blowback is so defeatist a sounding term. it was really

pre-empted reverse psychological warfare, that was unfair

and most definite fanfare. they invented emotions of

mass destruction with a simple meme too horrible to even

mention.

kaboom! after all the weapons and training we gave them.

after our puppet regime in saudi arabia bank rolled those

ingrates! where is the irony, where we liberators were

turned upon and executed a coup de grace for playing

yahweh all these years.

we freed the poppy growers to expand their mind expanding

drugs by 500%. those crazy taliban were destroying the

opium of the masses and the c i a's cash cow.

perhaps gates was not on the inside to positively know

that 9/11 was a great movie script directed by those

madcap producer and director team of bush and cheney.

not only was it oscar winning material as a drama, but it was

the greatest farce that turned out to be a joke on the

populace.

Ann Thrax stars in the sequel "liberty unbalanced". with

Homer Landsecurity as the hero awaiting Ann's pleas

to be whisked off to safety in the rickety old Edsel.

Frogs bless amerika, land of the fleeced, stand beside

her, and deride her, from the radioactive mountains,

to the genetically modified valley corn, the mob has

fleeced us all.

wolfie tunes in to the static that is a slow attack on

our auditory canal's tributaries

by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:22:02 AM

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was saying is if the doctrine of pre-emptive wars to control geo-politically strategic resources had been started before 9/11, we wouldn't have been attacked. 

 He's frustrated by the unwillingness of the Dems to wholeheartedly endorse the strategy, and start telling the lies that support it, as vigorously as the average Republican

"It was my hope 16 months ago that I could help forge a bipartisan path forward in our Iraq policy that would sustain a steadily lower – but still adequate and necessary – level of commitment for the years needed to yield an Iraq that is an ally against extremists and can govern and defend itself. I continue to harbor this hope for a bipartisan path and will continue to work for it. But I do fear that understandable frustration over years of war and dismay over sacrifices already made may result in decisions that are gratifying in the short term but very costly to our country and the American people in the long term." 

by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1110 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:35:03 PM

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Are you suggesting that a government agency that started out using Nazi war criminals as agents could possibly screw anything up?

The CIA should never have been formed. For whatever good they may have done has been far out-weighed by the number of colossal screw-ups they've orchestrated. Any agency that is given unaccountable income and secrecy will attract the worse kind of pathological killers - it's a sociopath magnet.

When you trace the history of near all these agencies of the last 90 years, see how they morphed into entities of their own, caused tremendous suffering, pain, lose of proprietary and life and near a one of the heads of any of these agencies ever gets held accountable you begin to understand just how big a mess we're in. The closest any one ever came was Iran-Contra and they were pardoned by bush-41.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/secrets_of_the_cia_sky.php

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:37:52 PM

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It's called damage control, almost all the world now knows the Bush administration carried out the 9/11 attack, some may deceive themselves for a while longer but they'll have to admit it eventually. In the days of that other fascist government under Hitler he knew he could get way with burning the Reich stag because he had complete control of information. Now we have the Internet where the truth will out simply because people can exchange ideas over a vast network so propaganda under Himmler is impossible today.

  The crashing of 4 aircraft and no investigation, that's a first. When an Egyptian Airliner went down off the eastern coast of the US every single piece was brought to the surface and examined for months. Of course what we will get now is slight modifications to the story to make it seem more plausible.

by douglas kay (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 83 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:17:09 PM

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A supposed admission that we are having difficulties due to really misguided policies toward Afghanistan and the entire developing world, serves to hide the fact that World Trade Center Building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition explosives that were placed at least a week in advance of 9/11.  There is no way an attack originating in Afghanistan could have secured access to a building like WTC Building 7, which had floors occupied by the US Secret Service, SEC, CIA, and the New York Mayor's Office of Emergency Management.  There is no way any members of Al Qaeda from Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia (the actual nationality of >90% of the reputed hijackers) were going to gain unfettered access to all load bearing columns of WTC Bldg 7 to set synchronized demolition charges that were manually triggered by unknown officials and announced 30 minutes prior to actual demolition by CNN and BBC on live newscasts the afternoon of September 11, 2001.   

When is Robert Gates going to admit to seriously failed policies and a constant erosion of democratic safeguards that allowed domestic enemies of the United States Constitution and the American people to gain access to the White House and positions of power within our government?   When are our representatives and the media going to admit and publicize that true power in Washington emanates from multi-billion dollar misappropriations to "Defense", "Intelligence", and PR agencies bent on perpetuating a constant state of fear and war waged on Americans to justify obscene budgets that suck our national wealth down a very inefficient and deep hole? 

Robert Gates doesn't have the real honesty and integrity needed to be that kind of hero.  I hope he is good enough to try and protect us from another traitorous attack launched at America from the insiders working to further corrupt our nation.

by Tim Riley (7 articles, 5 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 148 comments [12 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:03:49 PM

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the salomon building was definitely over a natural fault line. the san

silversteineas fault definitely caused the destruction.

in addition we forget now that hurricane

rumorsfeld was blowing up a storm. scientist of the governmental

agencies have corroborated  that the forces of the significant

bushism magnetic force field was very strong in the lower manhattan

area.

don't be fooled by those conspiracy mongerers, listen to this

mongrel wolfie

by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Thursday, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:32:53 AM

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Is it possible that what started as a pre-emptive strike has changed into the greatest spy story of all times?

I want to ask your professional opinion. If someone took the best of back-page columns from the past 40 years, would he produce a history never before seen by reading MSM front pages?

by Margaret Bassett (45 articles, 2909 quicklinks, 42 diaries, 1850 comments [99 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:20:44 PM

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the real truth is a permutation of the words, letters, photos, and symbols found in the NYT and the WSJ and in found copies of the MUTT & JEFF comics we all thought were so asinine.

the MSM is mainly shite musings of the AP and reuters , all owned by the ill-humidati headed by the Rothschild's and Lindsay Lohan!

now that it is all open to the light of day, I feel so much cleaner.

wolfie is on the scent of something bigger than a breadbox

by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Thursday, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:36:53 AM

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If gates admits Ron Paul was right...what would that do for McCain?  It's not headlines because Ron Paul rEVOLution has conceeded to MSM. 

YouTube Ron Paul Iran 1953..see why we are having Blow back and why there is only one candidate who gets it.

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 307 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:17:37 PM

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The Children of Iraq

http://www.gpln.com/childrenofiraq.htm

.

by Mark A. Goldman (81 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 243 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:33:57 PM

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That’s an astonishing confession,

 The only way anyone can possibly find the above to be a startling revelation is if he/she has been buried under a ROCK for the past 30 years....  I go back 30 years to when the original presidential directive, signed by PRESIDENT CARTER sent then head of the CIA over to Iraq to broker weapons to SADDAM so that he could fight the Iranian "freedom fighters" after Carter Administration actions managed to get the Shah (thug) deposed. (turns out we did not like the solution to the Shah one little bit!)  From there, OUR NATION's actions started the 12 year war....  MEANWHILE, we were funding AlQaida in Afghanistan in their battle against the former Soviet Union, because we did not care much for the former Soviet Union....

Later, in the late 80's Saddam complained about Kuwait drilling across the border into his southern oil reserves.....   The UN-Security Counsil, whose members just happened to own stock in Kuwaiti oil companies, turned him down...  He, Saddam, OUR thug, decided to invade, because his buddy Bush the first would help if he asked for his assistance...  Well, the members of Bush's cabinet, and Bush himself ALSO seemed to have stock in Kuwaiti Oil Companies...

Needless to say everyone was shocked, SHOCKED to learn that Saddam, after years of threatening to do so, actually INVADED Kuwait!....  Well, we could not have that.. the fate of politicians' stock portfolio's were at stake!

Now, what we did NOT count on was a crazy thug in Afghanistan, who we happened to be financing, at the time, being irate at our having the audacity to come and park our Infidel nation's hind assets on his holy home land... 

Now, in the decade that just passed, we had all sorts of bombings, but nobody really paid attention, because they were not in our back yard...  We had a fighting force close to Somalia, but we left once the video footage of the soldier being dragged through the streets was shown back here....  (most probably don't have a clue what I am talking about...) 

Osama Bin Laden came out and stated POINT BLANK that we were a paper tiger, and we were ripe for a hit!  He had been planning one for over 6 years, BLAMING us for what was going to happen to us when it finally did happen...  He said this for YEARS!

After the bombing at the WTC, we discussed it for YEARS...  We talked about why it happened for YEARS...  Why is it a startling revelation NOW? 7 years later?  Has this information been forgotten in that short a period of time?  Oh, The people of the Middle East don't care much for any nation that is not Arabic, not just us...  One reason could be that President Jimmy Carter was given the Nobel Peace Prize after starting the 12 year war...  Nah, couldn't be that.....

Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:42:37 PM

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A Suni Muslim Saddam Hussein who hated the US could not possibly have been working with a Suni Muslim Osama Bin Laden who hated the US, RIGHT???

 We are ALL born ignorant, but one must work HARD to remain stupid. - -Ben Franklin 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:46:30 PM

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Hussein moved sharply to a secular view while Bin Laden was moved as a teen by followers of The Muslim Brotherhood to an extreme religion dominated view.

They both had an influence in common that would explain their ultimate view of the U.S. 

Separately, each was financed, housed, trained, and supplied by the CIA in their young adult life, Hussein in Syria and Egypt, and Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

However, the fact that 2 people share a common background or experience does not automatically mean that they would ever cooperate with each other.

As Charles Shultz once observed in his Peanuts comic strip: "See the Ambersand and the Treble Cleff?  They look quite alike don't they?  Actually, they hate each other."

For references, search:

Saddam Hussein religious belief

Osama Bin Laden religious belief

by csnet (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 112 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:25:53 AM

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Just as Malcolm X stated after JFK got shot (referring to enemies he'd likely made possibly through  bad decisions, possibly through appropriate decisions, "The Chickens come home to roost."

Anyone who hasn't followed basic politics in the USA foreign policy and economic & development practices fo the last 5 decads might be excused for not knowing that prior to 2001 certain destructive policies had led to disgruntlement with ideas, ways of life, and strategic or military plans of the U.S. status quo.

ANYONE MORE INFORMED has not excuse for denying that a 9-11 or something like it was likely at some point or some time.

Gates, who used to be in the Bush School at Texas A&M, knew very well that some things the USA had done in the past--including support Iran in Iran-Contra deals to supporting anti-Soviet forces in the 1980s in Afghanistan--could lead to blow back.

Moreover, as CIA chief under Papa Bush, Gates couldn't help but to be saddened that the USA had backed Saddam Hussein so much in the 1980s. The invasion of Kuwait was more than embarrassing--it was a signal that the politics of the Reagan-Bush era were bankrupt.

That is why Junior W. Bush had to come up with new plans.

Two or more losers don't make a good government. 

by ALONE (196 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 557 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:39:33 AM

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'

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11.  The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI.  When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” 

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?”  Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.”  I asked, “How does that work?”  Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence.  Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice.  The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury.  In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury.  He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”'

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id267.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:00:03 PM

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It certainly doesn't appear that Don Williams believes in these 9/11 fantasies. 

And I think for good reason:  He appears to be a legitimate journalist.  He has his agenda, his bias, but he's smart enough to understand that there's no real evidence to support them, so he doesn't use them.  

Take a clue from Don, folks.  Cite some real world facts and observations to support your anti-government, anti-war, anti-Bush agenda, instead of taking the easy way out by relying on fallacious fantasies.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Friday, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:47:57 AM

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you are so right that it makes every thing said, thought, dreamt of, written, meditated, seanced, or hypothesized seem to just vanish into the vapors of the misty, nebulous, make believe world of you.

now for something completely different. you are not the center of the universe. if some one disagrees with your acute mind, perhaps they are entitled to their opinions.

if you know about schroedinger's cat, you know that until we observe that tom, he is neither alive nor dead. he only becomes one or the other upon the mind creating the reality of the material world. see michio kaku, world reknowned physicist.

now you can better comprehend that your worldview is but one of many. if we used your deductionary reasoning we would still be earth bound and behind the toucas of a pair of oxen.

wolfie has travelled far within his pooch's bean, but wishes to see the promised dog run.

by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Friday, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:27:04 PM

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Thanks for the lively debate. First, I'm NOT astounded that someone would suggest 9/11 was blowback. Many often have, including me. I AM astounded that Dubya's Defense Chief confessed to helping cause the blowback and that I'm the only one who noticed.

Second, although I'm not a 9/1I Truthist, I am open to the 9/11 Truth movment evidence that 9/11 was an inside job in some way or was allowed to happen. Not saying it's true, but I'm open to hearing more. I'm not yet convinced enough to destroy my own career as a writer by embracing it. 

I suspect lots of good writers hold off embracing such issues because they rightly worry their credibility will be destroyed, if unfairly, and their voices will no longer be heard on issues they might influence otherwise.

I am convinced 9/11 is worth debating, however. After all, what could be more implausible than the impression the Bushites, Fox and others tried to make--and some still do--that Saddam did it in cahoots with bin Laden. Whatever you say about 9/11 Truth, its every bit as plausible as THAT, and the consequences of THAT have been incredibly disastrous.

by Don Williams (124 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:40:47 AM

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Please read this...  http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

The idea that anyone could take what he posted seriously is truly sad, PARTICULARLY since that was so completely debunked nearly as soon as it was created....

Please think before you post... 

 Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:24:26 PM

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First, I agree with the comment that Gates may actually have referred to the mistake of not using preemptive wars/direct military interventions - as opposed to arming terrorists as we still do - . This is an equally plausible explanation.

On 9/11, I am 1 of those who's been following Alex Jones's coverage since 2002 (Inforwars.com); so I am 100% convinced of the orchestration and direction by the Administration.

Occasionally more is concisely avail on 9/11:  I encourage doubters to read the article by A Miller(Opednews Jan 14 08) " 25 military officers challenge official accounts of 9/11". There was also an article about former high level national security advisers - going all the way back to Reagan- expressing the same view.

Gates is part of the GANG of thugs we've had at high levels for too long!

by crispy (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 43 comments [13 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:08:18 PM

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