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December 31, 2007 at 10:29:15

Another "Anti-War" NY Representative Explains Why He Won't Impeach

by Gustav Wynn     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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My father had a sign on his wall saying "Playing it safe is risky business". I've always felt that meant we should always do the right thing, even in difficult circumstances. Then again, I've never been a Member of Congress.

John Hall, freshman Congressman from NY's 19th District was recently asked by a constituent if he supports investigation for impeachment. His reply struck me as being extremely similar to the reply I got from Congressman Eliot Engel in the next district over.

First Hall stated a blanket criticism of Bush/Cheney, speaking of "the wrong direction" and "damage done" in leading us into "a devastating war in Iraq based on misleading statements and false information". He agrees BushCo "undermined the criminal justice system, weakened Constitutional protections for U.S. citizens, and created staggering federal deficits with its misplaced priorities and reckless federal spending. It has condoned the use of torture and illegal wiretapping, and attacked the Constitutional separation of powers." Good so far, right?

But Hall believes we should merely censure the President - for misleading the public about the basis for war in Iraq, for outing Agent Plame, pardoning Scooter Libby, ignoring federal statutes, gagging appointees in Congressional hearings, signing statements, FISA violations, the Alberto Gonzales debacle and more.

Though impeachment hearings would seemingly tie all these things together, Hall does not believe "our country should be put through an impeachment proceeding at this time." This, despite 50% of the population in support of it? Hall continues "Further, it is apparent that no article of impeachment would result in a conviction in the Senate." I wonder how Hall can say this with such surety before the actual presentation of evidence and testimony - is he telling us 'between the lines' that we are wasting our efforts because the fix is in?

Hall writes "The process would be extremely disruptive to efforts to pass substantive legislation to block further abuses by the Bush-Cheney Administration and efforts to pass legislation to help solve problems for American families." In other words, Hall thinks impeaching Bush/Cheney would slow Congress's ability to stop abuses by Bush/Cheney? Here is where I get lost - there must be something in Congressional logic that eludes my "general" logic.

Impeaching Bush/Cheney, in my mind would be an extremely direct way of stopping abuses by Bush/Cheney, especially if they are removed from office. But even if there is no conviction in the Senate, the influence of the White House becomes severely diminished once all the dirt is hashed publicly. Many lawyers, pundits and scholars feel the impeachment proceedings will bring out many important facts, all at once, tying all of these various abuses and violations together - the mother of all hearings.

Hall paradoxically writes "...I was elected in 2006 by voters who urgently want change in Washington, and an end to the disastrous Bush-Cheney policies." He then lists how many areas Bush/Cheney in which must be opposed: fiscal responsibility, homeland security (such as 9/11 Commission recommendations), meaningful ethics and lobbying reforms, alternative energy programs, child health insurance, student loans, etc. But why fight all these battles separately instead of tackling the source of the problem? Read on...

Hall adds he did vote "with a majority of the House to send H. Res. 799-a resolution outlining articles of impeachment against Vice President Cheney, to the Judiciary Committee to consider..." but the bill, after going directly to the House floor "bypassed the Judiciary Committee and would have subverted procedures for introducing impeachment findings...a dangerous precedent for future Congresses. In addition, the resolution itself cited actions which, while outrageous, do not meet the Constitutional standard for impeachment of "treason, high crimes or misdemeanors."

Fellow Americans, this is exactly the reason we need a thorough investigation and official hearings. Either Congress will meet these high standards of evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors during the process, or not, in which case the accused will be exonerated - wouldn't they want this if they were innocent?

But not investigating gives the White House an automatic pass in the face of a long list of improprieties, courtesy of a timid Congress. Reps. Hall and Engel both sound so vague because they cannot come out and say 'we haven't got the juice to do this'.

Some say it's moot, because it's already too late, the preceedings would take too long and that Bush should be allowed to ride out their term, with the torture, wiretapping and defense contract cronyism continuing for another year. Rep. Hall believes the current committee investigations and oversight hearings have "dramatically increased accountability, which was completely lacking in the previous Republican-led Congress", essentially telling us these 'baby steps' are best for us.

Though only in his first term, Hall is already something of a calculating politician, balancing his stands on the issues not on how he ran for office, but what will now keep him there. This is perhaps not so much Hall's fault as a problem with our system, where elections are won with money and support from special interest groups and political friends, not the votes of a discriminated, informed electorate.

Hall knows his Congressional seat is highly coveted by the Republicans who he took it from. He owes thanks to support in his 2006 run to Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Steny Hoyer and others. In return, he endorsed Hillary for President ponderously early in the game, in spite of her poor war record and her lovey-dovey relationship with Entergy, the company that helped Bill Clinton back in Arkansas and who now runs the Indian Point nuclear plant. Hall's watchers question this endorsement because of his (formerly) long history as an anti-nuke activist, helping to raise money and organize celebrity studded music festivals for the cause when he was himself a chart-topping musician.

Rep. Hall has himself indicated he entered Congress "raring to go" but has learned it's more about "consensus-building". Unfortunately, this may be as good as it gets for the anti-war movement. The reality of Hall's district is that it's very purple and he is already under a hot challenge by an Iraq war vet and outspoken pro-war activist whose priorities for the 19th Congressional district in suburban NY are combating "Islamic fascism" and increasing border security to prevent immigration.

Though outspoken against Bush in myriad ways, Hall must believe stopping short of signing on for impeachment will win him votes in his district with moderates, independents or even fed-up Republicans.

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GW is a proud American from NY State, concerned about ethics issues, media manipulation and overconsumption. He has recently changed careers to become an inner city schoolteacher. A firm proponent of curbing overpopulation and international adoption, he hopes to adopt a third child and enjoys history, outsider art, obscure garage rock and vinyl records.

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Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

SOS, America

Great aricle! Thanks for posting it.

I am inspired ---or should I say --INFLAMED to ask: is there no one in America who has balls? As I have written and documented authoritatively in previous articles here, on my own blog, various forums, comments, letters and to whomever would listen: a Federal Judge may convene a Grand Jury upon his/her own motion.

Are there no judges of conscience?

Eilzabeth de la Varga has also prepared an "indictment" of George W. Bush. A former US Atty, her indictment is finely crafted, authoritative, and damning.It involves a narrow range of charges but to piece together the multifaious pieces of this administration's many crimes will require a staff of zealous investigators and attorneys.

A Federal Grand Jury would have sweepling powers and may not be limited to an overly narrow charge. It could subpoena both Bush and Cheney and compare their stories with other facts in evidence. If nothing else, both would be indicted for lying.

What does all this have to do with impeachment, which is, to be precise, a political process?  Naturally, all the evidence turned up by Grand Jury could be made available to a committee to impeach. And when Bush and Cheney are removed through impeachment, the criminal indictmens will be ready to do.

I can only imagine the firestorm when Bush tries to pardon himself.

Then there is the matter of war crimes. Bush has tried to undo those portions of US Codes which make a capital crime of those violations of Geneva which result in death to the victim. It is a safe bet that there is enough evidence to convict on those counts.

Impeachment, removal, trial and conviction are absolutely necessary to lance this puss oozing boil. If Congress or the Federal Courts or both fail to act, the sore will only fester. Already, it can be said that our Republic and the protections of the Bill of Rights have not survived the Bush onslaught. It is certain that unless BushCo is brought to account, they will never be restored. At least, I am not hearing that from the Democrats in the field. All I hear is the same old shat.

by Len Hart (123 articles, 159 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 483 comments) on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 at 9:20:45 AM
 


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PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

Obstruction

The process (impeachment) would be extremely disruptive to efforts to pass substantive legislation to block further abuses by the Bush-Cheney Administration and efforts to pass legislation to help solve problems for American families.

The Republicans and conservative independents/Democrats in Congress are already blocking all efforts to control abuses by the Bush-Cheney Administration and they are blocking all efforts to pass legislation to help solve problems for American families.

It is hard to see how impeachment could make matters any worse on these scores, but an impeachment investigation would demonstrate to the world that some in Congress still take the Constitution seriously. It would also put administration officials on the record and force them to testify under oath. 

Congress as well as many voters desperately need some good civics lessons, and an impeachment effort could at least help in this area.

by PrMaine (8 articles, 5 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 284 comments) on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 at 1:11:31 PM
 


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P4DPolitical activist, primarily concerned with reforming government processes so that the people's voices are heard (voter protection), people have access to the political process (grassroots activism) and rights are protected (civil liberties).

Petition to John Hall on Impeachment

If you live in the 19th CD and would like Congressman Hall to support impeachment, please sign our petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/ImpNY19/petition.html

Signatures on this petition are monitored, so don't bother with joke signatures because they will be deleted. We also ask that only residents of the 19th sign (unless you were a Hall volunteer in 2006 but live outside the district).  Since we put up this petition we've changed our "ask" - we now are asking John Hall to advocate hearings - in line with Wexler - but the petition as originally drafted still has relevance as a monitor of the pro-impeachment sentiment in the 19th CD of NY. 

by P4D (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 at 10:58:33 AM
 

 

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