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December 1, 2007 at 12:55:58

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The Dark Side Of Christianity

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American Fundamentalists are hearing two gospels and we are being told to have a split personality. Sometimes we are told to be like Casper while other times we are told to be like the Emperor from Star Wars. And, oddly enough, one can enable the other.

The good news is that, as individuals, we are commanded to be like Casper—that is we are to “be kind to every living creature.” Why? Because we are to treat others how God treats us. How did God treat us? God, by sending his Son, showed kindness to his enemies—that includes us. Whether the object of our benevolence is friend or foe, God’s mercy to us compels us to care for others.

But something gets lost in the translation when we kind and compassionate individual Christians get together to become a Christian nation; we become mean and intolerant. And the all important question becomes why? How can the whole become far less than the sum of its parts?

Some have proposed that our puritanical attitudes toward sex provide a negative energy that we take out on others. That might be true to a degree for some. But perhaps an additional explanation can be seen in the writings of Martin Luther. In his book “On The Jews And Their Lies,” besides his horrific anti-Semitism, Luther gives us an important peek at the mindset of Christians who attempt to rule a country. Luther said that if his fellow German Christians allowed Jews to misrepresent Christ as he saw it, then they joined the Jews in their sin.[1] Therefore, according to Luther, the Christian society of his day would have to punish the Jews for their non-belief to prove themselves to God.

At this point, we should note that Christians are creating a perfect pressure cooker when they attempt to rule a nation. The heat comes from a Christian’s desire to prove his or her righteousness. The pot is the Christian nation that provides neither relief nor escape for the non-Christian. This means that as Christians show their intolerance for sin, non-Christians both resent and resist which causes conflict. That, in turn, puts Christians in the role of showing even greater intolerance which in turn creates greater conflict and so on and so on.

Ironically, Christians don’t realize that when they try to force unnecessary rules on a nation, they cause both non-Christians and themselves to sin. First, they give non-Christians non-religious reasons to reject the Gospel by making non-Christians react to control issues. Second, by putting themselves in the position of proving themselves to God, these Christians stop showing the same mercy to others which they receive from God.

One only needs to review the history of some of Christianity’s greatest champions to see how this logic has played out. Again, if we read part 11 of Luther’s book “On The Jews And Their Lies,” Luther suggested that Jewish synagogues and schools be burned, their houses destroyed, that they be threaten with loss of “limb” and even “life” if they teach their religion, and that Jews were to be banned from using highways and that is just for starters. Calvin approved of burning people at the stake in Geneva. And the Puritans not only slaughtered Indians, they punished and even put to death Quakers.

How do Christians escape feeling guilty for such a horrific history? We do so by focusing on how good we are as individuals. Remember that as individuals, we are kind and compassionate--hopefully. And we reason that if we are gracious to others as individuals and we are trying to save non-Christians from their sins when creating a Christian nation, then our means can't possibly be wrong but rather must be necessary and even merciful. Thus our behavior as individuals enables our cruelty when acting as a nation.

Two points must be made at this time. First, despite the best efforts made by some Christians, our nation is not a Christian nation. And yet, where Christians unnecessarily rub non-Christians the wrong way is when we make small efforts to enforce Christian morality on the nation. Attempts to keep the phrase “one nation under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, is just an example here. A more significant effort can be seen in how Christians have tried to keep homosexual marriage from becoming legal. In both cases, those who disagree are not given their rightful space.

Second, some religiously based moral points should become the law of the land. Martin Luther King Jr, because of his religious convictions, campaigned hard to not only demand racial equality, but also to ensure that people were paid fairly. The difference between what Martin Luther King Jr tried to do from what we see some fundamentalists try to do can be best described by saying that King fought oppression while today’s fundamentalists are battling to increase their control over others.

Why we Christians try to force too much of our morality on others is too complex to discuss here. What we often forget is that we have neither any New Testament command nor precedent that encourages us to do so. Rather, in New Testament times, non-Christians lived in a society that gave them space when they disagreed with Christian morality.

1. http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm, Part 11

 

Curt Day is a religious flaming fundamentalist and a political extreme moderate. Curt's blogs are at http://flamingfundamentalist.blogspot.com/ and http://extrememoderate.blogtownhall.com

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Christian? Nation?

'How do Christians escape feeling guilty for such a horrific history? We do so by focusing on how good we are as individuals. Remember that as individuals, we are kind and compassionate--hopefully. And we reason that if we are gracious to others as individuals and we are trying to save non-Christians from their sins when creating a Christian nation, then our means can't possibly be wrong but rather must be necessary and even merciful. Thus our behavior as individuals enables our cruelty when acting as a nation.'

The US is neither a Christian nor a nation yet. Serbs are Christians and  a Nation.  Ethiopians are Christians and not a nation now. It is rebuilt. Italians are a nation and a Christian one. The US people are a conglomerate of the groups and  the official overwhelming  religious denomination here is a SECT of a Lutheran Church.US ' Christians' are cultists.

How about them apples. 

by Mark Sashine (54 articles, 19 quicklinks, 252 diaries, 3605 comments) on Sunday, December 2, 2007 at 8:01:01 AM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Problem

The problem with arguing on emotional grounds is that one tends to be inaccurate.

Your arguement about the various Christian communities is confused and off the point I'm sure Curt was refering to the US a sectarian state like Eire. One can be a latter day druid and dance in paddocks naked there,frost bite asside, but the state has a state religion...Catholism and laws are made with demerence to that fact ie no abortions. under those circumstances the US could become a Christian Nation. You appear to be confusing Christian nation as defined with a Theocracy which it can't become for a number of reasons.

You really need to rethink your respose or make it clearer what you mean.

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 531 comments) on Sunday, December 2, 2007 at 4:34:52 PM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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The problem with Christanity and "nations"

The problem that Christianity and all other Religions have in the corporeal Nations is that of conflicting premises.

Religion is predicated on the concept of Absolute Authority and Nations are based on people and administrated by rules that are interpretive and often compromised. Truth can't be compromised else it ceases being the truth.

Logically for Christianity to be part of a nation it must become part of or a compromise on some issues which conflict or even contradict  which leads to the questioning of its Absolute Authority ( perfection, correctness)

The oly other alternative is a theocracy which must be prescribed, and dictatorial to comply with the letter of the holey texts... In reality that would living in  iron age conditions. The only viable solution is one taken from the New Testament " give to God what is God's (worshipet sec) and give to Caerar what is Caesar's (nations, governments)"

In this way Christianity maintains its authority in the individual's devotions. 

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 531 comments) on Sunday, December 2, 2007 at 5:06:09 PM
 


Curt Day is a religious flaming fundamentalist and a political extreme moderate. Curt's blogs are at http://flamingfundamentalist.blogspot.com/ and http://extrememoderate.blogtownhall.com
Curt DayCurt Day is a religious flaming fundamentalist and a political extreme moderate. Curt's blogs are at http://flamingfundamentalist.blogspot.com/ and http://extrememoderate.blogtownhall.com

To Examinator

First, thank you for your comments here.

Second, the real issue is the space in society that Christianity, or any other religion, gives to those who disagree.  If, instead of looking at it in black & white terms, we look at it on a continuum, the more any religion enforces its moral laws on society so that those who disagree with that religioin are punished by the state, the bigger the pressure cooker we have. That is the more a religion will exhibit and rationalize intollerance and cruelty and those outside the religion will resist unless there is the use of such overwhelming force that moral suicide is being committed.

This is why Christianity, or any religion, should be cautious when demanding that their morality should become law. It  destroys  both the nation and the religion. The guide for any religion should be whether the morality being pushed is protecting those who are experiencing oppression.

Speaking as a Christian fundamentalist, most of what my fellow flaming fundamentalists want to push on America falls into the category of being destructive to both Christianity and the nation. The touchy subject of Abortion, imo, is an exception here beause if the unborn child is a human, then overturning Roe V Wade would fall into the category of fighting oppression.

by Curt Day (43 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 41 comments) on Sunday, December 2, 2007 at 7:45:38 PM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Curt

As I read it you and I agree in the comments . Particularly in the continium issue regarding people but I'm not so sure about prescribed religions. As I said the only viable status for religion's authenticity is in the mind etc of the individual.

For Chritianity to remain pure variation must be discouraged. Additionally Religiosity( based on holy texts) to control a nation it must be codefied, these laws would be designed by definition to serve God not necessarilly the changing status or man.  A secular nation's focus is on the nation then to maintain the people with out which it can't exist . Pehaps I misunderstood the context of your original essay. I looked at it from a philosophical and legalistic approach. I am a fierce defender of the individuals rights for religion. After two years in a seminary college I concluded for me. That I am a non theist. And that religion has no part in Government as there are many versions of Morality and who in this world is perfect enough to decide impirically which is right!

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 531 comments) on Monday, December 3, 2007 at 2:43:30 AM
 


I am among a growing number of advocates of the work of he whos pen name is Joseph J. Adamson. I try to spread the word about it because I believe he has the most reasonable and practical solutions for our time, particularly to address religious and political conflicts. Whether or not he is divinely inspired and even called and chosen by God for this mission, as he claims, is not as important to me as the content and intent of his message. He truly seeks to establish a true family of religions t...

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Here's a great piece that speaks to that.

I found this site after reading an article on OpEdNews by the author. His web site fully explains how and why the "dark side" of Christianity was created by what he calls the "erroneous man-made doctrine of preeminence and superiority" which was established in the fourth century. He explains how and why it is what drives the Christian Right.

It's well worth the read... no matter what religion you belong to, or whether you're religious or not.

http://reformationcomingsoon.bravehost.com

 

 

by Isaiah Truman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 6:58:03 PM
 

 

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