Tags for This Article:

Privacy (396)  Government Suppression (32)  Anonymity (12) 

Populum Tag Cloud
       Control Panel
Fine tune your search to access content
Articles
Diaries Products
Events All
All time
Last 6 mos
Last month
Last week
Last 24 hrs
From:
Month  Day   Year

To:
Month  Day   Year
Alphabet
Popularity
Count ON
Count OFF
This Level
Sub-levels

 

 

 

Tag(s): ; ;
Add to My Group
November 13, 2007 at 14:14:41

Headlined on 11/13/07:
New definitions for privacy and anonymity coming from the government.

by Ed Martin     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

Tell A Friend

From an article by the Associated Press:

As congress debates new rules for government eavesdropping, a top intelligence official says it is time that people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

"Privacy no longer can mean anonymity," says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence.  Instead, it should mean that government and business properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information.

Donald, privacy has never meant anonymity.  They are two very different things.  Privacy was best expressed in common law by William Pitt:

"The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the force of the crown.  It may be frail, the storm may enter, the rain may enter, but the King of England cannot enter.  All his force does not cross the threshold of the ruined tennement."

Our right to privacy is absolute, guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment with the phrase that we have the right to be "secure in our persons, houses, papers and effects."  To be secure means that you are free from all interference by anyone or anything.  So, yes, the Constitution in fact does provide for our privacy, contrary to a lot of government officials who know better and won't admit it.

Anonymity simply means without a name.

Donald fails to make the distinction between a person's right to remain anonymous or not and the government's attempt to remove anonymity.  I gladly and proudly put my name on everything I do, but, I reserve the absolute right to remain anonymous when I so choose.  It's my decision and mine alone.  I voluntarily give up my anonymity to conduct transactions with businesses.  Those transactions are at my instigation.

But, notice that we don't voluntarily do transactions with the government.  It is at the government's instigation that we must interact with it, involuntarily.  Now, the government wants to remove even our anonymity to the government in our interactions with each other, which is none of the government's business.  Listening to Aunt Bessie talking about the Thanksgiving turkey has nothing to do with Bush's supposed Warrn Turr.

I had one of those maddening conversations with a Republican who said that I shouldn't object to the government snooping on me if I have nothing to hide.  I pointed out that precisely because I have nothing to hide is why the government has no right to snoop on me.  It's pointless to try to find out what you don't need to know.  I'm not paying for the government to find out that I'm not doing anything.  I'm paying for the government to find out who is doing something that they shouldn't and put a stop to it.

This same Republican bragged about how proud he is of George Bush for attacking Iraq.  I pointed out there were no WMD in Iraq, the reason Bush gave for the attack.  He said, "Well, they didn't know that there weren't any WMD there."  I said, "You're proud of George Bush going to war and killing a million innocent people based on what he didn't know.  Listen up, pay attention here.  You only decide to go to war based on what you do know, not on what you don't know.  And the fact is that he couldn't have known there were WMD there because they didn't exist.  You can't know, as George Bush said he did, about what doesn't exist."

As I should have known, the application of logic to the issue completely escaped him, leaving him in total incomprehension.

Incidentally and not unrelated to this because it's all about Bush's war on terror, "intelligence" as in "intelligence official" used above is incorrect.  Intelligence is an abstraction, a quality of the mind.  They're referring, properly, to information.  The combining of intelligence with government official is at best ironic.  Likewise, Bush's war on terror is incorrect, terror being also an abstraction.

I'd like to see George Bush shoot and kill an abstraction and hang the hide on the barn door.

 

Ed Martin is an unindicted curmudgeon. He is not a Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal, deist, atheist, or a member of any -ism.

Contact Author
Contact Editor
View Other Articles by Author

 

Bookmark this page: (what's this?)

NETSCAPE      DIGG THIS      NEWSVINE      DEl.ICIO.US      Looksmart Furl      My Web      Spurl      Tag!RawSugar      Shadows Tag!      Blink List     (More...)
Comments: Expand   Shrink   Hide  
5 comments

Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

If you have nothing to hide...

I would like to add that I understand that W the Wonder Dolt wishes to reassure me with the caution that if I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to worry about. Ok, W, sold American.

Now, lets see your cards first. How about the unedited e-mails that the Congress has subpeonaed? How about the transcripts of Vaders energy policy meetings? What about lifting the questionable claims of executive privilege on White House staff? After all, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

Oh, I see. If you release this information it will empower the terrorists, hey? Well, ok, you sold me there, too.

I, also, wish to guard my privacy lest its loss empowers the terrorists. The fact that the terrorists who are rooting out what should be sacred under the Fourth Amendment work for you in the executive branch is simply a difference of proximity, nothing else. So I'll wait to see your hand first.

by John Sanchez Jr. (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 821 comments) on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 at 6:23:24 PM
 


A retired Navyman who has ran for 1st. District of Tennessee as a Green with a primary plank of Impeaching Bush/Chaney and a secondary plank of listening to and serving people instead of corporations. He now has accepted the position of FOAVC Coordinater for TN. He also is a direct decendent both on his Mothers and Fathers failies of members of the Seneca Nation.
Robert N SmithA retired Navyman who has ran for 1st. District of Tennessee as a Green with a primary plank of Impeaching Bush/Chaney and a secondary plank of listening to and serving people instead of corporations. He now has accepted the position of FOAVC Coordinater for TN. He also is a direct decendent both on his Mothers and Fathers failies of members of the Seneca Nation.

My responce to the new intellegence idea.

Of all the things the government is doing in it's so called war on terror that are above stupidity and beyond illegal perhaps the most started before 9-11. That is the total information program which has never stopped. I outright invasion of our right to be secure in our home our papers and our effects. In other words without a warrant and without a specific reason for eavesdropping or collecting information about us, the government is prohibited by the highest law of the land from sneaking around and collecting info on anyone. Not just by law but by the Constitution itself. Violate my house without a warrant and I will shoot you and if you survive, will have you locked up for years for burglary. If you sneak around and ask questions about me to my family, friends and neighbors without a reason, I will sue you for everything you might ever hope to own and get you fired. That's my legal right and nothing you say changes that just because you work for the government.

by Robert N Smith (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 64 comments) on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 at 10:15:47 PM
 


Sandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspape...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Sandy SandSandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspape...

to see more of bio, click on member name

No link

'Privacy no longer can mean anonymity," says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence.  Instead, it should mean that government and business properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information.

Odd.  I never linked privacy with anonymity.

Privacy should also be a given that if I'm doing business with a company they are forbidden to sell my name, address, phone number or any personal information to another entity.  I/we shouldn't have to sign privacy disclosures everytime we open a credit card account.

by Sandy Sand (129 articles, 0 quicklinks, 144 diaries, 1121 comments) on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 at 3:17:30 PM
 


Ed Martin is an unindicted curmudgeon. He is not a Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal, deist, atheist, or a member of any -ism.
Ed MartinEd Martin is an unindicted curmudgeon. He is not a Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal, deist, atheist, or a member of any -ism.

Privacy and anonymity

That's right, Sandy.  As I explained to Donald, there, privacy has never meant anonymity. 

Anything that has my name on it belongs to me.  I have the absolute right to rescind, remove or destroy anything with my name on it.

Ed.

by Ed Martin (97 articles, 0 quicklinks, 30 diaries, 99 comments) on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 at 3:43:47 PM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Anon doesn't exist

This one really taxes my widdle didum bwain.

Kerr’s argument is more than a semantical one. He is raising some logical and practical issues.It is a fact that if you have ever done business, applied for credit etc your personal details are known and widely available that’s called Credit Referencing and since the late 1970’s with the advent of computers privacy has been a waning reality. There are a number of agencies that specialize in this data. Because of commercial competition they are reluctant to wholesale share but there are ‘bleeding’ of data between services. The biggest three threats to privacy come from

  • The money lenders, banks etc. In some countries they own the agencies.
  • The off shore agencies that have information not normally permitted this include medical records where available, Police and court records, this may include issues related to children, Child Services if they were called. This way the ‘agency’ gets away with this trading in sensitive information.
  • Telephone canvassing lists. They're are often specific and make good targets for theives, kidnappers, paedophiles, con men etc. These list often give someone else an idea of what is in your home.

Even the Unabomber living in an extra ordinarily ‘basic’ fashion wasn’t anonymous on a number of grounds his presence, his library borrowings. He borrowed a book with out of date information about directorships which helped to cook his turkey (from goose dispensation to Ed).

Clearly the issue is really retrospective damage control as equally clearly one can see that anonyminity is an illusion.

Given that the Govt has its own databases it is unlikely that they don’t have access to these sources. So one can ask what what’s left… not much.The idea that the Alphabet soup of agencies would be interested in Aunt Bessie’s Turkey recipe is largely  preposterous and misunderstand the way the data is collected.  That is of course they’re eavesdropping on my Aunts  recipe for turkey as any one who has tried it will attest it should be classified as a WMD it is well devastating.

Nonsense aside the data is collected in mass or and sorted by computer based on key telephone destinations or origins, key words and or phrases. To this stage it is just a flow of unintelligible Bits and Bytes. No human intervention at this stage. Those that meet the criteria would be further sorted electronically by patterns, history and the exceptional. The criteria for this exceptional would be quite specific. After all this the there is further sorting matching until they get down to a limited number of calls that would be examined by an operative.Auntie Bessie unless she’s talking to a satellite phone in the Pakistan/Afghanistan border is unlikely to even get past the fist filter.

CIA note inflicting my Auntie’s toxic turkey recipe on others would be against the Geneva Convention for sure.I would guess the final batch would be in the hundreds filtered from Trillions of calls.

But I agree there is more at stake here than access to this sort of data. It’s a matter of trust, the confidence that the information won’t be abused or miss used.

Sorry, You fool me once shame on you, You fool me again shame on me. I believe in the collective wisdom of the citizenry (Lincoln said it best with saying that ends “…..you can’t fool all the people all the time ) certainly not individuals who connive and weasel power regardless of the side of politics .

They the people, have good cause to distrust this or any Administration that strips away democracy layer by layer to maintain power. What is demanded by the people on the administration of this practice is at least transparency and a believable independent over sight..  

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 at 10:37:39 PM
 

 

5 comments

 

Tell A Friend

 


Copyright © OpEdNews, 2002-2008

 

 

 

 

Articles
Diaries Members
Products Events
Polls  
  

Articles Popularity:

Momentum Building For Bugliosi's Case Against George W. Bush For Murder
by Linda Milazzo

A Declaration of Independence from the Government of the United States
by Anonymous

Bush Fulfills His Grandfather's Dream
by David Swanson

Fortis Prediction of US Bank Meltdown a Net Hoax: The Making of an Urban Legend
by Paul Haughey

POW/MIA Families Alleged McCain Assault: Senate Ethics Committee Failed to Investigate
by elliot cohen

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN GAS REACHES 7 DOLLARS A GALLON ?
by Allen L Roland

Why were 'first responders' de-contaminated at the Pentagon?
by Len Hart

Ex Weapons Inspector: Iran Not Pursuing Nukes, But U.S. Will Attack Before '09
by Jason Leopold

Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11
by Alan Miller

Free Energy and the Open Source Energy Movement
by jibbguy