by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:06:49 AM

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and yet so many have not heard it at all. We only fail if we stay silent and do nothing about transgression after becoming aware of it. 

There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." - Elie Wiesel

"History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transformation was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Who can enjoy enlightenment and remain indifferent to suffering in the world? This is not in keeping with the Way. Only those who increase their service along with their understanding can be called men and women of Tao - Lao Tzu

by CasaZaza (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 202 comments [15 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:00:47 AM

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"There comes a time in all of our lives when silence is a betrayal"

 -- Martin Luther King 
 
"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket."
-- Major General Smedley Darling Butler, USMC, 1881-1940

"It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts ... For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it."
-- Patrick Henry, 1736-1799, American attorney, orator, revolutionary.
 
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."
-- Thomas Paine

"We only see what we know."
-- Johan Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."
-- Edward Abbey

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.”
-- Plato

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke

"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
-- Paul Wellstone

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com

-Support the 9/11 Family Members & 9/11 First Responders
-Ask Questions, Demand Answers
-Call for a 9/11 Criminal Investigation

by Betsy (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:02:00 PM

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You mentioned War Is A Racket by  Major General Smedley Butler

Another elucidative book I enjoyed was  

Pawns In In The Game by William Guy Carr

by CasaZaza (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 202 comments [15 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:47:42 PM

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Largely in favor!

by Kahnaya Wasahtoha (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 28 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:51:56 AM

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To whom is this being presented?  What is the mechanism / procedure / entity which would carry out:

- impeachment?  Not our oath of office breaking, blackmailed / criminally complicit congressional misrepresentatives;

- an international 9/11 investigation?  Who will conduct this?  Is anyone being asked to do so?  What will be the result?  'Forgiveness' a la Truth and Reconciliation?

- military withdrawal?  Who will call for this?  Our current dictator?  The next selected White House occupant?

- international prohibition of war?  Who will call for this?  Preemptive war is already 'illegal.'  Who stopped us?  Were sanctions, reserved for others who violate international law, imposed upon us?

- criminalization of the exportation of weapons?  Who will criminalize this?  Who will enforce this? 

- prohibition of torture?  Already prohibited by the Geneva Conventions which we are bound to.  Who is stopping us? Who is requiring that we uphold the law?  Are we holding this President and its Administration to the rule of law?  How many more times do we need to get whacked in the face by these lawbreakers, and have their lawbreaking endorsed by our judiciary and our congress.  One time was too many.

We need to organize and have a plan instead of continuing to send outraged and soulful lamentations into cyberspace.  Oh, is that the clank, clank of the paddy wagon pulling up to sieze my assets and jail me for thought crimes?  Land of the free, home of the brave. 

by Susan Guest (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 91 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:26:24 AM

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Don't we always hear if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear? Nicely thought out posting,again.

Tired of being quiet stand up on 3-19-08 and be part of the change.

As for me I've had about enough! 

by tjb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 255 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:32:53 AM

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Well put Ms. Guest. 

While I agree that if we are to stand up to this despotic abuse of authority plaguing our country it is imperative we come up with a tangible plan in doing so. However, until such time we must continue on with our wailing. The Internet is the only viable means of conveying the message of Truth. No longer can we rely on our reticent and complicit corpstream media. They could care less about Truth.   

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."  Galileo

by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:23:55 PM

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The US has proven that it is corrupt, broken, and has abandoned the rule of law.  Many of us in the US are in favor of the International Community investigating 9/11 and it would be nice if they did more.

Formally condemn Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld or any of the other orchestrators of the Iraq war and new pearl harbor. Draft charges against them and should they ever be caught on your countries soil, arrest them immediately and try them for war crimes, the deaths of Iraqi's the destruction of a nation for perpetuating a culture of fear and for crimes against humanity.  Punish them accordingly for the crimes they have committed.

We in the US have proven that we are completely unable to investigate (let alone try and convict) the criminals responsible for 9/11 and the launching of illegal wars of aggression.  We have been completely inept at investigating their wrong doings, no impeachment trial has begun, BushCo has stood defiantly against the checks and balances of the founding fathers of our country and it appears that many in Congress may be accomplices to their crimes, sanctioning the crimes after they have been committed, and passing laws in support of the heinous actions of our country.

Every United States citizen is guilty of allowing the war machine to be built, of being ignorant to the size of our military empire and of continuing the reign of terror throughout the world in our names.  We have become zombies and powerless to stop our corrupt leaders.

We need the rest of the world to rise up, to not only verbally condemn our national leaders, but to file charges against the perpetrators.  File war crimes charges against the US.  Demand that we leave Iraq and that we close the Empire around the globe, kick our military out of your countries and send us home.  

These crimes need to be investigated and condemned sweepingly by all nations, and when these criminals step foot on international soil, they should be held accountable, arrested and tried for their crimes.

Condemn the actions of our country, demand that we withdraw from Iraq, demand that we reduce our military budget and become a lawful society or face international sanctions.  Demand that we cooperate with the International community and stop standing as a rogue nation. Hold the US accountable.

Shine a light on the US empire, ask us to leave your countries, tell us to put our own house in order and to stop terrorizing the world, the American people have become so ignorant of the crimes of our nation we need the international communities help. 

We need more than an investigation by the International Community, we need them to tell our leaders that our day as an Empire has come to an end.

We need to pay the Iraqi people reparations, at least we should be honest enough to admit that we destroyed their nation and take some responsibility in rebuilding it.  We are responsible for killing over a million Iraqi's, how do you ever justify that?

The world is responsible for making sure that it never happens again, the US has proven itself to be the biggest terrorist nation on the planet.  We perpetuate fear and destruction, launch illegal wars and if we don't like the public opinion we flush it down the rabbit hole.  It doesn't change the fact that the US has a long history of being the World Aggressor and we have not been held responsible.

Call to the world - Hold the US responsible for their crimes.  Take actions in your nations, file charges and demand the US reduce it's Empire. 

by August Adams (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 585 comments [11 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:46:56 PM

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That was extremely well put. We DO need the help of the international community, now that we have proved ourself so incapable of response to what our own government is doing . . . to us as well as to the rest of the world.

by Irvthom (7 articles, 2 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 91 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:54:32 PM

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It's possible, Mr. Adams, that the 'international community' is waiting for we, the citizens of this country, to prove to them that we are against what our country is doing in our name, what we are letting them do...because we sure aren't stopping them.

If we don't, that we haven't, is perceived by the world that we WANT what is happening.  Isn't the world's greatest democracy following the will of the people?

It's not?  Well, stamp my foot, smirk and talk down, and extoll, 'just try and stop me!!  If you don't pass this legislation there will be another attack!!'

We are the laughingstock of the world. 

by Susan Guest (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 91 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:15:44 PM

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I'd bet that the number of people in the U.S. that actually see, acknowledge and fully appreciate our predicament for what it is...is around 1 to 2%. Many friends and family members I talk to seem to get very uncomfortable, even angry, when I start talking about the situation we're in, and they almost always try to change the subject immediately. It seems almost as if we're fighting some kind of mass mental illness more than anything else.

At this point, I've come to feel frustration like "John Nada" (Roddy Piper) appears to feel in the movie "They Live".

Anyway, I hate to sound pessimistic, but at this late hour, with these kinds of poor numbers, I don't think that there's a lot that can be done. (Although I must say that, as a matter of pure desperation, I did come up with one or two really, really far out, in fact maybe "loony" ideas I may post some time).

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:56:43 PM

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And the people of the US have proven to be completely powerless to stop their rogue nation and the madmen that are running it.  There is no impeachment investigation, the Executive branch has trashed the constitution and operated outside the rule of law. 

Ultimately International Aggressors are not stopped by their own citizens, they are stopped by other nations.  

It is not just the responsibility of the US to condemn our government. The actions of our government violate international law.  Charges should be filed against this country and we should be paying war reparations to the nation we invaded, a nation that posed us no threat, a nation that was sanctioned by the international community.

Our nation is being manipulated by our government, if our people cannot see it - maybe those in other nations can.

We are not the most important people on the planet.  We are people on a planet of billions - and our criminal empire, our perpetual war machine, should be condemned by all - in the US and from the International community.

By your logic, no one would have stood up to the Nazi's - they were not stopped from within. 

Aggressor nations often have to be stopped by an International effort of other nations.  I stand by my words.

by August Adams (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 585 comments [11 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:20:47 PM

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WHO is coming up with this tangible plan?  When?  What?

by Susan Guest (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 91 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:44:06 PM

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by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:03:37 PM

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CAN'T MAKE ANY PLANS BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU, HR I955 WILL STOP ALL AND EVERYONE WHO COMES UP WITH A PLAN.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:11:18 AM

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It's time for the Europeasants living in the NATO vassal states to tell their quisling rulers where to stick it. Were it not for all the sycophants and dupes willing to serve the Empire (including those in Europe), we likely wouldn't be in this mess right now. 

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:10:20 PM

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Gordon Brown promised a referendum on the European treaty but what happened?
Blair's squashing of the BAE bribery scandal has been opened up with a law suit, thank god we have a few independent judges.
But we have almost the same problems with the freedom of information act here too, the establishment is running the show and the politicians are the front men.
And I hear in Holland they are implementing the real ID with the chip that can be tracked wherever you go, as a first try to get it into law, then the rest of us.
And they are trying for 56 days detention without charge, after they wanted 90 and only got 28. who would be a Muslim in this country? Profiling of any middle eastern looking person is rampant here. Do we have time, as the French tried to indict Rumsfield and he had to slip away into the embassy? I doubt it, people are under attack all over, its just so blatant in Amerika.

by ibrahim turner (26 articles, 32 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 184 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:36:39 PM

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Shortly they will try and institute the real ID here as well.  Then it will be a simple matter of restricting privileges or denying access to those not carrying the mark.

STAND UP EVERYBODY AND SAY NO

I alone retain complete and utter sovereignty over my life - no one gave me my freedom, and no one is going to take it from me. I refuse to carry RFID tracking devices, biometric implants, or whatever else you want to use to restrict and monitor my life. I will not let you degrade and humiliate me at airports, roadside checks, random searches, or whatever else you concoct to try and subjugate us with in the name of your bullshit war on terror. I reject your new world order and the idiot box TV it rode in on.

by CasaZaza (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 202 comments [15 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:02:50 PM

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It is up to every American to do their homework and become educated in the events of 911. The information is all out there; if you have a computer, it's all there. Type in 911 truth in a search engine or YouTube. Don't expect the government or it's propaganda machine the MSM to do the work for you. I've done my homework and say beyond a doubt 911 was an Inside Job. Will we ever get a new investigation? No, not until enough people wake up, march on Washington; tens of thousands; not a few hundred and start screaming and demanding we have a fresh-honest-transparent 911 Investigation. America is being desroyed by design; it's up to each of us to look within ourselves and ask: What have I done to help save my country.

by ronheri (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 256 comments [45 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:25:29 PM

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involved in the current conspircy to subvert their own Constitutional Republics and form the New World Order. They are the U S, Great Britain and Israel. To find out how, read Machiavelli's "The Prince" and Orwell's       "1984". This was a dream of the Great Britain elites in the late 1800's and bled over to the U S in the first decade of the 20th century. It was actually part of the public debate in the 1930's and 1940's when books aplenty were written by the establishment intellectuals to influence public opinion to support the NWO, including numerous quotes from high public officials that the U S Constitution has become obsolete. However, not wanting to lose their sovereignty, the resistance was insurmountable. The cold war put the New World Order on the back burner until the fall of the USSR in 1991. Planning to get the NWO back on track officially begain in 1992 with the Defense Planning Guide written by our current Ambassador to Iraq (Zalmay Kalizad, I believe is the name). With some "terror" practice runs in New York in 1993 and OKC in 1995, the plan went full throttle with the appointment of puppet Bush to the White House in 2000 and the NWO movement has hit an inflection point with the 9/11 false flag terror and now is obvious for the whole world to see exactly what is going on.  "If you want to know what the future looks like, imagine a boot stamping on your face forever"-Orwell 1984.

by Mark Watterson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 207 comments [133 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:33:33 PM

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So what you're saying is they'd love to change the world ? 

For many this video may be too far out! However, it was once a sign of the times, there was a thriving peace movemnet with Bell Bottom Blues and girls dancin with flowers in their hair. It was a really groovy time. We need to repeat those times, now! A time for peace and love, a time to end these senseless F' n wars and reclaim some semblance, some sanity in this country. A time to Carry On.

by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:17:31 PM

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Unbridled capitalism renders peace impossible.

by Mark Watterson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 207 comments [133 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:42:13 PM

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The founding fathers were prominent British families which had an agreement with the British crown to be sold vast tracts of land to develop and repay from the profits.  Slaves were grabbed in Africa and the vicious circle began. The colony would provide money for the British military to grab more and more countries to colonize, the plan broke down when the " founding fathers " reneged on the deal knowing without their support Britain was powerless.

 Why Americans revere these people beats me but they do which just shows the power of a flawed education system.

by douglas kay (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 83 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:28:41 AM

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In any system of government, look at the aspect of such that you fear to speak of most and there's your tyrant.

Evidently the Internal Revenue Service has more power than God, and certainly qualifies as that tyranical element of the government that people most fear.

Tryants have a way of making people do immoral things. The unavoidalbe reality even for hard core pacifists is, by not witholding that portion of your tax burden which is earmarked for military expenditures you are as guilty of ending lives as any US trigger puller in Iraq. It is not abstract, it is reality.

There are no provisions in any theological text which exempts the United States population from having to adhere to its tenents...Killing is murder, period. And while promoted ad nauseam as being the gospel, Deity is not on our side.

Now I have no problem with peace loving passifists as they serve as a good check for balance...however, the question that you have to ask yourself as an committed moralist is;

Are you moral enough to not pay your your full tax load?

by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 193 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:37:28 PM

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How can you withhold taxes? First the IRS places a lien on your property then they seize your bank accounts then garnish your wages. Unless you own a cash-only business you're out of luck!

by camanokat (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 81 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:46:35 PM

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"A fundamental problem is that "we" are still a tiny minority."

Harry finally gets it right and he didn't even use a LOL or ROFLMAO.  You are a minority, although I wouldn't know your percentage of the total population (per company or globe).  That being the case, I trust you're periodically reflecting your beliefs and checking them for your motives.  Others (aka the majority) would say that yours is a case of, "I'm not crazy; it's all of you who are nutters!"

While the article is inspirational, it's far too utopian for the human world.  An essentially black and white world is presented without any shades of grey.  Such purists approaches (e.g., Prohibition) or societies (e.g., People's Temple) have been tried previously with little sustained success.  A common denominator of these types of worlds is their inherent lack of tolerance.  The same of which is seen throughout the article.

The four demands are so unilateral and, therefore, untenable that you might as well add as (5) "You want the letter "M" stricken from the English alphabet".  A more realistic approach would look for opening a dialogue between the differing parties that would establish common ground rules, objectives and goals for the discussions.  The "activist" approach may seem sexy, daring, and filled with delicious defiance, but at it core, this course represents bitter division.

Then again, perhaps this is the goal of the Movement - to dissolve the Union.  It's been tried before - most notably by a number of Southern states and more recently by some silly natives of Vermont.  I cannot say I wish the Movement well because I don't.  I believe that the Movement is pursuing a political agenda that's largely exclusionary and wrapped in a mock morality that drips insincerity. 

I also believe that the great majority of the people either see or sense this insincerity and respond to its insistence with a matched rejection of it.  Thus, we see the reasoning for the observed anger by Harry's friends and families and the extreme minority of this Movement.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:41:53 PM

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Obviously not many people have the propitious combination of intelligence, open-mindedness and moral competence, as we generally do, necessary to see through the smoke and mirrors that so confound the less fortunate masses, e.g., people like you Tom. How does the saying go? "There's a soldier born every minute", or something like that?

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:42:52 PM

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"propitious combination of intelligence, open-mindedness and moral competence"

Yes, Harry, I admit that these are gifts that I must bear, although it may be a lonely road...  How was that for being pompously arrogant?

And to my dear friend, München, living in NH for me is far too close to living to ignorance what with VT only a hope, skip, and a jump.  Those folks are politically half-baked and proud (too often) to display and revel in their ignorance.  Such a people display far too little sensibility for me to what to associate with them.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:38:42 AM

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by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:04:08 PM

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 Try all the dip craps in Washington for war crimes. There is a saying when all of every thing fails what remains? (REBELLION) what else is their. Rebellions are what they fear. this happened in Europe along time ago.the peoblem here is that most americans dont care about their freedom. they take it for granted that all is well, and there government will take care of them. boy what bull-crap. i dont want to live in a dictatorship. i fought for tis country in vietnam. and gave them 25 years of my life. i will die before i give up to these tyrants. maybe they should all be caught and put before a firing squad. this would be pure justice for all we the people. washington has lost there minds.its time for what ever people beleave in justice to act in america. take care of your own problem. dont ask others in the world to solve your problems for you.

by vincent passiatore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 185 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:12:46 PM

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Do you pay your full tax burden? If yes, you are no less complicit in the death of America's enemies than the soldier pulling the trigger.

Are you moral enough to go toe to toe with the IRS?

by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 193 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:26:33 AM

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I think it was obvious only a few days after September 11 2001 that the events of that day couldn't have been as the media told it, why? because the story breaks too many rules, it doesn't add up. From previous events of fires in steel buildings they usually burn for days and still remain standing. But on 9/11 not one but three buildings collapsed in almost free fall time, are you kidding, three buildings which caught fire fell in free fall time. Do people actually believe this nonsense out of patriotism or just plain stupidity, I don't know the answer to that but I do know that the buildings were blown as in controlled demolition.

 Then we come to the 757 which was supposed to have flown into the Pentagon, not only did it fly round to the back when it could have simply crossed the river and hit the building but it made a hole so minuscule that even the most simple minded should see through the scam.

  Let's face it the neocons were hell bent on an invasion in an effort to secure oil supplies, a plan so silly it is almost laughable, and the people who " engineered " it were mostly university educated. These nutcases didn't realise that regardless of the OPEC demands oil would not have increased four fold in 8 years but if they had bothered to ask, most sensible people would have tried to control the price by negotiation as a customer. Of course there's the military arms complex to consider. As a 25 year veteran of the British army I can tell you that war for most Squaddies is why the reason they join and coupled with a massive arms industry the Uk's first option will always be war. The USA with it's even more dependence on the arms industry has a very good reason, in the minds of the neocons, to use force to try to get their way.

 Just like Hitlers Reich stag 9/11 was Bush's false flag, it couldn't be otherwise unless physics has changed in the last 8 years.

by douglas kay (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 83 comments) on Monday, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:06:38 AM

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