Tags for This Article:

2008 Elections (2414)  2008 Election Presidential (1305)  Neocons-PNAC (1162)  2008 Election Presidential Primary (1042)  Neocon Failures (514)  2008 Presidential Debates (348) 

Populum Tag Cloud
       Control Panel
Fine tune your search to access content
Articles
Diaries Products
Events All
All time
Last 6 mos
Last month
Last week
Last 24 hrs
From:
Month  Day   Year

To:
Month  Day   Year
Alphabet
Popularity
Count ON
Count OFF
This Level
Sub-levels

 

 

 

Tag(s): ; ; ; ; ;
Add to My Group
May 18, 2007 at 07:35:48

Headlined on 5/18/07:
PAUL vs. GIULIANI: BATTLING FOR AMERICA'S SOUL

by Alex Wallenwein     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

www.opednews.com

 

Tell A Friend

View Ratings | Rate It  

The coming US presidential election will decide whether the United States remains an independent nation, or whether it will be subsumed under a western hemispheric version of supra-regional arrangements exemplified by the European Union.

The battle lines have never been more clearly drawn than in Ron Paul’s exchange with ex-NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani during the South Carolina GOP Primary Debate on May 15, 2007, and the follow-up blogosphere ruckus that can only be labeled as a political feeding frenzy.

What is not yet clear, however, is exactly who is doing the feeding - and who is the bait.

The Exchange:

On YouTube videos of the debate, you can see Ron Paul was answering a question about his views on foreign policy when Giuliani interrupts and berates him for arguing that 911 occurred at least in part because the US has been meddling in middle eastern affairs for too long and has “been bombing Iraq for ten years.” Rudy gets a little hot under the collar, states he has “never heard of such a thing” and demands an apology from Paul to the American people. Ron Paul calmly stands his ground and continues to explain his non-interventionist policy stance.

The Aftermath:

After the debate, Ron Paul appears as a guest on Fox News’ Hannity and Colmes show. Hannity goes wild on Paul and Paul again refuses to back down, but can’t hardly get a word in sideways between Hannity’s irate rants.

The following day, Paul is interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN and is asked whether he will take the opportunity to back away from his statements. Ron Paul retorts that it is Rudy Giuliani who needs to apologize to him for unjustifiably blowing his top on him and insinuating that he is “un-American”. Ron affirms that he is indeed an American because Americans have the right to disagree with bad policy, and America’s foreign interventionism in the middle east is bad policy and therefore can and should be challenged.

The Fissure:

In saying this, Ron Paul has opened a fissure, a festering sore in the American psyche, a sore that has been festering ever since neocon radio took over the AM airwaves. Ever since 9-11, AM radio talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck, have inundated Americans hoping to listen to conservative news commentary with the un-American notion that, if you disagree with president Bush on Iraq, you are either a wild-eyed liberal, a traitor to the American cause, or both. Only a few, like Mike Savage, have withstood the temptation to join that cacophony.

The Question:

The question is: Whom will American conservatives listen to - in the end?

The chances of Ron Paul maintaining his early gains in popularity after this Giuliani exchange are becoming somewhat iffy when heavy conservative guns such as Human Events Online offer a rundown of commentaries by what are widely regarded as conservative pundits depicting Paul as a tin foil hat-wearing, out of this world nut-job.

The answer to this question will forecast the future course of this nation with deadly precision.

The Answer:


In his CNN interview by Wolf Blitzer, Ron Paul demonstrated his presidential leadership credentials for all to see and hear. He confirmed that he in no way is “weak on defense” or anything of the sort. He explained that he actually voted for giving president Bush authority to go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan and maintains Bush should have stuck to that goal..

His very pointed - and subsequently universally ignored - criticism of Bush’s policy is, however, that the administration completely forgot about Bin Laden, allowed him to hide out in Pakistan which is supposed to be our “ally”, and instead attacked Iraq, which we by now know had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks on 911.

 1  |  2

 

www.ronpaul.meetup.com/24

Alex Wallenwein, J.D., is a former attorney in Houston, Texas, and a grass-roots activist for the rule of law and American liberty. He organizes the Houston 4 Ron Paul 2008 Meetup.

Contact Author
Contact Editor
View Other Articles by Author

 

Bookmark this page: (what's this?)

NETSCAPE      DIGG THIS      Add This Page to Mr Wong!           NEWSVINE      DEl.ICIO.US      Looksmart Furl      My Web      Tag!RawSugar      Blink List     (More...)
Comments: Expand   Shrink   Hide  
13 comments

Average American, Husband and father of three, Former Marine .Current Ron Paul 2008 supporter.
Eyes Wide OpenAverage American, Husband and father of three, Former Marine .Current Ron Paul 2008 supporter.

Outstanding piece!

Dear Sir,
Your article nearly brought a tear to my eye. I too am a proud tin foil hat wearing member. lol. Thank you for posting such an inspiring piece.
Stephen Dupont

by Eyes Wide Open (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 7:55:13 AM
 


electronic technician, truth seeker
Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Conservative Vote

I don't like labels such as conservative or liberal.

But..... most people would label me conservative.

This is one conservative who won't vote for Giuliani, and one conservative

that believes the Iraq war and Bush are an abomination to anyone with

a little bit of common sense.

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 937 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 8:01:47 AM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Repeating my comment here on the similar articles

 

America, America.. from sea to shining sea

is  a bad song,  bad verses too. But it reflects the approach correctly: many of our people  associate themselves with unlimited power  'from sea to shining sea' as well as 'unlimited goodness'. That approach deserved a repercussion, a sobering blow by the world and that what happened. In sorts, the death of innocent people, the victims was the result of the horrible  lack of moral guidance by the rulers  of this country as well as their criminal negligence when before or after the event occured. We should have  tried and jailed the  ones who  negligibly brought to this- Bush, Cheney, Condi, Clinton, many others. We should have accused them of  abusing their position of power and neglecting their responsiblities thus putting the nation at mortal danger. We should have cleaned our stables.

Because  the event had shown to us that we are helpless, that we cannot even punish those of ours who neglected us we in our frustration  gave even more power to them, to cover our asses. They then  went on a mad rampage  killing more and more people and thus endangering us even more. That is the INCONVENIENT TRUTH. And that's why  Guiliani scowls an Ron Paul like a guilty toddler who knows the truth but cannot handle it. YES, we here in the US cannot handle  a simple truth- that our own betrayed us, that the danger to us came not from some rogue group but as a result of the actions of the people who are like us, similar to us, live with us and claim to be us.

by Mark Sashine (53 articles, 19 quicklinks, 250 diaries, 3574 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 9:04:35 AM
 


electronic technician, truth seeker
Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Absolutely

The enemy is within.

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 937 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 9:26:55 AM
 


Just a Ron Paul man!
Bart GossJust a Ron Paul man!

Another Excellent Article

Thanks for such a great article! You are right on it!!

Bart

by Bart Goss (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 12:27:35 PM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

the gap

The gap between conservative and liberal -- right and left is real, and there is much I strongly disagree with about conservatism (and some things about liberalism too). As for Paul, I won't vote for him, that he is a still a Republican among the reasons.

But the struggle here is not between left and right, but between true conservatism and the crazy neocons and fascists who have stolen the word and taken over the Republican party. What the high ratings for Paul in the polls show is that there is still legitimate conservatism out there -- if it could be swept up off the floor and assembed into coherent policy and honest statement of conservatism.

I'm left, and I will argue against Paul, but I will not attack him with smear, lies, and derisive attack dogs -- that's what the current "right" is doing. And I think most of the left will do likewise. Even if Paul did get the nomination I don't see him winning; most people are sick of Republicans and will not elect a Republican simply because they don't wnat the party validated or strenghtened after what they have done -- and also because he will be opposed by Republican gangsters who consider him a traitor, mostly because he is authentic. He may be wrong about many things he believes, but he is honest about what he believes. What he will not last long enough to succumb reasonable argument from liberals, but be taken out by being stabbed in the back by the Republicans in his own party (and the corporate media).

Truth tellers about Iraq in the Democratic party will suffer a parallel fate. Neither of the two major parties can stand the light of the truth about Iraq and the fascist gangsters behind the coup of the nation.

 

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 997 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 1:30:59 PM
 


79,GWU classmate of Jackie Bouvier-1953,WWII&Korea vet,RPH UConn,lived AK 20years,organic farming Maine now
nelswight79,GWU classmate of Jackie Bouvier-1953,WWII&Korea vet,RPH UConn,lived AK 20years,organic farming Maine now

Ron vs Julie Annie

One helluva fine article in OpEdNews.
Doesn't it seem unbelievable that someone like Ron with consummate cojones was able to be heard in America today on Fox?
WOW!
Wish I were closer to TX, but I'll do what I can from here, Belfast, Maine.
Have known Congressman Paul only since last December when I had breakfast with him in SFO, but seems like I've known him forever.
Retired RPh, wife Ola, 6 kids y mucho nietos.
Nels Wight, 78, former classmate of Jackie Bouvier (Kennedy-Onassis) GWU '53
nels.wight@gmail.com

by nelswight (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 2:21:35 PM
 


I have lived in Thailand for 25 years where I run an IT and a Real Estate company. I write articles for various magazines and blogs on a variety of topics. Nearly 4,000 subscribers around the world currently subscribe to my newsletters on property and IT. I am an atheist and a realist.
MarcHoltI have lived in Thailand for 25 years where I run an IT and a Real Estate company. I write articles for various magazines and blogs on a variety of topics. Nearly 4,000 subscribers around the world currently subscribe to my newsletters on property and IT. I am an atheist and a realist.

PAUL vs. GIULIANI: BATTLING FOR AMERICA'S SOUL

You get the government you deserve, and the American people were too apathetic before to bother to think. Let's hope this is changing...but I wouldn't bet on it.

While you are all wringing your hands over Ron Paul, you are missing another candidate who is worth supporting: Mike Gravel

At the next election, please don't forget that the USA is part of a much larger entity...the rest of the world. We have no control over your decisions, but we are affected by them just the same. Instead of thinking only about your concerns, think about the rest of the world in relation to yours as well. The rest of the world can't survive another four years of more Neocon bullshit!

 

by MarcHolt (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 4:59:30 PM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

what we get

in the next election may depend on how honest that election will be -- and it as it looks now it may well be those who control the machinery who will decide.

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 997 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 5:40:44 PM
 


Bill Cain is a professional travel photo-journalist who writes primarily for the Concord Monitor in Concord, New Hampshire. He's visited all seven continents, countless countries and his travel experiences have contributed to and are reflected in his world views.
Bill CainBill Cain is a professional travel photo-journalist who writes primarily for the Concord Monitor in Concord, New Hampshire. He's visited all seven continents, countless countries and his travel experiences have contributed to and are reflected in his world views.

Ron Paul

Anyone who is savvy enough to understand how presidential candidates are either groomed or ignored (as in the case of Dennis Kucinich) by the controlled media, will understand that Ron Paul will suffer the same fate as  Kucinich did four years ago unless he decides to throw caution to the wind and tell the ENTIRE TRUTH.

He should understand this by now - that if he wants the job, he has to take enormous risks.

by Bill Cain (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 320 comments) on Friday, May 18, 2007 at 10:08:07 PM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

Oh dear...

Here's that pesky Kurt Nimmo spilling beans again:

Educating Ron Paul  or at his own site , Another Day in the Empire.

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 997 comments) on Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 2:10:48 AM
 


Ron Paul supporter, professional drummer, Constitutional Republican.
skydrummerRon Paul supporter, professional drummer, Constitutional Republican.

Good job!

Great article, Alex.  Thank you for taking the time to write it.

 sky

by skydrummer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 2:42:44 PM
 

 

13 comments

 

Tell A Friend

 


Copyright © OpEdNews, 2002-2008

Blog Ads

 

 

 

 

Most Popular Articles
in the Last 2 Days
(by Recommend Emails)

Keith Olbermann Broke Up With Me! by Shannyn Moore

Children dying in Haiti, victims of food crisis exacerbated by four devastating tropical storms Posted by Stephen Fox

Study Confirms Genetically Modified Crops Threaten Human Fertility and Health Safety Posted by sadelaine

Surviving an Economic Crash: Resources and Tips by Kathryn Smith

Home Depot Founder: Retailers Who Don't Support GOP "Should Be Shot" Posted by Joan Brunwasser

SO SAY THE BANKERS: Learn to Love the 'AMERO' by Patrick Henningsen

A Turkey By Any Other Name--Is Still the Governor of Alaska by Brasch

Congress Opposes Bush Pardons by David Swanson

Fate of Lakotahs Highlights America's Failed Native American Policies by Stephen Lendman

Senate testimony by police captain reveals 9 sticks of missing dynamite in 'Omaha Two' bombing case by Michael Richardson

Go To Top 50 Most Popular