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April 21, 2008 at 05:29:30

Headlined on 4/21/08:
Clinton Losing Precisely Because She Dismissed "Activist Base," Progressive Leaders Say

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Hillary Clinton told a gathering of donors after Super Tuesday that she lost caucus after caucus because the “activist base of the Democratic Party” was intimidating voters; however, progressive leaders say, she is really losing because she dismissed input from that “activist base.”

On an audio tape released last Friday, Clinton can be heard telling supporters, "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

In contrast to Clinton’s assertion that “they know I don’t agree with them,” many Democratic activists believe that Clinton represents the type of “change” that 81 percent of the country wants to see. Owing to her name recognition and the bitter polemics between Bill Clinton and the Republicans throughout the 90s, many believe Clinton is a polar opposite to George Bush.

Clinton has cultivated that contrast in debates, laying sole responsibility for the Iraq War on George Bush and criticized him for refusing to bring it to a conclusion. “This is George Bush's war,” Clinton said in the New Hampshire debate. “He is responsible for this war. He started the war. He mismanaged the war. He escalated the war. And he refuses to end the war.”

The recently revealed comments, however, indicate she may have more in common with George Bush when it comes to foreign policy than Americans are comfortable with. Insiders have sensed a conservative streak in Clinton all along. She positioned herself hawkishly on Iran and Palestine, telling an audience in Princeton two years ago that, “We cannot and should not – must not – permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons.” The bluster may carry enough innuendo for the policy wonks at the conservative-leaning university to conclude that for Clinton all options are on the table, but she always smoothes over her rhetoric with diplomatic overtures: “we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations."

As a result, many “activists” in the Democratic Party still see Clinton through rose-colored glasses, refusing to internalize her clear words on this audio tape and recognize that she disagrees with them on national security and foreign policy. Many remember the tumultuous Monica Lewinsky scandal, and take umbrage at the sexist media coverage of Clinton’s campaign. Many believe that if Clinton fails it will be decades before a woman is elected president.

But what comes across clearly in Clinton’s private comments is her ease in referring to the “activist base” in a way that’s at once reductive and dismissive. It is the articulation of an attitude in Washington among Democratic politicians toward the views of their supporters that some have always suspected exists.

The media has largely blacked out news of the audio clip, and her comments have traveled almost nowhere since last Friday. In interviews with four news savvy progressive leaders, none of them had heard the comments.

Dan Jacoby is an organizer with Democracy for New York City, a local coalition group of Democracy for America, the organization Howard Dean founded with a mission to promote greater, eh hem, “activism” in local, state and national politics.

He took issue with her reasoning for why she’s losing the caucuses. “She’s losing the caucuses because she didn’t fight the caucuses,” Jacoby said. “It’s partly because she didn’t try, and she’s out of touch with what the Democrats stand for.” In some measure, Clinton’s comments have raised again the question: What do the Democrats stand for?

There are loyal OpEdNews readers who oppose the Democratic Party and advocate a third party that adheres more closely to progressive values. Others believe that DC corrupts absolutely…Ghandi would end up taking bribes for military contracts, so forget even trying.

Others, like Michael Jay, an elected delegate for the Democratic Party from the 42nd district and member of its progressive caucus, say there is hope for a more progressive Party. Jay is also a special projects coordinator for Progressive Democrats of America nationally and is involved locally in Los Angeles.

“No progressive would have a problem with the Democrats if they would just adhere to the platform,” Jay said. In California, the Democratic Party platform advocates “revoking authorization for the war and opposing any further appropriations except for removing troops,” Jay said. “I can count on one hand the number of Democrats who adhere to the Party’s platform.”

Jay agrees with Clinton’s notion of a divide in the Party, but characterizes it as a split between the leadership and the progressive activists. “The difference is the people who unthinkingly say this is our team and the ultimate goal is to get Democrats elected,” Jay said. “Progressives are even looking to further advance the platform. We are a lot more like real democrats than incumbents and most of the party apparatus.”

Jay also believes that if a Democrat doesn’t win this year it is because the party is still trying to act Republican-lite. “The Democratic Base is disgusted with [elected Democrats]. The People I know are disgusted to hopelessness with the party.”

“Democratic leaders think they look strong when they actually don’t: in standing up to the president. I mean we’re in the greatest constitutional crisis since the Civil war. It seems lost on the Democratic leadership. Based on the quote that you read me, it’s lost on [Clinton], I think.”

Frances Anderson is a former state coordinator for Progressive Democrats of America in New York. Anderson listened to the quote for the first time on Sunday and said, “I would think that every party would want to have an activist base. The very idea that Hillary Clinton is using ‘activist base’ in a disparaging way is a great example of where she’s coming from.”

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Virginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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ladybroadoakVirginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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Hilary has ALWAYS ignored an activist base

I cannot for the life of me figure out why people think she and Bill ever relied on them.

Lots of us were kicked out of America during their REIGN Last time, and democratic "activists" just let it happen.  People forget . she messed up the aboriginal rights movement as much as possible and Leonard Peltier still is imprisoned due to their disregard for the Consistution.  His incarceration has nothing to do with shooting FBI agents (records about which just got released, btw) - but because he was anti uranium mining.

I learned the hardest way possible about the ruthless of HiLIARy, I know where she got her wealth (still way under reported btw) - and I have no respect for her at all.  I never will, and neither will any of her handpicked victims.

I always tell people to check this out .. and least he got out from under her and lived to tell the tale.  No one is listening as yet to my story, sad to say.

www.peterfpaul.com

The only way I can see to get rid of the corruption in DC is to raze the whole place and build it over .. in North Dakota or somewhere at this point.

 

by ladybroadoak (37 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 392 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 9:49:27 AM
 


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Jason PazThe articles reflect additional thoughts that expand on the author's ten volumes Genesis Begins the Millennia. The work begins in 1995 with a fictional account of ordinary Israelis absorbed with everyday events. There are extraordinary happenings the characters gradually recognize as portents of the Messianic Age. Volumes four and five show why the Messiah decided to delay His arrival.
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The Activist Base Generally Ignores the Real Afflictions

In no special order, I list problems unaddressed. Sale of nuclear secrets to the highest bidder, government-run trafficking in drugs and human beings, torure, corporate use of slave labor, abduction across international borders and human rights abuse.

The culprits thrive in federal, state and local governments throughout the world. Any talk of reform or revolution is premature. The first step is to define and to publicize the problems. It should not be left to a handful of whistle blowers to risk their lives to shed light on these matters.

All of us should stand with them. 

by Jason Paz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 72 comments) on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at 4:27:02 AM
 


The author lives in small-town Indiana and is a Web-based writer and analyst covering news, politics, and international affairs.
JohnPeeblesThe author lives in small-town Indiana and is a Web-based writer and analyst covering news, politics, and international affairs.

Imperfect Choice

Whatever can be said negatively of Hillary could certainly be worse with McCain. So we have an election to win, not an internal squabble to resolve.

I like the article as it doesn't attack Hillary, merely points out her failure to bond with the base. She could be so much more effective if...

Clinton's attitude is perceived as elitist but so is most anyone who comes out of Washington. Bush masterfully pretended not to be a red neck, an approach with scored big points in the game of identity politics that master strategists are now using as a wedge issue.

I found a raw chord in Clinton's observation that Obama supporters "...flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Obama has inspired a cult-like following who attack anyone who dares criticize the object of their fixation, as I discovered when I wrote that I believe Obama is unelectable despite his qualificiations. The response to that proved to me that Obama fanatics are convinced they've already won the nomination. They believe racism is not a factor because it isn't important to them.

None of this has anything to do with Hillary's qualifications, only with her electability.  While passion and intimidation might propel Obama, he'll face scheming and character attacks many times larger than those Hillary has used. The people his supporters have cajoled might choose to take their revenge at that point, along with all the racists we can't wish away. 

by JohnPeebles (4 articles, 10 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 1:04:34 PM
 


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Peter WedlundFaculty member at University of Kentucky. Teacher, Researcher, social activist. Political independent who believes in better government, not necessarily smaller or larger government.

Clinton losing!

Well, this is what I love about Clinton supporters -- Obama supporters are fanatics.  Clinton is losing because the left wingers in the party don't agree with her.  Let's have a reality check here.  What happened when the health care effort she tried to muster through Congress failed?  She blamed the special interest groups.  WHat happened when husband Bill was criticized?  It was the Right Wing Conspiracy?  When she isn't getting someones support its not let me reach out to them, it is "screw 'em".  What happened when she lost in Democratic caucuses?  It is MoveOn.org that doesn't agree with her.    The press is unfairly attacking her.  The liberals are unfairly attacking her.  Seems nobody likes Senator Clinton.

I hear Senator Obama complain about personal attacks and I hear him complain about the old style of politics of fear, hate and divisiveness.  However, I never hear Obama blame a person or a group for his not accomplishing something, not connecting, not achieving something or for failing to reach people.  He is the first to admit he needs to do a better job when things go poorly.  He could have phrased a statement differently. It is never that group is out to get me. It is let me try to improve my message.

You can support a person who makes excuses for her problems or you can support an individual who looks ahead and says, "what do I have to do to change this and do a better job."  You can embrace someone who says "screw 'em" or you can embrace someone who reaches out to everyone.   If it is fanatical to like the later, so be it.  There is a major difference between the politician who complains and a politician who gets things done by trying to find answers instead of find excuses.  Washington is full of the later.  Personally, I think the difference between Clinton and Obama glaringly obvious, but then I'm fanatical about Obama so what would I know.

by Peter Wedlund (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 154 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 4:22:13 PM
 


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W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

Geoge Bush in a dress

What else do you expect from George Bush in a dress?

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (218 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 484 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 3:14:14 PM
 


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Ed EnchoEd Encho is a free lance writer, activist and consultant who resides in West Central Florida.  

The Case For McCain

Arguably McCain is less of a warmonger than the Queen given her recent comments that disappeared down the memory hole of an upping of the ante of U.S. intervention in the Middle East. Of course it all includes the "umbrella" over Israel to whose will our politicians continually bend over for despite a history of human rights attrocities and just pure dishonest bad citizenship.

Hell, at this point I don't think that McCain would be a bad thing, let the Clintons use their own version of the "Samson Option" to effectively nuke the Democratic party because quite frankly it is a pathetic excuse for an opposition party in it's current corporatist/militarist DLC incarnation.

Screw them all, whatever Obama's qualifications are are not important because the Clintonists have already pretty much destroyed the man and if they can't steal the nomination through the grace of Diebold or the corrupt pig superdelegates then they will just go with the messier JFK option. I would bet the house on the Clinton globalists though because such crude matters are messy and tend to make martyrs of individuals who could otherwise be destroyed via electronic assassination eagerly performed by lackeys like George Stephanopoulous and Chucky Gibson.

I say let McCain inherit it all, the impending collapse of the Ponzi scheme economy, the huge spike in gas prices, the food shortages courtesy of the slimy Democratic deals made with the big Kahunas of agribusiness to pimp that fraudulent ethanol scam, the growing unrest, the foreclosures, the wars etc....

Then just unify to flush the toilet in 2010 by mounting a concerted drive to oust EVERY incumbent in a cathartic bringing together of America against the fascist elitist scum who have hijacked our country.

The Clintons of the world could give a rat's ass about the ordinary working stiffs who are ensnared in a web of debt with no future other than that of slaves. A vote for McCain and the Republicans (or better yet just staying home in November) will serve the dual purpose of eradicating both the DLC and the Republican party who can deservedly reap the whirlwind of the Reagan class wars and the anti-constitutional Bushreich that he begat.

SCREW 2008: FLUSH THE TOILET IN 2010!

EE

by Ed Encho (6 articles, 12 quicklinks, 55 diaries, 385 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 5:50:35 PM
 


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Pat WilliamsI am a 65 year old widowed grandmother who just got health insurance after more than two decades without it which is difficult with Diabetes, asthma and hypertension. One of my sons is severely developmentally disabled by autism due to lead paint poisoning. I have spent much of my life caring for ill and disabled family members and advocating on their behalf. 

Clinton a mixed bag

Hillary does care very much about many issues that agree with progressives. But her views on war are another thing. And let's face it, as long as we stay on hold in a war mode, though Congress never authorized a war so it is not official, everything else is disrupted and corrupted. Obama, on the other hand, is far more center left. I would have preferred Edwards as he made it quite clear he wanted to take on the corporations as he had through the courts so many times. But Obama may yet do the same. First he must get elected. Nobody knows whether racism is still strong enough to defeat Obama. I don't believe it is in this year of recession, a huge housing crisis, rising costs of necessities and the devaluation of the dollar, aside from the elephant in the room, war, the accompanying corruption and the ill-treatment of our vets. And don't forget the Gulf Coast and New Orleans. Comes a time when people start looking at each other and opting for a change. 

by Pat Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 82 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 6:34:15 PM
 


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shirley reeseI am a college graduate, a loyal patriot of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a person whose convictions and pessimism drive my thought invoking others to think, and enjoy some politcal debate. I like truth even if it doesn't set you "free" in this US of A any longer. I am a liberal.
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I'm thrilled you're not letting this tiger go

This topic needs to be rewound and replayed over and over and I am pleased that Mister Powers is keeping it going.

Hillary isn't going to end the Iraq quackmire--no way--no how. She is heavily funded by Blackwater and she would be cutting the hand off that feeds her campaign. She's funded by Rupert Murdoch as well. Of course many don't even know that name but the ACTIVISTS DO.

She's just like the republicans, always blaming the Liberals (the activists in this case). However, the Libertarians are for ending the war and if they get word about her statement (they have become extremely active in the last few years), they will certainly NOT vote for her. It's a lose-lose, Hill baby.

All she has is those lousy voting machines. Frankly, I'm sure she has them already rigged. She did her tricks in TX and OH. Don't think for a minute, she won't pull them in Penn.

I do believe her chubby thighs are going to sink the Democratic party ship and usher in McBush and more of the same insane policies. Deep down she wants Mac for Prez more than anything. I hear it. I see it. I feel it. You know Mac will pick Leiberman for VP--sure looks that way. Hill would likely pick Chertoff...heh heh heh. OMG.

 One more thing, Rev Wright consoled her and Bill when Billy had the "debacle" with Monica. Pictures are on the net with Wright at the whitehouse with Bill. The gall of her to slam Obama for Wright when she knew damn well that her and Bill called upon his wisdom for their Crap. What a two faced liar. Then she goes on that religious set on CNN and sounds almost like the bible thumping Hagee or Falwell with her spiritual phoniness and sleeve wearing righteousness. Man, I can't stand her! Can you tell? LOL.

 

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 278 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 9:44:44 PM
 


i am retired military veteran. i served over 25 years in the Unites States Army. i retired in 1983. i served in the vietnam war. a total of 27 months in that war. i also retired from Boeing aircraft. i am 68 years old. i live in texas. iwork out on my treadmill each day. i am married. i like politics. but i dont like what is going on in our government. we need a better government with politicans that answer to the people of america. after all this is our government. ( we the people) according to...

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vincent passiatorei am retired military veteran. i served over 25 years in the Unites States Army. i retired in 1983. i served in the vietnam war. a total of 27 months in that war. i also retired from Boeing aircraft. i am 68 years old. i live in texas. iwork out on my treadmill each day. i am married. i like politics. but i dont like what is going on in our government. we need a better government with politicans that answer to the people of america. after all this is our government. ( we the people) according to...

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Clinton Losing

Hillery is to faced. a lier, and a complete flip flop. she is another george bush. a republican who never changed her mind. running as a democrat she is out to destroy the democrat party. For her stupid EGO, and her dum husband. i lost all respect when Bill Clinton let Bush and his gang of monsters set him up for having a little sex in the white house. That sex was nothing to compare what Bush has done to america. if the democrats had a backbone and were not a bunch of spineless morons, bush would have been impeached by now.now lets talk about our government. this war in Iraq is a scam. america was all set up by Israel. Israel is and always will be americas ally. another thing Israel control's the world banks and america. This is were all the money is. THAT IS WHAT THIS WAR IS ABOUT.(MONEY) greed makes the world go around. if the people in this country had a brain they could see the wealthy control america and the world. slaves in america working for greedie people. The oil corporations are just one example.

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I'm a Clinton Progressive and I'm a Candidate

This article makes sweeping claims which I don't buy. Clinton is more progressive on many domestic issues, which she articulates, unlike Obama. She is more in touch with the needs of working class people if you look at her proposals. She doesn't believe in voluntary buy in from the health care providers, she believes in regulation. She recognized the need to address foreclosures and didn't cop out with the moral hazard argument of Obama.

Clinton did mess up about the war but she is on target now. She didn't go for impeachment and accountability and I hope she will do better for the economy. However, she doesn't have a cold-war tri-lateral commission advisor, such as Obama, with Brzezinski, who will get us into a conflagration with Russia and a draft to go along with it.

There is much about Obama that the cultists won't look at, in their zeal. There is no cloud over my eyes. I will support Clinton but I have no illusions and I would prefer Gravel or Nader if they could make it. I'm running for the U.S. Senate in Maine and I vote!

Laurie Dobson

Maine's Original Independent for U.S. Senate

Dependent upon the people of Maine

Check out my website! www.dobsonforsenate.com 

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As a candidate for the U.S Senate,

you would know what the U.S. Constitution says about passing Agreements like NAFTA.

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