I have read Obama's book. The Audacity of Hope is a peculiar title designed to fracture into it's constituent words in your memory. The book is full of "well on the one hand, but on the other" dodges and feints. The language is good, sometimes full of itself, sometimes having the appearance of a different editor, perhaps a committee. Like the horse designed by a committee, Barack's book, like himself, is a camel, Dromedary, one hump.
Obama believes that it would be improper to impeach Dick Cheney, because (and I am paraphrasing now) impeachment should be reserved for serious crimes, intentional crimes, not for simple mistakes. Pundits who like Obama agree with him, but they bring in the added nuance that if impeachment were to be brought against Cheney, it would be the second administration in a row in which impeachment "brings the government to a standstill."
Okay, the logic of this statement is that because the Republicans brought Clinton up on purjury regarding his sex life, Cheney gets a Get-Out-of-Jail Free Card because he succeeded Clinton. (Yes, I know Bush succeeded Clinton, but we know better now, don't we!) The logic and reasoning is ludicrous. If Cheney has committed "high crimes and misdemeanors or treason" he MUST BE impeached. It is not optional!
The other thing about Obama's statement is that it seems to ignore the Constitution. This is what the Constitutions says:
The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.
Obama is a Senator, so it is a bit "previous" of him to be spouting off about something that he might well be asked to deliberate upon soberly and without prejudice!! This is typical of a Barack Obama position, however. He takes all sides and avoids the problem of standing on principle.
I suppose you could say that Obama was merely trying to sabotage the campaign of Dennis Kucinich whose introduction of Articles of Impeachment against VP Cheney forces all candidates to think about their position on the issue. (Remember, by the way, that Kucinich was unaware that Cheney was obstructing justice, violating federal law regarding records, and declaring himself to be above the law.)
Obama should have said something like this:
Articles of Impeachment have been filed by my colleague in the House, Representative Kucinich. If his action results in an actual impeachment, I will be required to sit as a juror on that case, therefore, I will not comment further.
Obama was not smart enough to say something like that, so now we have the problem of a presidential candidate who was odds-on to be a VP selection, now demonstrating his lack of judgement, and for my money eliminating himself from further consideration for national office.
JB
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"The other thing about Obama's statement is that it seems to ignore the Constitution. This is what the Constitutions says:
"The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment."
"Obama is a Senator, so it is a bit "previous" of him to be spouting off about something that he might well be asked to deliberate upon soberly and without prejudice!! This is typical of a Barack Obama position, however. He takes all sides and avoids the problem of standing on principle."
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Barack Obama is a Senator, therefor is uninvolved in the proceedings of the House of Representatives. Clearly James, when you contradict yourself in your own article, within a paragraph of your last statement you have to wonder if you can editorialize with a credible claim to journalistic integrity.
Your claims that Obama is sabotaging the campaign of his colleague Dennis Kucinich are laughable; a man on top of Q2 fund raising for the Democrats and far ahead in the polls of Dennis Kucinich fears no threat from him. His efforts would be better spent working against his chief rival, Hillary Clinton. And for a candidate who promises a clean campaign by accepting NO money from lobbyists and refusing to ever go negative, that would apparently be a lie from the Obama camp. Why hasn't the press called them on it?
Next time you choose to write for this service check your facts, review your own article before you publish it, and take back your credibility from the person who twists the facts to meet his own editorial ends.
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Paul Youngberg (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments)
on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 10:54:08 AM
You are apparently still groggy from your Saturday night on the town. There is no contradiction here. Senators do not impeach, they are jurors, intended by the Framers to be sober judges of whether the Articles of Impeachment delivered by the House of Representatives are true and, if true, indicate the need for removal from office. Read it again, then apologize.
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James Brett (80 articles, 95 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 82 comments)
on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 11:05:59 AM
However, I still feel that your evaluation of Obama's character was over generalized and lacked concrete observations of character. He is in my studies the candidate who displays the most moral fiber, and is least willing to compromise to win votes. In standing for his progressive ideals and refusing to accept donations from lobbyists, big donors in medicine, gun control, and education, and the simple fact that he refuses to go negative in any leg of his campaign- a fact proven in his election to the Illinois legislature against Allan Keyes in 2004- Obama has shown that he, unlike other Democratic candidates, isn't willing to negotiate his values for political points. This is why he's surpassed all the other Democrats in fundraising for Q2. Not because he's hit up the most big Democratic donors (the Clintons obviously would have the support of most of them), but because he's run the largest grassroots campaign in the history of canidatial activism, with 250,000+ donors to thank.
So, if you're willing to dismiss this man based on your belief, "He takes all sides and avoids the problem of standing on principle," show me a Democratic candidate who has. Someone who's refused the money of the corporate interests. I don't know who. Obama is the only candidate that comes to mind.
Clearly I've already made up my mind on my choice of presidential candidate. I would be greatly interested however in what your criteria in your presidential candidate is, and I would like to hear any more arguments you have against Obama. My eyes are open.
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Paul Youngberg (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments)
on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 1:47:59 PM
show me a Democratic candidate who has. Someone who's refused the money of the corporate interests. I don't know who. Obama is the only candidate that comes to mind.
You will find that Dennis Kucinich has consistently shown that he does not have any corporate strings attached. He has also taken consistently principled stands including introducing articles of impeachment against Richard Cheney in the House.
Also, you will find that Obama had the highest number of $200+ contributions over 15000. This accounts for 78% of the money raised so far. 49% of the money he has raised comes from people who have contributed $2300 or more. Are you one of these donors?
This is a clear indication that Obama is representing moneyed interests, and not the common person.
Since you are equating the ability of a Presidenial candidate's ability to raise money to their "Electability," you are implicitly saying that no one shall get elected to Presidential office, who is not beholden to moneyed and or corporate interests.
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Bleeding Heart Liberal (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 12:18:20 AM
The above figures were from the quarter ending March 2007. Obama outraised Clinton this last quarter ending June 30th. Obama Raises $31M, Surges Past Clinton
I am willing to bet that most of that money came in $2,300 checks -- and that would account for the statements coming from Obama's mouth.
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Bleeding Heart Liberal (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 11:29:15 AM
The only way I can come up with that would reduce the influence of monied and corporate interests is real campaign finance reform- which I will outline below. However, this would still not lead to a solution to political corruption and bribery -- an example of which is the Duke Cunningham case. Jack Abramoff and lobbyists are another problem - namely "Legal Bribery"
It appears that money is needed by a politician to get his/her "message" out to the masses, and hence has to raise the money to do the needed "education of the masses." It also appears that a vast majority of the population have little money to spare. So the solution appears to lie in a version of public financing of campaigns. The Supreme Court of the US has in its wisdom decided that money equals free speech. The logical extension of this thinking is that the rich are more entitled to free speech than the less well endowed. So how can the playing field be leveled?
One answer is to give every legal resident of the US an equal number of "Free Speech Dollars" (FSD's) which are theirs to spend as they see fit in any political campaign of their choice. But the question remains as to how would such funds be disbursed. The answer to this question is that political candidates and political organization would have to go to the church and union halls to garner those FSD's No longer would such fund raising be limited to the living rooms of the wealthy elite.
The core fund would be financed by tax contributions and volunteer contributions to a central fund by "Good Corporate Citizens" who would therefore have no say in where those monies were ultimately disbursed.
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Bleeding Heart Liberal (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 12:06:54 PM
My essay is really about one thing--Obama's thoughtless remark. In the past in American politics it has taken much less to ruin a candidacy. Ask Michael Dukakis! or Musky! Thomas Dewey and scores of others. The thoughtlessness is out of character with his obvious intelligence and, in one sense, out of character with his triangulating strategy, i.e., to stay "above" the issues with a sort of Olympian pragmatism. Until recently, a couple of minor flaps, I thought Obama would be an excellent VP candidate for the Gore ticket. Gore is my hope, audacious as that might be! He is the front-runner on Day One of his announced candidacy. He is a proven vote getter ... after all he did win both the electoral and the popular vote, but lost to the unscrupulous Supremes. Now I am going for Richardson as the VP. This is a good unity ticket and both men are unbelievably well prepared for these offices.
Judging from your comments I would say to you and all Liberals and Progressives keep your powder dry and wait before sending lots of money in to the candidates. Running a campaign this early is absolute foolishness and will benefit the Republicans who have corporate coffers behind them.
Yes, some Democrats have corporate supporters. They are a major problem for the Party and in the long run will either have to change their source of income or turn into Republicans. The No. One issue in America is campaign financing. The No. Two issue is lobbying and the turnstile from elected office to K Street.
Finally, impeachment is in the Constitution as a check against one branch of government--the most likely--becoming destructive of our system of government. The Executive is the most dangerous branch because it is the one with all the agencies that touch the American people. Republicans campaign that they are for limited central government, but look at them!! Nixon and Bush have done more to expand the Executive than any, arguably even more than FDR, than any in our history. Impeachment cannot be ignored. It must be in play always.
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James Brett (80 articles, 95 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 82 comments)
on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 2:08:51 PM
there's only two reason such a remark is made -- either it is truly believed or it is planned pandering to the segment whch defends Bush. I doubt Obama ever made an 'off the cuff' remark. He went to visit AIPAC and shortly thereafter said he would support a preventative attack on Iran (while running for Senate). You can't believe what he says: he is an opportunist -- he could have a great used car saleman.
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Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments)
on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 3:05:50 PM
Obama remarked that impeachment should be reserved for 'grave' breaches of the president's authority. I would like him to describe what then would constitute 'grave." Over 1000 signing statements to ignore the rule of law? Half a million deaths from a big fat lie? Refusing to cooperate with subpoenas? Warrantless wiretapping (FELONY). Of course, then there's torture...
God almighty, what would he consider to be grave breaches? Which brings me to this. I think Obama (and other candidates and members of Congress) ought to be asked publically two questions:
1. Do you believe it was appropriate that articles of impeachment were filed against Richard Nixon? It would put them in a tough place if they said no being that popular consensus is that Nixon was a crook and deserved to be run out of office. They would have a lot of explaining to do. If they say yes, then one could argue that it would follow that Bush/Cheney ought to be impeached. Even John Dean has declared the Bush crimes are "Worse than Watergate." (which was written 3 years ago! there's been a lot more damage since).
2. What do you consider an impeachable offense?
Wait, make that 3 questions: Since you're not pursuing impeachment, are you hoping to be able to abuse your powers while President?
We've got to start putting these politicians on the spot with this impeachment issue.
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Cheryl Biren-Wright (17 articles, 16 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 321 comments)
on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 6:12:25 PM
I will say it again: Obama will be the VP candiate under Clinton; he has already sold out; he IS under the control of moneyed interests; his coments on impeachment of Bush/Cheney revealed his true membership in the Power Elites Club. His impeachment comments also revealed his support of Congress - his justification for NOT impeaching those criminals was to NOT waste the time and energy of Congress, AS IF CONGRESS HAS MERITS THIS KIND OF RESPECT; AS IF CONGRESS HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN WASTING THEIR TIME AND ENERGY????? Maybe, a Gore candidacy might change the equation - though I firmly believe that the Power Elites will pressure Gore to NOT run - because they want a Clinton/Obama ticket.
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Joel S. Hirschhorn (118 articles, 22 quicklinks, 53 diaries, 470 comments)
on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 9:12:19 AM