearings. We believe this is one thing we can do that will get impeachment done before the election. We have the power to do this only before the election. After, is too late. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:55:23 PM (0+)
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To Impeach
To me, what is significant is that Dennis Kucinich had a prepared 50-page articles of impeachment on George Bush, but after a meeting with Conyers and the Judiciary Committee, he did not present it. Rep. Wexler is the only person on that committee still speaking for impeachment. Perhaps it is only to clear the way for Barack Obama, who opposes impeachment. Perhaps it would incriminate some Democrats. At a very long guess, I think it is possible that the president is holding "another 9-11" threat over their heads - in which case, people like Conyers and Kucinich have the safety of others to consider. There is a time-line. On or about April 10, George Bush acknowledged in an ABC-TV interview, that he had approved members of his cabinet plannings on torture - a violation of international law, and well as the Constitution. Civil libertarians immediately raised the cry on the Internet. Two days later, George Bush casually mention that if another 9-11 were being plotted, it would come from Pakistan, not Afghanistan. My recommendation: Send a message to Congress: IN CASE OF ANOTHER 9-11, IMMEDIATELY DELIVER GEORGE BUSH AND HIS TORTURE COLLABORATORS TO THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT FOR LEGAL TRIAL. Another need: We must show Congress we mean business on election integrity. Beat the drums for Voter Photo IDs at the Board of Elections; for voting receipts (the reason we can trust touch screens at banks and supermarkets is because we get a receipt); and most of all, for a paper record and public witness of the vote counting at every neighborhood precinct immediately after the polls close. Bang the drums! PAPER BALLOTS - PUBLIC WITNESS! by MyTwoCents (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 36 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:35:59 PM (0+)
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Reply: Kucinich' Bush Impeach Resolution was dropped after pressure
"To me, what is significant is that Dennis Kucinich had a prepared 50-page articles of impeachment on George Bush, but after a meeting with Conyers and the Judiciary Committee, he did not present it." I understand that Pelosi was there as well. I think we need to really push these two to do the right thing. Very curious that Kucinich is so quiet. Lots of impeachment advocates sent him money for both Presidential and Congressional Campaigns. Be good to not betray us. "Perhaps it is only to clear the way for Barack Obama, who opposes impeachment." Pressure is needed on Obama as well but more carefully, he is not in the House and cannot file an impeachment resolution. "Perhaps it would incriminate some Democrats." They can rehabilitate themselves by calling for impeachment hearings. by John H Kennedy (12 articles, 7 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 281 comments [19 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:06:42 PM (0+)
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It just doesn't matter
Blame Congress,, blame the Senate, blame anyone you care to, they don't care and they never will. Why not? because they know that even if there are hearings,which there won't be, only Bush or Cheney would be impeached, not both and even at that, they will still finish out their offices. They would only be two pieces of crap thrown to the wolves for the cause. What cause? The cause of the moneymakers who have already taken our government. They will still have it with or without Bush and Cheney. There is no one solution, not impeachment, not strikes or boycotts, not even assasinations which would give our government back. There is only one answer and everyone knows it. A revolution led by the remainder of the government, those who haven't been bought, those who have the balls, backed by the military and the people of America in which the guilty parties are literally dragged out of office and indicted for war crimes and treason and a true example made of people or corporations who would dare, in the future use coup d'etat to take control of our government again. Have you ever seen the Manchurian Candidate? It was a simple solution to the same problem except for the fact that there were very few people involved in that conspiracy. This conspiracy reaches far into our government, treasury and corporate world. Granted, it was only a movie but art imitates life and aside from the brainwashing we have the same situation. Just substitute the mind control with sheer greed. In the movie only a couple of people went down, in reality there are many more.They played hard, we must play harder. Until everyone who really wants our government back quits crying for impeachments and demands the respectable and honest members of our government to step forward and move at once with massive arrests there will be no more United States of America. We need arrests and indictments on a massive scale. Anyone who claims that there is not enough evidence is either stupid or implicated. Sound preposterous? It is, so is this situation and the fact that we've allowed it for so long. by PeterJ (16 articles, 3 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 236 comments [53 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:01:10 PM (0+)
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Called Conyers Office (again)
... and (again) got the same old responce. "Mr. Conyers can't do anything unless a majority of congress backs impeachment," in that same old tired-of-answering this question voice. To which I replied that near 70% are in favor of impeaching, to which she said only 33 have signed on to impeachment, meaning that a great majority of our representatives aren't representing us. If indeed, impeachment is a ground-up deal than we need to pound our represntatives hard. And I mean hard! Not just emails, letters and calls, but groups need to be formed and sit-in their hall-ways until our representatives do what we want. And we can't let them get off by giving us lame excuses for not doing so. If they don't back impeachment -m we don't back them - period. by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:30:35 PM (0+)
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Reply: Or they are representing Americans not impeachment activists
only 33 have signed on to impeachment, meaning that a great majority of our representatives aren't representing us. In proportions that mirror the political will of the people. OpEdNews was involved in organising a poll that asked if people supported or opposed the actions of some members of the House Juciary Committee to have impeachment hearings on Dick Cheney. Most opposed. That was a recent finding from around February this year. Most Americans are not connecting the dots. They don't see that impeachment is for them, that it is about the preservation of the social contract that gives them all their legal rights. by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:55:29 PM (0+)
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Conyers Aches for Impeachment
Conyers pursued the theft of the 2004 election, particularly the decisive part in Ohio. He wrote a book about the travesty. He has stated that he would like to impeach. Basically, there are too few senators to successfully impeach any Republican, never mind Bush and Cheney. Ergo, Pelosi won't do it. I've considered the idea that impeachment would force the American people to see the evidence and finally understand what has happened. But that is dependent on a MSM that does not hide or obfuscate. We are also dependent on an election process based on unsecured computer systems which Congress just voted against securing because $600 million was unaffordable. My guess is that the Bush administration intends to rain a nuclear holocaust on Iran right after the general election. We've got a Catch-22 here no matter which way we turn. It is not Bush staying in power but those supporting the power behind Bush. Those in control of the Republican Party are plotting for all they are worth because they fear both the restoration of law as well as losing more of the opportunities to loot the the US taxpayers and the world. 2008 cannot be business as usual, if it ever was. by Pat Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 84 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:03:42 PM (0+)
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Reply: Then Start the Hearings
Conyers has publicly stated that there is nothing is standing in his way of beginning hearings and that it is his decision to make. He has the power to begin hearing immediately - the impeachment matter was referred to his committee. I have no sympathy for him, he's one of the cowards in Congress and another reason its time to start over. by August Adams (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 585 comments [11 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:24:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: Those tortured or killed as collateral damage of
American foreign policy under President George W Bush ache worse than Conyers. Cheryl Biren Wright and Rob Kall have reported on this site Conyers position on impeachment in his own words. Conyers is not leading on impeachment , he is, to put things most generously to him, after taking his own comments on the public record into account, waiting to be lead by the people. He is filling a seat, the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee, that the cause of justice both in America and in the world could benefit from having occupied by a more courageous man. And whilst Conyers waits, the office of the President of the United States is inhabited by a war criminal and a torturer determined to brazen things out in the hope that his cronies will prevail and will get to write the history books. by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:23:54 PM (0+)
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Interesting Point
Have the members of congress disqualified themselves from running for further public office? They have in fact violated their oath of office by not supporting and defending the constitution. It would be interesting for disqualification suites to be filed in their perspective states to disqualify them from being a candidate for further public office. by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 990 comments [34 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:28:37 PM (0+)
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Reply: Only if that determination is made
Operating within the law requires that the appropriate determinations be made by those given the power to make them under the Constitution and within the law. Just as one can't impeach a President in the court of public opinion alone, the Congress must do it, a congressional member cannot be disqualified from running from office on the desires of some citizens. The courts or the congress have to rule on such matters. And citizens have the responsibility to take such matters into those forums. I am not a United States citizen so I can only appeal to United States citizens to take the courses that are open to United States citizens and not to me. The United States made promises to the rest of the world that it would not torture and that it would not launch aggressive invasions. From the standpoint of the people of the rest of the world the last point of appeal to uphold our common law is not to politicians alone but to the citizenry of the United States who have the power to prosecute by using their system. If the citizens of the United States don't hear our plea and action it then we, the aggreived people of the world whose contracts have been broken have no lawful recourse left. And it becomes, as a matter of logic, about jungle law. by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:53:37 PM (0+)
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I have different thinking
I do agree with many ideas; however, I do NOT agree with knocking out the already sitting Democrats(Kucinich being one of those). There are THIRTY sitting US senators(Dem) that have been building and building case after case against the Administration in commission hearings. I have been watching those hearing faithfully on C-SPAN --yes, Cable TV. With all the hearings they have had, they have enough to arrest--yes--arrest the jungle monkies in the Whitehouse. Will they? Maybe not before November BUT, it is a start to eventually pull them down. If we lose the Democrat majority, we are screwed of EVER finding out info in hearings. Don't forget there was NO OVERSIGHT during the years of Bush before the '06 election--none! Therefore, I disagree with the plan to attack our Dems in Congress. I do think, however, that if Gulob, the woman running against Nancy Pelosi, could and will put impeachment on the table for sure. She has vowed in her campaign to do just that. See, Nancy Pelosi is the obstruction of the impeachment. She can call for hearings any time if she wants. She hasn't and won't. Therefore, push, contribute if you can to the campaign of San Francisco's House of Representaive race, Shirley Gulog. She can beat Pelosi if the nation supports her. PUSH her... announce her...run your mouth off about Shirley Gulog for Congress! As far as "civil disobedience", that could work. However, with Bush's Act of "homegrown terrorism", they could throw us all in the can. Many ways to conduct civil disobedience. Don't pay your taxes(risky). Cause traffic jams all over the USA. Boycott cable or whatever. All in all, it must be the citizens that make the GREAT impression and light a fire under the spineless Democrats butts. Attacking our Democrats will backfire in my honest opinion. Then we will have a republican majority AGAIN, and look where that got us. by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 592 comments [98 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:49:56 PM (0+)
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Reply: Nancy Pelosi with her impeachment is off the table position
is indeed the most public face of opposition to impeachment. She is speaker of the house. You may treat this question as rhetorical if you like, I just want people to ask themselves. What do you suppose would be the consequences if Pelosi was assassinated for breaching her oath to defend the constitution against all enemies including domestic ones? Do you think impeachment would be more or less likely to be on the table? by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 1308 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:29:47 PM (0+)
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"And now it's time for something completely different!"
Yes, I AM a Monty Python fan and I support impeachment: Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1111 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:07:40 PM (0+)
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An Impeachment Caucus in the House would help a lot...
If the House members who support Impeachment formed a new Caucus, and had a press conference on the steps of the Capital, it would be too dangerous for MSM not to cover it, they would have to. ....And that would break the silence on MSM about Impeachment and could start a national dialog. This is the key to breaking through. The cowards in Congress won't act unless not acting is worse for them. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jibbguy_080215_we_need_a__22rebel_all.htm by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) (17 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 360 comments [54 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:29:56 AM (0+)
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I have done everything on your list and more. I few years ago. I began to buy nothing but the necessities. I canceled CABLE my baseball seasons tickets, I bought a DSL phone, cutting my phone bills by 80%, installed geothermal HVAC, saving 90% on my heating/cooling bills, it made no difference to me that the payback may be years off, I did it just to screw over the oil companies, because the gas we are paying $3.80-$4.00 a gallon for, costs the oil companies only $00.03 a gallon, yes three cents a gallon. I go to few movies, and I don't rent any either, instead I buy used VHS/DVD's. I own none of the materialistic things my friends own, though I can better afford them than my friends. I do all of this not because I am a cheapskate, because I am generally the reverse, I do it to screw over the corporations who outsource and th ose who have supported the sonsofbitches who've wrecked America. I strongly suggest that Americans support the reinstitution of dueling, with the recommendations in my next article. by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1317 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:30:24 PM (0+)
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This is a dream
John, soon after the Dems took control of Congress, for months afterward, I urged impeachment. It seemed like such a no-brainer. Today, that simply is not going to happen. If the House launches an impeachment probe during an election year, despite the mountain of evidence, this could come across as self-serving. Worse, it could result in the Bush clone, McCain, being elected as a result. I sympathize with you, but it is too late. by Sandy Shanks (27 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 60 comments) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:11:15 PM (0+)
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