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April 16, 2008 at 09:04:42

Headlined on 4/16/08:
Notes from the "Bitter and Frustrated" Heartland

by Dave Lindorff     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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By Dave Lindorff

I find it interesting that among the responses to my recent column about Obama’s “bitterness and frustration” comments regarding rural Americans, those that came from rural folks—including from the two towns I mentioned in Upstate New York—backed him up.

I don’t know how this will all play out in Pennsylvania’s primary next Tuesday. I’m terrible at predicting these things. But I have a suspicion that the people who are in a snit over Obama’s comments are either rabid Republicans or are already firmly committed Hillary Clinton fans (who seem perfectly happy to have this $100-million net worth child of wealth and privilege pretend, Bush-like, to be a good 'ol gal). Those who support Obama are unlikely to change their views, and may even become more committed to making it to the polls. In the end, it all could be a ratings-driven media dust-up. But meanwhile. It’s worth reading what some country folk have to say about it all.

Here’s one from observation from a guy in Spencer, NY, where I lived in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and about which I wrote in my piece:

“I have lived in Spencer for the past 20 years, and I have found that your sentiments match my experience. Folks who live in places like Spencer vote for Republicans and conservatives. However, when they when engaged on the issues and how policy affects them, they seem to realize that voting as they have is against their interests. Yet, they don't change their voting habits due to false images from the media, particularly from political advertising.

“I believe that one solution to the problem of people voting against their interests can come through public financing of elections. The issues are taxes (i.e., they vote for tax cuts that hurt them but help those with much higher incomes), health care ("socialized" medicine would help most rural people), and war (that hurts Americans and Iraqis).

“It might take a complete collapse of our economy on par with the 1930's coupled with an increasingly disastrous war in Iraq (and/or Iran, and/or Venezuela) to bring about real change and a movement back to a republic from an imperial empire.”

From Hancock, NY, where my wife and I own a summer house—actually a neutered old Methodist church and rectory we bought back in the mid ‘80s for $16,500—and which I also cited in my column, comes this comment:

“Since I'm an Obama Mama, can I be dismissed from the description of upstate New Yorkers? I so agree with you though. When our son (now grown) was a little tyke and he tanned so easily, I would sometimes get funny looks from the 'good old boys’...the sad part was, many of them were related to us!”

Then there’s this note from Florida:

“I grew up in the rural midwest--a farmboy. Largest town I ever lived in was pop. 3200 but I graduated high school in a town of 608--so white the bedsheets looked pale in comparison. I graduated with honors in '68 and everybody wanted me to go to college--fair in math, but excelled in English and history. I was a good athlete, but no star. I was 17 and my parents didn't want me to join the Army so they wouldn't sign--waited till I was 18 and went.

“My dad was a WWII vet in the Navy {all the Pacific Theater}, my two older brothers had already been to Nam and back. My dad said a time comes when a man's family has given enough--I didn't disagree with that, but at the time felt I needed to go and do it. Can't describe the hurt in his eyes the day I left home [I don't think I ever hurt the old man more with anything I'd ever done--I am not proud of that moment either,

“I could see the fear in his eyes, but was too full of myself}.
Did my 3 years and maybe would have stayed, but had issues with command decisions that were getting people dead...kind of like today. I did my duty, and then some, no big medals, just the usual. Took the heat I needed to and dodged most of the fast moving metal objects. Came home sans bodybag, more than I can say for some friends. I didn't mind the death and carnage around me, I was a soldier, it was our business, but felt too many of the wrong people were dying.

“Got married, started a business, raised 3 kids--all through college now and successfully on their own (I was lucky, they were smart and knew where they were headed from the start). The oldest is 35 w/PhD in English and is teaching at a midwest university, the other 2 have computer degrees and develop software.
“Everything you wrote about in this essay is true. It was like going home again. Scary.

“You are most correct in your assessment and Obama needn't retract a word--it's all true. After all those years I never understood why the people hurt the most by the politician they voted for --just keep on voting for him/her/them.”

From Wisconsin (which voted heavily for Obama in the primary there), a rural correspondent writes:

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Loud Dobbs Audience is BITTER!

Tonights Poll on Lou Dobbs Show WAS:

Which of these Best Describes your Attitude as an American Citizen?
- Partisan & Pitiful
- Bitter & Angry
- Independent & Proud


Dobbs took every opportunity during the show to escalate and legitimize the attack on Obama for his 'Bitter" statement.

I Missed the end of the show so I don't know if Dobbs aired the results - sometimes he doesn't for various reasons

Here are the Results - KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS DOBBS' Audience! Taken from Dobbs Website immediately after the show.

Which of these Best Describes your Attitude as an American Citizen?
- Partisan & Pitiful.....2% (151)
- Bitter & Angry........66% (5030)
- Independent & Proud...32% (2493)

Sorry Lou - Your Viewers are Bitter and apparently WITH Obama - now cut the crap!
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pS I have a screen print of the website to prove these numbers but I don't have the authority to post it here.

by Phred42 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 9:35:22 AM
 


Voluntarily retired California county elected official.
Shirley BianchiVoluntarily retired California county elected official.

Bitter and angry

So -- I live in rural California.  During the '04 election I had friends who voted for Bush because of abortion and also guns.  We have a large Hispanic community, and there is some resentment, although most people see the hard work that they do. 

But I will never forget the beat-up old truck with the bumper sticker:

Vote Republican:  God, Guns, Guts

by Shirley Bianchi (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 93 comments) on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 2:09:21 PM
 


Kathlyn Stone is a Minnesota-based writer covering science and medicine, health care and related policies. She publishes www.fleshandstone.net, a health and science news site.
Kathlyn StoneKathlyn Stone is a Minnesota-based writer covering science and medicine, health care and related policies. She publishes www.fleshandstone.net, a health and science news site.

The so-called gaffe changed no minds

People who already disliked Obama seized on the comments. The Washington Press Corpse has nothing better to do than manufacture news out of nothing.

Michelle Obama said last night on Colbert that her family in south Chicago was so elitist they had four spoons in the house. Just four. Until her dad got a raise at the plant and then they had five.

For the record, I moved past anger into bitterness in November 2004.

by Kathlyn Stone (42 articles, 217 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 633 comments) on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 2:26:25 PM
 


Just a rock'n roll girl caught between DC and NY. Currently doing PR for a non profit called the National Campaign for a Peace Tax Fund.
Suzanne SmithJust a rock'n roll girl caught between DC and NY. Currently doing PR for a non profit called the National Campaign for a Peace Tax Fund.

I'm beyond bitter

I'm horrified on a daily basis, all day, everyday I'm even a little fascinated that anyone can still proudly vote/support the GOP. This country has become the worst nightmare imaginable. Think about it - if 20 years ago someone told you things would turn out like this, you would not have believed them, honestly.

by Suzanne Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 9:35:33 PM
 



Wolfie

archie bunker knew the truth

when people viewed the program, they laughed with archie not at him!

do you want pansies, and commie lefties giving your money to

welfare queens?

come on, you prejudiced amerikakans. let us get the bombs on

the terrorists in iran, and iraq, and afganhistan, and new york, and los

angeles. if you can't take the heat of a lil' ole nuclear holocaust then get

out of the kitchen!

progressives are subversive. liberals are elitist. democrats are so passe'.

 

wolfie wants mc lame to cure the nation of all this diversity that would

question the way we were.

by Wolfie (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 29 diaries, 1176 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 2:59:09 AM
 

 

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