cannabis

I often wonder what the ancients were burning as incense, for mind altering substances unlock the windows in our minds and if our hearts are open; we can connect more readily to our spiritual side. 

I had often heard the stoner story about how in the bible all the metions of herbs, incense and oil  where really pot.  I was allways  going sure it was sure it was.  I remember about 2 or so months ago a news report I saw where a highly regarded jewish scholar has come out and said if you look at the orginall texts.  Yes they were talking about pot

by mike (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 90 comments) on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 at 1:38:23 PM
 

So funny

You God freaks are so funny. Your brainwashed minds are so primitive they should put you on TV more often to make more money.

by TomK (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 217 comments) on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 at 5:52:42 PM
 

dear TomK

You poor dear just do NOT get it!

 "You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free."
John 8:32

Religion has been mis-used to divide us; I am into liberation theology and spirituality; which is the path to connecting oneself to THE DIVINE within oneself and all others.

My intuition tells me, you have been subjected to way too much religion,

And not near enough deep spiritual connection.

WAKE UP and "Imagine All the People Sharing All the World."-John Lennon

e

http://www.wearewideawake.org/

by Eileen Fleming (146 articles, 51 quicklinks, 266 diaries, 580 comments) on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 at 6:07:03 PM
 

Tell It To Children. They'll Believe It.

What do you think that any of us, who find nothing exceptional in your book, except that for some reason, you have decided to believe it uncritically, should say in response to you quoting it? What the other poster was referring to when he said, "You God freaks are so funny is, among other things, your bizzare expectation - insistence even - that your book should have meaning to and be taken seriously by whoever you wave it at. Why?

You are funny. You think that, "You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free." is a true and important statement. It’s neither, but you’re committed to the opposite being true, that it is deep and true, so it’s impossible for you to come to any other conclusion. Why isn’t that not nonsense to you, too? Only because you are committed to insisting otherwise.

How will I know the truth? By agreeing to believe your book and reading it there? How about Mustafa’s book? He’s just as insistent as you that your book is no good and that his book rocks. How will I know which is truth? The one you say is true. Because you say so? Because it’s in your book? Do you see a problem with any of that?

Such thinking doesn’t move anybody that is skilled in thinking, just the credulous and naïve. You’ve painted yourself into an intellectual corner, and you’re stuck there, stubbornly insistent that you cannot be wrong about your Sky Creature.

Let me guess: wrong I am. And the reason I’m wrong is because some refugee living in a cave on the other side of the world named Paul or Luke, millennia ago told others that God told him to tell the rest of us what He wants. Odd that. Your “Lord’s” most important messages are told to just one person, who is told to pass it on to the rest of us. Some God. He does miracles that are as good as any magic tricks, but none for you or me.

Back when “prophets” were competing for our ear, before anyone had ever heard of schizophrenia or delusions of grandeur, the creator of the Universe, of Pluto and the Andromeda Galaxy, and of gravity, although capable of communicating with all of us, repeatedly only talked to one random guy at a time. Named Amos or Nahum or Zebediah? That’s funny.

Let me quote a source that I will expect you to respect as much as you think I should respect your storybook. The president of the United States. Behold:

“People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you.” George 43:01a. So spaketh the Tard. Pretty deep.

Then, verily, he also spaketh, “There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.” I Chimps 9:11 Let us spray. You are taking these quotes seriously just because I told you to, right? That’s what you expect others to do for you.

by Yaybob (12 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 174 comments) on Thursday, July 12, 2007 at 5:58:21 AM
 

Telling it To and be spoken through by a Child

If you knew ANYTHING about me at all, you would know that it was a little child of Bethlehem who irrevocably changed my life and who I have been mentoring since June 2005.

It is George of Beit Jala/West Bethlehem whose face is on the WAWA Banner.

The photo was taken in 2000, by photographer Debbie Hill, the morning after the Israeli army destroyed his bedroom in retaliation for a few hopeless militants who had infiltrated his once peaceful Christian village to snipe across the way into the illegal settlement/colony of Gilo.

The shrapnel that pierced the wall of George's sanctuary read 'Made in USA' and was delivered via American made Apache helicopters.

The second I saw George's eyes, in the photo that was first published by the Florida Catholic, my heart said "DO SOMETHING!"

What could I possibly do I wondered, but I did make a copy of the photo, put it in a frame and placed it upon the altar [a bar high table] in the upper room of my home. Dozens of times a day, I would stop and gaze into the eyes of that little boy of Bethlehem and beg God to end the insane cycle of violence in the Holy Land for the sake of all the children who live there and deliver and release me from the incessant voice that demands:

"DO SOMETHING!"

All these years later, every time I look at George's eyes-or even think about him-the persistent voice continues the incessant refrain:

"DO SOMETHING!"

When I met George for the first time in June 2005, I vowed to him that I would do all I could to help bring about the end of the occupation of Palestine, which has now entered its 40th year.

And so I have traveled four times and am heading back for a fifth to Israel Palestine, and the first thing I do will be to visit my 'adopted' family in the Little Town of Bethlehem, which is Occupied Territory; and occupied territory is NO VACATION.

 "Rational" men have decided that God no longer speaks to people in their hearts/consciences, but an open heart and mind INTUITS God, and I am NOT talking 'religion' I am offering Spirit connection; deep hears deep, and closed minds and hard hearts do not hear or see.

If you knew anything about me at all, you would know I have been doing all I can to remind America of the promise George W. Bush made in his Second Inaugural Address,

The following has been posted on my DO SOMETHING page since I put my site up on July 22, 2005

"In the long run, there is no justice without FREEDOM. There can be no human rights without LIBERTY. All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know the United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for liberty, we stand with you."

Please send a Fax and make a phone call and let President Bush know how you feel:

WHITE HOUSE COMMENTS LINE: 202-456-1111
WHITE HOUSE SWITCHBOARD: 202-456-1414
WHITE HOUSE FAX: 202-456-2461

SILENCE IS COMPLICITY!!!

I also expect nothing; I OFFER something; and like grace it is free to take or refuse.

How many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.-Bob Dylan

Only in Solidarity do "We have it in our power to begin the world again"
Tom Paine

I leave for Tel Aviv in a few hours, so this is my last message for a while and I say bye bye with a prayer for America that The Divine will pierce hearts of stone and open minds.

e

http://www.wearewideawake.org/

by Eileen Fleming (146 articles, 51 quicklinks, 266 diaries, 580 comments) on Thursday, July 12, 2007 at 7:23:34 AM
 

Translation, Please

I'm going to give you the benfit of the doubt and say that you are confused about what Eileen stands for.  To confuse her with Bush and the neo-cons is ludicrous.  So, she believes in religion.  So do I.  Does she believe in those who claim to be its leaders?  Absolutely not.  Read her comments concerning my articles, "Holsinger, Bush's Quack" and "The Creeping Fundalmentalist Theocracy" and you'll know that she has nothing to do with those who pervert the teachings of the Biblical prophets and Jesus Christ.  Her main causes, a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and justice for Mordechai Vanunu, are positions that are not exactly the norm.  I just received my copies of her two books and from an initial glance at them they present a whole new perspective on life in Israel and the Occupied Territories.  I'm sorry you find them unexceptional.

At any rate, I feel your criticism is rather ill-informed.

by Kenneth Barr (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 77 comments) on Friday, July 13, 2007 at 8:31:13 PM
 

Let me put it in parable form for you

What I wrote was clear. It asks why she offers Christian scripture to people that she knows consider it meaningless. You didn't do that, did you? Why not?

Christians are frequently so ethnocentric that they don't realize that they sound like a Viking quoting Thor or a Druid quoting Brigid. Am I supposed to be paying attention??

We secular people take offense that you either always seem to forget that we're there when you're communicating to a mixed crowd, or that you don't care. Either way, it gets old.

Also, we resent the arrogance of Christians offering scripture as something of value to people who don't value it, and expecting them to pay attention or not roll their eyes when it is injected into nonreligious discussions. Or that Christians assume that Christianity is obviously good and moral, even to nonbelievers. Nobody but Christians think that. Nobody wants a religious Christian moving in next door except another one. Nobody wants to look at those ten commandments again that isn't in the religion. No secular people think that it is good that their son or daughter found a devout christian to marry. Yet more unsolicited biblical advice is always around the corner. We try to be polite, but that just leads to scripture proliferation. And when we object, the reactions are like yours.

That crap is just that, and I don't like to have to continually choose between telling you (collective) to save it for a more appropriate venue or listening to its creepiness.

Here's a tremendous lack of insight among Christians. You have no idea how creepy you are to the rest of us. Just listen to Protestants discussing the creepy habits and teachings of Catholics, then listen to the Catholics tell you how creepy the Mormons are. Then hear them all describe how creepy Islam is to them.

Newsflash! Everybody finds all religions other than their own creepy. For me, that's all of them, yours too. But you people speak as if twinkling bells are heard in the background and the universe rejoices as you treat us to more scripture. Sorry. Your scripture is more like French kissing your aunt than Miss Denmark, no matter how attractive someone else considers your aunt. It's basic insight: seeing yourself as others do.

"Please don't tell me how stupid you think my religion is." 

"OK. Please stop showing me."

"Jesus says that I should . ."

"Who said?"

"Jesus did."

"What did Gilgamesh and Baal say? How about Joseph Smith. Let me quote L. Ron Hubbard for you here."

"Why"

"Exactly"

"You're comparing the one true God's word to mythologies and superstitions?"

"By Jove, I think she got it. Saints be praised."

"I'm praying for you."

"Don't bother. And don't expect any praying back"

"That's Satan speaking. For the Lord sayeth. . "

"Please stop!"

"Satan, get thee behind me. In Jesus name I rebuke you"

"Hey, talk to *me! *, not your imaginary sky monsters"

“Faith is the substance of things hoped . .”

“STFU”

“If you knew Jesus, you’d know the peace in his words”

“I guess none of that creepy talk sunk in, did it?”

“God bless you. I’ll pray extra hard for you” 

“You are so holy. You must be moral, too”

by Yaybob (12 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 174 comments) on Saturday, July 14, 2007 at 2:00:04 AM
 

Hope you're still on Plan A, Fear Plan B is Near

Eileen:

Hope you arrived safely at Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion.  It seems folks over here still have a ways to go in understanding how there are those of us who can separate religion from those who try to run it.  Seeing as how I can't take communion in a RC Church, I wonder how Christian they are sometimes.  Then there are the stories of Father Kolb and Pope John XXIII, who sacrificed so much for others, and you realize things are far more complex than some would admit.

Since I have never smoked anything in my life, I really can't relate to what you wrote on that subject.  Therefore, I won't comment.  That one falls under the category of having to walk in another person's shoes.

I hope that Plan A is still in effect.  However, I fear that Plan B is just around the corner.  I truly hope we never have to find out what Plan C is.

Take good care and God bless.

by Kenneth Barr (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 77 comments) on Friday, July 13, 2007 at 8:18:07 PM
 

PLAN A

Thanks for encouraging words Ken, and yes i arrived in Jerusalem a few hours ago.

 In this issue of TIKKUN Magazine, the Fransiscan priest and agitator, Richard Rohr has an excellent article on what you refer to:

 "MY PROBLEM WITH RELIGION"

He wrote my problem with religion too:

In a nutshell it is religion without SPIRIT connection and Christianity should offer a HEALING message; for JC spent his time affirming the wounded, the poor, outcasts and if he walked this earth today; i think he would hang out with those who struggle with addictions.

"These people make a big show of saying the right thing, but their hearts aren't in it...so I am going to step in and shock them AWAKE, astonish them, and stand them on their ears."-Isaiah 29:14, Eugene Patterson translation

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http://www.wearewideawake.org/

by Eileen Fleming (146 articles, 51 quicklinks, 266 diaries, 580 comments) on Saturday, July 14, 2007 at 7:30:23 AM