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January 10, 2008 at 16:02:35

Headlined on 1/10/08:
UPDATED Obama-Clinton: remarkable opscan v. handcount results

by Bruce O'Dell

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UPDATED  JANUARY 14, 2007

Correction of EDA’s previously reported statewide anomaly

On January 10, 2008, analysts at the Election Defense Alliance (EDA) reported that based on the official results on the New Hampshire Secretary of state web site, there was a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan v. votes tabulated by hand in a head-to-head contest between the two candidates: 

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Table follows:

 

INCORRECT AS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED:  New Hampshire 2008 Democratic Primary Analysis  (using voting method data as-of November 22, 2007)

CategoryVotesClinton vs. Obama percentage
Clinton:  statewide optical scan tally91,71752.95%
Obama:  statewide optical scan tally81,495 47.05%
 
Clinton: statewide hand-count tally20,889 47.05%
Obama: hand count23,509 52.95%
 

EDA has subsequently learned that the list of hand-count voting districts in New Hampshire that it used in its initial analysis on January 10, 2008 was outdated; shortly after that list was downloaded  a revised list (1) was published by the New Hampshire Secretary of State with fourteen hand-count precincts converted to Diebold optical scan.[1]  

While the actual difference between Obama and Clinton hand count and optical scan margins are not a mirror image of each other to four decimal places as we had initially believed, the undeniable fact is that Obama appears to have carried the hand-counted tally statewide, while Clinton carried the optical scan statewide tally, by almost exactly opposite margins remains a remarkable result.    

Whenever the outcome of an election is strongly correlated with the method of voting – given the well-known vulnerabilities of the specific model of Diebold equipment in use – additional investigation is warranted.  This is especially urgent when the margin between two candidates for ballots counted by hand conforms to the margin between two candidates reflected in  hand-count optical scan vote is so far apart - and the hand count matches the pre-election polling so precisely. Our analysis has continued, and additional findings will be published separately. 

CORRECTED New Hampshire 2008 Democratic Primary Analysis  (using voting method data updated on November 26, 2007)

Head to Head

Clinton v. Obama Pre-election polling

CategoryVotes

Head to Head   Clinton vs. Obama  percentage

Clinton:  statewide optical scan tally95,84352.73%

Real Clear Politics (2)Average[2] 

1/5 – 1/7/08: 

Clinton 43.9%Obama 56.1%

Obama:  statewide optical scan tally85,910 47.27% 
 
Clinton: statewide hand-count tally16,767 46.75% 
Obama: hand count19,097 53.25% 


1 -  Voting method information was downloaded November 22, 2007 but was subsequently updated November 26, 2007. The fourteen locations shown as switching from hand count to optical scan for the 2008 primary were: Carroll County (Moultonborough, Ossipee, Tamworth); Cheshire County (Fitzwilliam); Grafton County (Campton, Plymouth); Hillsborough County (Hillsborough, New Boston); Merrimack County (Newbury); Rockingham County (East Kingston); Strafford County (New Durham); Sullivan County (Claremont Wards 1, 2 and 3).  The net effect was to reduce the hand-count vote and increase the optical scan vote in each county.

2 - See Real Clear Politics for a summary of five public polls from 1/5 to 1/7/08, Obama = 38.3%, Clinton = 30.0%. Head to head percentages were calculated as:  Clinton = 30/(30+38.3) and Obama= 38.2/(30+38.3)

 ORIGINAL ARTICLE FOLLOWS  - see correction above

Analysts at the Election Defense Alliance (EDA) have confirmed that based on the official results on the New Hampshire Secretary of state web site, there is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan v. votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

The percentages appear to be swapped. That seems highly unusual, to say the least.

EDA and others are proceeding with intra and inter-county results and demographic analysis to better understand what this extremely unusual "coincidence" may indicate. The work to understand what really happened in New Hampshire is far from complete.

In the meantime, what are we to make of all this?

On the one hand, everyone has heard of the unanimous verdict of both private and public opinion polls leading up to the New Hampshire primary, showing Obama with about a 10% lead. And a report on Brad Blog today quotes Chris Matthews on "Hardball" who saw a comparable lead for Obama - about 8% - in the media's "unadjusted" New Hampshire exit poll.

On the other hand, it is a fact that the specific models of Diebold op-scan and central tabulators currently in use to count votes in New Hampshire have been proven, by multiple public demonstrations, to be wide-open to insider manipulation through a variety of mechanisms. Some exploits involve computer programs, and others, simple proximity to the central tabulator or precinct scanner.

So there is an undeniable possibility that the optical scan vote in New Hampshire could have been manipulated by insiders at the outsourced companies that run the election there, or by anyone with hand-on access to the voting and tabulating machines.

One recourse might be to recount the paper ballots by hand, but as we saw in Ohio in 2004, in the absence of a secure chain of custody the accuracy of any after-the fact recount of optical scan and hand-count ballots remains problematic - and the clock is ticking.

I've met some of the people who run elections in New Hampshire and I know that they are proud of their state's historic committment to fair elections. When I testified there last year to their State House Subcommitee on Voting Equipment, I advocated New Hampshire adopt the Universal Ballot Sampling hand-count audit protocol, a statistically-robust way of checking the accuracy of optical scan voting and central tabulation systems. If only the state had chosen to implement that simple and universal hand-count audit protocol for the 2008 primary, these lingering questions about the accuracy of the official count could be have been examined independently.

New Hampshire, and most other states still - unbelievably - run their elections with equipment and procedures so open to insider manipulation that they would lead to serious civil or criminal liability if comparable systems were allowed to run, in any bank in America.

If we can't simply return to the best system of voting, hand-counted paper ballots, why can't we at least put in place the capability for an independent citizen-run verification of the accuracy of our computerized voting equipment on election night?

If you have faith that the Diebold equipment is accurate, you are left only with the supposition that many voters in New Hampshire lie to exit pollsters or are secret racists - and the ones who do so also vote on optical scan equipment.

I think New Hampshire is a better state, and we're a better nation than that; and I'd like to know why the people who run our elections think it's acceptable that I can't prove it.

 

Bruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist. His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public companies in America, led a multiple client projects for compliance with new credit card data security standards, and has designed secure "virtual cash" e-commerce protocols. In 2007 he was invited to testify on computer voting security issues to the Texas and New Hampshire legislatures. He lives just outside Minneapolis, Minnesota, and shares a love of good books with his wife - and her beautiful garden, with their talkative cat.

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Christopher LondonEditor & Founder of ManhattanSociety.com, Freelance Photojournalist and attorney

HRC Has the Support of the MIC & Neo-Cons

HRC is a backup option for the NEO-CON'S if they cannot get their preferred Republican candidate into the Oval office. The DLC & Democratic Establishment are pitching the same crowd. Many of the same people who financed BUSH are now financing Hillary. Americans are so naive. The CLINTONS=POLITICAL PROSTITUTES and NOT PROGRESSIVES. The Clintons make good TV and the vast majority of the lower classes in America see the CLINTONS as traditional Democrats trying to help them out, so attacks on them ranks the ire of the LEFT SIDE OF THE BELL CURVE which then rallys to support them. It is called FRAUD. Hillary gets largely FAVORABLE Media Coverage and her campaign has benefitted enormously in the 36 hours preceding her victory and since that time we are being pounded with stories by the MSM that HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN is resurrected. Powerful forces do not want her losing, especially this early in the process, which lends further support to the rationale that VOTING IRREGULARITIES in NH are really what SWUNG that state for HRC.  Americans need to ask themselves why this election cycle in particular, that IOWA & NH, which require "retail politicking" have been under attack for the preferred "National Primary" where voters will rarely get up close to candidates and campaigns can script everything from apperances to advertising and the vote counts will all be done by machines. It is truly like a scene out of the Terminator: The Rise of the Machines and a Totalitarian Society.

by Christopher London (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 5:36:48 PM
 


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Did Diebold keep Hillary Alive???

One explanation I heard for the discrepency is that the hand counts were from smaller districts...so demographics were different. But, in Iowa, Barack did much worse in the rural areas than in the larger cities (I thought all of Iowa war rural, but what do I know!)


Then, I also heard that Barack and Hillary split the undecided vote according to the exit polling, which would run contrary to the theory that it was the large number of undecides that caused the polls to be so far off.

Finally, are there statiticians looking at this? I've never seen a poll where it was plus/minus 6% margin of error. Wouldn't 41,498 verified votes (the hand counted ones) be enough of a sample that the margin of error would be under 5%?  2%?????

Sure seems like there was a wire crossed, and Hillary's name got stuck in front of the Obama aggregate, and visa versa!


by Robert Sargent (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 299 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 5:44:57 PM
 


Bruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist.

His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public compa...

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Bruce O'DellBruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist.

His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public compa...

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Good news is, we have the demographic data already

The possibility that there may be demographic factors related to the NH exit poll discrepancy, and to this latest op-scan v. hand-counted paper discrepancy within the official results, is actually something we can check into. 

Election Defense Alliance has already combined the latest available Census demographics data with the 2008 NH precinct-level results and sent it out to the election integrity community... so that deeper analysis is already underway.  Stay tuned.

by Bruce O'Dell (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 6:02:59 PM
 


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Rev. Robert VinciguerraFounder of "The Rev. Rob Times," (www.revrob.com) Rev. Robert A. Vinciguerra has been a longtime student of journalism. Currently, he holds a government job where is a technical writer, instructional designer, and an IT trainer. From Phoenix, Arizona.

Voice of Reason...

In addition to what you added sir, I would like to point out that not "all" polls had Obama over Clinton by large numbers. The Suffolk/WHDH poll has her down by 1% on the 6th and up by 2% the day before. As Zogby has pointed out, Obama's numbers were simply soft. And, the only reason why he won by so much in Iowa, is because he cheated.

In addition, many of the NH polls that has Obama up by such a large margin didn't take into account the number of independants who ended up voting for McCain instead of Obama.

Thia race won't get too interesting until 2/5, when the majority of primaries will be open to only democrats, or in states with few independants.

by Rev. Robert Vinciguerra (32 articles, 5 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 49 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 8:41:21 PM
 


Bruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist.

His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public compa...

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Bruce O'DellBruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist.

His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public compa...

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Polls, polls and election data

OK. perhaps not "universal".  But it's certainly notable when both candidates' own polling organizations are caught just as flat-footed as prominent national pollsters. The Edison Media Research exit polls, according to Chris Matthews, tracked Obama +8 (before, of course, they were "adjusted" to confirm to the actual results.) 

If you believe (and it is a faith-based decision) in the accuracy of the Diebold-era optical scan equipment in NH, you must also believe that the 40,000 Clinton and Obama voters with hand-counted ballots did not lie to exit pollsters in significant numbers, but the 170,000 voters in locations with op-scan voting did lie to exit pollsters in significant numbers.  I'm not ready to believe that without additional study, and what I've seen so far is disturbing.

If you have evidence Obama cheated in Iowa (where in the absence of op-scan equipment his performance matched polling), you should do what I'm trying to do: lay it out for others to review.

by Bruce O'Dell (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 11:21:07 PM
 


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By your admission and from results, Hillary is unelectable

If Hillary can only win core Democratic votes, if she can't win Independents, then why bother to nominate her, when that's the clearest proof that she's unelectable?

Unless Democrats want to hand this election to McCain or Guiliani!

by Diamond E. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 6:00:46 AM
 


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PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

Exactly the Question - are the Democrats doing the Choosing?

It sounds as though the question at issue is being lost here and it is a compound question:

 Was the New Hampshire primary hacked and if it was, who did the hacking?

It is too tempting to jump to the conclusion that if the results were adjusted in Clinton's favor then Clinton must have been behind it.   In fact the people most likely to adjust the results work for Diebolt and this is well known to be a firm with strong Republican ties.  

Would Republicans favor a Clinton win?  That is for you to decide, but personally I think she is the Democratic candidate who is the top favorite of Republicans. 

by PrMaine (8 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 243 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:45:50 AM
 


I'm a native of New York City who's called the Green Mountain state of Vermont home since the summer of 1994. A former freelance journalist, I'm a fiercely independent freethinker who's highly skeptical of authority figures -- especially when they're on the wrong side of the issues I care about. But I'm not afraid to also call into question those with whom I would usually be "on the same page" if and when they, too, are on the wrong side of the issues I care about.
Skeeter SandersI'm a native of New York City who's called the Green Mountain state of Vermont home since the summer of 1994. A former freelance journalist, I'm a fiercely independent freethinker who's highly skeptical of authority figures -- especially when they're on the wrong side of the issues I care about. But I'm not afraid to also call into question those with whom I would usually be "on the same page" if and when they, too, are on the wrong side of the issues I care about.

Speculation on N.H. Vote Ignores Race, Gender Factors

I, too, had my suspicions about the Diebold optical-scan votng machines used in 55 percent of the precincts in the New Hampshire primary.

But these machines are over 20 years old. They're the same model used in my home state of Vermont and 23 other states. Unlike the more controversial touchscreen machines, optical scanners are dependent on voters properly marking -- by hand -- their choices on their cards. And voters, especially the elderly and vision-impaired, often make mistakes.

I've caught myself making mistakes on my voting card on at least four occasions in the 14 years I've lived in Vermont -- and each time, I've requested, and was granted, a fresh voting card while my spoiled card was discarded. I've never heard of a state with an optical-scan system refusing voters' requests for a replacement ballot card when they've caught themselves making a mistake.

So I'm not willing to buy into the "rigged machine" conspiracy theory -- not with optical-scan machines. We can't dismiss the human-error factor here. 

Nor can we dismiss the "race factor" in the wide discrepancies between the final results and the pre-primary polls. There has been a persistent pattern in many elections where an African American candidate is competing against a white candidate for high office in which white voters lie to pollsters about their feelings about the black candidate.

Remember Tom Bradley? The first black mayor of Los Angeles led in all the pre-election polls when he ran for governor in 1982 -- but lost to George Deukmejian.

And in 2006, Harold Ford led in all the pre-election polls in his bid to become Tennessee's first black U.S. senator -- but he ended up losing to Bob Corker. And Ford is very much like Barack Obama: A candidate who didn't fit the old mold of a black candidate and who had broad appeal with progressive and moderate white voters.

And let's not forget the unprecedented situation of an African American running against a woman for the nation's highest office.  We can't dismiss the "gender gap" either. In fact, it appears that the gender gap reared its ugly head big time in this contest at the very last minute.

Obama made what turned out to be a major tactical blunder in the final pre-primary debate on January 5 when he made a wisecrack to Hillary Clinton that many women who watched the debate took as a sexist insult. Combine that with Clinton's show of emotion on Primary Eve and there was a last-minute sure of support for Clinton from women that came after the pre-polling had ended. 

Women accounted for 56 percent of the vote in the Democratic primary -- and they went overwhelmingly for Clinton, according to the exit polls taken on Primary Day. 

Women sent an unmistakable message to Obama -- and to John Edwards: Don't patronize Clinton because she's a woman. If you do, we'll punish you at the ballot box.  

by Skeeter Sanders (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 5:04:27 AM
 


Bruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist.

His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public compa...

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Bruce O'DellBruce O'Dell is a self-employed information technology consultant with more than twenty five years experience who applies his broad technical expertise to his work as an election integrity activist.

His current consulting practice centers on e-Commerce security and the performance and design of very large-scale computer systems for Fortune 100 clients. He recently spent a year as the chief technical architect in a company-wide security project at one of the top twenty public compa...

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Exclusive focus on voter behaviors ignores machine factors

I would be willing to consider simple voter dynamics as an explanation for what happened in New Hampshire; the problem is that you have to believe the most savvy observers all got those dynamics wrong, not just  in pre-election polls, way the beyond the margin of error, but also exit pollsters - who ask people how they just voted, after all pre-election dynamics have played out. 

The exit polls you refer to, of course, were "adjusted" after the fact to conform to the official tally, as is always done by exit pollsters who accept the official tally as the gold standard.  This adjustment process proceeds throughout election night.  At the start of the evening, according to Chris Matthews, they showed Obama up by 8%.  Throughout the evening, his margin was adjusted downward - simply to keep matching the official results as they came in.  This is a well known (some would say infamous) process, but to turn to the "adjusted" exit polls as a validation of the official tally - when in reality, the official tally has been used to "adjust" the exit polls to their present form - is simply arguing in circles.

People who accept the electronic tally as unquestionably valid (and that is a faith-based decision, by the public, and by pundits and exit pollsters) are left with no choice but to advance a view of voter behaviors that is often at odds with conventional wisdom, if not common sense.  For example, after the fact, one can selectively point to factors which may have motivated Clinton supporters at the last moment.  Obama supporters can also point to strong anecdotal evidence of large, growing and enthusiatic crowds, and had their own dynamics.  Explaining large and unexpected polling anomalies after the fact by appealing to emotional anecdotes has happened before, for example in 2002 in Georgia - even though there were also ample indications there of problems with the electronic tally.  Considering the changes in American society in the last 25 years, invoking the Bradley effect may be an after-the-fact rationalization. 

On the face of it, precinct level data in New Hamsphire and the outcome in Iowa is also consitent with a view that the "Bradley effect" decreases when you count ballots by hand - or stand face to face in a Midwestern caucus.

The problem with "faith-based" electronic voting is that if those systems are compromised, they allow the insiders who successfully evade detection to create a perception of reality in the mind of the media and electorate that becomes self-fulfilling.  If you presume the electronic tally is accurate, then any "adjustment" in exit poll outcomes or rationalization of voter behaviors becomes justified, and even necessary. 

And, in the absence of the kind of statistically valid in-precinct hand count audit of op-scan votes I advocated last year in New Hampshire,   the only indications of successful insider manipulation of voting equipment are public opinion and exit poll anomalies.  My experience in the financial services industry designing countermeasures to computer fraud and embezzlement by insiders makes me less willing than some to simply dismiss those exit poll and opinion poll anomalies.  

Our work continues, and as I mentioned, demographic factors are one focus of our analysis. 

by Bruce O'Dell (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 10:12:28 AM
 


I'm a native of New York City who's called the Green Mountain state of Vermont home since the summer of 1994. A former freelance journalist, I'm a fiercely independent freethinker who's highly skeptical of authority figures -- especially when they're on the wrong side of the issues I care about. But I'm not afraid to also call into question those with whom I would usually be "on the same page" if and when they, too, are on the wrong side of the issues I care about.
Skeeter SandersI'm a native of New York City who's called the Green Mountain state of Vermont home since the summer of 1994. A former freelance journalist, I'm a fiercely independent freethinker who's highly skeptical of authority figures -- especially when they're on the wrong side of the issues I care about. But I'm not afraid to also call into question those with whom I would usually be "on the same page" if and when they, too, are on the wrong side of the issues I care about.

If Machines Are at Fault, You'll Have to Go Back 20 Years

Interesting. At no time in your reply to my post did you dispute the fact that the Diebold optical-scan machines in the New Hampshire primary have been in use for more than 20 years.

Nor did you dispute the fact that these machines -- unlike the more controversial paperless touchscreen machines used in Ohio and other states -- are dependent on the accuracy of voters' marking of their ballot cards, which the machines are programmed to scan. It's the same principle employed by the machines that scan the answer cards of students who take their midterm and final exams.

When scannable voting cards are marked, they are every bit as prone to errors by voters as the now-infamous punch cards used by voters in Florida in 2000 -- and the error rate increases exponentially with voters over 60 years of age.

If you're going to come up with evidence that these machines were rigged, then you're going to have to review the results of EVERY election in New Hampshire since the mahcines were introduced in 1986.

 

by Skeeter Sanders (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments) on Monday, January 14, 2008 at 1:29:52 AM
 


JUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.
RICHARD SHADEJUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.

VOTER FRAUD

IF THERE IS OR WAS VOTER FRAUD WHAT GOOD DOSE IT DO TO TALK IT DEATH, NOBODY HERE IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, MIGHT AS WELL TALK ABOUT THE WEATHER WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT EITHER. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO REALIZE THAT AS CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WE DON'T COUNT ANYMORE IN THE EYES OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

A QUOTE

WE ARE FAST APPROACHING THE STAGE OF THE ULTIMATE INVERSION; THE STAGE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IS FREE TO DO ANYTHING IT PLEASES, WHILE THE CITIZENS MAY ACT BY PERMISSION; WHICH IS THE STAGE OF DARKEST PERIODS OF HISTORY, THE STAGEW OF RULE BY BRUTE FORCE.

RYN RAND "THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT"

IS THERE ANY SIGNS OF THIS HAPPENING? YOU BE THE JUDGE.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 459 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 5:18:36 AM
 


A Bleeding heart liberal from California
Bleeding Heart LiberalA Bleeding heart liberal from California

Focus on anomalies

From a couple of comments on Brad Blog

 

... analyst said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:21 am PT...


... TruthIsAll said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:14 pm PT...

Brad, the coincidence is even greater than that. The numbers match to within .0001% !

Optical Scan
Clinton 91,717 52.9507%
Obama 81,495 47.0493%
Total 173,212

Hand Counted
Clinton 20,889 47.0494%
Obama 23,509 52.9506%
Total 44,398
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To me this implies that the entire vote counting was/is a sham --- the vote numbers appear to have been totally fabricated (a figment of somebodies very creative mind!)

Couple this with the Ron Paul "Sutton" affair. There, 31 votes for Ron Paul appeared from nowhere. Let me elaborate suppose a 1000 votes were cast in Sutton So the totals reported would have been 1000 votes with Ron Paul getting 0 votes. Now that his votes were corrected to 31 votes --- did the total vote count sum to 1000 or 1031 --- where did these 31 votes come from?


COMMENT #121 [Permalink]
... analyst said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:30 am PT...


The implication of my previous comment is that it is not that easy to change and fabricate numbers without being caught. THe totals should match up with the number of voters that came in to vote. I am presuming that that record is kept seperately. If the totals do not match up, then the vote counts are suspect as I believe happened in Sutton


 

 

by Bleeding Heart Liberal (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 9:56:16 AM
 


Attorney
David MillsAttorney

Sure hope your article gets some traction on the internet

So far very little mention on DU and nothing on DKos.

This is extremely important evidence of fraud, especially when TIA says the inversions are identical to within .0001%. And you can't split a human in half to make it a perfect inversion.

At some point you just have to say, this is no coincidence.

 

 

 

by David Mills (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 25 comments) on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 10:24:42 AM