This is a transcript of a talk given at the Impeach for Change conference, on November 11, 2006, Veterans Day, at the Constitution Center, in Philadelphia, facing Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell.
I want to talk to you about preserving our constitution. Veterans day is about those who fought and died and gave so much and sacrificed, those who returned healthy and those who didn't.
Why did they do that? To preserve, they were told, our democracy, to preserve our liberty, to preserve the benefits this country provides to so many but not to all. And so, it is an extraordinary subversion of the constitution to send people to die, to be maimed on the basis of a lie. Democracy means you trust people to make their own minds up, But this president knew that if he told the truth, that we wouldn't be in this war.
The framers of the constitution of the constitution knew that someday there was going to be a Richard Nixon who was president of the United States and someday there was going to be a George Bush who was going to be president of the United States, and they gave us the power of impeachment to revoke them.
They put in the impeachment clause because they said that we know that there will be presidents who will commit grave and dangerous offenses that would subvert the constitution. They knew that subverting that constitution was the greatest danger that could befall our country. So all of us here have to be soldiers in that cause.
The Nixon impeachment started-- the act that constitutied the basis for the Nixon impeachement-- started with the illegal bombing of Cambodia. Why? Because it was illegal and it was secret, and when the press began to find out about it, Richard Nixon said, "That can't happen. I don't want the American people to know about this. I don't want the congress to know. So we're going to wiretap... illegally." And that then led to all the rest of the illegalities, because he thought, as president, he could do whatever he wanted, and started out the course of keeping that war going and depriving the American people of the truth. Not too different from today.
The American people get it now on the war in Iraq and they get it on the culture of corruption and arrogance in Washington. And they have said, resoundingly, "No. We're going to have change." An if you think this change doesn't include impeachment, you're wrong. Well some of the people who were running the elections, until September, thought that the war didn't count. They were wrong. When they start seeing polls they understand how wrong they are.
Newsweek did a poll two weeks ago. It is a critical poll. It showed that a majority of Americans are open to the idea of impeaching George W. Bush.
What's amazing is that they got it even though there's no discussion of impeachment on the Today Show... , not even the other side. It's a nonentity, it doesn't exist. The mass media hasn't referred to it, except to say "It's a bad thing. It's the democrats." So there's no discussion of impeachment. Yet the American people get it, that this president has subverted the constitution and represents a threat to our democracy.
The interesting thing is, those opposed to impeachment are 44%, and some of those, I believe, were so disgusted by the partisan impeachment conducted by the Republicans the abusive, improper impeachment conducted by them, that they said-- "impeachment, never again." They don't remember how congress did the right thing in the right way, with regard to Nixon.
I want to give you a comparison of these polls with the polls on Clinton, because it shows you where the American people really are.
44% opposed to impeaching George W. Bush. 63% on average, opposed to the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
51-53% open to impeachment of George W. Bush. 26% in favor of the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
This is a huge, huge, important statement. The American people, not for the first time, are ahead of the politicians in Washington. But I want to tell you that the American people can make Washington sit up and pay attention, because they did it once before.
It's important to consider, because sometimes people get discouraged-- Richard Nixon was elected in November of 1972 with one of the biggest landslides in the history of the United States. That's because the criminal coverup was so successful, no was even mentioning that there was anything with the president and his top people and the break-in at the Watergate otel. But that started to unravel and John Dean and others had revelations.
Elizabeth Holtzman, is a former Congresswoman and Brooklyn District Attorney who was a vital member of the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment of President Richard Nixon. She is the co-author, with Cynthia Cooper, of The Impeachment of George W. Bush: A Practical Guide for Concerned Citizens.
www.impeachbushbook.com
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Now that the Democrats won, it is time to straighten up some things, such as the gov't rountinely violating our Constitutional rights.
They violate the 1st Amendment by caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Fix up that, impeach ALL involved and while you are at it, investigate 9/11 a bit more thoroughly.
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Lorring II (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 86 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 6:51:22 AM
This article is disturbing. Not from the standpoint of debating whether impeachment has merit or not but rather given the absolute mess this country is in courtesy of the GOP, where the author's priorities are.
The article's apparent focus on opportunistic ax grinding rather than constructively addressing the issues that mean something to every other American - Iraq, global terrorism, illegal immigration, jobs, tax reform, energy, etc - is unfortunate and disappointing – at best.
As a DMR (Disenchanted Moderate Republican), I solidly endorsed the recent change in congressional leadership. But I did that with the absolute understanding that the next two years the Democrats would commit and demonstrate their new leadership to fixing problems, not opportunistically going for jugulars.
Bottom line, we're in a mess. Let's fix it and worry about personal vendettas on someone else's time – not the American people's.
If the Democrats use their new found power focused on retribution as opposed to moving this country constructively forward, I'm afraid they may seriously jeopardize any chance at moving into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue come January 21, 2009. The next two years have been given to the Democrats to demonstrate the lead by example principle and show how a party should behave and constructively use its power.
So as a starter, rather than hearing her comprehensive plan for impeachment proceedings, I would prefer to see the author offer a constructive solution on Iraq.
I for one and I believe many (ALL) in my peer group, sincerely would like to see new (party) residents in the White House in 2009 - but ONLY if this country is substantively better off in two years than it is now.
Respectfully,
CitizenMV
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Matt Vrabel (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 61 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 1:01:54 PM
if you think that starting an illegal war isn't grounds for impeachment.
There is nothing that the Democrats can do in Congress as long as Bush holds the veto, and nothing that they will want to do as long as they keep getting big fat corporate donations.
You can use a bit more disenchantment, in my opinion. Start by researching 9/11 and watching some of the videos online. Then do some research on how our economy is doing. Read up on the Nuremberg trials. Find out about depleted uranium.
And as for what you and your peers might want in 2009, so long as two brothers own the machines that count most of the votes in this country, you and your peers have no more say in the matter than anyone else. A little research on election integrity wouldn't hurt either.
Some other topics for research that I'd recommend are globalization, multi-national corporations, and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s book, "Crimes Against Nature," about how this administration has been polluting our air, soil, and water. Anyone who calls themself a conservative should know at least a little about conservation. As some wise person put it, "The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment."
When you've caught up and developed a basic understanding of the issues facing this country today, then come back and talk about going for the jugular -- if you're not too busy ripping throats yourself.
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Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 7:36:59 PM
And there's horse shit all over the place. I would suggest that the first thing you do is take the horse out of the house, so it doesn't keep shitting all over the place. I apologize to horses for the Bush analogy.
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Rob Kall (808 articles, 3922 quicklinks, 332 diaries, 1703 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 10:18:18 PM
My comments are not aimed at the issue of impeachment or challenging its merit, and I think or at least I tried to make that very clear. I even re-read what I wrote to make sure. Rather, my point was simply where should the near term dedicated Congressional focus be, which I think, at least in my opinion is to immediately resolve Iraq and save as many American lives as possible.
I could be wrong but my gut suggests to quickly resolve it will require close collaboration between both parties. I just don't think impeachment proceedings "at this juncture" are conducive to that which I view requiring necessary 2 party collaboration. For the first time in 6 years, I think the American people and the Democrats have the Administrations's ear, following its stunning mid term election losses, and I finally have some element of optimism we can end the Iraq debacle sooner rather than later if everyone really tries to work together.
Maybe that's beyond optimism and borders on being unrealistic but its how I feel at the moment.
I would only personally like to see the GOP weakness seized upon and leveraged for some immediate benefit to the families of servicemen and fathers like me with sons in or entering draft age, who wake up in the middle of the night with a nightmare of a new draft, and my sons patrolling hostile back alleys in Baghdad - for no purpose.
I think you can see from all my writings I'm no fan of the Bush Administration, and unlike others with my background, willing to say so. I am a fan of the new Democrat Congressional leadership position as I see it as leadership to take this country in a new and positive direction, beginning with Iraq.
Again, just my humble opinion where the immediate focus should be. I realize its the minority view on this matter, and don't profess I have the magic answer.
Respectfully,
CitizenMV
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Matt Vrabel (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 61 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 11:23:54 PM
When we investigate, prosecute, and punish criminals, it's not about revenge, it's about law. A law is not a feeling, according to The Winston Dictionary, it's "a binding rule of action established by authority with the intent of enforcing justice." When a rule of law has been broken, a crime has been committed. The rules of our nation are laid out in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Anyone who breaks them has committed crimes against America, a nation of laws, not men (feeling). If we as Americans can't stand together on upholding, protecting, preserving, and, in this case, restoring our Constitution and Bill of Rights, the very heart of our nation, then we don't know what it means to be American.
I'm not into putting a band-aid on a dirty, infected wound and saying it will be okay.
Glossing over (refusing to acknowledge, condemn, and do something about) the Bush administration's crimes against America, Iraq, and the world, will never benefit us or teach new generations of Americans (or the entire world) anything about our principles, our U.S. Constitution, except that "it's just a goddamned piece of paper". And guess what? Just a goddamned piece of paper doesn't mean anything.
Don't be a "just a goddamned piece of paper" American, impeach Bush/Cheney, et. al., for the crimes they have committed against our nation, Iraq, and the citizens of the world. America is broken and in disgrace as a result of their greed and ignorance and/or defiance of OUR law. If we love America and want her to ever rise up and shine again in this world, perhaps even brighter than before, we have got to be clear and unified on reestablishing our law, truth, and justice. We've got to clean house!
"Take courage, People. Truth is its own Power. We need only hold fast to it and pronounce it, and we will prevail!"
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Lilydove (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 4:06:14 PM
And your solution to Iraq? I did not note anything of significance in your response about measures/focus/ideas to immediately save American lives.
My priority and most others I believe to be their's too, is the expectation this country's leadership will immediately now focus on the major and most important task at hand - resolving Iraq and saving American lives (not months and months of gut wrenching, tear the country apart impeachment proceedings, regardless of the merit or not, and all while MANY more die) - so I and my kids (and the heroes families) don't have to be absolutely heartbroken watching the 6PM news anymore to hear of more fine, young, teriffic, wonderful Americans being killed - unnecessarily.
I lived through the 6PM news daily body count during Vietnam. I don't want my kids to experience that same memorable horror with Iraq. I hope you don't want yours to either.
So let's keep the priorities right, and where we desparately need Congresional leadership immediately focused.
Respectfully,
CitizenMV
PS I'd be interested in hearing the names of all candidates who pitched/based their recent election campaign (and won) on an impeachment platform. I supported the ones (Democrats) who pitched saving lives. I believe they were most, if not all.
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Matt Vrabel (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 61 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 5:35:41 PM
Iraq is the crime to which impeachment pertains. Cleaning up the crime scene and apprehending and prosecuting the criminals often do take place at the same time. From the recent news articles I have read, there are many fine ideas up and coming to clean up the Iraq crime scene and bring the troops home safely. Not from me, but from those who are educated, experienced, and now in a position to advise and implement such measures. If Bush, et. al., are not apprehended regarding their crimes, the murder of our troops (and innocent Iraqi civilians--over half a million, now) will continue unabated, because the criminals are still at large and still "the decider" for our nation.
Do you really think we can bring the troops home when the president and vice president (who lied and deceived us into a war against an innocent soverign nation) don't want to bring them home? They have been trying to start WWIII, and the people in their "think tanks" have even called their war of aggression against Iraq the beginning of WWIII and WWIV, depending on which stations you watch. Why do you want to keep these criminal warmongers in control of our nation? How is that going to save lives? You simply want congress to tell the criminals to stop trying to steal Iraq's oil (a.k.a. importing democracy) and spilling the blood of our military personnel in the process? When have Bush/Cheney ever obeyed congress? They will just issue signing statements and continue along their bloody criminal way for two more years, killing our troops and Iraqi citizens, and further shreding the shreds of our U.S. Constitution. We need to address the heart of the crime of Iraq, where Bush/Cheney (and neoconservative think tanks) reside, their criminal intent, and standing firmly on law, publicly condemn it for all to see. That will help to bring the troops home with honor, and keep them home because our law will have been reaffirmed and upheld. Either way, yours or mine, the bloodshed is likely to continue for two more years, or longer. Let's do this right, once and for all.
When we brought the troops home from Veitnam, the war was over, but we didn't thoroughly address the causes of it, the laws that were broken, the criminal intent, and so our current leadership has caused this to happen to us again.
I haven't seen or heard of any Veitnamese terrorists exacting retribution against America for our heinous crimes there. Perhaps Iraq will be the same, just utterly relieved to have us and our WMDs leave their country. Getting our troops home is the easy part, enforcing law and cleaning house to prevent similar criminal wars from taking place in the future is the harder part. It will require painfully thorough impeachments for all of us (and the world) to see and learn from. In the long run, it will be worth it in terms of truth, justice, and our security as a nation. It won't hurt our international standing to demonstrate the power of truth and justice on the homefront, reaching to corruption in the highest levels of our government and cleaning it out. We the People are the power behind this cleansing action. I am 100% for it.
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Lilydove (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 7:14:52 PM
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Impeachment is Imperative! When a crime, or in this case, plural CRIMES have been committed, the path to restitution and to correct those wrongs... we must begin by holding the perpetrators responsible for their actions.
Ours has oft been called "a nation of LAWS" for a reason. We track down errant fathers and hold them responsible for paying child support. We prosecute drunk drivers. We arrest college kids for smoking flowers. We even fine jay walkers fer christ sake! Why should we NOT hold Bush, Cheney, Rice and the rest of their cabal responsible for the crimes they so arrogantly committed in FULL public view!? They have violated international law and numerous treaties. They have descimated the US Constitution and soaked the flag of this nation in the blood of their victims.
Just before Bush took this nation to war against Iraq, the LARGEST demonstrations in WORLD HISTORY took place in cities all around the planet trying to get the message thru to those criminals in the White House that their war plans were: ill-advised, unneccessary, illegal and unwanted by the peoples of this Earth... How did Bush respond to the largest "NO" ever heard in history? He said: "Aw, we don't make no policy by focus groups or polls." What arrogance! What ignorance! He then proceeded to CAUSE the deaths of hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people and PERMANENT life-changing injuries to hundreds of thousands more...
Impeachment would be just a start - we have a lot of serious house cleaning to do!
To "Citizen MV" -- YOU have some catching up to do boy! Just because you've been 'out of the loop' with your head up there inspecting your republican colon, does not mean the rest of us weren't paying attention over the past 6-7 years! Wake the 'f' up!
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 295 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 7:24:35 PM
I enjoy and delight in constructive debates, and will engage at length with those that conduct themselves accordingly.
To others who don't and cross lines, I've made it a practice to simply note it as I am doing here and move on to others that will engage constructively.
Your comments are charming.
Respectfully,
CitizenMV
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Matt Vrabel (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 61 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 7:38:44 PM
Impeachment can be brought about for criminal activity, or merely for being a continuous threat to the security of the population.
The tens of thousands of nuclear weapons sitting about waiting only for the optimum moment to be "Triggered," should give us all pause to reflect upon what our nuclear war fighting elite have pulled on us.
"They" have pulled the nuclear "Trigger" on us; not once or twice, but repeatedly over the last half of a century. This is why old blood suck, shit spout, can't tell us about the "ET."
He and all of the other high level corporate and government Fiends, know all about the "ET."
"They" can't come clean now about the "ET" because it would reveal that the "ET" have for decades, been shooting software blocks into the missiles poised to exterminate us all.
The decision to immolate the mass of the human race was made in April of 1947, and until today, that same plan is still in place. The plan is to "accidentally" launch a nuclear missile, and let loose with a volley that will end the life of humanity on the surface of this planet.
Many nuclear armed missiles have installed into their communications systems what is known as an "Emergency rocket communications system." This system will, once launched, broadcast an alert via the "Universal attack order satellites" to other nuclear ballistic launch facilities, in particular, "Ballistic missile submarines."
The cover story is that it will prevent our forces from being "decapitated." It of course is all nonsense.
Once a missile is up in the air and signaling that it is in flight, the message itself will act as a stimulus for other nuclear missile launch facilities to let loose with all that they have.
At the moment that our nuclear war fighting elite are either removed from positions of power, or in the alternative, that they select a new strategy that does not include engaging in a nuclear war, we will be able to address many issues of importance.
If we are destroyed in an all out nuclear war, nothing else will matter.
For those who understand what this is all about; a dangerous group of nuclear armed human genocidal cannibals have made a "Mortal Error," and have been hobbled in their attempts to immolate us all. This intervention may allow us time for a new choice to be made. To select a different strategy; a cooperator strategy rather than the current human predator one, a new strategy, the strategy of Peace.
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Patrick (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 401 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 9:11:44 PM
Fact is, former republicans enabled the sea change in Washington. As a lifelong democrat, who is the son of a lifelong dem, I've changed my attitude to former republicans. People wake up or recover from their upbringings and family politics on their own time schedules. It's harder to change from Repubolican to dem or even to independent than to have been born into a dem family and vote Dem.
your snarky, smart-ass remarks are not welcome here
Intelligent commentary and friendly humor are.
Rob Kall,
publisher, OpEdNews
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Rob Kall (808 articles, 3922 quicklinks, 332 diaries, 1703 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 10:41:06 PM
Rob, after your "Imagine you Have to clean a house" post, with the sh** word in it and the horse/Bush analogy, isn't it a little hypocritical to flag the MRK post about "inspecting republican colons" and waking the "f" up? I appreciated MRKs post, even though I am not inclined to be quite as snarky or a smart-assed at the very end of my otherwise fine comments. Maybe you're trying to be funny?
Regardless, I'm leaving for the night--maybe days or weeks, or months--without finding out what a "gomofo" is.
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Lilydove (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments)
on Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 11:18:22 PM
"GoMoFo" is based on the way the military and the Pentagon love to create acronyms... 'Go' = Government, 'Mo' = Mother, 'Fo' = Fokker. (but not the WW I fighter plane)
Yeah, you flagged me twice for 'personal' attack on a 'recovering Republican'...
Listen up: Republicans have called me (us) everything under the sun over the past 6 years.
Republicans have called us traitors.
Republicans have called us cowards,
Republicans have called us chickens.
Republicans have called us liberals!!! Imagine THAT!
Republicans have even called us terrorists, and worse because, why? Because
we had the nerve to point out that their leader, a fascist dictator wannabe, named Bush, is in fact a liar and a war criminal.
So excuse me if I am not charitable enough to engage in 'polite discourse' and play footsie with the same people who called me a traitor and who believe US Constitution is "just a piece of paper" -- Do you recall that infamous Bush quote?
The time for playing nice is over.
Playing nice is what got Democrats stuck neck deep in the poo in the first place.
We should play hard ball like they ain't no rules no more! And that includes calling out those who started the ruckus to stand up and take what's coming!
Ya dig?
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 295 comments)
on Monday, November 13, 2006 at 5:21:40 PM
In the interests of full disclosure, I am the one who
flagged you. Your post is a classic case of argumentum ad-hominem. There is nothing about the posters arguments or positions in your post. You only attack the poster.
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Steven Leser (212 articles, 45 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1393 comments)
on Monday, November 13, 2006 at 7:56:23 AM
First "logic" and argument: Yo - back in my university daze, I enrolled in the course, I took notes @ every lecture and read all the assignments. As I recall there were 144 students on day one and by the final exam, 11 people showed up: one of them was me. I got a B. To say it was a tough course is an understatement, check the attrition rate. That was 39 years ago and I still I have a stack of logic books right here on the shelf. I know an ad hominem. I also know tit fer tat and freakin' chickens coming home to roost.
So called 'Republicans' have been playing an underhanded game in this country for years. When the opposition takes "Roberts Rules of Order' and starts beating me over the head with it - I believe it's time to start biting and scratching... not to mention grabbing 'em by the genitals if necesary! As I recall the banner for this site used to say something about "TOUGH LIBERAL VIEWS."
Now you say I ONLY posed an ad hominem attack: I don't think that's correct. Only in the closing paragraph did I address that republican government shill... HOWEVER - what about the other three paragraphs in that posting?
Here they are again for your review:
Impeachment is Imperative! When a crime, or in this case, plural CRIMES have been committed, the path to restitution and to correct those wrongs... we must begin by holding the perpetrators responsible for their actions.
Ours has oft been called "a nation of LAWS" for a reason. We track down errant fathers and hold them responsible for paying child support. We prosecute drunk drivers. We arrest college kids for smoking flowers. We even fine jay walkers fer christ sake! Why should we NOT hold Bush, Cheney, Rice and the rest of their cabal responsible for the crimes they so arrogantly committed in FULL public view!? They have violated international law and numerous treaties. They have descimated the US Constitution and soaked the flag of this nation in the blood of their victims.
Just before Bush took this nation to war against Iraq, the LARGEST demonstrations in WORLD HISTORY took place in cities all around the planet trying to get the message thru to those criminals in the White House that their war plans were: ill-advised, unneccessary, illegal and unwanted by the peoples of this Earth... How did Bush respond to the largest "NO" ever heard in history? He said: "Aw, we don't make no policy by focus groups or polls." What arrogance! What ignorance! He then proceeded to CAUSE the deaths of hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people and PERMANENT life-changing injuries to hundreds of thousands more...
Impeachment would be just a start - we have a lot of serious house cleaning to do!
Thank you. I yield the floor.
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 295 comments)
on Monday, November 13, 2006 at 9:20:24 PM
I only wish you had written this to begin with instead of
your missive against that person. Murtha was a GOMOFO, both JFKs were GOMOFOs, the various veterans groups that opposed and protested against the Iraq war were GOMOFOs, I served in the USAF, so I guess you could call me a GOMOFO, yet I was against this war and fought hard against it from the very beginning. Various people who now sit anywhere on the political spectrum in the US from farthest of far left to farthest of far right were GOMOFOs. The fact of their/our service does not in and of itself yield any substantive conclusions about their/our views and beliefs. Sad that you seem to think that it does.
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Steven Leser (212 articles, 45 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1393 comments)
on Monday, November 13, 2006 at 9:49:05 PM
That IS what I said in the first place - you must have joined the conversation in the middle of the thread.
The gentleman I was berating for being a GOP shill says he spent 20 years on a nuke sub -- I suspect his POV may be colored by two decades of indentured serviture to the Military Industrial Complex.
It happens. But... enough already.
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 295 comments)
on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 2:30:04 AM
Bush and Cheney WILL be impeached, OK? There are no two ways about it. You can start out without having impeachment as your goal, but if you investigate only one or two of the many key areas that need investigating, you are going to end up there. This President is already at 31% approval. When the public finds out more information about some of the things he has done the public will demand that he be put on the fast boat back to Crawford if he is lucky, or Leavenworth or some other federal facility if he isn't.
Whether Pelosi and others who are voicing anti-impeachment themes or positions understand this or not is irrelevant.
Might I suggest that any effort spent arguing about this be tabled until after investigations start? Pelosi has already mentioned several times that hearings and investigations will be held into several areas. Folks, if you have any confidence at all as I do that there has been widespread lawbreaking and malfeasance then give it a rest, sit back, get some buttered popcorn, and watch the show.
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Steven Leser (212 articles, 45 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1393 comments)
on Monday, November 13, 2006 at 7:29:55 AM
