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January 10, 2008 at 14:47:04

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DEMOLISHED vs. COLLAPSED - The Language of Deception

by By: Adam Ruff (Posted by Cheri Roberts)     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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The language of deception is used against us every day and most of us don’t even realize it has been done to us or realize the devastating effect it has on us. My task here is to expose some of the subtle deceptions hidden within the terminology we in the 9/11 truth movement use every day. My goal is to shine a light on the subtle deceptions that pass under our radar every day and to counter those deceptions with the language of truth.

First we have to consider how we in the 9/11 truth movement describe what happened to the World Trade Center (WTC)? The question is, should we say that WTC 1, 2, and 7 “collapsed” or should we say they were “demolished” and does it really matter all that much? At first glance it may not seem to be a particularly important question as to which word we use. I will expose however that it is, in fact, very important which word we use. Furthermore I want to reveal how and why the debate has been framed from the beginning by our opponents with the endlessly repeated use of just one simple word, “collapsed”.

To illustrate the problem let’s take a brief look at the definition for each of the two words that are commonly used to describe what happened to the WTC on 9/11. Using the dictionary found at http://www.refdesk.com/ we can compare the definition for collapse to the definition of demolish. Take a close look at the two definitions and note the subtle but important differences between them.

col·lapse

1. To fall down or inward suddenly; cave in.

de-mol-ish

1. To tear down completely; raze.

Consider for a moment the difference between something that has “fallen down” (collapsed) and something that has been “torn down” (demolished). It is obvious, once we look closely, that the two words really mean two completely different things. We should take note that the word “collapsed” was not chosen by the US Propaganda Ministry by accident. When applied to what happened to the WTC buildings, collapsed means the WTC buildings fell down, while demolished means they were torn down. One term implies the buildings “fell” or “caved in” as a result of weakening from fire and damage while the other term implies the towers were “torn down” or “razed” with pre-positioned explosives. Obviously the word you use to describe the demise of the WTC buildings will depend on your perspective of what happened right? Not necessarily if the debate has been framed in advance and we have been carefully conditioned through endless repetition in the corpstream media. If we have been “framed” we will see both ourselves and our adversaries using the term “collapsed” on a regular basis.

Take a moment to think about how marketing firms sell products to you. Do they ask you to buy their product? No they don’t. Do you even notice what they actually say in commercials and advertisements? Do they affect you subliminally? Advertisers tell you why you need their product, they tell you to buy it like a parent tells a child to brush his teeth. They don’t ask you anything. Watch a few commercials and see for yourself the technique in action, write down what they actually say so you can see it in print. Test it yourself see if you can find one professional print ad or commercial where the customer is asked to buy the product rather then told to buy it or one where the customer is asked his opinion of the product rather then told what his opinion should be. Politicians and their allies at the Disinformation Ministry use these techniques all day, every day to distort the truth and “frame” the debate on all kinds of issues. You can bet your bottom dollar they use these techniques to their fullest when talking about 9/11.

Marketing firms regularly work on political campaigns and even take the lead in designing huge propaganda efforts such as the now infamous baby incubator story. In that instance Hill and Knowlton, a large US marketing firm, trained the Kuwaiti Ambassadors daughter to come before Congress and lie about how Iraqi soldiers had taken babies out of their incubators and left them on the cold floor to die. How many people still don’t know that this story was a lie to this very day? How many don’t even realize they were tricked into supporting Desert Storm by a marketing firm and an aspiring young Kuwaiti actress? Wag the Dog anyone? http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/kelly/what.htm

Propaganda tactics like these have a very powerful effect on people and we have to understand how they work if we are going to have any hope of winning the information war. As 9/11 truth advocates we need to think carefully about how “framing the debate” is accomplished, how effective it is, and how to combat it effectively.

Consider this excerpt from Commondreams

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0912-20.htm

Take the term “tax relief,” for example. The phrase started appearing in White House press releases on the day President Bush took office, and it has been repeated over and over ever since. But it’s what is behind the words — the mental structure known as a “frame” — that matters as much as the words themselves.

For there to be “relief” there must be an affliction, an afflicted party harmed by the affliction, and a reliever who takes the affliction away and is therefore a hero. And if anybody tries to stop the reliever, he’s a villain wanting the suffering to go on. Add “tax” to the mix and you have a metaphorical frame: Taxation as an affliction, the taxpayer as the afflicted party, the president as the hero, and the Democrats as the villains.

Every time you hear the term, those subliminal meanings resonate. Once the campaign repeats the words day after day, they end up in every newspaper and on every TV and radio station, and the term becomes the way TV commentators and journalists talk about taxes. And pretty soon the Democrats are forced to talk about their own brand of “tax relief,” for the middle class. But by adopting the Republicans’ language, they have adopted one of the GOP’s central ideas. Every time they use the words, they reinforce the idea.

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Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments. He is Chair of the Independent Party of Maryland.
Joel S. HirschhornJoel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments. He is Chair of the Independent Party of Maryland.

Excellent point

People are victims of semantic warfare all the time and hardly know it.  When it comes to 9/11 nearly all Americans have been thoroughly brainwashed.  Another example: in our effort at www.foavc.org to get the nation's first Article V convention we try not to use the term second constitutional convention because that seems to imply for most people a total rewriting of the Constitution which they fear; in fact, an Article V convention is only about proposing amendments, that could provide the path for major political reforms, such as taking ALL private money out of politics.

by Joel S. Hirschhorn (133 articles, 37 quicklinks, 60 diaries, 533 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 3:30:17 PM
 


I am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.
Roark HowardI am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.

Oh, please.

Playing semantic games will not make your claims any more correct. 

 

However, if you insist. . .

 

Let me try it out:

 

“On 9/11, nineteen Muslim extremists conspired to demolish the World Trade Center, the White House and the Pentagon by crashing hijacked airliners into them.”

 

Yep, it works.  Thanks. 

by Roark Howard (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 350 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 7:46:56 PM
 


A 9/11 researcher and activist for over 6 years Adam has studied many aspects of 9/11 and false flag terror in depth. A staunch peace activist and advocate for non-violent civil disobedience Adam is a founding member of We Are Change Los Angeles.
Adam RuffA 9/11 researcher and activist for over 6 years Adam has studied many aspects of 9/11 and false flag terror in depth. A staunch peace activist and advocate for non-violent civil disobedience Adam is a founding member of We Are Change Los Angeles.

How did the "hijackers" demolish WTC 7?

One simple problem with your "jet fuel fires and impact damage demolished the towers" scenario is that WTC 7 was not hit by a plane or seriously damaged by falling debris. There are many more problems with the official conspiracy theory however the demolition of WTC 7 is enough to prove conclusively that 9/11 was not pulled of by the 19 hijackers alone.

by Adam Ruff (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 8:42:19 PM
 


I am an 9/11 truth activist and researcher. I have been carefully studying 9/11 for over 5 years now and have done a great deal of research about it.
adam ruffI am an 9/11 truth activist and researcher. I have been carefully studying 9/11 for over 5 years now and have done a great deal of research about it.

There are conflicting accounts about the damage to WTC 7.

Officer Craig Bartmer – WTC survivor.  NYPD officer.  9/11 first responder and rescue worker.  Disabled from respiratory illness caused by inhalation of toxic dust.

"I was real close to building 7 when it fell down. ... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it.  There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions.  I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing.  I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it?  I don't know -- but it's the truth. ...

I think we're being lied to.  The only answer to get to the bottom of that lie is a new investigation.  I think that the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce.  I think that the members that conducted it had conflicts of interest directly relating to not just our government but corporations intertwined with our government.  I think it's a farce; that we're being lied to.  There's not a word in it about Building 7.  Why? ...

I think it's time to demand a real investigation of the experience and let the truth come out in the wash.  Because I tell you what, if something, to use a police department term, if something hinky is going on, it will come out in a real investigation, not a farce like the 9/11 Commission Report. ...

I walked around it (Building 7).  I saw a hole.  I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though.  Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any -- I didn't hear any creaking, or I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down.  And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'...  It was at that moment ... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life.  The thing started peeling in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

I think I know an explosion when I hear it.  So, yeah, I want to know what took that building down.  I don't think it was the fire and it certainly wasn't a plane.  Yeah, it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying. -- Nothing to account for what we saw. -- I am shocked at the story we've heard about it, to be quite honest."

 

by adam ruff (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:13:28 AM
 


I am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.
Roark HowardI am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.

Is that all you got?

“Officer Craig Bartmer – WTC survivor. NYPD officer. 9/11 first responder and rescue worker. 

So he was not a firefighter trained to evaluate the conditions of burning buildings, is that right?

 (I’ll ignore your obvious and pathetic Appeal to Sympathy argument in that paragraph.) 

Captain Chris Boyle: "Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see." 

Since 9/11 truthers are in the youtube generation, please refute the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLDgjYuRHk    

by Roark Howard (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 350 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:50:56 AM
 


Electrical Engineer
Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

That (& the other evidence) is all a reasonable person needs

Is that all you got?

Ok, let's start by not pretending that that's all there is.

“Officer Craig Bartmer – WTC survivor. NYPD officer. 9/11 first responder and rescue worker. 

So he was not a firefighter trained to evaluate the conditions of burning buildings, is that right?

Well I guess their "training" didn't do much for them earlier, did it? How is it that their "training" failed them so badly with regard to WTC2?

Brian Dixon, the battalion chief of the New York Fire Department stated "there was never a thought that this whole thing is coming down" (page 15).

The Emergency Medical Services Division Chief, John  Peruggia, said "No one feared that the building was in any danger as a result of two airplane attacks and subsequent fires . . . ."(page 7).

Firefighter Lieutenant Brendan Whelan said "I never thought the whole thing would come down".

Lieutenant Murray Murad (Bureau of Investigations and Trials) said "no one ever expected it to collapse like that" (page 18).

And of course The firefighters killed in the towers clearly never expected that they would collapse.

And yet, somehow, on 9/11, Mayor Rudy Giuliani knew it would collapse (see this article).

And newly-released tapes of firefighters and other emergency personnel show that New York's Office of Emergency Management told a handful of people that the twin towers were going to collapse BEFORE any building had actually collapsed. For example, a paramedic testified that, before ANY of the world trade center buildings had collapsed, the following occurred:

John came to me and said you need to go find Chief Ganci and relay the following message: that the buildings have been compromised, we need to evacuate, they're going to collapse . . . .

I mentioned to the EMS people there, again, not knowing who they were, I said you need to get away from here, the building might collapse, we need to leave this spot . . .

I said, Steve, where's the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get
out . . . .

He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the f*** told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down”
(page 6)

The above is a slightly edited version of the article from here: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/08/how-did-they-know.html

 (I’ll ignore your obvious and pathetic Appeal to Sympathy argument in that paragraph.) 

How very gracious of you.

Captain Chris Boyle: "Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see." 

It didn't "look right"...so we'll go in? If you thought it was going to collapse you'd go in? (BTW if these people were on-scene all day and highly stressed, I'm sure nothing "looked right" to them).

Since 9/11 truthers are in the youtube generation, please refute the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLDgjYuRHk    

Sure, no problem: he's wrong.

He was probably on-scene all day, stressed out to the max, had already personally experienced two buildings come down that he knew shouldn't have come down, and the operatives were spreading the word that WTC7 was coming down.

On the other hand, Bartmer wasn't on-scene all day. (IIRC he arrived shortly before WTC7 was demolished). Thus he likely wasn't nearly as stressed as the people who were, e.g., the person in the video. He probably hadn't been hearing the warnings that bldg. 7 was coming down. IOW at that point he was probably a far more credible witness.

I hope that clears things up for you.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 532 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 11:09:41 AM
 


I am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.
Roark HowardI am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.

Yawn

Please be very careful here.  You are close to impugning the character of many fine men who gave their lives that day. 

 

The danger of collapse WAS recognized, however, they chose to do their duty.  True, the onset of the actual collapse was unexpected, but then again, so was the actual onset of the WTC 7 collapse. 

 

Once again, you can not change the facts by playing with words. 

by Roark Howard (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 350 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 11:31:08 AM
 


Electrical Engineer
Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

You're giving up already?

 

Please be very careful here.  You are close to impugning the character of many fine men who gave their lives that day.

 

Actually, if anybody is "impuning [their] character" here, that would be you. The implied point that somehow went over your head, is that their "training" obviously couldn't have prepared them to expect to be set up and murdered in cold blood by their own government, by way of a controlled demolition.

The danger of collapse WAS recognized, however, they chose to do their duty.  True, the onset of the actual collapse was unexpected, but then again, so was the actual onset of the WTC 7 collapse.

 

The "onset of the actual collapse was unexpected" ROTFLMAO! Oh, that's actually a new one to me! I gotta tell ya, yer public struggle to avoid anything resembling critical thought, and the inevitable conclusion it leads to, is becoming more amusing all the time! Thanks for that!

 

(BTW, as I've just clearly shown, collapse wasn't even really being seriously considered).

 

Once again, you can not change the facts by playing with words.

 

Ok Mister "onset"...anything you say!

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 532 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 12:15:07 PM
 


DOB -- September 20, 1940. Became active in civil rights and peace movements in 1962. Active in socialist and antiwar movements -- 1963-69. Active in Gay Liberation from 1969 to present.
rhalfhillDOB -- September 20, 1940. Became active in civil rights and peace movements in 1962. Active in socialist and antiwar movements -- 1963-69. Active in Gay Liberation from 1969 to present.

DEMOLISHED IS SLIGHTLY BETTER BUT WORD CHOPPING TIME WAISTIN

   Both demolished and exploded imply that the World Trade Center towers were scattered all over the surrounding streets and city blocks.  When you say the World Trade Center towers were demolished, a picture forms in my mind of giant wrecking balls swinging towards the 110 sterey towers.

   On the other hand, controlled demolition is promoted as a way of making buildings implode in on themselves or collapse as an alternative to both painstakenly demolishing buildings piece by piece or exploding them and causing the buildings to fall all over and devastating the surrounding area.

   I first realized that the U.S. government or a faction within that government let 9/11 happen when I remembered NORAD had been depicted ever since the educational movies I say in elementary school in the 1950's as being on hair trigger alert to respond to attacking planes.  I then realized that it was highly unlikely that the hijacked planes could reach their targets unless the government let them.

   At first, I considered the claim that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by preplanted explosions to be going too far and in the realm of crackpottery.  However, there was a feeling of dissonance in the back of my mind when I saw that pctures of the World Trade Center ruins showed most of the wreckage as piled up on the WTC towers footprints or the areas the towers stood on instead of being strewn all over their surroundings.  After a number of months, I remembered reading articles in the newspaper about buildings in downtown Minneapolis being imploded by controlled demolition to make way for newer buildings.  I remember at the time being surprised that it was possible to remove buildings quickly this way instead of waiting months while they were torn down.  When my mind made the connection between the World Trade Center ruins piled up on the buildings footprints and the buildings in downtown Minneapolis being imploded on their footprints, I realized that controlled demolition was the only way the towers could have been brought down.

   At some point, I selected collapsed as the best word to convey my meaning.  I have already discussed the problems with using the word demolished.  Since collapsed perfectly expresses how buildings implode in on themselves in controlled demolitions, I think collapsed expresses what happened on 9/11 best, although I do not see more than a slight differance resulting from whichever word we use.  There is nothing the 9/11 truth movement cann gain by wasting our time on word chopping.

Robert Halfhill   rhalfhill@juno.com

  

by rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 310 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 8:08:47 PM
 


A 9/11 researcher and activist for over 6 years Adam has studied many aspects of 9/11 and false flag terror in depth. A staunch peace activist and advocate for non-violent civil disobedience Adam is a founding member of We Are Change Los Angeles.
Adam RuffA 9/11 researcher and activist for over 6 years Adam has studied many aspects of 9/11 and false flag terror in depth. A staunch peace activist and advocate for non-violent civil disobedience Adam is a founding member of We Are Change Los Angeles.

"Word chopping" is the key to the debate.

If you believe the towers "fell" due to fire and damage then you should use the term "collapsed" indeed but if you have done the research and know as I do that the towers were blown up then using the term "demolished" is critical to framing the debate into it's proper context.

An excerpt from my article: 

"To accomplish this re-framing we need to consistently use the terms “demolitions” or “demolished” or “brought down with explosives” or “exploded” in all our conversations and eliminate the term “collapsed” from our vocabulary whenever we are discussing 9/11."

Since the towers were demolished we should say so.

by Adam Ruff (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 9:05:40 PM
 


I am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.
Roark HowardI am a bone fide skeptic. I find the glut of nonsense posted on the internet to be particulary annoying. My goal is to explore the realms of stupidity and hold them up for closer inspection. This can be tricky, since stupid evaporates quickly in the light of reason.

NewSpeak

So, in other words, buildings can’t be “demolished” by fire.  A google search of the expression “demolished by fire” yields 6,600 hits. 

 

Trailer homes can’t be “demolished” by tornados, but a google search of the terms “Demolish” and “tornado” yields 574,000 hits. 

 

Playing with words won't change facts.  A "Sanitation Engineer" in a tuxedo still stinks like a garbage man.  

by Roark Howard (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 350 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 7:20:19 AM
 


I am an 9/11 truth activist and researcher. I have been carefully studying 9/11 for over 5 years now and have done a great deal of research about it.
adam ruffI am an 9/11 truth activist and researcher. I have been carefully studying 9/11 for over 5 years now and have done a great deal of research about it.

Lets use google.

A google search using the terms "collapsed due to fire" yields 465,000 hits.

A google search using the terms "collapsed by fire" yields 551,000 hits.  

I rest my case.

by adam ruff (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:25:51 AM
 

 

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