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December 21, 2007 at 08:53:20

Headlined on 12/21/07:
Turning online popularity into real world votes: how Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich can win

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I'm writing today because of the very real threat that Ron Paul's and Dennis Kucinich's online popularity will not translate into a real world win in the presidential election. I believe that Paul or Kucinich can win, and the key to victory is simple: We know how to “spam” internet polls and even many straw polls. Of course I use the term “spam” facetiously; we win because we're driven and organized. We must now use our organizational skills and drive to “spam” the primary elections.

The importance of primary elections may be obvious to the politically savvy, but many people do not even know what primary elections are. Many who know about primaries don't care enough to participate in them. Voter turnout in primary elections is, sadly, consistently low. In 2004, only 11.4 percent of Democrat voters participated in the primary elections. Consequently, the worst possible Democratic candidate was chosen to go up against Bush. Ask you friends and family members about primary elections, and you'll be surprised at how many of them don't really know what primaries are. For some reason, primary elections are the best kept open secret in American politics, even though they're even more important than the general elections. This is why I'm worried. Powerful people make sure to vote in primaries. Normal people don't. It won't be a shock to me if only half of the internet's rabid Paul and Kucinich supporters bother to participate in the primaries – but this can't be allowed to happen.

If the most ardent Paul and Kucinich supporters don't go to the primaries, all their successful grassroots fund raisers and internet poll victories mean squat. Unfortunately, getting someone to send money through Paypal or click a link to a poll might prove far easier than persuading them to actually get up off their asses and get to a polling station, much less go through the trouble of registering to vote. But this, ultimately, is all that matters. So if you're involved in a grassroots movement, the primary election is your ultimate battle and requires you to redouble your efforts. Start getting out the message now, whether it's through your blog, email list, or message board: register to vote now, if you haven't already. Find out where your polling station is, when your primary takes place, and then, be damned sure to vote.

But that's only if we want a chance of winning; we'll be far from certain victory. Sure, we can absolutely dominate internet polls, but that means nothing in the real-world primaries (remember Howard Dean?). All that matters are real-world votes. We're dedicated and resourceful, but how do we turn our dedication and resourcefulness into the type of numbers needed to win a primary?

There is a way.

Remember all those friends and family members of yours who never vote in primary elections? Oh yes, you're going to need to take all of them with you – dragging them if you have to – to “spam” the primary elections.

If you think this is a strange idea, realize that this is true campaigning. Winning elections means, ultimately, getting people to vote. And there's a good chance that, if they vote, your friends and family members will vote for Paul or Kucinich.

Think about the kind of person you are. You want the bloodbath in Iraq to end and our civil liberties to be restored. You love peace and freedom. If you're this cool, the people you care about must be pretty cool. Maybe friends who are smart but lazy. You need to go to work on them. Surely you have a couple asshole friends, too, who'd probably just vote for Giuliani – don't bother with them. But start talking to your cool friends, the ones who would like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. Tell them why you are excited about your favorite candidate. Tell them about their positions and domination of internet polls. Show them clips from the debates on Youtube. Tell them about the how important the primaries are. Then, ask them to vote with you.

It can be pretty easy to get people excited about Paul and Kucinich. So many people hate Bush and would love to vote for the guy who's trying to impeach Cheney. My best friend, who is a lazy, apathetic bum, had a sudden attitude change when I told him that Ron Paul supports gun rights and legalization of drugs and prostitution. Almost before I could finish the sentence, he said, “Dude, I'm in.”

If a potential Paul or Kucinich supporter resists your appeals, apply pressure. For instance, I promised my father-in-law that I'll never listen to his political rants again if he doesn't bother to vote in the primary. I think the threat worked! My brother-in-law, a poor college student who lives with my wife and I, will be denied all access to my special cane-sugar root beer stash if he neglects his civic duty. As positive reinforcement, I'm also buying dinner for everyone who votes. Money well spent.

Of course, I'll have to do all the work required, and so will you. If you know people who need to register, you'll have to get the forms, fill in the information that you know, pester your friends until they finish and sign the forms, and then mail the forms yourself. You'll also have to find out where your friends' polling places are and, probably, drive their lazy asses there yourself. If you need more drivers, enlist your lover or spouse. If this sounds like a pain, imagine four to eight years under Giuliani. And face it: this is how elections are won.

Remember, if the people we love don't vote in the primaries, they are the reason why our country is in a mess. It's your fault too – and mine – because we let them get a way with it. We don't put the pressure on them to do the one damn thing they need to do – just once every four years, for goodness' sake – to make sure this country is governed by sane people. Well, it can't happen this year. We're going to have to find a way to get our friends to vote.

Let me leave you with this thought. In the 2004 Iowa caucuses, Howard Dean would have won, had each of his voters brought two like-minded friends.

 

Daniel N is a website entrepreneur and concerned citizen.

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My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
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ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

vOTING IS A DUTY

Those who do not participate in the process are doing themselves and this nation a disservice. Further they abet the theft of elections.

I would note that I am far from a Ron Paul supporter but those of you who are must consider registering Republican in order to vote for him in the primary. Of course then you will not be able to vote for Kucinich....

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 11:09:28 AM
 


10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,
Gallaher10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,

To many dumb people.

The dumb masses have been told by the T.V. media who the winners will be.

No one wants to say they voted for a loser. Your president is picked by the Media, not the people. They just wander over to the voting booths after being programed as to who they should vote for.  ;-)

Go America, Yea!

by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 537 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 1:20:04 PM
 


My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

All power to the people

I am definitely one of the rudest people on this forum in that I am insulted by stupidity, by lies and by lazy thinking. I cross the line far to often in telling some folks what I think of their silliness. But I will never do as you have done, sir, and insult the entire electorate. If you are correct in your assessment of the majority ( how many is too many?) then we have no hope.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 2:38:01 PM
 


progressive and dont believe its a 3 letter word!
michael burettaprogressive and dont believe its a 3 letter word!

how Kucinich wins

exactly what i have been telling folks for along time ..the primarys count so much more because thats what determins who comes to "the big dance" in november. If any of our efforts are to be for anything its to get our group to the primarys and vote!

When the christian right took over the republican party it was simply a matter of numbers they swamped the caucuses and primarys (where so few people bother to vote) with there committed people and, wala the rest was history for all thease past years.

   If we really want change its down in the trenches house by house neigbor to neighbor to get out our vote drive em put em in your kids wagon if ya have to but get them to the polls. Thats how we win.

For those new to this I recommend checking out "Democracy for Americas" web site under night classes and learn some basics about organising in your precint it's free download the pdf and the mp3. You dont have to agree with any point of view but the info is good. It all starts in your own precint to win we need to know who supports our cause and that takes talking to your neighbors and finding out so on election day you know who to check on. Suprising thing is talking neighbor to neighbor and handing out some info you might be surprised that there are more of us out there than ya think. It also gives them a shot in the arm to know they arn't alone ether.

                                         mike

                            in rice lake wi

 

by michael buretta (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 5:49:00 PM
 


Graduate of Hamline University St. Paul MN in International Relations and Political Science. 
Mike GermainGraduate of Hamline University St. Paul MN in International Relations and Political Science. 

Ron Paul psychosis

What else to call it when otherwise intelligent human beings are duped by a rascist, fascist charlatan.

What kind of nonsense are we going to be forced through after his own party rejects him?

Let me guess, more conspiracies.

by Mike Germain (0 articles, 15 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 7:11:13 PM
 


If you want to find out who I am you can probably do it.  Don't know why I'd want to tell you.
Michael PriceIf you want to find out who I am you can probably do it.  Don't know why I'd want to tell you.

Anti-Ron Paul psychosis

What else to call it when otherwise intelligent human beings are duped by claims that the least rascist, least fascist candidate is a racist and facist?  Look up what "fascism" means and look up what Ron Paul stands for, notice anything?  That's right they're diametric opposites in almost every way!  As for racism for a start it wouldn't matter if the president is a racist if he doesn't have the power or inclination to implement his prejudices.  Only a Ron Paul presidency is likely to achieve that.  And the so-called evidence for his racism is that an aide (who was fired) said something things that seemed racist out of context (and possibly in context as well, I haven't seen them in context).

by Michael Price (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 8:13:58 PM
 


Ginny Ross is a lawyer activist in Oregon seeking to end the coup of the USA by anti-constitutional corporatist forces that are eroding our democracy and looting our treasury through imperial wars, controlled media, controlled elections and false flag terrorism. See http://www.oregontruthalliance.org. Active since 2000 and working to shed light on the stolen elections of 2000, 2002 and 2004 and seeking impeachment and prison terms for the unelected, homicidal lunatics who are stealing our coun...

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Ginny RossGinny Ross is a lawyer activist in Oregon seeking to end the coup of the USA by anti-constitutional corporatist forces that are eroding our democracy and looting our treasury through imperial wars, controlled media, controlled elections and false flag terrorism. See http://www.oregontruthalliance.org. Active since 2000 and working to shed light on the stolen elections of 2000, 2002 and 2004 and seeking impeachment and prison terms for the unelected, homicidal lunatics who are stealing our coun...

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Votes are not enough

All that matters are real-world votes

... Actually, the key is the "counting" of those votes according to how they were cast. Bush has never been elected by any majority, ever. It is only due to the lack of real and transparent elections that he is in office. So be sure not to simply get the votes. Get the votes counted.

by Ginny Ross (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 9:20:49 PM
 


retired and loving it
dave stanleyretired and loving it

Turning online popularity into real world votes:

Ron Paul is without a doubt the people's candidate,yet Today the systems is so stacked against him.



We have the electoral college ,the E-voting machines,and supreme judges lined up against him.

the system is so corrupt, that to elect the people's candidate ,we need to riot if he loses .in order to restore fairness to the vote system. something that should have been done in 2000 but back then where were the people rioting.

afraid like children in the dark to even think of a riot,too christian for their own good,too civilized for their own good.

If we are not prepared to go the distance ,then America is done for.

by dave stanley (5 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 286 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 9:29:45 PM
 


My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

Ego driven politics

Paul may be your choice but that certainly is a far cry from making him out to be the "peoples candidate". You need to really, truly, get a grip. Paul may garner more than ten percent of the primary vote, mostly from folks who have failed to properly research his politics which will further loosen the controls on rampant capitalistic greed and its associated dangers. But all that will signify is the paucity of good candidates not the groundswell of support for a political philosophy, Libertarianism, that will undo all of FDR's great social constructs. Pity really.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Sunday, December 23, 2007 at 8:46:48 AM
 


My goal at this point in my life is to wake up the sleeping American public. Am a lowly public servant who'll likely be working til I'm 65 since universal healthcare doesn't seem to be on its way to our nation any time soon. My spare time is spent speaking out for Peace and an end to war as the solution to any problem our country sees as affecting it.
paz loveMy goal at this point in my life is to wake up the sleeping American public. Am a lowly public servant who'll likely be working til I'm 65 since universal healthcare doesn't seem to be on its way to our nation any time soon. My spare time is spent speaking out for Peace and an end to war as the solution to any problem our country sees as affecting it.

Primaries...

Gosh, the Primary in my state, Washington, might as well not exist as the Democratic Party has chosen to totally ignore the wishes of the folks who will turn out. Instead they will select their candidate through precinct caucuses and party conventions at various levels, concluding at the State Convention. That way the Party bosses can maintain control. Check it out. We'll spend gazillions  putting on a Primary but the votes will count for absolutely nothing!

by paz love (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 70 comments) on Saturday, December 22, 2007 at 3:00:07 AM
 


progressive and dont believe its a 3 letter word!
michael burettaprogressive and dont believe its a 3 letter word!

caucus

i used to live in washington and the caucus was a good way of advancing your candidate from the ground up. attend your local caucus be persuasive and push dennis forward.

by michael buretta (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Saturday, December 22, 2007 at 6:00:06 PM
 


My goal at this point in my life is to wake up the sleeping American public. Am a lowly public servant who'll likely be working til I'm 65 since universal healthcare doesn't seem to be on its way to our nation any time soon. My spare time is spent speaking out for Peace and an end to war as the solution to any problem our country sees as affecting it.
paz loveMy goal at this point in my life is to wake up the sleeping American public. Am a lowly public servant who'll likely be working til I'm 65 since universal healthcare doesn't seem to be on its way to our nation any time soon. My spare time is spent speaking out for Peace and an end to war as the solution to any problem our country sees as affecting it.

didn't work in 2004...

Tried what the "pushining" in 2004 election, was even a PCO. All I heard was stuff like...although I agree with Kucinich's stand on issues, he isn't electable" and then folks would vote for Kerry 'cause he was "electable". In 2004 the State Party machine actually did count the votes in the Primary; this time it is all just for show. I'm not wasting my time. I'll speak out in the community but I learned by lesson in 2004. The Party bigwigs have made up there minds.... and it is not DK they support.

by paz love (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 70 comments) on Saturday, December 22, 2007 at 8:33:21 PM
 


KEVIN STODA has been blessed to have either traveled in or worked in nearly 100 countries on five continents over the past two and a half decades.  He sees himself as a peace educator and have been   a promoter of good economic and social development--making him an enemy of my homelands humongous spending and its focus on using weapons to try and solve global issues."I am from Kansas so I also use the pseudonym 'Kansas' when I write and publish.  I...

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ALONEKEVIN STODA has been blessed to have either traveled in or worked in nearly 100 countries on five continents over the past two and a half decades.  He sees himself as a peace educator and have been   a promoter of good economic and social development--making him an enemy of my homelands humongous spending and its focus on using weapons to try and solve global issues."I am from Kansas so I also use the pseudonym 'Kansas' when I write and publish.  I...

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COULD you guys spam me, too?, thanks

Dear internet interested mobilizers,

I would have liked a little more clear direction as to how to do this "spamming' effectively and "fairly"

As some of you know, I running several on-line expermines currently and would like more insight into how this, i.e. spamming, is done in a fair way.

Second, I am running to force Pat Roberts (Rep--Senator of Kansas) out of office and off the Republican ticket in 2008.  So, I would specifically like help from Kansans who are progressive and know how to do this in their state.

Third, I am simultaneously running for President of the United States agains the other so-called Evangelicals, so-called progressives, and so-called true blue Americans in iowa.  I would like some help[ applying this spamming technique in Iowa caucuses in early January. 

I will be glad to write up a history of how this is carried out fairly and put it on a how-to-web site for other progressives running for office for the rest of 2008 if you keep me informed as to what you are doing and how the process of "spamming" proceeds and evolves over the next month or so.

 http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alone_071201_day_2_of_the_campaig.htm

Kevin Stoda

 

by ALONE (120 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 270 comments) on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 at 10:10:38 AM
 

 

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